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@riaelfishy: Normally, I would welcome you with an open arm to this thread since you are a new shipper. However, you have mentioned that you have been a long reader of this thread, then you should know that you should not have mentioned something that is irrelevant in this thread! I have flag both of your posts, and I hope you would refrain from mentioning other couple that is no related to LT or Sora in this tread to prevent unnecessary fan war! And I will flag every posts that doesn't have to do with our couple whether you are a supporter or not.
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@fateukso, I'll follow your advice but allow me the right to say one more thing. Thank you for putting up with it, because quite frankly, I am still upset with that person's intention.
To the person who came in here to disrupt the order in this thread, and to all Fighting Dimples and Teukso supporter, I apologize for the long post I am about to post.
Since a while ago, @hanyi has asked when have this thread start restricting people's right to freedom of speech? It was when questions in regarding to Teukso's validity was posted, and flags were used profoundly on these posts. George Washington once said that, "If freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silence we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter." After @hanyi's question was posted, we were reminded that everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, whether we agree with it or not, and if we were to flag these opinions, it means that we are not being objective enough to criticism. It also means that our faith in Teukso is so weak that if other people question their authenticity, we couldn't argue back without flagging them. Because of this reason, we have stop flagging post but have resort to using objective/subjective analysis to support our shipping of this couple.
For every members who have came here to question Teukso's authenticity, they have came in here with only that intention. Their intention, although different from us, was purely out of their own belief that their couple is correct. For that, their action is understandable and we should keep an open mind to their opinion and continue to defend our position with positive and objective analysis. Now, in the present day, a person have came in here to degrade LT, not because he or she didn't believe in Teukso, but is because he or she is using him as a method to retaliate against an injustice that he or she felt we have done to his or her idol. The intention is purely vindictive and malicious.
The injustice, as he or she had claim, is not entirely true. In fact many have voiced support for his or her idol, but he or she still insisted to hurt us by degrading LT's integrity. Such dogmatic viewpoint is the bigotry that causes discords and deaths in history, because when a person refuses to see the whole picture and adapts a selective hearing process, it causes unnecessary misconceptions and hatred amongst the participants.
This person have invaded our thread and have broke our thread rules. In page 1, it stated that: Rule #1: Do love and support Teukso. Also, Rule #4: Use spoiler if it is not related to Teukso. We know, from his or her post, that the main intention of this person's post is to support his or her idol, hence he or she had broke these two rules. Also, we have every right to flag this person because this person has broke a Soompi Rule. Rule #3: No Celebrity Bashing. By bashing LT, he or she has broke not only the rule in this thread, but has broke the forum rule as well.
So...as @fateukso stated, any post that is posted by this person should be ignored. It should be flagged if all these rules are broken (especially Soompi's rule). But we will not sink to his or her level. We will not use insult to fight insult. We would not go to his or her thread to bash his or her idol because a fan's action is reflective of the person he or she supports. We will not use hypocrisy to fight hypocrisy.
And we will stay positive because that is one of our rules (Rule #9). With that said, whether Teukso is real or not, the future will tell, but no matter what, we will be supportive of this couple because this is what being a DC supporter and a FD is for. -
@aikoakihiro:
Honestly...honestly, did you read my response to you? If you didn't, here is the link to it. http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/comment/25525776/#Comment_25525776
I want to say several things to you. Number 1, No one is criticizing OYS for falling in love with LJW (which haven't been proven to be true as of yet). 2. No one is focusing on her hurting Lee Joon's feeling. 3. Many of us have supported her on her right to find a person who she loves. In fact, whether OYS is in love or not is no longer an issue that is important to us because we decided to drop that issue a while back (pg. 1042), so why are you bring it back?
Also, it is not our intention to break your thread and cause your thread to be pessimistic, so why are you saying that "by the way I don't want to dissapoint you but Haetnim Unnie or my OYS WGm still continuing and our thread is still has positive atmosphere?" I don't get it. Did we say we want you to be disappointed and unhappy in your thread? Did we go into your thread and invade and talk bad things about OYS like what you are doing to us? Why are you being so disrespectful to us when we are giving you respect? Why are you causing our thread, which has a positive atmosphere prior to you posting negative things that diss LT's integrity, to be upset with you? Did we do that to OYS? Did we go into your thread and do that?
By the way, answer me this. If I want to teach a kid not to hit someone, do I hit them as a punishment? The answer is a clear out no. You don't teach a person to not use violence by using violence as a teaching source. Then why are you dissing LT while trying to tell us to not say anything negative about OYS? Aren't you doing the exact same thing?
Also, don't go and criticize LT when you don't even know enough information about him. There are a lot of ELF in here who knows more information about him than you do. They have watched his shows and even they felt that the way he treats Sora is different from the rest of the girls. So don't say that he is a liar, because you are calling him a liar.
Also, I've already talked about him using Sora as a publicity stunt when he asked her to visit him. If you have really read what we have wrote (given that you said you have been a lurker for a while), then you should have known I've addressed that point. To refresh your memory, I've said this: some might say that LT might have told Sora to come to visit him because he realized that he might gain popularity by associating with Sora given that he won the popularity award. Also, he could be in the limelight (as you stated). However, that argument is wrong. You have forgotten, LT is an idol and many ELF still haven't accepted Sora. In fact, a recent ELF tweeted Sora and told her that she used to like Sora but after Sora kissed LT, she hates Sora. Also, when LT was asking his Singapore audience (during their concert) which Super Junior members do they want to marry, Donghae (I think it was him) said that LT was married (WGM) and that caused an uproar amongst the fans, and LT has to tell them it was fake before they quiet down. What I am trying to say is this, LT has more to lose than to gain by associating with Sora because there are a lot of ELF and Angel who are upset that he called Sora, Sora-ya, and told her to visit him in his acceptance speech. For Super Junior, who is generally disliked by k-netizens, their Korean ELF is so crucial and important to them. He risk losing popularity than gaining from it.
