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I'm all caught up to the latest episode (w/English trans) and I like this drama a lot. But omigod there are so many strings that are running through this story that all have to be attached at the ending! Of course there is the main love triangle of Ma Hoon - Gae Ttong - Lee Soo and how that will be resolved. But the new king also has a lovely courtesan lady by his side who is helping him - what happens with her? There is the secondary love story of Do Joon and the aristocratic woman (Lady Kang), Gae Ttong and her long lost but now severely mentally challenged brother plus all the palace intrigue - yikes! So much going on it's hard to keep track of it all. It does seem like all the principles are caught up in a web of back stories and intrigue that will affect them all in the end. I've got this sneaking suspicion in the back of my mind that Gae Ttong will end up being a noble woman, either by birth but hidden like Lee Soo or by adoption by the mysterious Lord Yun. Either way, I think she will get her wish. The plot is good, the script is good (although it sometimes gets off track and has its silly moments) the acting is very good and it is handsomely filmed. I've heard the ratings are also very good. Luvtokki gives 2 thumbs up!

I've finally been able to watch up to episode 4 now, and I have to say I like it. You ladies are probably all swooning over all the flower boys in the drama, but as a man this does nothing for me. I'll have to say I appreciate Kim Min Jae (who reminds me of Yeo Jin Goo - he even has the voice) and his acting he is doing a good job. Also, Seo Ji Hoon had me interested in him at the beginning, and I was rooting for him and miss Dog Poop (really?) at the start but once he became king he faded into the background while the other side of the triangle (Ma Hoon + Gae Ttong) developed. The "Original Queer Eye" guy Go Young Soo was irritating at first, he was soooo swishy it was uncomfortable to watch, but his character is growing on me. Gong Seung Yeon is also doing well. This is the type of part she does so well. The ugly duckling who turns into a swan. The low born, unsophisticated, sassy girl who lives on her wits with the heart of gold. You know she's going to sway Ma Hoon's hard heart and turn him into a pile of mush. I just don't know how many times she will have to clumsily fall into his arms to make that happen? And you know Lee Soo is going to recruit Ma Hoon to set him up with Gae Ttong. Big trouble for all involved. The production is good, nicely filmed, although the editing is sometimes choppy from scene to scene. It's easy to watch, and has a nice balance between palace intrigue and the lighter, comedic side. The one scene that got me as exceedingly sweet yet sexy was the "hair ribbon scene". When Ma Hoon let her hair loose and was sweeping the hair away from her ears - well, it made me all tingly inside. I hope for more scenes like that! @Table122000 - thank you, again! Hello to @USAFarmgirl - is this unpopular and underrated? Doesn't matter if you enjoy it, so enjoy!

Is there anywhere else besides Viki that you are watching this? The English subs are way too slow...and I don't want to watch just the raw. Anyone? Otherwise I'll just wait until a good number are subbed. Thanks!

Welll......I dunno. Only watched the 1st episode w/o full English subtitles. Kinda hard to figure out what's going on. The guys are all very pretty. Gong Seung Yeon is always pretty (it is still her eyes..and her voice) and she plays this Pygmalion/My Fair Lady/rags to riches/feisty girl part very well. Does her name really mean Dog Poop in Korean? This guy Kim Min Jae could be Yeo Jin Goo's younger brother, he's even got the voice. It seems to bounce back and forth from serious drama to silly rom-com. It hasn't found its balance yet. Don't know if it will. It hasn't grabbed me with anything special yet....except to watch GSY again!

I cannot lie, I am here to support Gong Seung Yeon. I have watched her dramas since My Lovely Girl and have fallen in love with her sincere grace and honesty in everything she does. Being male, I don't care so much about the Flower Boys in this drama as long as they can act and treat my Seungyeonie well. From what I've read, the initial reviews of the first episode have been good! This seems like it should be a light-hearted and fun rom-com. I'm looking forward to it! I hope this will be another good drama for Gong Seung Yeon. She is playing another tomboyish part which fits her well! Shout out to my best friend, USAFarmgirl! Welcome to this thread!

