[Drama 2015] Hwajung 화정

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[gerrytan8063]

This is a capital punishment in Joseon Dynasty - a sentence to death for high treason (daeyukbudochoe) by dismemberment (거열형,車裂形)

The sentence dictates that the prisoner will be drawn by horses or cattle & quartered from his torso of all his limbs

It is a Confucian belief that one must die with his body intact, so dismemberment is the greatest humiliation to that belief. This is why prisoner render their gratitude when they are sentence to death by poisoning (an integrity death) as it will fulfilled that they will died with an intact body

[Guest purpledrama]

I'm more interested in GW and the court hit woman conversation..  Also since when could the hit woman can grant post to the doctors she to the underling doctor she could make him a royal physician.. So looking forward to see how things turn out next week will Gw let it slide again she tried to kill the princess again will he really be able to weaken KJS power..           

 

      

  

  

@valsava   Let's see... Between Gae Shi and Yi Chum, they poisoned the ex-king ( Gwanghae's father), had Prince Imhae drink poison ( Gwanghae's elder brother ), aborted Gwanghae's concubines, killed the ex-prime minister Lee Deok Hyung, killed the Grand Prince, tried to kill the Princess once and latest, poisoned her...
She has basically killed Gwanghaegun's family one by one!
Not sure how many of those are facts, and how many are fictions. 
Let's say just for the drama.
How far will Gai Si go with her murderous manipulation especially with the attempt to kill the Princess?
And just how far will the King let her get away with it?

 

@smp567 exactly basically she has killed the kings whole family. .. and have the same question what is fact and what is fictional about all the killings... and i was reading other dramas about kwangee character was really Ga shi his concubine? ?? I think she was correct? .. 

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@purpledrama

I remember we talked about this somewhere and @gerrytan8063 mentioned that she was one of Gwanghaegun's concubine, some low rank that allowed her to move around, not consigned to be only at the inner court like those high rank wives of the king.
It doesn't make much sense that a king's servant can have that much authority going around and kill so many of the king's family...

 

[SMP567]

@gerrytan8063

Whenever you have time ( it's quite long..), would you mind sharing with us briefly what it says below?  And what does Heo Gyun's last word to the King mean?

Thank you.

 

 

이런 것인지 모르고 시작했더냐. 
언젠가 끝나는 이 인생과 같은 것이 권력인 것을. 
권력은 언젠가 더 큰 권력에 정복당하고 마는 것을.

우리나라 최초의 한글 소설 『홍길동전』의 저자로 잘 알려져 있는 허균. 『홍길동전』은 홍길동이라는 의적을 주인공으로 하여 양반가정의 모순을 척결하고 서얼차별의 불합리에 항거한 내용의 사회소설이다. 그러나 독특하게도 정작 허균 자신은 신분의 차별을 겪어봤을 리 없는 명문가의 자제 출신이었다. 이처럼 통념에 의문을 제기하며 남다른 행보를 보인 허균, 과연 그는 <화정> 속에서 묘사된 것처럼 기행을 일삼으며 혁명을 꿈꾸었던 실패한 몽상가였을까.

 

홍길동전 ©국립중앙박물관 조선 중기 허균이 지었다고 전하는 최초의 한글소설이다. 한글소설의 효시로 중국소설 『수호전(水滸傳)』에서 영향을 받아 임진왜란 후의 사회제도의 결함, 특히 적서(嫡庶)의 신분 차이의 타파와 부패한 정치를 개혁하려는 그의 사상을 작품화한 것이다.

반상(班常)의 도리가 엄격했던 조선 사회에서 허균은 일찍이 능력에 따른 인재 등용을 필요성을 인지한 인물이었다. 서얼 출신인 이달에게서 시를 배웠고, 이재영과는 절친한 벗으로 지내는 등 신분에 구애 받지 않았다. 서얼 중에서도 천민의 첩에게 태어나 얼자로 구분되었던 이재영이 재주를 펼치지 못하는 처지를 안타까워했던 그의 마음은 봉급의 절반을 주어서라도 돕겠다는 내용이 담긴 아래 편지에 잘 드러나 있다.