Also, understand that the interview for "The Promise" atmosphere was different from his MBC acceptance speech. Also, remember that there is a different from the honorific address. Hyuna-shii shows he is not in a comfort level in which he can use banmal...hence you can't take his "I love you" literally. As for Sora, he used banmal, hence you can take his invitation to her seriously. As for the kiss, he never kissed Hyuna...he just made the gesture to kiss her and that was that. He wanted to stir up Eyunhyuk. Sora was the only girl he kissed, naturally (not that pepperro kiss in which Kyunhyun kicked him ),in public television. ELF can confirm it (and correct me if I am wrong ELF).
And finally, can we accept that Sora and LT are just friends? I've already said this and the answer is a clear out "yes." People have told you, numerous of times that yes, we would be hurt, but we like them as individuals and we would continue to support them. If you really have read our posts instead of just reading what you want, then you should have taken a note on that. You wouldn't come over here and ask this question over and over again.
So...what I am trying to say is this. Have some level of respect for us. We didn't go and disturb your thread, so don't go and disturb our thread. We won't talk about OYS anymore and we wouldn't be talking about her again if you hadn't brought her up again. Don't start unnecessary fan war! I have been civilized with you, but truthfully, my patience is running thin. -
@lennycsn:
This is my intake in regarding to the recent release. First of all, when WGM signed a contract with L Studio, I believe WGM was able to pay a lower price for the shoot or they get it for free. For L Studio, they get to use Sora and LT as models for their wedding photo and as advertisement. You have to admit, if L Studio is not getting any monetary value from these photos, they wouldn't have allowed WGM to shoot their wedding photo shoot over there.
So why release it now? It is because of the MBC Entertainment Award. LT and Sora have recently won the popularity award. Also, LT has asked Sora to visit him in the army, hence that statement cause an increase of people in regarding to their relationship. Right now would be the best time for L Studio to use Sora and LT as advertisement for their wedding company. That is why L Studio would have released these pictures.
Also, remember that these pictures are not released with Sora and LT's recent consent. With LT in the army, it is hard for L Studio to contact him when outside contact is restricted. Also, I believe that when Sora and LT agree to the wedding photo shoot, they already know that any picture taken in the photo shoot can be used by L Studio (just like any clips that are taken by WGM producer can be use in the show). Hence, I don't think L Studio contacted Sora and LT prior to releasing these photos. Nor did they contact WGM to release these photos. -
maemae2020 said: Regarding OYS.....and Lee Joon:
I really hope FDs won't criticize OYS for her actions. Remember, we have NO right to judge. Also, we should we blame her for "hurting" lee joon? Are we sure ourselves that lee joon is not in a relationship? for those interested: it has been talked about by netizens that LJ is dating a popular female idol.
Sorry, just had to say. Some of the things I had been reading is really unfair. -
malonowa said: Alright.
Many hundreds of pages ago I was gently reprimanded to not bring up couple names in the thread to prevent a couple war.
People (and my dear friends) please, I know we are all hungry for content and the urge to make comparisons is there, but out of respect for other supporters and shippers we should refrain from it. So a friendly request to keep content for as far as possible about JungSora.
Sorry if I caused offence. -
mywebfoot said: Yesterday I wrote that as part of the cast of WGM, "couples have to be nice to each other even off-screen". Well blow me away, apparently there is no MUST about it. My ranting is all done on Twitter regarding the Jang Woo- Oh Yeon Seo matter. However, the fallout for uri DC is going to be interesting:
1. Thanks to Rain's case, LT can't be seen to receive any special treatment, much less be seen publicly outside of army-sanctioned activities, exactly as @lennycsn has pointed out. So it is highly unlikely we will see any sign of LT at other times. Thanks to the Rain+KimTaeHee story, it is even less likely that DC will be caught seeing each other - they have to keep a lower than low profile!
2. Thanks to OYS and LJW - any and all WGM couple activity is now completely suspect, off-screen or on-screen. The fantasy is broken, and I suspect this is not just the end of OYS - Lee Joon, but the end of WGM. However, this is weirdly good news for LT and KS because now all of their off-screen interactions, flirting and interview hints will be ignored as 'for the show' and they can be pretty open and still no one is going to say anything.
In summary, NOTHING HAS CHANGED (LOL
) ). DC Lovers will just have to settle in and wait, contented with the occassional hints (of which we had a whopper this MBC awards. )
@0timelost I agree with the change of Private Park's tone being similar to that section in Ep 8. I just happened to be watching it yesterday and I heard it too. Another interesting thing about that clip - I suspect he actually had a long-winded message to Sora (taking the golden opportunity of getting a video message out to her?) but he got mercilessly cut because it is an awards' show acceptance speech. -
@aikoakihiro:
I understand your feeling. When a person that you like, an idol, is being criticized for his or her action and you felt that he or she had done the right thing, it would irk you to see how people criticize his or her action. I don't think you came in here with the intention to say that LT and Sora is fake, but to show support for OYS for her action. For that, I understand.
I do want to say several things that will address what you have stated. First of all, I think most of the people are upset that she has done something unprofessional. Yes. being single is one of the contractual aspect of WGM because WGM wants to maintain the ideal that the shooting couple is an actual couple for the viewer (hence it is called a reality show...not reality if they are married). When OYS signed that contract, she knows that, but she decided to go ahead and date with another guy, which breaks her professional contract. That is where majority of the people criticize her-that she lacks professionalism.
However, is it wrong for her to pursue her own happiness? I don't think so. I think it is right for her to find the person she loves given that life is short. I am glad that she is happy with LJW. Also, people shouldn't blame her for not telling WGM ahead of time, given that she could have told them ahead of time, but when the news broke out, WGM staffs could have used her as a scapegoat and feign ignorant of this whole matter. No one knows the back story. Also, when OYS picked Lee Joon in the award ceremony, she was still upholding her professional contract, and that is to support her husband and appear as a loving couple. That is how it is like.
