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8 hours ago, Nanana85 said:
Promo content for The Swoon/Netflix.
Nice content! They should do Twister games next for the stars with shows on Netflix lolol
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8 hours ago, r047 said:
is 3% considered ok?
I think yes. I'm not Korean so I don't know how TV ratings work there but many people have said that for cable shows 3% is good enough.
5 hours ago, rocher22 said:I dont understand why the writer inconsistently portrays Sunho.
Sunho stood in front of that sword protecting Hwi.
And then at the end of the episode he blackmails Hwi using Yeon.
That was really low...
I think he's trying to balance his personal desires and that of Hwi's. Sunho may have been raised in a well-to-do family but compared to Hwi, he has been struggling since childhood because of his father. He saw her dead mother (either he hanged herself or Nam Jeon had her killed), he was blamed for his older brother's death, and since then, his life hasn't been his own. Mentally or emotionally, Hwi had it better but he's poor. So they're the opposites. Hwi is from a loving family but he's poor. Sunho is from a wealthy family but has never been loved by his family. He only felt that with Hwi as his friend, so in Episode 4, he told Hwi there's one person he doesn't want to lose, and that's Hwi. Sunho is now trying to balance not losing Hwi and gaining power himself so he can crush his father, and this shows in all his decisions: he chose to send Hwi to war so his father won't kill Hwi, but also so he can show he can be trusted by his father.
All in all, I truly understand where Sunho is coming from although this doesn't excuse the horrible things he did to Hwi. Even so, I hope he and Hwi will make up in the latter part of the series. I care more about their relationship as best friends, than the love angle, to be honest, hahaha
2 hours ago, mademoisellesia said:I can't hate on Sun Ho after learning his backstory. I also understand his inner conflict of wanting to break free from the hell he was born into, and he's doing it in the only way he knows/taught how albeit it's blatantly wrong.
I feel the same.
2 hours ago, Prettysup said:Can you imagine they are the same person ?
OH MY GOD! I've seen that actor somewhere playing a normal character. I never would have imagined it's him playing the medic. What a transformation lol I hope he doesn't die though because I'm rooting for him to become a proper doctor in Joseon lol
2 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:He preferred Sejong over his older sons which means he had good eye for the people.
Ooooh it seems so. I mean in the series, Bang Won seems to respect Seo Geom, so maybe that's how he is known in Korea? A person with relatively good judgment?
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The medic is becoming one of my favorite characters in this series.
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1 hour ago, fiesty8001 said:
Don't love this development too much. BW is about to slice these cute kiddos.
HAHAHAHAHAHA It's hilarious how you put it
but yeah, I was also reading about the historical background of this series and saw what Bang Won did. I guess he made up for it by being sperm donor so Korea can have Sejong the Great?
I am currently watching Episode 4 on Netflix. I might sleep mid-way as it's 3 AM here but I will continue in the morning. I'm relieved Sun Ho wasn't able to go through with striking the sword. There is still hope.
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18 minutes ago, Dumdoc said:
I was just watching the scene in episode 8 with JR’s wife on the couch with her mother.
Woah I hadn't thought of that although I noticed that someone was coughing in the room lol At this point, it seems like the writer is toying with us and throwing suspicion at everyone
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I don't know what to think about character development here. On the one hand, I agree with you all when you said character development is lacking. On the other hand, I am still satisfied with the pace of the story. It may just be because I like the story, the visuals, and the actors here though, but I believe as the story moves along, the events will influence character development.
Also, the female lead's acting is faltering again and it comes just when I'm about to cheer her on. Like when she left Ihwaru, I was like, "You go girl! We don't know what the consequence of you leaving will be, BUT YAAAAAS FOR NOT ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE USED BY SEOL!" And then she comes out of the gisaeng house and then delivers acting while bidding goodbye to her friend that fails to connect me with her. She's a hit or miss for me so far, but I'm hanging on to her just cause her character arc seems interesting enough. I want to know what her position will be in the future.
Can I just say, this series is making me read about Korean history lol I'm so curious about what's going to happen that I read about the Goryeo to Joseon transition. From my understanding, Seong Gye is going to be the next king, and his descendants will lead Joseon, and Bang Won's son will be Sejeong the Great, right?
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8 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:
So he & Jessica aren't registered in terms of marriage?! I'm confused.
I'm not sure because the subs may be misleading but in my understanding, Jessica had a wedding with another man before Jong Ryeol but that wedding was not registered, which is why she was able to marry Jong Ryeol later on.