Next JTBC drama for Seungyeon - https://www.soompi.com/article/1317475wpp/gong-seung-yeon-confirmed-to-join-park-ji-hoon-kim-min-jae-and-more-in-upcoming-historical-romantic-comedy A Joseon era rom-com - sounds interesting and I know our Gong Seungyeonie will kill it! Hang in there folks - the future is not ours to see - que sera, sera!

Well, there comes a time when all good things must end...... I was hoping for a much happier ending, but oh well! I came to K-pop in 2010 through my daughter who was into dance and had discovered SNSD. She enjoyed their complicated and technically perfect dance routines. She also started following K-pop in general and followed many different K-pop groups. I also came to appreciate SNSD - not only their dancing and singing but also their wholesome image. I thought this was a good group of young girls presenting a strong, wholesome image for my daughter to emulate. This led me to WGM (Yongseo) when SNSD's maknae Seohyun went on the program. Which introduced me to Jung Yong Hwa and CNBlue whose talent and music I also enjoyed. I joined the Yongseo Soompi forum and shipped Yongseo, for most of 5 years. Another exciting time with that thread exploding with comments and blogs and news about them every day. I discovered the power of the internet and blogs but also how people from all over the world and from different walks of life could communicate and share ideas respectfully and with shared love for a Korean couple they have never met. I made many friends and enjoyed posting my thoughts and reading the thoughts and feelings of others. It was eye-opening for me. I also followed K-pop news and began watching Korean dramas. I learned about Korean customs, history and culture. My daughter and I would have lively discussions about Korea, K-pop and Yongseo. Just as Yongseo was winding down for me, along came Gonglee. And the same thing began to happen. This Soompi forum exploded with followers from all over the world, a support network was created for communications and a dedicated team of translators (the awesome B.E.S.T.) painstakingly translated every episode into English. Many moderators came and went, but this thread had its own life and others stepped in to support it. Gonglee Global was created. And again I was awed by how love for a couple in Korea could drive so much love and understanding for people from around the world. I was thrilled to see this thread reach 2000 pages and go into a second thread. I was thrilled to see our couple win many surveys and jump to the top of favorite WGM couples. It was a great gift to us for them to come together again and give us MOLS. And then this latest news hit. And suddenly all our hopes and dreams for our couple ceased. Even the great joy and triumphs we faced together on this thread are all tarnished by this one reckless, thoughtless and despicable act. I will always hope and pray for the best for Jonghyun and Seungyeon. For Jonghyun, I hope he realizes what he threw away by following his dark path. How his great talents are now wasted. I feel he destroyed the chance for a good relationship with Seungyeon. For the other members of CNBlue, I hope they recover from this and continue to make their beautiful music together. For Seungyeon I hope she is successful and happy in her career and someday will meet a good man with a good heart who makes her complete. For all of you here and for those who come in the future, I wish you the best that life can provide. All the health and happiness to all of you. When you read these pages in this thread, read them in the context they were created, with love and respect for all, and in the support of 2 lovely and talented people in Korea who made us fall in love along with them and fall in love with them. Understand the happiness that falling in love can bring to the world, and how people from all over the world, different cultures, different languages, different religions, men and women from all ages (a mini United Nations, if you will) came together and shared our hearts and minds for a common good. Our own little piece of heaven, our own little Camelot. If only we all could always be this understanding and loving - then the world's problems would melt away and only peace, love and joy would remain. For me, I will probably lurk quietly in the background for awhile. Then, I think I will put all of this behind me - except for the wonderful memories of the past 9 years. Thank you from the bottom of my heart - and God be with you all!

