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Sorry some additional thoughts about the elevator scene between JP/DS.  

 

When DS first went to Sandbox in ep13, JP showed off the ring and offered to take DS up to DM's office (i.e. access to DM would now go through him). He deliberately mentioned how close they now were to throw DS off. JP preyed on DS' insecurities about his looming shadow on their relationship (DS always felt imposter syndrome because the "DS from the letters" that DM "preferred" was someone else). 

 

During the elevator scene in ep14, JP then restricted access to DS again. He said DS couldn't speak to DM going forward without going through JP (sailing off a map with DM was now impossible) and insinuated that he was now the permanent gatekeeper to DM (i.e. they were in a relationship). I think DS felt completely cut off now and needed to see the proof for himself.

 

When he desperately tried to contact DM directly (i.e. on his own terms), she switched off her phone and made his worst fears come true - DS no longer had direct access anymore and was removed from the equation. This is why JP's 'white lie' was so harmful and damaging. Coupled with JP's earlier behaviour in episode 13, DS felt that his part in the love story was invalidated and erased for good. In his mind, DM had reconciled with the 'letter DS' and was now happily involved with who she wanted since the beginning. The detour to him that meant so much was now an irrelevant memory and their entire relationship meaningless... 

 

Really hope this love triangle is wrapped up properly but I wish people wouldn't just ignore JP's deception here because it was much bigger than a temporary misunderstanding . Why couldn’t he just say DM wasn’t up for it because she was busy or needed some time alone? If he truly wanted to fix his mistake, he would have explained the truth to DS. Or he wouldn't have misled anyone at all and just let them be!

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One more thing I thought about woods scene. Their difficult journeys showcase some parallels for DS and DM:

- both have tried to forget each other but can’t stop thinking about the other more than ever

- both have experienced significant hardship being apart 

- both have internalised their suffering

 

What was poetic was that while they took different routes, both DM and DS ended up in exactly the same place after three empty years apart.
 

DS was starving and she brought him ramen. He was thinking about DM all day and she appeared. He thought she completely forgot about him but DM admitted DS was the inspiration for Tarzan all this time, remembering their conversation in detail. DS thought DM didn’t care anymore but she was willing to make a difficult journey and sleep outside in the cold to be close to him. Fate reminded DS that he needed DM and she didn’t just bring heartbreak, she was his inspiration in life. Most importantly, the DM he loved was a real person and not an illusion in his mind.
 

What was really touching was that despite DS complaining the loudest, it was actually DM with the visible injury and the limp. This symbolised to me that her heartbreak may have actually been greater during the past three years but DS had overlooked what she was going through completely. DM had to live with the guilt of pushing DS away and breaking his heart, setting herself up from scratch, nursing her broken pride - all without her designated companion by her side.
 

When he finally noticed DM’s wound, his heart softened because more than anything DM is DS’s weakness and he can’t handle seeing her hurt (eg the chairman won incident, JP telling her why she was fired in public). He carried her on his back so she wouldn’t suffer on her own (now shouldering some responsibility/acknowledging her pain). They left the woods together as a team putting the awful three year separation behind them. DS even invested in her company, proving that his absolute support and long term commitment transcended a romantic attachment (maybe unconditional love). In that sense, he was DM’s star again (the fixed point shining brighter than the moon)

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3 hours ago, UPSGirl said:

OMG your posts give me life. lolz I was ready to hibernate from this thread but your posts keeps reeling me back. Haha. Thank you.

Is it me or I find it funny when Dosan tried to erase that 3 year old whiteboard drawing? It won't budge no matter how hard he scrubbed. lol It's an appropriate allusion to his 3 year old pent up feelings that seems indelible.  Seriously though, this could have been resolved in 30 seconds or less by just merely communicating.  Is it difficult to just admit that "I am a noble idiot, I lied to you but you lied to me first, please take me back." I guess for the writer, it is.  I guess she saves that for the last episode. 

Anyway, yeah, my heart breaks for him, imagine all those 3 freaking years he trying to nurse his broken heart.  In the sailing scene he seems to be somewhat relieved to be far away since everyday in his life back home he seems to be always in battle and wounded.   At least he got a breather but the moment he gets back, he has to wage that war yet again.  But I see the positivity in all of it,  hardship makes him more resilient and I am glad that he still wants to stay, move on despite the possibility that he won't win Dalmi back.  That's character development. I see the old Dosan running permanently away to SF married to his laptop instead of facing the heartbreak of seeing Dalmi with another man. 