Oh also, I'm on board Yong Sik's idea of Hong Ja Yong as the future governor of Ongsan.
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A million frustrations in this 8th episode...
SpoilerI did not expect to be frustrated with this episode. I was figuratively pulling my hair over Dong Baek's response to the serial killer threat. She's scared that the serial killer's also watching Pil Gu but she also doesn't want a full-on investigation because THE MEDIA CALLED THE VICTIMS PROSTITUTES AND IT'S GOING TO SCAR PIL GU IF HE SAYS THE COMMENTS?!
I mean you can easily explain things to Pil Gu. Dong Baek doesn't give Pil Gu enough credit when he's so smart he figured out who his father is on his own. He's smart and he'll get it when you tell him the media got it wrong. I mean between that and losing his mother, the latter would scar him more. So I don't understand the hesitance in having a full on investigation, and the feeling of helplessness when you have a choice to make it easier to catch the serial killer. Dong Baek said it herself. If you see a bug, you squash it immediately so you don't have to live with it, so why the hesitance in finding the serial killer? On the one hand, I do get that it's a traumatic experience. On the other hand, this is a show and I'm not liking the forced internal conflict in this situation.
Hyang Mi was also especially frustrating this episode. I used to like her but now, there's no "like" left to give. She's the worst. Well, the serial killer is the worst and then Hyang Mi. She's even worse than Mr. No or they're on the same level.
Also another frustration: Yong Sik investigating the case so Dong Baek won't leave. Here's another moment that makes me feel sad for him. I don't like that Yong Sik is being written as a man who's building his life around Dong Baek (which could be a good thing kdrama wise because it's new - this time, it's not the female lead who's crazy in love, but the male lead). On the one hand, there are romantic undertones to it. On the other hand, it's... I don't know how to explain it. I'm worried about Yong Sik and what would happen to him. Dong Baek can easily tell him she wants to leave Ongsan knowing Yong Sik lives there. She hasn't thought about what Yong Sik would feel. Yong Sik's "all in" for Dong Baek but she isn't, which is understandable given her situation, but it's painful to watch and I hope after they take a break from each other (since Dong Baek is leaving Ongsan, as shown in the preview), they find a balance in their relationship that it's not only Yong Sik who's fully invested in their relationship. I trust this will eventually happen.
This episode has a good ending though because we see Yong Sik investigating the fire and seeing the lighter. I have no time to go back to the previous episodes but was the green lighter the one Hyang Mi stole?
Frustrations aside, my favorite part of this episode is Hong Ja Young going to the Camellia because she wants to drink with a friend. Way to go with the character development here. Way to go lawyer Ja Young.
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1 hour ago, Latte_Anyday said:
Like @stroppyse , I didn't interpret Yong Shik's words the way you did, nor did I see it as a sign of weakness.
Oh yes, my view of Yong Sik in this episode changed a bit after reading stroppyse's translations, which are more should I say nuanced. I felt the depth in Yong Sik's feelings more because of these translations, when in the Netflix one's I couldn't help but feel bad a little for him because the translations were all about laying everything on the line and sacrificing for Dong Baek, which to me, was a little sad... bordering on unhealthy in reality. For example with what Yong Sik said about "If we date for real, you'll die of happiness everyday." I understand where he is coming from but these are too... let me just say, idealistic in a way and portrays him as kind of blind to what the reality is, of what's coming if their relationship goes deeper. I just feel like he's going to be hurt a lot when the realities and complexities of their relationship hit him.
It may just be me though because personally, "I'll sacrifice for her," "you'll die of happiness everyday," "I'll give up everything for her" aren't things I would want to hear from a person I want to love. I'd rather hear things like, "There are moments where we'll be sad and we'll be hurt, but I'd still go through them to be with you and to experience the happy moments we'll have." So I was rather worried for Yong Sik when he was talking about these things. I hope you understand what I mean... but if say, someone as attractive as Kang Ha Neul tells me those things in real life, I'd probably date them anyway.
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14 minutes ago, stroppyse said:
They get the general meaning across in English, but tend to lose much, if not all, of the nuance and color.
This is true. I felt differently while I was watching the episode compared to when I was reading your translations. I felt pained or hurt for Yong Sik at first because he was all, "I'm laying all the line for you," "I'll give up everything for Dong Baek," etc. I thought it was bordering on losing his self-love because he's prioritizing Dong Baek over himself, but while reading your translations, I felt more depth in the way Yong Sik delivered those lines. It's more heartwarming when you put Yong Sik's thoughts the way you translated them. So thank you very much!