The internet and netizens are exploding the charges against Jonghyun way out of proportion. The only thing he has been proven doing is participating in the Kakao website (a private chatroom with his friends), viewing the films of women having sex without their knowledge of being filmed, making crude and demeaning comments about women and claiming to have consensual sex. There is nothing illegal here. Immoral, yes! There is no proof of him doing any filming, distributing the films, having non consensual sex or having sex with minors. I'm not supporting him in any of this. What he did was despicable, immoral and hurtful to his fans, his family, the members of CNBlue, his company FNC, his friends and work associates and the women he used sexually. He is almost 30 years old and should be responsible for his demeaning actions toward women. His career in entertainment is most probably over as it should be. What really bothers me is - was this all going on while he was with Seungyeon in WGM or MOLS. I can't believe she knew any of this was going on because she was certainly into him during the time of WGM through the end of MOLS. At some point they obviously made a point of distancing themselves from each other in social media. Was this because she found out? It makes me wonder if they had worked out as a couple if he would have gone down this road. With a good woman by his side like Seungyeon would he have fallen into the temptation of needing the comfort of easy women supplied to him by JJY? Did he see what everyone else around him was doing and said - why not me? Is this behavior so inbred in K-pop and Korean culture that he didn't see anything wrong with it, because everyone else was doing it? Not only his friends an other idols in K-pop, but studio execs, CEOs and chaebols who abused their money and power by demeaning women? At some point in his life he decided that going down this road with these friends was the way he wanted to live his life vs. the clean and wholesome life he was leading while he was dorming with his CNBlue brothers earlier in his career. I don't think Jonghyun was always this way and I don't think he was this way with Seungyeon. I feel he was a gentleman with Suengyeon, and even enjoyed being a 'good husband' to her. I think she was a good influence on him. But when "they" were over, whenever that happened, he chose this road of immorality and degradation. Was the timing of CNBlue's and his military service an attempt by FNC to have them all out of circulation before this news broke, and hopefully they'll come back after it has all blown over and is forgotten? Wouldn't be surprised if this is true. These are things I ponder and worry about, probably to no avail because we'll never know. I think I will watch WGM and MOLS one more time and dream about how things might have been if they had stayed together. And then I will close the book on this part of my life forever and move on to happier and better things.

I think we all need a group hug and a group cry. Of all the ways I thought this would end - this is the most shocking! I don't understand how someone of JH's "idol" status, in spite of his tremendous talent and good looks and fame could stoop to this level of perversion and disrespect for women. He could have had any good woman he wanted - why? But let's not loose sight of the fact that WE, all the Brownies, WE created something lovely and endearing here in this Soompi forum. WE fell in love with a couple of people who fell in love - and then created more love right here. WE did this, no matter how old, what race WE came from, what religion WE believed in, boys and girls, men and women, all together WE created an international community with one purpose and goal. That is something to be immensely proud of. There is no shame on us - it all belongs on JH. And even though it looks bad for him, let's not jump to conclusions and throw hate and anger his way too soon. Let the facts roll out about his involvement - and then judge. And then after you've judged - forgive. And pray that he learns from this and becomes a better person. Pray and wish well to his family and CNBlue members. Pray for SY that she will not be dragged down with him. And for all of US - I hope we get by this without too much damage to our hearts and psyches. In this day and age it is hard to find solace and comfort in any news from around the world. It is hard to find good leaders and good people to emulate and follow. Keep your faith in God and faith in the good side of human nature - good will prevail and our hearts WILL heal. I'm not going anywhere - I will still come hear and check for news and updates and if any of you want to talk offline my inbox is available if you want to commiserate or need a pep talk. Keep your heads up, Brownies, and be proud of the thread WE created for love!

Damn....I really don't know how to react to all this. Our Jonghyun has taken everything that was lovely and beautiful about this forum and our love and support for him and just dragged it through the mud and stomped on our hearts. I'm hoping that the despicable comments he made on JJY's chatroom were just male boasting and "locker room" talk that boys and men indulge in (in private) and there were no actions behind the talk, but I'm doubting it. Even so, if he knew what JJY was doing - and he still remained friends and participated in the comments - then he is still guilty by association and for not saying or doing anything to stop it. I hope our Seungyeon is not dragged into this, I hope she was not hurt or can be hurt by JH's actions. I see Jung Yoo Mi has already been dragged in for being JJY's partner on WGM many years ago. I hope SY is free and clear of any harm!