I can't voucher for MBLAC fans on how they will react with her. I know she is receiving a lot of negative criticisms from Lee Joon's fan for betraying their oppa. That...I felt is unjustified since from the beginning, I truly believe she liked Lee Joon. However, it is clear, without a doubt, that she broke professional contract...and I think that is what I do not like about this situation. Sure...she is honest. However, in each field of work, there are some professional contract that you cannot break or else you lose your work ethic. As a teacher, you have to like and help all of your students even if you felt that he or she cannot succeed. That is professionalism. As a stock market analyst, it is your job to withhold inside information (for example, inner trade or take over that is not known to the public as of yet) and to not buy the stocks prior to the revelation of the news. That is professionalism. As a lawyer, you have to defend your client whether you think he is innocent or not because it is not your job to determine whether he is innocent or not. That is professionalism. As a doctor, you have to heal every patience even if you don't like him or her. That is professionalism. To break any of these thing is to lose your work ethic.
And...your second post...directly quoting you: "Hope your shipping is not real because once it becomes real then the people will also feel betrayed on their actions since they decided to keep it private." Just to let you know, OYS did not make a public announcement that she was dating LJW. She was caught in a date by the tabloid. When she dated him, she didn't immediately announce it, but choose to hide the fact, so this claim, in which you criticize LT and Sora for, is also applicable to her. She did try to keep her relationship private, but is caught.
As for WGM being scripted. I believe that there are certain parts that are scripted, especially the mission card and where they are going or what is the theme for this episode (like wedding photo shoot or looking for a house). However, as many people have stated (even viewers who have people that work in the entertainment industry) the interactions and expressions are real. There is a difference in why this is called a reality show than a drama. And real feelings can be evoke because the prime example is Jun Jin and Lee Si Young who came out to be real couple after their stint in WGM. Also, there was a couple, who had to end early because the feelings is starting to blur (from reality to reel). So when you say that the feelings are fake, it is not applicable in all cases. Are there couple who just fake their feelings? Yes, there is...I won't deny that. But are there couples who have real feelings for their partner, I believe so as well. And using your word "we aren't involve" so we don't know what their real feelings are.
And you stated that LT could be dating during his time in WGM. Maybe that is true. Who knows. Maybe Sora was dating during her time in WGM. Who knows. Anyone of them could have a partner outside of WGM, because as you stated, it is a reality show. Jeon Hyeong Don is the best example when he was in WGM as Taeyeon's partner. He had a girlfriend in which he was going to marry. I can't say anything for other couples but I can say something about LT and Sora.
The main thing is that, I think (and I stress this point) that LT and Sora is real because both of their characters, inside and outside of WGM, has shown to be consistent. I highly doubt that LT's behind the scene interview in the last episode is scripted (Comically, a producer is holding up a sign, asking him to cry and claim that he didn't know that Sora was just as emotionally invested as he was). That was raw emotion...just as he has expressed that emotion when he was talking about his childhood in "I Am." Both of them are supportive of each other even when their WGM stint has ended. Sora has stated that LT is her ideal man in her interviews. She have stated that she would visit him when he is in the army. She have stated that she would be happy if they are in a relationship, and LT have asked her to visit him in public television. LT has also shown concern about her performance as a mc and gave her encouraging words to support her, just as Sora gave a supportive message to LT to do well in the army. This is reality because these are done outside of their professional contract (because they aren't bound to it anymore). To dispute this is to claim them as a liar...and what you are saying in your posts are to ask us to claim them as a liar. I'm sorry, but I can't do that, just as you can't claim OYS is a liar. In my perception, LT and Sora are honest and these responses and interactions outside of WGM shows me the reality of their relationship.
But then again...as other people have came in here and asked, are we being delusional. Sigh...here it goes again, but I'm going to say this again even if it gets redundant. DC fans...don't read this because it is the same thing.
1. Delusional people will not claim they are delusional because they believe their world is reality. Many of us have claimed that we are being delusional hence we know that what we claim as real or not is purely out of our own speculation. In case you haven't notice, which I can prove you haven't, many of us said "in my perspective they are real" hence it indicated that it is only our perspective.
2. Also, whether they are together or not, many fans have stated that they would be supportive of Sora and LT because we like them as individuals.
So...don't worry that we are being delusional. You don't have to confirm that LT and Sora's interactions in WGM is false. And to address your argument that we are fast to defend our ship because we don't know what is love, I've already talked about this. Also, I'm sorry but I find that comment really offensive because you just disputed several people's marriages who are avid poster in this thread when you claim they don't know what love is. I'm going to say this...a person who claims that he or she knows love 100% (which you didn't) is delusional because you can't know 100% of everyone's perception in love. Love can be generalize, but it is personalize for each individual because every actions, every words, every little thing such as the environment in which he or she lives in, can alter and change a person's perception in love. Your perception in love might not be our perception...but it doesn't mean that you don't know what is love...and it doesn't mean that we don't know what is love. It is just the viewpoint is different. -
sqd66 said:
this news just in: A current WGM lady Oh Yeon Seo and a former WGM male Lee jang Woo are currently dating:CreditAllkpop.com
http://www.allkpop.com/2013/01/oh-yeon-seo-and-lee-jang-woo-are-dating-in-real-life#
This totally is something against WGM rules of not dating while on the show. I don't like it because the other couples autheticity/realness gets questioned by the public. I so wish a real couple came out so please Sora and Leeteuk announce your relationship. As a fan of WGM I dislike this news only because she is currently a couple and Lee Jang Woo was part of a couple and should know better. I guess realistically you can't blame the two because real emotions in a real relationship took over. Let's see how WGM will handle this news..they were caught off guard. I am not feeling anything with these new 3 couples anyway..maybe Sunhwa and Kwanghee who are cute together but no one came out as having a chemistry...I just basically cringed a lot watching the current episode and usually skipped all except Sunhwa and Kwanghee parts.
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Continuing on....and thanks for putting up with my post. Sorry.
But here is the main thing and here is where things get murky and negativity flows in. LT's statement, in his BTS interview in the final episode, indicated that he didn't know that Sora was just as emotionally invested in this relationship as he was. And because of this, he felt he was selfish and regret his action. I don't doubt his genuine response because you can really tell he is speaking the truth and is regretting his selfish thoughts. Remember, this is a person who is cautious about love...a person who has been hurt many time. I don't doubt that he didn't really know how much Sora loved him until then, and I don't think he knows how great of a girl he had missed until he watched the last episode. I am sure he would be touch to know the reason why Sora stayed behind instead of leaving first.
