☆ 2 P M ★ Official Thread ☆

[Guest eggplant]

I don't get the influx of Taec-haters in the fandom ._.''

Judging from the comments on omonatheydidnt.lj / 2od/ allkpop/ soompi, some of the hate that is being directed towards the known perpetrators of Jay's delayed return to 2pm (aka JYPE, media etc) has overflowed to Taec.

Why should he receive all these hate? He worked equally hard as well, pushing himself to his limits all the time. Surely we wont forget how he had to perform Ear's Candy when he had just undergone throat surgery?

1.

As what Junho the emperor has said, popularity is seasonal. Khun shone during 10/10 era, Jay got attention for his abs, why should Taec get all the hate now? Is it because he’s unlucky enough for his popular season to start during the ‘sensitive era’? I hope fans won’t bash Junho for ‘stealing his hyung’s limelight’ when it is his turn to shine. -.-

2.

Some fans have been complaining that they are tired of seeing Taec’s body. Let’s be logical, do you seriously think Taec VOLUNTEERED to strip? Jay specifically said he doesn’t like to take off his top. He did anyway, in various occasions, because circumstances (PDs/ JYPE/ Cheorographers) pressurized him to do so. What makes you think Taec is different from Jay?

3.

What’s the difference between:

”Taec-is-cocky-so-we-have-to-bash-him-to-bring-him-to-his-senses.”

”Park Jaebeom-bashes-Korea-on-the-internet-so-he-ought-to-be-taught-a-lesson.”

To think those people can actually lament about the unfairness that Jay has to deal with. Hyprocrites -.-

4.

‘Taec is becoming popular at the expense of Jay. He doesn’t care about Jay anymore.’

Taec and Jay are brothers. Taec followed Jay to the airport (check out the airport fancams) and protected him till the end. Just because the ONEDAY dudes are smiling doesn’t mean that they are happy without Jay -.- They are just being professionals.

In other words, i think that the Taec-Hate within Hottests is extremely uncalled for, even if the fan is a boycotter. (i don’t claim that there is any correlation between the two though, because i don’t know much..)

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i am neutral towards girlcotting (hehe) and i cant wait for Jay to be back! i wrote this just because i find the recent Taec-Haterade extremely disconcerting x.x

True 2PM and 2AM fans will LOVE WITH RESPECT because that’s what Leadja advocates right?

[ginagan]

I don't get the influx of Taec-haters in the fandom ._.''

4.

‘Taec is becoming popular at the expense of Jay. He doesn’t care about Jay anymore.’

Taec and Jay are brothers. Taec followed Jay to the airport (check out the airport fancams) and protected him till the end. Just because the ONEDAY dudes are smiling doesn’t mean that they are happy without Jay -.- They are just being professionals.

True 2PM and 2AM fans will LOVE WITH RESPECT because that’s what Leadja advocates right?

hi, sorry to cut your post...

i just wanna ask which fancam did u see taec following Jay to the airport?

from what i have read and seen 5 months ago, none of the boys were there are the airport when JaeBeom left...

the person that accompanied Jaebeom when he left was their dance choreographer...

[Guest thu_trang]

this is extremely offensive borderline anti-fan material

performance: I feel the ENERGY. Why? Those "gyrating and pulsing hips" actually requires a lot of power to do and if you are weak, you will fail at those moves. Try doing those moves by yourself.

technique: yes, this is the group that has been practicing dances for over 2 years. Not every group out there can do acrobatics right after doing those exhausting hip moves.

choreography: imo this year's performance actually shows them as a group. Last year's Low, all the spotlight was on Jay and other members were just like backup dancers for Jay. this time each member has time to shine. So the choreography actually highlights the group's stage dynamics.

I am officially furious at these kind of comments.