Also, why are we not discussing how hot he got though? Women at this point should be flocking into him like he's bird seeds.  Dalmi should be busy swatting their hands away or shoving them away from Dosan. Why isn't this happening?! So. many. missed. oppurtunities. Ugh. 

 

I would love to discuss how hot he became! It’s a pretty glaring omission in my view because he looks gorgeous in an unworldly way - it’s strange it’s mentioned only in passing (I think his cousin commented during the shoot). He dresses now like a fashion model and no longer a tech developer which also makes little sense. 
 

I agree that the character development was really important. DS joined DM at Tarzan and overcame his massive heartbreak/disappointment by being by her side no matter what (ie with no expectation of bringing back their relationship). He bought into her vision to make Tarzan a reality rather than allowing his personal feelings dictate his professional future. 
 

I think his arduous journey made him realise that no matter what he did, he would never forget or move on from her. In the same way you can’t just erase the whiteboard, the comments he made in the office (he accepted reality, she was not the person he loved and he never wanted to see her again) would never magically become true. I feel like he made peace with it and became the bigger person, seeing DM as not just a love interest but a visionary partner that inspired him professionally. In that sense, he’s teaming up with her with a solid foundation this time (not just based on misunderstandings or emotion), symbolised by the piggy backing...

 

I do think DM probably went to clear things up with him but he wasn’t in the mood to listen. He was too preoccupied with his own suffering that he didn’t notice her wounds. It’s frustrating that she’s not clearing things up but maybe she’s holding back herself because she feels guilty/indebted to Jp who is a major part of her life. I just hope all this is resolved by the next episode so DS can be happy again - he has gone through so much in the past few episodes and I want to see his big puppy dog smile again...

3 hours ago, Mshad0309 said:

Hi guys, I’m new here and just wanna say hiii .. One question that keeps bugging me thou.. if DM knew that there was a misunderstanding with what JP had said to DS (during the elevator talk — JP told her that DS might misunderstood their relationship), then why wouldn’t she address that in the first place when she had the chance to meet DS again herself? She also knew he was staying in Korea again for good by then. Instead she (only) talked about recruiting him & just let DS flat rejected her. Shouldnt she at least wonder whats with the sudden change of treatment DS has towards her? He wasnt that “cold” when they first met again.. & esp during the scene in the woods. DS was furious (and asked why everything seemed easy for her, assuming she had moved on with JP), doesnt she at least have a hint on what was that all about? I wonder.....

Hello and welcome! I was curious about that too. I have a few theories:

- she wanted to have a proper discussion with DS about their past in the woods but he rebuffed her the whole time until she fell asleep so she missed her chance

- she might be conflicted about JP because she feels indebted to him and he’s been by her side for the past three years 

- she feels guilty already for the pain and suffering she has caused DS (especially after hearing her words back to her) so she doesn’t feel like she deserves a second chance with him

- DM is low on confidence right now. She admitted she pushed DS away in ep12 because she felt miserable about herself and didn’t want to hold him back (ie it wasn’t just selfless love, it was driven by self loathing). She might not believe she has anything to offer DS who is now a hotshot and has the world at his feet. She may also have little hope that he would still be interested in her given he told her she wasn’t the person he loved. 
 

Only my theories but hopefully that helps! 

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33 minutes ago, inBinJinitrust said:

@Arajo81 yes those are all the possibilities but regardless by the finale the line “stop feeling inferior to me and look at DM again” is very inappropriate for its negative connotation on the ML. A ML who by now still has to take another’s direction even when it comes to the dream of his life- that’s bad writing and very unfair for DS. It negates his efforts during his tough growth journey. I loved DS’s comeback in ep.13 just to be sad for him again in ep.14. Well, I blamed it on the lazy writing but also felt like the writer wanted to do fan service for the favorite 2nd ML. Whatever the reason, if by the finale the ML becomes unconvincing and his pain and sorrow can’t touch the audience (we know the majority don’t favor him but at least should develop empathy for him by the end of the show) then that would be really sad. I really hope we would have a satisfying ending 

I honestly agree with you. I would rather DS just came to an epiphany and sought DM out on his own, throwing out any insecurity by having enough faith that he was enough.  I wish JP would butt out completely so DS could show some backbone and fight for what he wanted, believing he had something to offer that JP didn’t.

 

I also think DM bears some responsibility because a) she told him he wasn’t the DS from the letters and b) after her ‘aha’ moment, she didn’t get the chance to confess that DS was in her heart the whole time.