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@stroppyse Your translations are so much better. Thank you!
How accurate are the Netflix translations, do you think? Also, are there are other platforms (Viki, VIU, etc?) airing Camellia that have better translations?
3 hours ago, 1ouise said:I think it is Kim Ji-seok who makes me feel sorry for Jong-ryeol.
Hahaha! Yes, definitely. I think it's testament to Ji Seok's talent and personality that a richard simmons character he's playing is likable lol
3 hours ago, 1ouise said:I think “parenthood” could be the reason for the story of Yeong-sim's dog and puppies.
By the way, I kep hearing Yeong Sim. Have they showed who he/she is? Or is he/she one of those characters who gets mentioned a lot but is not shown yet in the series?
As for Heing Sik, I don't remember hearing anything about him. But LOL at the ahjummas talking about suspicious people in their community and then disappointing Yong Sik by telling him the suspicious person was a victim or was in Norway while the killings were happening. Love that they dimmed the lighting during those scenes too. Hilarious!
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6 hours ago, Lawyerh said:
Btw off topic a bit I love your DP cat from the BITMFL
good drama that one.
BTIMFL is in my top 5 (maybe top 3) favorites and has everything I am looking for (in perfect balance) in slice of life dramas.
By the way, I felt sad JSM was not able to do much kid's yoga in Little Forest. She even trained for it but they only showed it briefly and not all the kids wanted to do it lol
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3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:
I was happy that the lawyer decided to support DB and gave her good advice
SAME! The woman in me was cheering when she offered her services as lawyer. YES QUEENS! *in Jonathan Van Ness voice* I was a little wary at first like what if she betrays Dong Baek? "Oh no, did she erase everything in Dong Baek's ledger? Could it be true that everything is scanned in the USB?" I think nothing like that happened though right?
2 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:She was fair and sensible.
True. She wasn't being the usual mom villain in kdrama who doesn't like the woman her son likes just because. I felt for Ms. Kwak when she said, "How can I let him choose that path?" And true enough, the complications that Yong Sik needs to face for dating a single mother were shown in this series. Yong Sik wouldn't have to go through all that if he's dating a single woman. But well, I believe true love will prevail in the end and Ms. Kwak will eventually accept her later. Also, you know Ms. Kwak's a good person because she gave Dong Baek good advice as if she is her own daughter. An advice such as "Take it slowly" or "Don't rush into things" seems sensible enough especially coming from a person who doesn't want her son to date you.
As everyone in this forum, I love Yong Sik's straightforward and pure heart. However, for some reason, I felt sad for him in this episode.
He kept on saying he'd lay everything on the line for Dong Baek. He told JR as much.
He'll give up everything for Dong Baek when JR left her to have everything.
Yong Sik then told Dong Baek he'll do everything for her.
He'd make her happy everyday.
He'll grant all her wishes.
He'd be the easy guy for her.
He keeps on repeating these things and so I felt he's going to be the one who'll be hurt the most later on, like a big break-up's going to come when reality hits hard. Instead of feeling giddy over his pronouncements, I felt really pained. It seems like putting Dong Baek first will truly hurt him. While it's good to have a man go all-out with his feelings like Yong Sik did, his confessions are bordering a little on having less love and care for himself, which won't be good for him.
ALTHOUGH I agree with this too:
2 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:Thought it was so hot how Yong Shik hold Dong Baek close at the end to stop her from seeing that dreaded Joker message...
IT WAS HOT.
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2 hours ago, Lawyerh said:
Chicken phobia? Haha this is also totally new to me actually.
You nailed the personalities of our imos and samchuns. I hope they also make a second season, same cast and children, with new ones.
Also, about chicken phobia. I was watching Three Meals a Day: Mountain Village and Park So Dam there also has chicken phobia lol. She can't stand the sight of feathers.
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16 hours ago, Lawyerh said:
She hope the blueberry trees, treasure hunts, animal farms, beautiful clouds will remain in their hearts.