This is 2PM's thread. You don't come here to say those insulting words. Try going to other threads and talk with that tone and you'll get the troll tag pasted all over your post.

i think u need to calm down , b4 anything , each person is entitled to their own opinion , if yeni doesnt feel or see the things that u do , it is not her fault , who said if this is a 2pm's thread then u can only love everything that 2pm do ???

there r things called constructive critism , u take it or leave it , we dont owe to the boys to love every performance they do

fans doesnt always have to see everything that idols do as right , but fans r the ones sticking there even through the wrongs cuz they understand n r willing to give idols room to improve , it doesnt mean that if we dont like one of their perf then we become antis

n why the spotlight last year was on Jay ?? bcuz he ripped his shirt ?? well Taec ripped too ,i think it's time to face the truth here , Jay is the one that has the best stage presence in the group , whether u love him or not , it is a fact that u cant deny , if the others has the same thing that Jay has , i dont see any problem why cant the spotlight be on them , if they've got the skill , there r always chances to show it , problem is they have or not

i dont want to argue so if u've got problems wif me , feel free to pm

@edit : n about Taec getting all the hate , u gotta know hate comes wif fame , n honestly i dont see anyone in the group besides taec getting the hate , so why ?? if there's no fire how can there be smoke , if Taec wasnt the one who tick fans off esp during this sensitive time , if he would just stay quite n lay low , would he get all that kind of hate ??

i'm not saying it's ok for those ppl to hate on Taec but they r not totally uncalled 4 either

n for u to blame on 2OD , well shame on u , they r just delivering the news n info , whatever it is they have , they do NOT add or twist words to make anyone look bad , if u dont like it there , u can always choose not to go there , or if u have problems u go there n complain to the mods , does it make u feel nice to go here n bad talk about them just bcuz it is not what u want it to be ??

[Guest shinhdeplol]

with 2AM

C: SBS l omonatheydidnt @ LJ

[Guest Shira_DBSJ]

sorry for cutting your post. actually i'm thinking about the same thing too.

i have read alot of rumors, good & bad stuffs, theories etc etc but i know i would ever ever know about the truth.

that is why i don't bother much about some stuffs.

sure i'm worried reading bad rumors but i think i shouldn't think too much

cos it can be true or false.

yes i was mad about certain things, but the more i think of it, it just.. sigh

what i'm trying to say, believe in what you want to believe.

as much as i want jay to comeback, i just want him to be happy.

i'm still holding onto a thought that he will come back.

but i'm ready for the worst, if he decided (note himself, not the company) to stay in seattle, i'll keep on supporting him.

he deserves to be happy as 2pm member, he deserves to be happy as aom crew and he deserves to be happy as jay park.

regarding taecyeon, i feel bad for him. i think it just because some fans see him wanting the leader position. i wonder how he feels when he reads comments on some sites..

it's okay to discuss, but bashing is a big no no.

unless you stick with them 24/7, you guys will know the truth then.

[Guest cheezychunnie]

eggplant>>>tell me about it...i've been staying away from reading comments

that bash Taec coz i dont wanna get hurt..i support Jay so much but when

Taec was bashed for some stupid reasons on the net..hottest backoff and say nothing

can be said to save Taec..im dissapointed...yes,i want Jay to come back but i feel

its a bit over-reacted to put the blame on Taec...on every single thing that happen...

now,i doubt the 7-1=0 coz not everyone fighting for the same thing...

i was hoping for some matured posters here to backup Taec but i guess most of posters here

thought that Taec deserves all the hatred and we even have the "who-is-the-betrayer" game here...

Taec will always be Taec..i hope Taec will be the last one to get the hatred...i dont want the hatred shifted to any other members...

-edit-

some other poster already post the pic..hehe...

be back if i find any pic

-edit-

100211 SSJG 2PM Cutie Chansung Violent Aegyo To His Hyungs Cam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEqCtU3Wu78

cr:iamkimsora4

@kabler>>>its okay to disscuss but what annoys me is that some of the posters

not discussing but rather accusing...i still remember clearly few pages back when

some of us play "pick-betrayer" game...no evidence what-so-ever people are accusing Taec to be sided with JYPE..that's really unfair...disscussion sould be something to improve the boys' image,skills etc or on how to bring Jay back but "the game" is not a discussion but an accusation....

[Kabler]

Taec is becoming popular at the expense of Jay. He doesn’t care about Jay anymore.’

Taec and Jay are brothers. Taec followed Jay to the airport (check out the airport fancams) and protected him till the end. Just because the ONEDAY dudes are smiling doesn’t mean that they are happy without Jay -.- They are just being professionals.

Last post of the day: The guy with Jay is Namyong (their choreographer). He looks a lot like Teac and has been mistaken for him on a few occasions. None of the boys were there at the airport.