 

This has translated into a disappointing situation where neither the ML or FL feel confident to be honest about their feelings. I love these two characters so much (especially Dosan) but I think this lingering insecurity after 15 episodes and 3 years devalues somewhat their beautiful love story. Like if DS doesn’t think he’s enough for DM near the end of the story, why would the audience believe in him?

 

The preview hints that the writer will give Jp redemption (sacrificing his feelings for DM to bring them together) and setting up a brotherly ending for him, DS and DM. Jp’s shadow over their relationship was removed at the end of ep11 when DM realised it was DS in her heart. Why then is he still a factor now after all this time?

 

Really hoping for a beautiful organic ending for Dodal where all the focus is on their growth, understanding and maturity as a couple - not the work behind the scenes of another character playing Cupid...

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11 hours ago, inBinJinitrust said:

 

@Izaid08 @Arajo81 Absolutely. Again, inconsistent character development which is irritating. Earlier when DM met DS in his rooftop office, she acknowledged how much pain DS must have been through. And yet she didn’t think DS would be hurt when he was convinced that JP and her are now together? The seemingly insignificant details like these can make it appear like DM is confident in her “power” over DS, not nice. Even though the FL only loves the ML, till the finale the ML still has to keep questioning can she return to me, does she really love me etc etc which shadows his image, shadows the inspiring actual “startup” content. 
 

I also hope the ep.15 preview is misleading. It is unacceptable should JP need to tell DS what to do 

Yeah that wasn’t my only gripe with the writing. In episode 13 JP showed DS the ring box he was going to give DM. DS was upset and left sandbox, telling his mum he wasn’t going to contact DM until the ransomware attack suddenly happened. Then in episode 14, JP insinuated he was in a relationship with DM which drove DS over the edge and he became utterly devastated, lashing out at her when she came to the rooftop office.
 

It felt like they were repeating that plot device twice (ie the misunderstanding about DM moving on with JP)... maybe it just me that found this odd!

 

I also find it disappointing that Jp has to give DS guidance to chase DM but there are a few possible reasons:

- DS may believe DM is dating Jp so JP needs to clear any misunderstanding

- I think the final growth area for DS will be to make peace with the ‘letter DS’ (ie he can’t ignore it because it means a lot to DM and only Jp can give him that closure by handing over JP’s past with DM completely (initially it was merely temporarily lent)

- JP has caused pain/chipped DS’s confidence for a long time (eg lying about a relationship with DM, the scrunchie incident, constant belittlement in the early episodes, showing off about the 461 questions and constantly interfering in DS and DM’s quality time) so he needs to atone and act like a good older brother (fulfilling his earlier lie to DM) 

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I loved episode 14 but I felt so sad for NDS in this episode (long angsty post ahead).

 

DS went back to Sandbox full of hope that he could reclaim his jacket (and DM's affections), achieving his dream of turning a misunderstanding into a reality. Then JP lied to him in the elevator and shattered his long-held wish. Knowing she was in a relationship with JP confirmed his worst fears, basically invalidating their entire relationship by reminding him that DM never loved him in the first place (he wasn't the guy in the letters) and he could never live up to the letters despite the reset. DS realised that the past 3 years pining for a reunion with DM were meaningless and that DM was right i.e. he was holding onto an illusion. On top of that DM didn't call him back when he was frantically calling her, compounding his heartbreak.

He later had to suffer by facing DM in his office (looking ridiculously beautiful) believing she was happily involved with JP, having left him behind completely. To eliminate any possibility of them working together, he said the harshest words he had ever heard back to her and said he never wanted to see her anymore - only to hear an unexpected & heartfelt admission from DM that his words were hurtful and she was sorry for the past. The problem was he was bluffing when he said this - he had still not accepted 'the reality', nor did he actually believe that person he loved wasn't her (his feelings hadn't changed at all). He only said he didn't want to see her again to spare himself more pain - this wasn't his heart's desire so he found himself lying to her again.

 

All his attempts to erase the past or discard his memories were unsuccessful. Even after going on an arduous journey to forget DM and 'face reality' (thereby fulfilling what he said to her earlier), he realised that his attempt at pushing her away backfired because he was thinking about her more than ever. The bitterness and pain in his voice at the camp site was a massive contrast to the sweet, puppy dog DS from earlier episodes. Thankfully towards the end he softened once DM explained the meaning of Tarzan and also reassured him that her journey was difficult (symbolised by DS finally noticing/addressing her wound once he tenderly spoke to her). I think he resigned himself to the fact that he still loved her but I don't think the misunderstanding about JP has been cleared up so he's still going to suffer in Ep 15. 