 

"나는 큰 고을의 원님이 되었다네. 마침 자네가 사는 곳과 가까우니 어머니를 모시고 이곳으로 오시게. 내가 응당 봉급의 절반을 들어 그대를 대접하리니, 결코 양식을 떨어지는 경우는 없을 것이라네. 자네와 나는 서로 처지야 다르지만 취향이 같고, 자네의 재주가 나보다 열 배는 뛰어날 것이네. 그렇지만 세상에서 버림받기는 나보다도 심하니, 내가 이 점을 언제나 기가 막히게 생각하고 있다네. 나는 비록 운수가 기박해도 몇 차례 고을의 원님이 되어 자급자족할 수 있지만, 자네는 입에 풀칠하는 것조차 면하지 어렵구려. 세상의 불우한 사람은 모두 우리들의 책임일 것이라네. 나는 밥상을 대할 때마다 몹시 부끄러워 음식을 먹어도 목에 넘어가지 않으니, 빨리 오시게. 오기만 한다면 비록 이 일로 내가 비방을 받는다 해도 나는 전혀 개의치 않을 것이네."  ― <여이여인與李汝仁> 1608년 1월 허균이 공주목사로 부임한 이후 이재영에게 부친 편지

뿐만 아니라 계축옥사 당시 거사를 일으켰던 일곱 명의 서자들 역시 허균과 각별한 사이였다. 이들이 활동한 문경새재는 『홍길동전』에 나오는 활빈당의 주요 무대이기도 하다. 이러한 연관성으로 인해 홍길동전 집필 시기를 계축옥사 전후로 추측하기도 한다. 

 
형님은 빠지십시오. 저희 모두 형님과 알고 지낸 걸 부인할 겁니다. 
저희야 힘없는 서자들이니 이런 개죽음을 피할 수 없겠죠. 
허나 형님은 다르지 않습니까. 형님까지 엮을 수는 없습니다. 
닥쳐라 이 자식아. 
그럼 나더러 피붙이같은 너희들을 모른 척 하라는 거냐. 나 혼자 살라고?

결국 계축옥사의 관련자들은 처형되거나 유배되는데, 허균은 직접적 연관성이 드러나지 않아 목숨을 부지한다. 이후 그는 당시 최고 권력자였던 이이첨의 편에 서서 적극적으로 대북파에 가담한다. 스스로를 빗대 '불여세합(不與世合)', 즉 세상과 화합하지 못한다고 평하기도 할 만큼 우여곡절을 많이 겪었던 허균이 정권과 밀착하기 시작한 것이다.

 
그러니 저를 어좌에 앉혀보시라니까요. 
이씨만 왕을 해쳐먹으라는 법이 있답니까.

그러나 허균이 말년에 세상과 타협하는 법을 배우게 된 것인지, 혁명을 꿈꾸는 속내를 감추고 광해군에게 접근한 것인지 그 진의를 확인할 틈도 없이 계축옥사 5년 후 그는 비참한 최후를 맞이하게 된다. 그 사이 허균은 광해군의 신임을 얻기도 하지만, 인목대비 등에 지나친 강경론으로 중신들의 반발을 샀다.

결국 1618년, 실록에 그의 이름이 무려 185건 등장할 만큼 조정은 허균에 관한 논쟁으로 들끓었고 또 그만큼 빠르게 그의 운명이 결정지어졌다. 역모죄로 몰린 허균은 스스로 그 죄를 인정하지 않았음에도 단시간 내에 능지처참에 처해진 것. 인목대비 폐출 논쟁에서 허균과 갈등을 빚었던 기자헌조차도 그의 죽음에 대해 "예로부터 형신(刑訊, 죄인의 정강이를 때리며 캐묻던 일)도 하지 않고 결안(結案, 사형할 죄로 결정한 문서)도 받지 않은 채 단지 공초(供招, 조선 시대에 죄인이 범죄 사실을 진술하던 일)만 받고 사형으로 나간 죄인은 없었으니 훗날 반드시 이론이 있을 것이다."라고 언급할 만큼 단시간내에 예외적으로 내려진 처결이었다.
 