To keep the peace on this forum, I suggest we make our stance but practise tolerance for those whose views do differ from your own. Just as some of you are feeling overly emotional about criticisms to 2PM's latest activities, outbursts, imaging and perceptions and want to move on from the 7 member 2PM and might also find the rants about bringing Jay back as old, please also respect that there's many of us that still feels deeply attached to 7=1 concept and could miscontrue the moving on by some fans to be an utmost betrayal as well.

Max23: 2PM is in transition. With no one knowing whats going to happen with the next album and if Jay is going to be back at all, I feel that the calling out of the "Jaybum remembering" fans and lumping them as whiny and bitter is going to rile up alot of fans instead. If Jay does return, I'm curious to know what will your stance to it be? Would you be angry with him as you do know that fans will likely overcompensate his leaving with an overflowing amt of love and it is almost certain that for a period of time the other boys to be left out of the cold both with fans and the media.

Its a forum. Its a discussion about 2PM. Good and bad, we should learn to be tolerant. Let's not curtail the opinions of others by calling them anti-fans, thats not cool at all. Hypocrisy can be based on many definitions, its just a matter of an opinion and the angle which you are seeing things from.

[Guest excusemoi.]

There's only one thing I really wanna say on this thread. I really wish Jay would come back T.T He was my fav...

[Guest eggplant]

hi, sorry to cut your post...

i just wanna ask which fancam did u see taec following Jay to the airport?

from what i have read and seen 5 months ago, none of the boys were there are the airport when JaeBeom left...

the person that accompanied Jaebeom when he left was their dance choreographer...

choreographer..you mean the guy in black? o.O that's taec, not the cheorographer.... the fancam is not HD but we can kinda tell from his dressing (taec's style: black singlet, black beanier) and built...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncGd6fXnfbw...feature=related <<< taec's face at 1.05

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all right, i read kabler's comments about the cherographer. i m not extremely sure (though the comments on yt say so) that it's taec now but that doesnt really erase the fact that oneday guys are like brothers right? (edit again: vv thanks for clarifying too (: )

Fans on either side (boycott/ anti-boycott) should refrain from bashing Taec or shifting the blame to him or any member too quickly, for that matter. It's just unfair.

Hypocrisy is subjective. So is appropriateness. It's hard to come to a consensus as to how 'antagonising' Taec's cyworld post was.

Bottom line is, perhaps we should not judge so quickly like those who drove Jay away with their harsh words and petitions. It's easy to create a Hate-Meme but we don't want anyone else to undergo the same treatment as Jay, do we? One is enough. (and we all know how much Taec loves the internet...............)

The more trouble fans stir up, the more awkward it will be for them when Leadja returns.. maybe it will be like:

Taec: hyungggg, when you weren't here, the fans hated me!

Leadja: i know right! i m that popular~~

2pm: *silence*

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Sorry for the long winded posts, i didnt know i have so much to write.. (and if anyone is curious, i am pro7 in a rather convoluted way xD )

Everyone is entitled to their opinion/ method to protect the group (pro7 or okay6) .. i wont put the blame on omona/2od/soompi/etc for this trend... Just felt the need to bring some alternative perspective ^.^;;

a few icons to go with the post:

[Guest Soulhead]

choreographer..you mean the guy in black? o.O that's taec, not the cheorographer.... the fancam is not HD but we can kinda tell from his dressing (taec's style: black singlet, black beanier) and built...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncGd6fXnfbw...feature=related <<< taec's face at 1.05

This guy isn't Taec => http://twistedstars.files.wordpress.com/20...a62037-full.jpg

But without this picture i was confused too >_<

[Guest kaylee]

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thanks Soulhead you beat me to it....

choreographer..you mean the guy in black? o.O that's taec, not the cheorographer.... the fancam is not HD but we can kinda tell from his dressing (taec's style: black singlet, black beanier) and built...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncGd6fXnfbw...feature=related <<< taec's face at 1.05

^ that is not taec. none of the boys were at the airport. i don't think jype would allow any of them to be there, hell will break loose. like kabler said that guy with Jay is Namyong (their choreographer). he does look a lilo like taec thats why people are mistaking him for taec.

that video... always brings tears to my eyes.