 

I wish they put DS out of his misery already and wrapped up this love triangle! Anyone else feel sorry for poor DS?

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On 11/25/2020 at 2:08 AM, Dramageek said:

I agree with a lot of your points@cmoirae2, because Venture Capital world is such a niche market. Startup will only grow and get funding if they get referal into the network of funders/VCs. In real world, if a startup founder ever throws a punch to a VC from Softbank Venture (SH I assumed were modelled after softbank venture, the only one invest in AI in 2016) and the news spreads, he'll be blacklisted forever and can kiss their startup dream away for good.

 

I get why NDS angry, I understand why he is what he is. I like NJH since forever. But to be honest if this is real life his attitude will get him blacklisted from startup world.

 

Many still saw the character through rose coloured glass of Kdrama without any perspective on how harsh is the reality of the start up and VC's world, the odds to success only 10%. Other who willing to understand, start watching HBO Silicon Valley (more realistic potrayal about startup). HJP has this atypical VC behaviour actually, but compared to the VCs in HBO Silicon Valley HJP can be considered a mild sheep.

 

I am all for HJP to be a better and more empathetic person but the reality is some of his traits are some kind of occupational hazard, common trait of VC who came strickly from financial background. While CEO Yoon seems more emphatetic coz the drama itself said that she was ex startup founder herself. In VC both type of person exist in a firm to check balance each other to asses the high risk nature of startup investment.

 

And actually alex deal is a fair exit in the startup world. It's just that samsan tech expect to be instagram, but they become friendfeed instead (when bought by fb).

 

I see a lot of misconception about sandbox. Dad's metaphor are romantized too much. As if being in sandbox startup founders are being nurture with full guidance by their mentors. Sandbox is startup accelerator (selection into accelerators very competitive 3%), different with founders institute or campus incubator who can do more mild/nurturing mentorship. The concept of "sandbox" is actually pre-seed funding (100 million KRW) in exchange of 6-10% equity, so startup founder didn't have to get a loan from the bank to grow their business & in debt when failed. They are also given offices facilities and access to the network of investors for the next round of seed founding at demo days. Pressure is high. So the mentors are actually representatives of pre-seed investors, who prepared them to even harsher vc/sharks in other round of seed funds, how to pitch, how to deal with investor question, how solid is your bussiness model. Mentorship usually provides simulation of pitching session. Your mentor will ask you many trick and though questions. Your mentor also gives you input on your business plan. No baby sitting happening. The great mentorship is measured by how far your startup being mentor by U grow, as in get more rounds of fund (bigger valuation) or successfully exit.

 

If you cannot deal with harsh reality of seed funding, how will you face series A, B, C etc with bigger investment, more money at stake, bigger pressure.

Agree with a lot of your points and I used to be an investment banker so I know the business world is not kind. JP speaks a lot of truth that novices need to hear (e.g. questioning SST's lack of a viable business model, telling DM the noongil revenue model didn't make sense). It's perfectly normal to attack a business idea or challenge the fundamentals of a company since you're putting good money into someone's hands.  

 

What I took issue with was the timing of JP's harsh words, the delivery style and how he often made things personal which frequently led to unprofessional behaviour e.g.

- insinuating Yongsan's brother was a 'fraud' or had no business being a CEO (attacking a person like that in a public setting could give rise to defamation claims and he could have just focused his criticism around the business itself) 

- publicly telling DM who had just been fired that 2STO only wanted the developers from the beginning (was this the time and place to announce a message like that in front of everyone, making her cry?)

- using inflammatory, offensive language by telling SST only an idiot would invest in their company with their shareholder list or asking SST "are you naive or stupid" after CODA 

- yelling at DS about not having a business model that would entice investors in the early episodes

- speaking definitively about a person's impending failure to his face ("I can guarantee you guys will fail")  

 

Maybe to other people, the above behaviour is typical in their experience of the VC world. In my experience, appropriate workplace behaviour and employee sensitivity is integral to large organisations and is a mark of professional conduct. I just think JP crossed the line on many occasions.  