It also goes to say, if Sora didn't choose to stay behind, what would have happened to LT's letter? I am sure LT would not have let Sora go without her reading the letter. Given then...I wonder what would have happen instead, and I think none of us know the answer to it. I also wonder when did LT read his letter out loud for the recording? It must be done prior to Sora arriving because 1. He didn't have the post-its with him and 2. he was emotionally drained from their departure. But one thing is sure, LT wanted to make sure Sora got his letter, hence he was watching her the whole time she was up there. I also think he wanted to be there with Sora when she read the letter, but when she told him to leave first, he could only watch her read the letter on her own.
Which brings us to the controversial topic of why Sora left the last part of the post-it (when LT said truthfully, I love you) at the house. @viyra once stated that Sora might have left it there because his last statement has confirmed all of the question that Sora has. Also, the post-its have questions that the fans have asked, and that post-it might signifies that LT's final statement has answered all of the fans answer. But then again, people would say this. Sora probably left the post-it there because it is the end of their WGM stunt and that it was too hurtful for her to think that LT really does love her. She knows that it is really over and that she must move on. Hence, she kept the rest of the message because it is part of what LT really feels. However, the part where he wrote "truthfully, I love you" was too much for her to handle, hence she left it there to signify this is the end of their make up relationship. Which interpretation is right...no one knows. But I can't deny that other people's interpretation is incorrect, because we aren't Sora. Only Sora understands why she did that...so whatever we come up with, it is all speculation.
But there isn't any doubt, just as I don't doubt that Park Jung So loves Sora, that Park Jung So has a significant effect in her life. In fact, both of them have a huge impact in each others' life. The greatest impact is their thought or perspective about marriage. I have no doubt that LT's thought for settling down with a girl and getting marry was influence by his interaction with Sora. Sora's thought of marrying at a young age is affected by LT. Their experience in WGM is such a good experience that they both have similar thought of finding the right partner, and it is without a doubt when they formulated this idea, they must have had each other in their mind (meaning...if a girl like Sora is my wife, or if Sora is my wife, I think I would be really happy...or if LT is my husband, or if I find someone like LT, I would be really happy).
I know I am digressing, but I think all these things have to be put into account when one thinks about their relationship. Hence, I think, they both love each other, but I don't know whether they took the second step to solidify their relationship. But there is one thing clear, Sora once mentioned that she doesn't do things that are wife or girlfriend like, but is more like a friend feeling. She would do things that her boyfriend would like to do. It is shown that Sora has always follow LT's lead. Even when outside of WGM, when LT tweeted about the end of WGM, Sora immediately follow his tweet with a similar tweet.
Also, LT's acceptance speech hints this pattern. Truthfully, I can't find his voice changing from his thank you to WGM producer to his private message to Sora. Both of them are softly spoken. The only change I heard from that video--besides the part when he salute and maintain his seriousness--was when he asked her whether she was going to visit or not. His tone reminded me of the time when they were walking in Episode 8. When he told Sora to listen to him only and follow his lead, that was the exact same tone he used when he asked her to visit him. It is not really a question of whether she is going to visit him that he wanted; it is almost a demand (or a given fact that she would visit him). I am sure he was anticipating her answer when he was watching the broadcast and was probably disappointed (like how he heard about her not hanging his clock). I got a feeling his comrades were probably jokingly telling him to work harder (I got this feeling from watching Strong Heart ep 154).
And Sora, being the thoughtful person she is, has already done research about when is the most appropriate time. I agree with one of you, who said that she must have already intended to see him, how else would she be able to answer these questions in detail? It was from the beginning that she planned to see him, and I believe she would visit him when she thinks it would be the best time for him and would cause the least disturbance.
But as some people might say, against LT's request for Sora's visit, that he probably said this to garner popularity or that it is scripted because he looked at his award before he asked her (and the award is a popularity award). Some might say that LT intentionally said that because he realized that his popularity is good when he is tied with Sora, so to maintain his popularity, he intentionally asked Sora to visit him. However, people neglected to realize that the acceptance speech is not a reality show, hence there is no question such as script. Second, the popularity award was given to Sora and LT for their participation in WGM as a couple. Some people who voted for the popularity only liked them as a couple in the show and only voted for them because they are strong supporter of LT (even though they might not like Sora). To ask Sora to visit him when they are no longer participating in the program and to call her Sora-ya, that is more upsetting to his popularity than helping it (given that some of his fans would be upset that their oppa told a girl, who they don't want him to associate with anymore, to come and visit him). So...all these arguments don't apply.
Anyways...finally, in regarding to one thing that @mywebfoot brought up, their WGM stint is basically ignored. I can't speculate why it isn't mention in Strong Heart when practically everyone of the people who has participated in WGM and has showed up in Strong Heart had been asked about their WGM situation. LT was basically ignored. Also, when they did an X-file on LT, they brought up his controversial issue with Kim Yuna, yet nothing was brought up about Kang Sora who he shared a kiss (his first and only public kiss) on national television. But it doesn't mean that people aren't interested in their story. It still think that reporters are staying away from this topic because they just don't have enough information to develop a whole story on it, and with both party keeping a close mouth about it, there isn't anything that they can say. Hence, you hear reporter asking LT about inviting SNSD to visit him or having SNSD to watch his performance, because this is the only source that they have left to write (and anything about SNSD is gold in Korea). However, once LT's video message was broadcast, Sora was immediately interviewed about whether she would visit LT behind MBC stage. It goes to show that reporters are extremely interested in the news and if there are any given hint that they are together, they would pounce at it, but since there isn't, they can't do much. But I got a feeling this year Sora would be asked about her visit to LT for the rest of 2013-2014.
Lol...in a way, this is a clever way for him to ensure that Sora would visit him since the public would not allow her to forget it. It is like some of you said, it is practically a good way of marking his claim on her.