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gif from the recent bboy vid:

^ what a cute butt move >_<

cr: as tagged or pm me if it is yours and i will cr properly.

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^ phahaha he's sooo cute sticking out his tongue..

[Guest Explicitj0yee]

^ wow that really looks like taec but his muscles seem to be bigger than taec's.. its almost as big as jays which kind of makes me think that that isn't taec.

However, if that really is taec, I like how he waved to Jay at the end. gives me a "see you later" kind of feel.

[Guest mojojoba]

hey guys, watch this! its junho sort of indirectly mentioning 2PM as 7?

Translations are at the side, info!.

haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMRtUadpaE

[Guest viviean]

wow!! I really enjoyed watching their performance last night. it's so sexy and cool.

I noticed chansung the most through the performance. his dance move always got my attention. i don't know why but he isn't my biased

I love his passion,his facial expression during his dance. it's really charismatic.

the most part i really loveeeee and re-watched it again and again is the last 5 sec. i really like chan and woo's shake keke.

I don't know why you guys didn't like it. just watch it for fun. it's not a serious battle.

I kinda understand their concept last night. it's "sexy and make female faint" right? keke

rainbow girls and jung juri seem to really excited and really into it.555

I think the one who created this show was their choreographer (may be park namyong shi) so please don't blame our boys.

it's not their fault that they changed hiphop style to sexy style this year.

and about our rip taec, i think he rip his shirt off cos the choreographer asked him to do. he wasn't willing to rip it first since the inkigayo's performance (the first perf he rip and got the nickname jjit taec) but namyong shi asked him to do so he did it. (just watch 2pm's episode on winwin show tomorrow when namyong shi is guess you guys will know the truth).

and I really do agree with someone said that 2pm is a trend-setter nowadays.

you can see their influence on other boybands.

i didn't mean that they copied 2pm's style but befored 2pm debuted, other boybands(except BB) used pretty boy concept for their album and never have acrobatic move in their perf.

look at nowadays, other boybands try to be beastly idol right?

shinee and u-kiss changed their concept.

mblaq has some random acrobatic moves in oh yeah songs.

beast...umm their name is beast but their song and performance isn't that beastly although i think they're talented. hope next album they will get better song and choreograph.

and i think people in korea like their perf last night cos after dance battle programme finished, "2pm dance battle" was ranked#6 on daum real time issue. (no snsd,suju and other groups were ranked).

and "2pm dance battle" still the hot issue until this afternoon(only 2pm and afterscool were ranked on daum..around#5).

after read many comments about their perf from hottest,it looks like whatever 2pm do these day it doesn't impress hottest anymore.

i agree with you that their perf last night is not as good as when jay dance with them. but at least they try..try to make hottest proud, try to make hottest see their effort,try to make hottest feel happy when they performed,try to make hottest see their new style,try to make hottest see jay's shadow in their perf.

our boys must suffer alot more than us,hottest, when jay left.

you guys might not know this,the night jay left other boys cried alot esp. khun (don't ask me how i know this).

you can't imagine how sad they are.

please stop saying "if jay's there......". other boys are talented too.

esp. taec...looks like nowadays hottest become taec's hater,isn't it?

i agree with you that taec should stop ripping his shirt.he did it too much.

but it's not his fault. he just did it coz choreograher asked him to do (or JYPE's order).

i hope jay will come back soon.i don't want to see hottest divided.i just want us being like the old day.

we were really happy. we laughed,smiled when we watched our boys on variety shows.

i missed that day.

it's not just 7=1 but 7 2pm boys+hottest=1.

i still have faith. i believe that jay will come back.

hope when jay's back,hottest will reunite and we,2pm and hottest,will be 1.

sorry for my poor english.

[Guest eija]

There's only one thing I really wanna say on this thread. I really wish Jay would come back T.T He was my fav...

he will be be back..he will..lets wait patiently oke

there will be 7 of them again..

credit as tagged

[Guest Eltoshen]

I thought people were quoting a picture of Jay and calling him Taec until I noticed the video link, lol.

[Guest vickysaurus]

I saw him (Jaeebeom) on Sunday!

