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6 hours ago, yukiyukiku said:
Thank you
Careful... You might hate ZWJ if you read the novel. ZM is much more enchanting in the novel.
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9 minutes ago, jackieusa said:
Those of you who are able to move on from this drama. Are you starting any new drama(s)? Are there any good drama(s) you guys can recommend, new or fairly old one? I want to start once I'm manage to move on.
I still haven't found new wuxia/classic chiness drama to replace HSDS. Yukee and Joseph chemistry is very strong in my heart i just see new shows OTP and found them quite meh...
Currently watching game of thrones but only 2 eps left so i don't know what to do if it ends too.
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57 minutes ago, kimmortal said:
Thank you so much for this. I also took forever to finish reading the subtitles. He said he auditioned for Legend of the Condor Heroes 2016 back then—interesting! He really is a fan of Jin Yong’s works. I think he’s very handsome and suave so I’m glad in the end he got chosen to be Zhang Wuji, who gets more mature, romantic scenes. I really like how humble he sounds and how serious he is about his art.
Yes, agreed i don't think he matched well with GJ. He is much better as ZWJ love his starry starry eyes when gazing at ZM. The couple from LOCH 2017 are already well casted.
I think director Jiang had a good eye in casting the actors. I hoped new ROCH will be good also so we got the trilogy we can appreciate together.
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1 hour ago, jackieusa said:
I'm re watching episode 34 and just realized that ZM did take off her dress to wash off the blood stains. The white and green clothing handing in front of XX, those should be ZM dress. Right? No wonder episode 36 when they were on the beach, her dress was almost completely stain free. Lol...all this time I thought the blood stains just magically disappeared.
Wow.. they do have some amazing stains remover back then, that a lot of blood on her dress.Edited:
Wait, she took off her boots too. This is like easter egg hunt for me.
Amazing.... You are so deep in the gutter of HSDS. You even managed to find this. Man, you gotta asked XZ about how to remove the blood stain. I bet WJ asked XZ to do it that's why XZ quite certain about how deep WJ had crush on our princess. XZ also the one who take care of ZM to heal the stab wound.
Kudos for you @jackieusa
I have managed to heal from this drama. I no longer rewatch the eps. Only sometimes still take a glimpse of wedding crash arc. But i still find our forum exciting because you guys still updating new stuff like Joseph new video about how he got the role. Thank you guys for our fruitful discussion on HSDS for the months. I'm so lucky i found you guys otherwise i got a lot to say in my heart when i watched the show but i don't know where to pour them.
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I don't feel bothered at all also, but i just don't want to know the timeline also. Just consider like a bug in software you have.
That's the beauty of Jin yong works, he made opposite attraction complemented each other so well we just undermine everything.
Especially when they can find the right actors for the role, everything sparkling. I guess it happens to every show also with the right cast but Jin yong works have complexity and diversity in each characters, they have their own charms.
Unlike Gu long and others they tend to emphasize on the final duel which is also good but the journey of the characters are sometime neglected.
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20 minutes ago, kur4p1k4 said:
Does anybody know how long FY has been working for RYW? In eps 41 he at least has been ZM's teacher for 10 years. However based on ZM's conversation with FY seems like FY has been RYW's subordinate much longer than that. Did this ever mentioned in the book how long he's been a secret agent?
Also based on XX's story he's deceased son should be 18 yrs old when WJ was born. So when WJ becomes Ming sect leader, Ming sect has no leader for at least close to 40 years (if we assume WJ is 22 yr old by then). FY and YX are both hot 60 yr old man hahaha. If my calculation is right anyway. Hope somebody else can help me confirm or clarify it.
Just wondering, because watching ep 41 and later episodes I think FY totally need therapy
Seems like FY really love ZM or at least because of ZM his last 10 years of life before HSDS start was the happiest for him since ZM is implied to treat him very well even though he's a Han person. But he also got burdened by his responsibility to Ming sect. Sometimes I feel like he got split personality when ZM is in danger he automatically move to save her, but if he remembered his Ming sect he has to switch it back to become ZM's enemy again. Poor guy lol
Cheers
My suggestion is not to count the timeline in Jinyong works. He kinda messed up the whole things with lots of loopholes. You might even suspect XZ is older than ZWJ. Ever since i found out HR is older than GJ, i just stopped. I mean i just enjoy the characterization, the philosophy behind the martial arts he created, the history mixed with fictious character and events.