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@shymaldita28: There are many reasons why I like Park Jung So and Kang Sora. I guess, the main thing that initially attract me to them was their awkward interactions...however, what kept me glued to this pair is their genuine interaction with each other and their personality, in particularly Kang Sora. The defining episode(s) that made me like them as a pair was/were still episode 6 (primary) and 7. It is when all the glamor and fame is stripped away and reveal two people who are in a simple date and is genuinely getting to know each other. If LT was different slightly, or if Kang Sora was different in some other way, I wouldn't have like them as much as I have right now.
@lallinachan: I think the answer to your question is simply stated by Sungmin: "No one know whether they are in a relationship or not except for those two." I can't say for sure that they are in a relationship until I get that 100% confirmation-unless they admit they are in a relationship, I won't venture and say that they are (I'm the kind of person who needs that 100% confirmation). And...I apologize ahead of time, but some of the things I will say might hurt, but I think it is important to look at all different aspects if one is to answer about their relationship.
First...I will have to agree with @mywebfoot when she typed that both of them have to be supportive of each other, publicly, even if they do not like each other. Reality is, both Kang Sora and Park Jung So starts off as a public couple. Whether they truly like each other or not, they have to be supportive of each other in the public eyes. However, I think Kang Sora and Park Jung So actually like each other. Yes, they have to be supportive of each other in public eye, but LT took a step further when he retweeted Sora's tweet about the ending of their WGM stunt. There is no need for him to do that when both of them have wrote an individual tweet to thank the producer and to thank their partner. When LT retweeted Sora's tweet, it shows he is closely monitoring her status even though he is no longer following her. It is significant because when he first followed Sora, some of his fans were upset that 1. his Twitter account is supposed to be for him and his fans..so why is he following a girl who is not associated with SJ's activity and is not an ELF and 2. he doesn't follow all of his team member, yet he is following her (a person who is romantically connected with their oppa). That is why, when LT stopped following Sora, some fans rejoiced and were happy that he is no longer connected to her. But then he retweeted her comment. LT, as I said, knows enough that by retweeting her, he is going to cause some fans to be upset with his action, but yet he choose to do so. It goes to show that Sora has an important part in his life that he is willing to show support even if it means upsetting his fans.
I can say, without any doubt, that Park Jung So likes Sora. I believe strongly that "Only U" is written with Sora in his mind. However, some might argue that LT's Geek's interview only mentioned about his ex and Sora wasn't brought up when he talked about his song composition. Also, in Strong Heart ep 153-154, one singer and Yuhno said that they are inspired to write their songs after a breakup...and they said that for applicable for artists. However, it is important to note that LT also said that his songs are written with love and with the person he is in love with in his mind. And these songs reflect the inner thought of the composer. When one's thought is about the depressing situation of their break up, one couldn't help but to write sad songs that evoke that feeling, just as the singer who wrote his song about his break-up in Strong Heart...and just as LT wrote his lyric for Andante. However, as @shymaldita28 mentioned, the song lyric in "Only U" is optimistic of a continuous love and of a love that has a future when they reunited again. It is not with a mind of a person who broke up but a person who is in love...and it is with this, I can say that Sora, who is the only girl he was with at that time, is the inspiration behind his song, "Only U." There are several reasons why it has to be Sora: WGM requires you to be faithful...and he had admit during his time in WGM, he thought of Sora as the only one in his press conference. Also, in Strong Heart, when Jung Woo guest starred for Strong Heart and talked about his clubbing situation, LT said that you have to be faithful during your time in WGM.
Another reason why I felt Park Jung So loves Sora is because of his usage of sincerely or truthfully. Most of the time, people hardly use "sincerely" or "truthfully" in their speech unless it is use as a confirmation or to indicate your seriousness. Being a variety person, most of his words are generally taken to be for entertainment value. LT knows that and that is why, when he was in Strong Heart, he had to say, "I'm being serious" when he talked about his future plan to marry a girl who would wait for him. That is why, I found LT truly seeing Sora for her inner beauty and was truly falling for her when he said he truly think she is beautiful (episode 7) when he realized Sora is beautiful inside and out. The second time was when he left her that final letter when he wrote he truly loves her. Unlike his other "I love you" profession, he wants Sora to know that what he wrote truly comes from his heart. Hence, his usage of "sincerely" in his acceptance speech for his popularity award shows his deep appreciation and thankfulness for the award.
So it is without any doubt in my mind that Park Jung So love Sora. Why else would he go to Busan Film Festival when it really doesn't have anything to do with him? Also, why else would he erased his prior tweet about "Busan is fun" or something like that and replace it with his Thailand performance (a gif of his fall) when his performance obviously occurred prior to his arrival to Busan and prior to his tweet about Busan? Why would he go and revisit his performance and post that after hours of their performance when he could have done so earlier? I think his action does have to do with Sora.
As for Sora, he holds an important place in her heart. Does she love him? Yes, I believe she does. She wouldn't have kiss him otherwise. It took a lot of courage for her to kiss him. WGM is a reality show...it is not a drama in which she is scripted to kiss him. The decision to kiss him or not or to allow him to kiss her comes from both party's desire. It is obvious, from the last episode, when LT said bobo or popo, Sora didn't expect him to kiss her when she initially released him from the hug. It was only when he grabbed her by the head did she know and a smile spread on her face before they kissed. And Sora is a honest person. When the reporter asked her whether LT and her is dating or not, Sora answer it would be great if they are. It indicated that she loves him.
I'm going to break up my post right now to make it easier to read. Sorry for the long rambling. -
Sorry everyone, but this is the last time I would talk about Rain's situation. Allkpop just posted an article about Rain is under investigation by the military for his leave of absence. http://www.allkpop.com/2013/01/military-officials-to-investigate-whether-rain-used-time-off-granted-for-official-duties-for-personal-use
And amongst the comments posted down there, there was already one person who immediately asked about LT's situation (given that he would be replacing Rain's position). People are already linking LT's enrollment with Rain's enrollment especially when they are quite similar to each other. Both of them enrolled in as active duty soldier...both of them publicly said they will serve their term as all other military officers would. However, Rain applied to be in the entertainment section, whereas LT got recruited to be in there. But...the public won't see that if LT starts to get special treatment.
So...even though this is long winded and repetitive, I really hope the military and public would let him lie low. Rain's popularity is taking a drastic hit...don't do this to LT.