Knock, knock! Anybody home? Nobody is updating this thread anymore? It's a shame to come this far and let our love and support for YongSeo wither on the vine. After - has it been - 9 years? Here's some news. YongHwa is now in the army. The Special Forces - just like his character San Ma Roo in his best drama ever - The Package. And he is doing well. He has just been promoted to Corporal. His enlistment should be finished by late 2019. Seohyun, in her recent fan meeting in Japan mentioned "Jung Yong Hwa oppa" - from the YongSeo International Chat: During post-it question corner Seohyun picked "Who was the one who taught me the guitar for the first time?" Seohyun: WGM Jung Yonghwa oppa, afterwards I got taught by the guitar teacher and practiced a lot!" Not Jung Yong Hwa-ssi, Jung Yong Hwa OPPA! and....no mention of Jungmo oppa. After 9 years she remembered that YongHwa was the first to teach her guitar. She finally mentioned WGM & Yong Hwa in public. This is quite the event!

@USAFarmgirl - knowing I've made you smile with my simple words makes my day! @jazmecu - your detailed and exhaustive research on our couple is awe-inspiring. Keep up the good work. I like reading your thoughts and discoveries. Don't worry about your writing not being understood, you write well. I, too, believe that while they were on WGM they were in love. But I also believe that they became very busy after WGM, with JH on tour with CNBlue and SY filming 6 Flying Dragons, and then one series after another for her, that maybe they could not keep in contact as much as they would like. Sometimes relationships suffer when there is no contact. Sometimes one person feels slighted and becomes disappointed and angry because the other person in the relationship is busy. I think this happened with them for awhile. This was probably JH's 'sad time' that you noticed. But then came My Only Love Song. And, despite the risk of stirring the angry pot of JH's unreasonable fans and the bad feelings that could have developed toward SY, and the risk to SY's career as an actress, they both jumped into MOLS without a second thought. This told me the feelings they had for each other on WGM were strong enough for them to take the risk and plunge into co-starring in a series together. And MOLS was pure magic. The old fire was back, the sparks flew between them, the confortable co-existence they showed on WGM had never left. And, they seemed to have carte blanche as far as what they could express with the script. Everything they couldn't do or didn't have the time to do on WGM they did on MOLS because they could hide behind the excuse "we were just acting, it was all written in the script, we were just following the director's instructions." UH-HUH! SURE! We know the truth is in the kisses....those long, hot, kisses. Like no other Korean drama kisses. Everyone who participated in MOLS noticed how close they were, and how much fun they had being together again. That, to me, proved more than anything they did on WGM that they were committed to being in a long-term relationship. I hope and pray once JH returns from his mandatory enlistment, they will re-ignite their love together again!

Even though it's a little sad to be closing out the first thread, it's good to know that all our love and all our thoughts about JH & SY during the time they were together on WGM and through MOLS and beyond have been recorded and kept here for all Brownies new and old to enjoy and reminisce about those times. Many thanks to @GongLee Global for picking up the mantle of carrying on with this second thread. Also to @Aileen4ever and @USAFarmgirl for keeping this thread alive with bright pictures and loving commentary. Hello to @sarangbit - after so long, welcome back! I'm thinking of this as "phase 2" of their love story. Onward and into the future! And to all new Brownies who have discovered them either through WGM, MOLS, Youtube or whatever - read these pages carefully and with love, and realize the magic created by 2 beautiful, young people who fell in love years ago - and impacted the hearts and minds of so many people from around the world. Truly, love can heal the world and bring it closer together! We welcome all who wish to comment and share their hearts here - this is a place of love and warmth.

Above spoiler is possibly totally untrue.....I'm only curious about something stated in a post on gsyinternational ... I haven't heard or seen anything to verify the veracity of this person's statement. Just putting this out there to see if anybody has heard or read anything about it? My apologies, @Aileen4ever! @jazmecu - Welcome back, and thank you for all the great posts about their awesome moments!

We are probably all going to be busy in the coming holidays - so here is my wish - MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR to all during this holiday season. Yeah, it's going to be slow going for awhile with JH in the army, but we still have our lovely SY to track and give news about ...and ... HOPEFULLY 2019 will give us good news about them once JH completes his service obligation. HOPE and PRAY for their continued health and happiness and continue to support them in all their activities! AND here's wishing our continued success as we enter a NEW YEAR and our NEW 2ND THREAD here at Soompi, after completing our 1ST 2000 pages...YAY!