기생을 관아에 끌어들이거나 유교 사회에서 승려처럼 불경을 외는 등의 이유로 수차례 파직을 당하고, 실록에는 "사람됨이 경망하다.", "형편없다." 등 비난 일색의 기록만이 남아 있는 허균은 요즘의 시각에서도 '괴짜'라는 말이 가장 잘 어울리는 인물이었다. 실제 그가 역성혁명을 꿈꾸었는지는 확인할 수 없지만 서얼이나 기생 등 당시의 비주류와도 기꺼이 벗이 되었던 열린 마음과 더 나은 세상을 꿈꾸었던 호기로운 자세만큼은 당시의 조선에서 분명한 혁명가의 모습이었던 것. 또한 조선 왕조가 끝날 때까지 재평가받지 못한 채 역적으로 남아 있어야 했던 그의 존재 자체가 조선 사회에서는 받아들여질 수 없었던 그의 사상과 행적을 의미한다고 볼 수 있지 않을까.

 

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[gerrytan8063]

The band that Princess Jeongmyeong is wearing in her forehead when she is wearing her hair in topknot (Sangtu, 상투) is called the Mangeon (망건,網巾), it is place around the head to secure the "Gat" (Joseon men brimmed hat) in place. It is made out of horse hair & the material of its Gwanja (관자,貫子 - the band buttons at the sides) & pungjam (풍잠,風簪, a button that is in front of the forehead when wearing the gwan -관, headgear) marked the social class of the wearer

[SMP567]

@gerrytan8063

 And I assume the similar meaning of the hair decoration for women...

 

 

[gerrytan8063]

@gerrytan8063

Whenever you have time ( it's quite long..), would you mind sharing with us briefly what it says below?  And what does Heo Gyun's last word to the King mean?

Thank you.
 

 

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I thought that Episode 20 already been eng sub

It tells on how Heo Gyun had great social aspiration but was deem to fail. it is easy to come up with theory but it is harder to put down to practice

The tales of Hong Gil Do was the first Hangeul novel to address social disparity of the times

The Hangeul book in print is "Water Margin" (수호전,水滸傳). The novel written in the Ming Dynasty set in the Song Dynasty also address social disparity

Then it tells about the life & times of Heo Gyun & Joseon nobility & commoners (반상,班常) which already given in brief (remember in page 77)

As for his charges of treason, he never admitted but dies a tragic death

 

[SMP567]

That was ep. 20 ?   I thought it was more info about Heo Gyun's death.

Sorry about that.  Please disregard it.   

[SMP567]

@gerrytan8063

Thank you so much.  So the class-free and corruption-free society that Heo Gyun dreamed of was not realistic from the beginning. It only existed in his novel, the Tale of Hong gil dong...

Since Heo Gyun never admitted to the accusation, there might be the possibility that he was not totally guilty?...

[SMP567]

At the beginning of Ep 20 after Haw yi saved the Bureau of Weaponry and collapsed outside, the King was letting ' the cat out of the bag'.
The royal physician for a mere sulfur technician?
 

[gerrytan8063]

At the beginning of Ep 20 after Haw yi saved the Bureau of Weaponry and collapsed outside, the King was letting ' the cat out of the bag'.
The royal physician for a mere sulfur technician?
 

Hwa Yi is seen important to Gwanhaegun, after all Hwa Yi is the gunpowder expert (jang in,장인,匠人)

[valsava]

Well after watching ep 20 I kind of understand why GW let KJS live but it's a very dangerous move even though he could kill him at anytime GW wants to kill his power and his gain his power attach to the Ming court it's a good move very bold but highly dangerous anytime you have the cat cornered he will come out fighting stronger them before so let's see if GW will be able to weaken him.. I think Iw will take over just to gain the princess to be his wife Jw lags to much and he will loose even if Iw have to kill his own friend to get what he wants he will stop at nothing to accomplish this..

@valsava  What upper hand did the King have and use to suppress Kang Joo Seon before letting him walk out of the palace?