As for @lallianchan's question, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to answer your first question. Thank you for listening to my rambling, and thank you, every members in this thread, for showing a lot of love and acceptance even though I am always posting long ramblings and some time false information (lol...like the one about Sora and LT ranking 3 for best couple this year...yikes! or the one about that MBC producer talked to Sora and LT about their honeymoon plan when MBC was in a strike). Thank goodness @tweetia and @hanyi pointed out my mistakes and thank goodness that all FD is able to help guide me back to the right direction. Thank you. I'm digressing, but @lallianchan, I'm not ignoring the question, but there is so much to write about it, and I want to watch LT's Strong Heart Goodbye Episode before I answer it (yes, I haven't watch it yet). So...I thank you, in advance, for giving me the opportunity to answer your second vital question. -
@lallinachan: Lol...Happy New Year. You really like to ask hard questions for DC FDs, but it is engaging and it makes us think.
Back to your old question: LT once question whether he in love with the concept of being in love...or whether he is in love. I think that is a hard question for all of us. For LT, after being hurt so many times and being such a sensitive person, he is over thinking his feelings because he is being extra cautious especially with his relationship with Sora, which boarders between reality and reel. So...he wonders, how much does he really love her..does he like her because he was telling himself to like her because she was his wife (as what he confessed to Shindong)...or does he really like her?
Call me a romantic but I think when one person is contemplating what kind of love he or she has for another person, it is the time when one is either in the path of determining his or her feelings so he or she could take the next step or pull back...but one has to remember, love doesn't have a category. Sure, there are different level of love, but when you truly love someone, it is without question, label, or level because all of that doesn't matter because you care for that person. And I think LT answer his own question in his "Sexy, Free, and Single" press conference. Sure WGM is in a premise that they are married, but when he was in it, he truly treats Sora as his only one. The love you see...the feeling that you see in WGM is true. The concept of whether he is in love with the idea of love or whether he is truly loving a person is no longer important to him. That is why, I think, after the long leave of absent, he has changed his way of thinking in regarding to love. It is first reflected in Strong Heart when he said he wanted to be the girl's last one (it is not important to be first anymore, as long as she is the last one). He then escalated it by indicating he has a strong intention of settling down when he told people he wanted to find one girl who would wait for him (Strong Heart).
And it is important to note...in the press conference, LT said it would be great if Sora could come and send him to his enlistment because that is what a wife is supposed to do for the husband. LT said that he wanted Sora to send him, while hiding behind the premise of WGM. However, now that WGM has ended, there is no need for him nor is there a right for him to say anything that is associated with Sora. However, the key thing is that he still wants Sora to visit him. And I think that is what drove people nuts...his statement has nothing to do with WGM but a clear reflection of his desire. It is Park Jung So who wants Sora to visit him, not as his wife, but the woman, Sora-ya, who he wants to visit him. -
First...even though I said this already, but Happy New Year everyone. It is finally new year in my area. Hope that this new year will be a great year for everyone, especially Park Jung So and Kang Sora.
Now...in regards to Rain's article, I really want to go back to what I have stated before. I like that we are getting a lot of information about LT when he is in the army, but I hope that the army and the media would leave him alone and allow him to serve his time in the army, away from the limelight. Every time there is an article out about LT, there are always negative comments about him taking the easy way out, when in fact, it is not LT who choose to be in the public service department. However, not everyone read every articles and it causes LT to garner unnecessary hatred from people who don't know the whole situation, nor do they research enough about his situation. Just like yesterday, Soompi published an article about LT saying he couldn't contact girl group. The comments were calling him a creep and neutral.
Also, as much as I want to know how LT is doing in the army all this time, I rather prefer the media and the military (yes..I am referring to the army that keep on releasing his pictures) to leave him alone. When Rain's article about him taking too many excess leave, people are upset. Korea views military service as a honorable duty, and it already irks people that celebrity have it lighter than the general public. So when Rain was taking excess leave and were using those leave for things that are not pertaining to military duty, it causes huge negative backlash and criticism from the general public. Now that he is found dating and was meeting his girlfriend at least once every week, it annoyed the public how he could go and meet his girlfriend when there are people who are in the same army status as him and have to miss their family members because the army did not give them the same "liberty" as Rain.
I would love to have LT have the same liberty given that he would take over Rain's position when Rain leave, but I rather LT doesn't because Super Junior is already receiving so many hate from k-netizen, and I don't want to give them another reason to criticize LT. That is why I would be happy to have him serve his army service in peace (but I won't deny that I would be happy to hear news about him...sigh...such a contradicting situation to be in). -
Happy New Year to all DC supporters. Thank you for making this year (or last year...the year of 2012) a memorable and fun year. I hope everyone would be healthy and joyful in the upcoming year.
And like always, Sora is so thoughtful. Even till now, she is always concern about LT's health. When she is in the fortune-teller's episode (17) she looked so concern when the fortune teller told her that LT might need tonics to help him. She also asked her mom to help cook a decent meal for LT, and she even told LT she couldn't cook ramen for him when she knew he wasn't even eating a proper meal. In her previous interview, she said that she would buy food for LT to eat when she visit him because she knew her cooking skill isn't that great, and right now, in this interview, she told LT to come back with a healthy body. -
tweetiaa said:That was last year eonni
This was what Sora meant in her speech that night, that they actually nominated for rookie star & best couple award last year but didn't win. -
Teukso also came up as #3 for Best Couple Award with a 12% vote going to them. The link to the video is
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Oh...going back to a question that @viyra brought up: is EJ an anti. We finally got our answer. Allkpop just posted an article about LT winning the popularity award. Look at EJ's response to the most high rated comment:
http://www.allkpop.com/2012/12/super-juniors-leeteuk-receives-popularity-award-and-sends-a-special-greeting-video-to-the-mbc-entertainment-awards
I can't say that EJ is an anti, but whoever he or she is, he or she is not a supporter of Dimple Couple, but he or she is a supporter of LT (quote and quote just in case EJ's comment get lost in the sea of anti: "While he was talking about her, he asked if she was gonna visit him T.T"). -
Park Jung So's acceptance speech is something to be happy about...especially when it shows the closeness that they both retain in their relationship. He didn't revert back to Sora-shi, hence it shows that they have a close and comfortable relationship even now. Also, he took this opportunity, which is supposed to be his acceptance speech for the award, to show his concern for Sora via public media. He is well aware that his video message would be broadcasted, yet he is willing to openly express his concern and support for Sora. His speech and behavior mirrors his behavior in WGM, thereby solidifying that his action in WGM is authentic (not for the show as some might say). Also, it shows that his interaction with Sora is reflective of Park Jung So, a man, instead of LT, the entertainer.