FY in this version is not pathetic at all. He knows exactly from the very beginning that his ultimate loyalty is to the Ming Sect. It goes beyond his love to the country, to his disciple ZM, his love PRDG, his leader YDT, or even himself. He scratched his face to be the perfect spy. He did save ZM from beheading but after that he got hidden agenda of his own. He also colluded with other to kill RYW, without YX if you can get FY to say yes then it's 90 percent of success on your hand.
I think he must have some soft spot for ZM but not so significant.
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That's right. It was supposed to be Yellow Dress Maiden role to give ZZR a lesson. Just a slap or two will satisfy me but this show urrghhhh they killed me, they just treat YDM as fashion show models.
I'm so pissed because we can't expect ZWJ to do that as he got too much guilt for taking ZZR this far. Nobody else on the show is stronger than ZZR other than those two.
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4 hours ago, AppleBanana said:
LOL at the “hint as big as a rock”. I always thought that she wouldn’t tell him if she can get away with it with whatever lies she can come up with but yeah, it’s a little too obvious.
LOL too. WJ is so damn 'caveman' he need rock sized hint to find out the truth. How on earth he could be leader at this point, i am completely speechless.
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21 minutes ago, LaurenPanna said:
So conclusion is :
Zhou zhi ruo is the stupid one
I think ZR must thank ZM actually for crashing the wedding. If they got married, ZYZ must toppled this couple easily. ZR and WJ will be easily manipulated by others, they are puppet rulers.
After successful coup by ZYZ, their descendants would be targeted closely by ZYZ. He will make them suffer to the lowest level to make sure they couldn't rise to the top ever. Girls would go to brothel and boys to do hard labor at the borders.
MJST curses will be fulfilled. Well, ZZR is better be a nun for rest of her life than becoming ZWJ wife.
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6 minutes ago, bluesky888 said:
That why the Idiot run after her and tell her not to get mad.
Yes, and the idiot gave her princess carry and shoulder to sleep on.... Until wudang uncles ruined everything....
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2 hours ago, chipz03 said:
I am very pleased witj JZ acting as WJ, it's like he really embodied WJ in my mind haha. He can portray the difference between the young puppy crushes toward ZR, YL at the beginning, and with the love that become more mature and grown up toward MM. He is also very good as Leader Zhang. JZ is young but he can convey that charisma of a leader, an unbeatable one. Good emotional ranges and different expressions that can project the feeling of the character.
He can also convey that different emotions toward the ladies. I think he can project differently with his eyes and his body languages toward MM versus the other ladies. It's not easy to get acting partner who can share good on-screen chemistry that can really bring out an actor/actress acting skill Once you get it, it's good to really utilize that jackpot.
1 hour ago, jackieusa said:IKR, I'm still puzzled why C-fans are so cruel to Joseph, complained about his bad acting. I'm also very pleased with his portray as ZWJ. I can almost related all his emotional scenes and love scenes with those eyes and his body languages. He also have amazing chemistry with all 4 girls not just Yukee.
Yup, i'm with you guys.... If you don't like him then don't watch. I wonder why they watch the show just to mock him.
HSDS is all about the chemistry because it depicts a lot of personal relationship, master-disciple, husband-wife, cousins, brothers, enemies, father-daughter, siblings, boss-subordinates,etc. If you can't convey these emotions, the show will be downright boring and blah. ZWJ is already no.1 in wulin after saving Wudang from ZM. The only one who can beat him is Yellow Dress Maiden but i don't think she's interested to fight him. Joseph did a wonderful job for 20 years old actor.
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Guys, i told you it's all on MJST about ZZR crossing to the dark side. I told you guys before, Er mei is not some mismanagement of 3rd generation chaebol, they are ISIS in our real world. ZZR saw MJST as mother figure she never had in her life. That's why she worshipped her like no other plus MJST did 'specialize' her more than her other disciples so the connection had been there all along. MJST has JXF to remind her all the time not to lose this prodigy again.
Parents are higher than anything in Han's culture, same as ZWJ leaving his wedding ritual to save his godfather.
ZZR is so jealous at ZM because she's been playing 'good obedient girl' persona all her life but once 'sassy bratty' princess come to the picture everything ZR stands for all her life is nothing and WJ is drawn to ZM more and more. ZR has no understanding that love is about meeting 'the one' despite 'the one' has some many contradicting factors they can not prevent the love from happening, on the contrary they attracts love more.