I'm sure they will remember these memories until they grow up. I mean I certainly would if I was a kid in Little Forest. It's a really good experience that while entertaining for me personally, it also makes me feel sad for all the other children in the world who don't get this kind of experience. Not all kids can afford daycare, not all daycare centers even the "hippie" ones that are nature-centered have patient and caring aunts like So Min for instance, or a chef like Lee Seo Jin who will prepare healthy food for children. It's just sad but also entertaining at the same time. I hope there's season 2 and everyone comes back, especially the twins and Yoo Jin cause they're my faves lol.
Also, watching Brooke run to Lee Seo Jin and then seeing her trying not cry made me cry
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16 hours ago, chibiusa said:
When camellia flowers' was confirmed as a total of 20 episodes. (We will end with 20*2=40 episodes)
Oh so that's why there are 20 episodes on Netflix. That's good to know. I hope they won't drag it out though.
13 hours ago, Blackend said:Is DB's mom really has dementia or she is faking it?
I don't think she's faking it because she has the bracelet that's given to the elderly with Alzheimer's or dementia.
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12 hours ago, Lawyerh said:
But I think LSJ like the deep thought of Brooke too
Yes, this is what I thought too. Brooke is a deep, thoughtful, and sensitive person, and I think that's what drew LSJ to her. I was awwwwwing when Brooke cried because she didn't have a gift to give her mom and the others were clueless about it but LSJ understood and knew what to do.
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Just finished Episode 2 and I have thoughts...
About the military exam, wouldn't the military be gaining more men if they narrowed down the search to maybe 5, 10 people? I mean, why do they choose only one when there are many skilled men who prove their capabilities by making it to the top 10. It's the military's loss, to be honest.
Seo Seol intrigues me because we don't know whose side she's on. She knows everthing that's happening. She sent Nam Jeon's message to the examiner to rig the exam, but she also showed Hwi the room where Nam Jeon and the examiner were drinking. She's choosing what information to share to people and I want to know what her end game is.Also, I kinda get where Sun Ho is coming from. I'm not saying he's a good person. He's bad. But it's not easy to be good when you've been raised in a cruel environment. He wants to own his life, and I get the strong desire for independence, but he did so at the expense of Hwi. I don't think his suffering since childhood of being constantly pressured by his father outweighs Hwi's suffering of being separated from his sister and sent to war.
Despite all the conflict between them, I love their friendship and their respect for each other. I was cheering when Hwi said, "See you in the final round!" I hope someday they patch things up (although it will be hard to get past all the heartbreaking things Sun Ho did), but (1) maybe taking care of Hwi's sister and letting her live long as she wished will make up for everything Sun Ho did (I also wish they marry haha because it's Hwi's sister who will be able to see the good in Sun Ho), and (2) fight alongside one another for a country they both envision as theirs.
That's my ultimate wish, I think, to see Hwi and Sun Ho be allies and work together to bring about a prosperous country they both hope for.
I wonder how Hui Jae will also repay her "debt" to Hwi's father and to Hwi, who was sent to the military because of her actions. I have a feeling there's going to be sacrifice involved, and it will be heartbreaking.
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I just started the second episode and I take back what I said about the female lead. When she cried while remembering the past with Hwi's dad, her acting was okay. Not the best, but enough, I guess.
Also, I was laughing so hard at the squid kite. I hope it flies the best. Also, Hwi's sister's make up
I'm just 10 minutes in but boy am I hoping this series gets the attention and love it deserves. I want it to be successful.
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4 minutes ago, Whisper2 said:
The ID in the wallet can't belong to Dong baek's as her registered birthday is 29th August 1986.
Ooooh really? Good catch.
But is there a way for Dong Baek to have changed her registered birthday since meeting her mother and present time (when the body is discovered)? They said her birthday is sometime in winter, which coincides iwth "861224." If Dong Baek's mom briefly remembers it and tells Dong Baek, can she have it changed in her ID?
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To be honest, I'm not a fan of sageuk but I gave this a try because of Yang Se Jeong and Woo Do Hwan. It did not disappoint. I did not expect to like it. Like everyone else, I love the cinematography as well as the background music. I love that they added modern background music, making some of the scenes cooler. Also, I like the color treatment of some scenes, like when Hwi and his sister's father was about to be executed. The color treatment there was really cool (added to the dark and sinister atmosphere), I hope they maintain it throughout the show.
I will keep on watching and I'm hoping this isn't going to be a love triangle because they're already facing way too many social and political issues here lol I hope love complications won't make it worse. Also, I'm not a fan of the female lead but I hope her acting will improve for the series' sake.
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8 hours ago, 1ouise said:
does that mean she is faking her dementia??