Like his public proposal, LT's (so used to calling him LT) video clip could garnered anti response when he dedicated majority of his message to Sora instead of focusing on thanking his fan. It also shows their close relationship, a relationship that he knows some of his fans would be upset and jealous of because of Sora (him calling Sora, Sora-ya and for another reason). It is a very bold move for LT, especially when many have stated (and he have stated)how he is afraid his fans would leave him after he has gone into the army. By doing so, he could garnered negative response from his fans (especially anti), and it could hurt his popularity, but the key thing is that he is willing to risk it. And he has been in the entertainment industry for such a long time, so he knows the consequences that his response could receive, but yet, he is not afraid of showing it, indicating that he feels that supporting Sora is much more important than the negative backlash he might get.
Also, Sora is practically the first person he asked to visit him. He hasn't asked anyone...and even when the reporters have asked him whether SNSD would watch "The Promise," Park Jung said that the whole SM family would come and watch. It is interesting that he is quick to clarify this fact with the press, yet he is willing to let pubic knows that he wants Sora to visit him, a person that press feels could be romantically involved with him (but doesn't dare to broach this topic). Like his behavior, prior to enlistment, he is fast to clarify any rumors that has him romantically involved with anyone, yet he is willing to fan the flame that has him romantically involved with Sora.
And Sora, being consistent as how she is like, stated that she would wait until he became a corporal before she come and visit him. Like her interview, she indicated that she wouldn't go and visit him the first year because the seniors might not like it. From her response, from yesterday, it seemed that she researched what would be the most appropriate time for her to visit and would cause the least amount of disturbance for him. Also, like what @playerkbd pointed out, I also thought that her behavior is reflective of the fortuneteller's prediction, in which Sora has the mindset to help the guy who she is with to succeed in his life...and by stating that she would visit him when he becomes a corporal she is 1. setting a goal and an incentive for Park Jung So to work toward and 2. it fulfills the one year indication that she has set in her interview.
*Edit* Finally, like his final letter to Sora, he wanted to make sure that she is doing well even if he is not there with her. -
viyra said:
Just want to add something regarding the K-Elf from Canada -
she was the one who said LeeTeuk and Kang Sora never dated - so what does that mean? Why is she disputing what has been everyone's belief, including ELF and ANGELS? Is she one of the antis?
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Merry Christmas to all of you. It is Christmas Eve where I am living.
Sora's interview is a honest reflection of her perception in her career and life. And as I stated before, one of the beauty that Sora has is her honesty and the wisdom she shows for her age.
"Since my mentality/spirit is weak, I’m easily to get hurt and can’t loosen up well. Because of that, even though I know there is anti-cafe (towards me), I just can’t go visit there." Sora is strong in a lot of way, but she lacks self-confidence. I know this sounds contradictory, but human beings are full of contradiction. Although Sora doesn't seemed to mind her weight "issue" ("I didn’t dream about gaining some more weights again…" and in Strong Heart and in one of her interview, she mentioned that being healthy is much more better than being skinny.), she subconsciously shows that she cares. She has mentioned, in one of her interview, that her chubby cheeks bother her. She has mentioned, multiple times during LT and Sora's WGM shooting, that she is heavy is afraid that LT can't lift her up. Majority of the time, Sora is confident with her physical image, but there are times that her insecurity emerges, and I have to give a hand to LT for noticing it. He has mentioned to her that she is light, multiple time, and has asked her whether she has lost weight because he felt that she got skinnier. He tried to reassure her in subtle ways.
However, she is fragile in some ways as she gets hurt when she hears negative comments. Although Sora always seems positive, it doesn't mean that people's comment about her doesn't hurt her. She has mentioned, in one of her interview, that the negative criticism with her acting in DH2 caused her to be sad. She also subconsciously noted the anti's comments when she interacts with LT, causing her to be wary when she is holding hand with LT in episode 8. Although Sora is fragile, in some ways, she always put people's thought first, hence she told LT to go away first because she doesn't want him to be the one who is being left behind.
I find LT and Sora a mirror image of each other. Both of them are fragile and lack self-confident. Sora first guarded herself in the beginning runs of WGM, while LT was fully active in their courtship (not that Sora is not active...her method is more subtle). The second half, LT was guarded (until he got his confirmation) while Sora is more active. Both of them were afraid to get hurt and were afraid of the strong attraction/feelings that they felt for each other.
"I feel the same way when I’m acting. My mind becomes calm and I feel blissful for a while" Sora's response reminded me of LT's personality. When LT is not working, he gets restless and wants to go to work.
"Right now, I don’t know for sure. I start to think babies are cute and I’m even interested in housekeeping" There is no doubt that this thought of settling down is due to LT's influence. It's interesting how both of them have stated their interest in settling down (LT in Strong Heart and Sora in this interview). Whether Sora has a person in mind or not, that is questionable. However, it is clear that the time that she spent with Jung Su has had an effect on her perception on marriage.
"So after 5 years and even after 10 years, I’ll be fair/worthy to myself and to my fans." Sora's metaphorical usage of the army in comparison to her acting is no doubt influenced by her interaction with LT and her co-star in "My Pavarotti." As she spent time with them and watch them go through the stage of contemplation and reflections, she also reflected upon her career. Her concern of being a "student" oriented actress has always been her concern. Because of the set roles given to her, she worries about her limited opportunity. And it is because of this that I want her to be able to expand and spread her wings in the acting field. Although Sora says that she wants to continue to act, I also remember that she says that her ultimate goal is to be a director. Until she moves from an actress to a director, she knows she needs to gain a lot of experience, and this knowledge is reflected in her interview. Her frustration at her inexperience and her limitation are voiced in this interview, hence she states that she can only accept jobs that are offered to her so she may expand on her acting range.