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31 minutes ago, jackieusa said:
I went ahead to check out the TVB version since you mentioned about those cut scenes. But the episode ended exactly like the mainland's version again so I wonder what the purpose of those cut scenes.
Lol....I kind of regretted after re watching this episode. WJ's actually like ZZR a lot that you can see him getting jealous of SQS liking ZR. The way he looked at her. WJ definitely can marry ZR if not for MM appearance and consistently chasing him and not giving up on their relationship.
Totally can not blame the girls for getting wrong impression. ZWJ in ah niu persona even promised to marry YL and protect her a lifetime. ZWJ also starring ridiculously in an awe when XZ sung.
When i look at your gifs above, no wonder ZZR ignored the oath she sworn to MJST, ZWJ gave her the gaze of admiring.
Guys... This ZWJ is a caveman, he totally lost and failed in how to make proper human social relationships, even as a leader.
It's jin yong world, opposite attraction... The Caveman and Royal Princess tale....
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1 hour ago, penforella said:
I'm bias toward MM hence my wanting to strangle those hypocrite. On the other hand I also understand that they think everything was going their way, with having powerful, young, popular, charismatic leader who could have been an emperor and bring glory to Emei whoopss.. I mean Ming sect.
They don't have the balls to assasinate MM though in the end
Man.... Their leader literally catered to her needs, including her meals and medication.
So how to poison her?
They also stay in the same room day and nights, where is the opportunity?
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3 hours ago, penforella said:
I hate those hypocrite mostly on the latter episodes. One character that I especially found myself want to throw my shoes or brick at is Bat King. When WJ can't find MM in 48, his immediate reaction was to ask if MM stole the military manual. And his I've done nothing wrong but please punish me face on 50 after they plotted to kill MM father.
But he already on my blacklist ever since he touched MM face
Hey don't blame him. Just imagine if you're one of the Ming sect people. Can you imagine Zhang Jiaozhu is actually in love with a foreign princess?? This one is not just foreign but direct from the enemy camp.
Some people might think it's just temporary infatuation until the hype burnt down but instead the fire in their heart getting stronger. Their leader start showing unusual behaviour and the romance going to the marriage very soon. They used to be ganging up on him and push him to do what they want but now he stand for her against them. If me, i might want to assasinate her secretly.
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4 hours ago, kur4p1k4 said:
Zhang Wu Ji really has extreme examples of true love:
ZCS-YSS suicide together just because people just can't let them be
YX-JXF, YX always alone waiting for JXF, JXF rather die than kill YX
Hu Qing Niu-Wang Nan Gu, couple that so opposite but love each other deeply
This version make good contrast though, unlike his father at least WJ dared to stand in front of his brothers and defend ZM, and they at least can be happy in this world
ZCS sadly have no courage to at least defend YSS towards his Wu Dang's brothers, but rather kill himself.
Thanks @jackieusa for all the gifs, I need to cleanse myself while subbing ep.42, my god Ming sect ppl are the worst, ZR is gaslighting WJ, I really can't imagine if those two got married how miserable WJ is going to be
2 hours ago, LaurenPanna said:Both father and son fall in love with "little demoness" in others eyes
Both SS and MM love to dress up as man, and even better, both love to impersonate their boyfriends lol. SS impersonate ZCS, MM impersonate ZWJ.
Both women are strong characters who fight and give up alot for love boldly
Is that the Reason why Yang Xiao has a surprised and Impressed look on his face when Minmin said at the Wedding Clash " I INSIST" - 我偏要勉强“
I like that he seem to be be really impressed with her courage. That he felt he lack of, for going after JXF.
I'm sorry but i can't sympathize with YSS and you can not compare her to ZM. YSS did all the sin and had 10 years.... I mean 10 years but she didn't say anything about it. I know she did it for self defense but still 10 years, heloooww...
If i were ZCS, i'll be super mad and furious. She should have told him before they swore couple oath together. ZCS had no idea who she really is. But i think the main reason why he commited suicide was because he didn't implicate ZSF in XX problems. If he died, those people can't push ZSF further.
ZM is noble birth but instead of indulging herself with wealth and glory in her birthright she chose to work for her dynasty. It doesn't matter if it's not the chivalrous way, every country has some secret organization to do some 'dirty work' anyway. It's just they don't want to admit it.