There was a battle last night and I tagged along with my boyfriend. I kinda didn't expect to see him there.... Well girls, this event confirms that Jaebeom is indeed SINGLE! (haha, not that there were any rumors that he was dating) A lot of people were complaining the event was on Valentines day so they couldn't make it because their girlfriends wanted to go out on a date. All the people that did go were the "single people that had no girlfriend or boyfriend." Of course that's not entirely true, since my boyfriend and I went... But Jaebeom, yeah, he's single..... very very very single. hehehe

He wore the AOM shirt again that was given by fans. I think that's their like, OFFICIAL 'uniform' but I could be wrong.

There's a couple more events coming up soon.... If you guys remember the event Fat Laces, I was able to go and they talked about a Haiti benefit show in a week and half. Some of the AOM members confirmed they'd be there, so I'm sure Jay will be there. If I can make it, I'll for sure let you guys know if he's there.

Oh, is it true that he's actually working at BK?! I overheard people talk about that and then I read it here... and I was like NO WAY. NU UH. THAT BOY DOES NOT DESERVE THAT.

And to add:

Really now? FIGHTING OVER A DANCE BATTLE?

Not to be rude, but that's pathetic.... It seems at this thread, people are always finding things to bicker about. remember girls: LOVE & RESPECT! :]

What a cutieeee

[Guest ne_ne]

I just wanted to satisfy my curiosity and found the original performance of Chris Brown "Take You Down".

You all can see the choreography is just the same although our 2PM boys are way hotter then Chris Brown himself. (My opinion only).

It is a very sensual dance and song so if you want to watch:

"Chris Brown - Take You Down"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3toH1Mw0bdU

So who won 2PM or Chris Brown ????? LOL!!!!!

[Guest pyrolicious]

I read the posts first then I saw their dance for that dance battle thingy. Why are people trippin out for!? I enjoyed it and thought they did a great job. I didn't mind that they gave some sex appeal. About taec ripping off his shirt, I really think he was told to do so, if not that he got caught in the moment and thats ok too. Perhaps, the reaction would have been different if jay were there, if he was the one who ripped his shirt, but he's not and I'm not about to hate on the boys because of that.

I understand that fans are feeling hurt, angry, frustrated, sad etc but it's unfair that the other 2pmers should receive some of that frustration. I'm pretty sure teac knows all the negativity towards him, that boy is always online. Unless he can't read he should be aware by now. I hope hottest can direct their anger towards JYPE and those immature netizens that started it all. I remember all that teac bashing from like 2 weeks ago.......my reaction: O.O

It seems like no matter what 2pm does now, it doesn't impress fans as much or at all. Its sad that 2pm will live under jay's shadow, for god knows how long. *sigh*

[Guest yum-O]

You know I'm really sad to read some people sayin' 2PM will live under Jay's shadow. To me, 2PM is just another JYP's talented group. Individually, every member is very talented but sadly, all of them are pretty much JYP's puppets. (sorry if this would sound offensive). They all have been rigorouly trained and worked very hard. All of them are given all opportunities in the world and the sky is limit for them. To me, 2PM with or without Jay is still 2PM. But 2PM with Jay is like 2PM with steroid, if that makes sense?? LOL. IMO, Jay has shifted 2PM's coolness and energy to the level above any other Korean boy groups, but without him 2PM is still extremely popular and well received not only in Korea but in many countries. I believe Jay is coming back soon so please be patient.

I see Taec's haters are growing these days. Not sure why but I hope hottests would remember that Jay's character is so unique, so no one would ever replace him. I'm pretty sure Taec also agrees with that. Yes, I'm a Taec's fan, but to be honest with you, I can't help but laughing every time when I see him ripping off his shirt. but well, I'm not kind of person who my nose will go bloody when seeing men's muscular body anyway. Character, personality and hard working are main qualities to make me root for a star. I admit lately, Taec and some of his behaviors also have annoyed me in some degrees, so I hope he'll learn from his mistakes.

OK, I heard from Khunnie's fan account that he was asked by fans during his Phuket's trip which member he feels jealous the most??. No surprise, he responded "Jay, because he has a perfect body" Fans then asked him if he misses Jaebuem? He didn't say anything just smiling. Khunnie may know Jay is coming back soon. Don't you agree??

EDITED: The Last Time by Khunnie.

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