Her interview shows maturity and thoughtfulness. It shows how much reflection and thought Sora has put toward her acting and her life, and through this interview, I grow to like her more as an actress and as a person. -
@shofifajrin:
As for your recent post with Jung Su and his relationship history, it was already posted and addressed. His last relationship, as he stated, had been a year ago. And even if he is in a relationship right now, Jung Su said that he would hide his relationship as stated in WGM. So...what I am trying to say is, whatever you say is not new to us. Sigh. Also...your statement in which you said that he still might like his ex-girlfriend is just a speculation...not proven to be true. He never stated that. @shymaida stated that his lyric in "Only U" is hopeful in comparison to "Andante." It is not a song in which you write when you are nursing a heart ache. It is illogical to write a song about a hopeful reunion and that they love each other with only them in each others' hearts (because obviously...if the girl broke up with him, he won't be in her heart) in the lyric while he was nursing a heart-ache. Hence, the interview section, in which he was talking about his ex-girlfriend applies more appropriately with "Andante" than with "Only U." However, this is speculation...so this is not proven to be true as well.
And...it seemed that Soompi didn't save my last edit so...to all FD, I agree with @viyra. I noticed that Park Jung Su had been getting skinner since his poster "The Promise" came out. I hope he is doing okay. Also, Sora's recent tweet might be related to her mc role. Since she is new to this field of work, she might be upset with her mistake, hence her tweet about miscommunication, and that is why she is putting the blame on herself. However, this is a speculation.
Oh...I just remember...since someone topped the page without making any wish, I'll take the liberty to do that in his or her stead.
1. Wishing that Park Jung Su and Sora would be healthy and happy in their life.
2. Wishing that they get to enjoy the holiday no matter where they are.
3. Wishing that they will be successful in their career.
4. Wishing that they will be supportive of each other.
5. Wishing that their fans would be supportive of them no matter what. -
@shofifajrin:
Nope...I haven't forgotten that Leeteuk is the King of Variety, hence you should have noticed that I wrote Park Jung Su instead of Leeteuk. Also, remember that it was Park Jung Su who wrote that he was being himself in WGM. He wrote that in his tweet when he thanked WGM staff. And yes, I also noticed that your avatar is a picture of Park Jung Su with his family when he was young.
And for that quote...trust me, it is a quote I refer to a lot. I have wrote, multiple times, about the topic of delusion. If you really have read everything that people wrote over here, you wouldn't have bother to come over here to try to enlighten us as I, and many FD, have wrote that they know that it is delusion.
Since you haven't read my post, which I can obviously prove you haven't since you wouldn't be posting in here again, I will say it again.
1. Delusional people would not admit that they are delusional because they have a firm belief that their world is reality. Most FD members have stated that they are being delusional when they are making speculation. And the key thing is that, all of us admit that it is speculation...hence it is not proven to be 100% facts. Therefore, you don't need to worry.
2. I've asked this question before and many fans have asked this question before: even if Park Jung Su and Sora are not together, will we still support them? Many of us said yes. Park Jung Su and Sora are individuals that we like. We will still support them if they aren't together because we have grown to love them through WGM and their actions outside of WGM. The concept of them not being a couple or the probability of them not being a couple has been broached and answered a lot of time in this forum...and multiple, multiple times we have proven to be logical and acceptable to this thought. Sure...we will be disappointed if they aren't together, but it won't stop us from liking them as individual.
So...what I am trying to say is this...you don't have to worry that we are being delusional. And please, do me a favor, will you? Please make sure to read all of the post in here before you post something because 1. the concern you have brought up has been answered multiple times and 2. to judgmentally call someone delusional without having any prior background or knowledge about the topic (because you obviously didn't read all of the post) shows a person's ignorance.
I apologize if I sound rude, but truthfully, I should be sleeping right now because it is 1:02 am where I am living and I have to wake up at 5:00 am (and I'm sick). I know it is not your fault that I am not sleeping, but truthfully, I don't have a lot of patience to be really civilized right now. When I feel better, I'll be civilize with you.
And...I agree with @viyra...Park Jung Su seemed to have lost a lot of weight. I've noticed that since his poster for "The Promise" came out. Also...Sora might be busy practicing her mc role. I think her prior tweet might have something to do with her mc role...since she is new to it and is probably struggling with it. Hence, she blamed herself for her lack of expertise. I don't know for sure...but it might be a thought. -
@lallinachan: I'm sorry...I am the same as @viyra. I'm not ignoring your question, but I am sick so I haven't been keeping up with things. I'll answer it as soon as I can gather my thought.
To all FD and DC lovers around the globe, just in case I do not have a chance to say this as everyone is busy with the holiday coming, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Stay safe, stay warm, and stay healthy. I hope everyone gets to enjoy their time with their family and friends. Thank you for making this year (and more) such a wonderful experience as we all gather together to watch and support DC. This year was filled with delightful discussion, heart-warming discovery by our detectives, and nerve wrecking strikes and frustration. It was wonderful to share those time with everyone around the globe who was brought together because we care about Park Jung Su and Kang Sora. So...wishing FD and DC family a happy holiday before the new year hits.
Finally...another thing...remember how Park Jung Su tweeted his joy in "Sexy Free and Single" sales with Nami island's picture. He said that he would smile like that or he felt as joyful as that picture (I forgot). There were numerous of pictures he could have picked to express his joy but he picked that picture instead. It goes to show how happy he was with that trip and that his relationship with Sora has taken the next step. And...this was a tweet done outside of WGM, and we all know that LT said that he use tweet to express his feeling when he couldn't tell the people around him (he said that in one of the interview with SuJu...when they asked him about his role as a leader...I forgot which show it was).
) ). DC Lovers will just have to settle in and wait, contented with the occassional hints (of which we had a whopper this MBC awards. )
[OFFICIAL] Leeteuk (Suju) & Sora Couple We Got Married
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