She did kidnap, kill, torture, threaten, imprison many people but it is not wrong. She's part of the military organization. Think about what Mossad does to protect Israel people from militants. I salute her for that, she always admitted openly what she did. That's why YL murder accusation is an insult to her character and intelligence. Who would have thought she could such a 'stupid' crime?
She betrayed her country and family in the end but she chose also to be responsible. She's ready to be killed not only once to pay for the sins. Instead of hiding it she openly admitted everything. Look how she handled Ming Sect people and 6 major righteous sects, she never scared of them because she did what she had to do.
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15 hours ago, LaurenPanna said:
First picture, when asked about the kissing scene,, Joseph will still blushed. It mentioned that its not that his kissing technique is overly matured but it was because Yukee found it hard to fully get into the mood for the kissing scene, that's why he kinda do it in a rough but affectionate manner to help her and to convey the message of the deep love between both characters.
Second picture, it mentions that Yukee was very shy during the kissing scene. She kinda avoided his eyes. The director call for "Cut!" twice. First cut was due to angle problem. At the second cut, Yukee face became very red as she was too shy and blushed. They could only video her side view. The production team actually video edit to make their skin look more neutralise.
Third picture stated: in order to make the whole kissing scene smooth sailing, Joseph made effort hi to Brainstorm ways and methods to get Yukee into the mood to kiss. In the end, he decided to make use of his hands and chest, pull Yukee into his embrace, allow them to be lock together tightly, so that she can have a more realistic outlook of everything and won't be that shy. And hoping she can temporarily forget about her role in real life and get into the mood as Zhao Min.
I remembered in one interview yukee compared joseph eyes with leo luo and other male co stars she worked with in playful manner. She said she thought her eyes are big enough but joseph are bigger. I don't really understand chinese so that's what i got. Maybe someone here with fluent chinese can look into the interview and let us know clearer?
Edit : i couldn't find the link but the interview asking yukee while throwing punches game
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4 minutes ago, kur4p1k4 said:
I have question for people who cannot understand Chinese or only understand Chinese at basic daily life terms, also who cannot read Viet sub, Indo sub, Thai sub or any other subs that is not English.
How do you watch this series and actually follow the story?
I'm actually curious, is there people who summarise it? Do all of you just remember what happen in the previous version or the book?
Or are you all just good at guessing stuff?
Count me in... My chinese is so-so... And i did all the things you said above when watching the series....
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I'm planning to do the same when watching ROCH later in this year. Now my problem is when i watch Handsome Siblings then i have to count you all people for that. Because i'm not too familiar with the story.
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1 hour ago, LaurenPanna said:
I am quite sure it is his personal facebook.
As he did mentioned that he is going to close that FB to concentrate on his Artiste page.
I happen to see him tagging himself on artiste page, which is why i get to spot his personal account.
Personally I am really pleased with his performance as Zhang Wu Ji.
really is the best. I think I like him even more than Tony Leung's version !
Have you checked carefully lauren? There are lots of fake accounts nowadays.
If you can really contact him personally then it's good. I hope he could see we love his show so much.
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12 minutes ago, LaurenPanna said:
I can't let my husband know I did this
I... MUST.. BE.... CRAZY....
Happy for you and us Lauren but i hope it's not his management answering you.
I also really hoped that it's him and our appreciation in this forum can counter negative comments and critics about 2019 HSDS.
Seriously, i'm so sad people who bash and lament about this version adapting the novel. If you guys don't like it, then don't watch and stay away!!! It takes hard work, sweat and tears by the cast and crew to create the show.
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5 minutes ago, LaurenPanna said:
Yes i will!!
I actually told him that I thank him on behalf of everyone in this forum.
I just texted him and give him the link to our Forum. Inviting him to join us.
I am not confident that he will join us here.
Hope he does not think that I am a Crazy Woman hahahahhaha
Hahahaha.... Wow... If he could join here it would be good but i think he'll use an alias here so he can spy on us here on how we think about HSDS.
He has international appreciation. I could understand everybody praises Yukee and Bambi for carrying the show but Joseph performance is good enough for a 20 year old newcomer.