@SMP567, It's all related to the incident regarding the princess and her brother but if he kill him he would have to kill his his hit woman and hit man..  It's revealing everybody involved in the scandalous plot but KJS could only be exiled if this happens he just set the stage in motion it was the others that did the killing for him..   

[valsava]

I'm more interested in GW and the court hit woman conversation..  Also since when could the hit woman can grant post to the doctors she to the underling doctor she could make him a royal physician.. So looking forward to see how things turn out next week will Gw let it slide again she tried to kill the princess again will he really be able to weaken KJS power..    

@valsava   Let's see... Between Gae Shi and Yi Chum, they poisoned the ex-king ( Gwanghae's father), had Prince Imhae drink poison ( Gwanghae's elder brother ), aborted Gwanghae's concubines, killed the ex-prime minister Lee Deok Hyung, killed the Grand Prince, tried to kill the Princess once and latest, poisoned her...
She has basically killed Gwanghaegun's family one by one!
Not sure how many of those are facts, and how many are fictions. 
Let's say just for the drama.
How far will Gai Si go with her murderous manipulation especially with the attempt to kill the Princess?
And just how far will the King let her get away with it?

 

 

@SMP567,   That's the big question how far will GW let her go 

[thegoldbug]

This may have already been said so forgive me if I'm repeating someone, regarding Court Lady Kim (Hit Woman), is it possible she's just a relative from his mother's side of the family.  His mother was Lady Kim (Gongbin), a concubine (according to the wikipedia page regarding the actual Gwanghaegun).

[valsava]

This may have already been said so forgive me if I'm repeating someone, regarding Court Lady Kim (Hit Woman), is it possible she's just a relative from his mother's side of the family.  His mother was Lady Kim (Gongbin), a concubine (according to the wikipedia page regarding the actual Gwanghaegun).

@thegoldbug,   I never thought of that interesting theory 

[gerrytan8063]

If you think that Kim Gae Shi & Yi Yi Cheom goes on a "killing spree" on Gwanghaegun relative/threat, Injo personally did his that surpasses even them put together

Injo kills his Crown Prince Sohyeon (possible of filicide as it was condone in Confucian moral standard in the case of a disobedient son).

Injo resentment toward his Crown Prince Sohyeon family especially the Crown Princess Minhoe of Gang was exacerbate by his favourite Consort Jo Gwi In (Injo version of Kim Gae Shi)

Crown Princess Minhoe of Gang was sentence to death by poison on falsified charges that she attempt to poison Injo in his food

Injo almost exterminated Crown Princess Minhoe of Gang family

Injo sent her 4 brothers to exile then later execute Crown Princess Minhoe of Gang mother & her 2 brothers & choose to eliminate Crown Princess Minhoe of Gang's 3 sons with Crown Prince Sohyeon (Injo own grandsons), first through exile later sentence to death by poison, only the youngest son manage to survive the ordeal

When reading Injo reign.....you only have factional politics, intrusion of domestic political consideration into military strategies (2 Manchu Invasion, Yi Gwal uprising), a disastrous adoption of a hostile foreign policies towards the Manchu, just when the Manchu was at the height of they "might" (really asking for trouble),

Injo to be bestowed "In" (仁  which means benevolence) to his temple name is really indeed a joke

[gerrytan8063]

This may have already been said so forgive me if I'm repeating someone, regarding Court Lady Kim (Hit Woman), is it possible she's just a relative from his mother's side of the family.  His mother was Lady Kim (Gongbin), a concubine (according to the wikipedia page regarding the actual Gwanghaegun).

 

@thegoldbug,   I never thought of that interesting theory 

Kim is a very common surname in Korea

There is a saying in Korea, if you throw a stone off Namsan, you bound to hit a person with the surname Kim or Yi (Lee)

[thegoldbug]

@gerrytan8063 LOL you are so correct, it seems like half of the Korean people I went to school with had the surname Kim...I was just trying to think logically why he might literally be letting her get away with murder (other than he's painted himself into a corner so to speak).