The salon attack happened years ago so it's safe to assume Dong Baek's mom may not have had dementia back then.
8 hours ago, chickfactor said:And I know that the lawyer (NGT's wife) is kind of a villainess so far (giving our DB a hard time!) but I just want to tell you, she is flippin' awesome to me. She is so funny and cool.
I like her too, to be honest, except for the fact that she doesn't take responsibility for her share in the breakdown of her marriage. She represents women who want to stay married for the sake of telling everyone she is even if her marriage isn't working. I hope one day she realizes that she's partly to blame because she looks down on her husband and doesn't respect him. Realistically speaking, they should just get a divorce and start fresh, but for narrative's sake, I want to see them patch things up... to communicate so she'll see what her husband needs, and her husband will see that he can't run away from his marriage my harassing other women. I want to see them patch things up if only to see two actors I love act like a loving, married couple.
7 hours ago, larus said:I still believe that the victim is Hyang Min or another woman.
Yes! She has way too many targets on her back lol The loanshark, the landlord, and the lawyer wife. Although I want to think the landlord and his wife aren't capable of murder (I think in this episode, the writer simply wanted to set up the landlord and wife having thoughts of murder just to throw suspicion at them). Hyang Mi is the corpse because she has so many reasons to steal Dong Baek's identity, and she's the one capable of doing so without feeling guilty about it.
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44 minutes ago, bedifferent said:
Good idea.
Happy that it may end up not DB.
I think this is too much of a feel-good series for the main lead to die. I'm about 90% sure
44 minutes ago, bedifferent said:YS and DB possibly not together anymore
Maybe reality caught up to them. I mean they live in a society where there's still stigma about single mothers dating single men so all the issues getting in the way may have piled up, breaking them apart. But I think when Yong Sik learns Dong Baek is alive at present time, they'll reunite or something. Crossing my fingers.
44 minutes ago, bedifferent said:Stay happy. Coupledom is not for everyone.
I've set a year for when I'll be open to dating. At the moment, there are still some things I'm fixing in my life that I'd like to focus on. I've given myself a set number of years to figure things out then when I'm good, I'll start dating. I hope I meet someone as passionate as Yong Sik but probably not. Male drama leads don't exist in real life. -
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I just saw episode 6 and my favorite parts are:
1. Yong Sik carrying Pil Goo and Pil Goo feeling happy about it
2. Kang Ha Neul with a messed up hair after the fight
3. Yong Sik making Dong Baek's cursed fake birthday special
4. Yong Sik wanting to see every name in Dong Baek's ledger HAHAHAHAHA
I've remained voluntarily single and happy for years now and I have no plans to date but now I wish I was dating someone... maybe someone like Yong Sik HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"He keeps making me keep my head up."
Despite the ending, I still don't think Dong Baek is the corpse. I think Hyang Mi stole Dong Baek's wallet. At one point, Hyang Mi will try to escape by taking Dong Baek's identity, which means changing her hair, stealing Dong Baek's IDs, etc.
Also, I still believe it was Dong Baek's mom who turned on the sprinklers, back when she still didn't have dementia, and later in the series Dong Baek's mom may reveal a clue of what she saw of the joker back then. Or the joker may be around and then Dong Baek's mom will recognize him/her.
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I laughed so hard when he cried at the dining table when they were offered food because he hasn't sat down to eat food for so long. 
How accurate are the Netflix translations, do you think? Also, are there are other platforms (Viki, VIU, etc?) airing Camellia that have better translations? 
Happy that it may end up not DB.
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@USAFarmgirl Spot on! I also wrote in an earlier post that WDH's character, Sun Ho, seems to only have two objectives and he is trying to balance it - to gain power so he can break free from his father's control, and to protect Hwi. All of his decisions so far have been to do both, and although he sent Hwi to war, it was to protect him because. It was between killing Hwi or sending Hwi to the battlefield.
I also agree with you on your thoughts why Sun Ho chose to tell Hwi that his sister is dead.
I'm not saying Sun Ho is always right but that he is making decisions from his own perspective, which then leads to him hurting others like Hwi. Hwi, on the other hand, not only thinks of his own interests but also that of others. Overall, the history of their friendship, as shown so far, is just to precious. I hope they find a way in the future to make up and that none of them would have to sacrifice and die, but then again, who am I kidding? Someone's bound to die right and the series is going to be painful at one point. We just don't know who'll die and what sacrifices they're going to make.