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1 hour ago, chipz03 said:
I agree with prev posters, it's like WJ closed his eyes to steel himself. He has been battling his feeling toward MM up until this episode. (he never said he didn't love her or only treat her as friend/sister. It's always because he felt they were impossible, unless she got hurt for choosing between her family and her man, or got herself hurt for protecting both sides who are basically enemies, which is enough reason for him to hold his feeling in check. Maan, really admire her backbone). When he said that the fact MM can do what she said she will do was the reason why he is hesitant actually show that he himself is regretful of their situations. He seems worried and desperate there. Like he knows he's losing his battle against his own feelings, but he still tried to steel himself.
Seems like Joseph is a lowkey MM-WJ shipper too (the instagram owner posted the drawing two days ago and J ig liked the pic. Seems like that ig is his)
All credits go to the weibo, ig, and/or pic owners please
Although you made your points but i think ZWJ closed his eyes is that he's angry at ZM. He tried so hard to avoid their feelings but ZM kept pushing forward him to the point she almost lost her life. He ranted about it while transferring his internal energy, ZM is so weak so he must contain his anger because she suffered a lot. He's angry at her stubbornness.
His defense wall collapsed when she kissed him in the cheek on eps 44. Oh man, he just can't contain his feelings any longer. I wish ZM could've done it earlier.
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15 minutes ago, LaurenPanna said:
I thanked him on his personal Facebook messenger that day for his great performance and chemistry with Yukee in HSDS. And said that hope the both of them can work together again.
He replied thank you to me within seconds
I wish I could personally test Yukee too.
I am like a crazy fan now
Yay... Lauren, you're our fairy !!!!
Please kindly direct him to our forum so he know that we give praise about his performance. He's the first ZWJ that i liked, i watched 1986 version, it's good but i never like ZWJ until Joseph portrayal.
Tony Leung is good (of course, he's international award winning actor, duh) but Joseph gaze to his leading lady is the best.
1 minute ago, kur4p1k4 said:I want to kill Jin Yong. Why does his 2 main women characters in here has to have almost similar surname?!
I don't know how many times I've mistype Zhao to Zhou and vice versa
Sorry just have to rant
It's ok, next time just use ZZR and ZM. The chinese character are very much different i guess Jin yong never thought his works will be acknowledged for so long.
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1 hour ago, hobeverly1212 said:
just wanna ask...Yukee is older than Joseph? Cos i read in some sites she's born in 1997 same as Joseph and some sites stated as 1992... its a bit confusing lol....
Yes, yukee is older i think she was born in 1993 while Joseph is much younger he was 1997ers.
Wow.. they do have some amazing stains remover back then, that a lot of blood on her dress.
[Mainland Chinese Drama 2019] Heavenly Sword Dragon Slaying Saber 倚天屠龙记
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@kur4p1k4 thank you kurapika for the information. ZM and ZWJ are indeed the best couple beating all the odds.
I think they are representing most of us people so we can feel the love.
Imagine you're a man secretly harbors some forbidden desire to a girl which her status is very very high. In this case ZM is a princess while ZWJ just a rebel leader, he's not just a lowly peasant but someone with a death sentence in his name. They are so much different yet the man quickly extinguished even the slightest hope in him in having her.
But to his surprise, the girl does not give up easily, she keep pushing even only a bit of hope she's more than ready to bet with everything she has although it almost costs her, her life. ZWJ scared to death that ZM could die under pressure from both sides. He keep asking her to go back home and live her splendid life, but she just persistent and his wall of defense just broken down. After that there's no turning back, he went ballistic on the world, and hell yeah he got the girl. It's like a man got his favorite idol/actress/model/princess as wife.
For us ladies, ZM is the bravest one we could never be. From the moment she got swayed by him, she let herself openly although risking her life on it. She refused to bow down to anyone, she asked everyone to accept her as who she is. She know what she wants and ready to snatch it from everyone although she might face the worst outcome. Even in modern world, we ladies tend to choose the 'safest choice' for man, man in our league. ZM dared to choose ZWJ with his reputations, he is orphan with no wealth, demonic cult leader, womanizer, rebel leader with mysterious personality, his family and friends scorned her. But she sticked firmly to her choice and she got her man. She believed this man is the one for her and will cherish her as much she cherishes him. How many of us can do or dare the same? I bet not many. In level of braveness, ZM is a dragon and i as a bee look up to in an awe.
ZM and ZWJ are the representation of our craziest, darkest, naughtiest, deepest dream but they made it possible that's why so many people love this couple.
Sorry for the long post, everytime i visit this forum everyone here inspired me by new POVs and news.