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58 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

May I add another perspective? I understand that people will have different responses to criticism and yes, humiliating someone already struggling is unkind. JP may have learned that there are "unintended" consequences to his actions when he learned that YS brother committed suicide and maybe re-evaluating himself. But even if it was not JP who questioned YS brother and someone kinder, would it have made a difference as to YS brother's actions or response? Everyone gets humiliated or rejected and some in worse ways, in love, investments, relationships, work etc. but do not commit suicide. People deal with losses and failures in many different ways, in different time frames and one day pick up and move on. YS brother was unprepared to accept and deal with consequences that does not go his way. The reasons maybe the fear of losing, fear of failure, shame. In one of the brother's conversations, the brother told YS that he put everything he had and his money on the line for the success of his start up business. He put himself in a now or never situation with no contingencies. He was unable to cope with what if he did not succeed or win. The consequences of that suicide continues to reverberate through his brother YS, who is struggling to understand and still grieving, unable to cope. He now needs help. Would it have made a difference if someone else other than JP asked the questions? 

 

 

You raise some good points. I’m not saying the questions were wrong but the style and manner lacked empathy which JP needs to work on. If we’re saying YS’ brother should have handled things better, I’m just saying JP could have too. The fact is fragile people exist in this world so the way we deliver messages and their timing can make a difference. Whether a kinder person would have still led to the same result doesn’t justify JP’s careless disregard for the feelings of others (a consistent trait) or erase the pain that resulted from his words. 
 

When Jp said noongil was going to fold anyway because it didn’t make any money, he spoke the cold truth and didn’t care about the person listening. When he realised he was talking about the app that would make a difference to his beloved halmoni, he realised that the same ‘truth’ can actually hurt people (himself) depending on the context. The point is JP doesn’t know everything so he should think more before being so critical of others.

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8 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

I can add my two cents here because Yong San's brother's situation has happened to me. My first boss, supervising boss was of the attitude "Results matter, efforts don't" ....first  2Q, went smoothly. I got stuck in a tough one on last quarter. The mounting expectations for results, inflexible attitude really got to me. After speaking to a number of close colleagues, I decided he won't change, either I have to bridge the gap, ramp up my speed and keep up or find something else. I found something else. It was scary but this time around, I spoke to my supervisor clearly to set professional boundaries, work schedule and expectations. Point is, what Yong San's brother faced is fairly common. Its business, none of it is personal. That's the simple reality. Ji Pyeong was blunt but never out of line. I don't from the set up within the drama have enough reasons to pin the entire burden of the unfortunate suicide on his shoulder. 

May I add another perspective? No one is pinning the entire burden of the suicide on JP's shoulders but I don't think it was his finest moment. He asked a number of (fair) questions that Yongsan's brother was struggling to answer. While the CEO was obviously squirming, JP then insinuated he was a "fraud" by not doing his research properly and continued a line of blunt questioning after he already proved his point. 

 

It's one thing to question a business model but humiliating someone and making personal attacks when someone is visibly crumbling was not necessary. The drama is pretty balanced because the sandbox director makes it clear that JP wasn't to blame. At the same time, it shows the unintended consequences of JP's harsh truths. JP is in a position of power over these entrepreneurs who have sacrificed a great deal to get there. Showing some human sensitivity, not making the questions personal and backing off when you've proven your point would have made a massive difference here.

I don't think it's fair to just say Yongsan's brother should just leave and run his business somewhere else. Who knows what mental health issues or personal struggles people have? In this case, he didn't have any other options. Yongsan's brother put his grad school dreams on hold to get into Sandbox and didn't even tell his parents. After Demo Day, he couldn't find any investors and his spirit was broken after being publicly humiliated. The entire point of Sandbox is to give entrepreneurs a safe place to fall and land. If people like Yongsang's brother just have to get over it and not take it personally, shouldn't JP also reflect on showing some empathy with his feedback so he doesn't push someone off the edge?

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Hi everyone! Great to join this forum and I’m so pleased to find a place to discuss the drama. I had to leave reddit like many of you because it became too heated. 
 

just thought I’d share some pics for tomorrow’s episode:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.sedaily.com/NewsViewAmp/1ZAHC8CNP4

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chosun.com/entertainments/entertain_photo/2020/11/20/COQFIVY6KEMJCPZIIWDW6JZMBE/%3FoutputType%3Damp

 

Looks like the revenge plot will be fleshed out and maybe DS DM reconcile? I can only hope!

 

 

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On 7/29/2020 at 4:31 PM, 40somethingahjumma said:

Is this the video that we're talking about?

 

 

Because unless the subs are really off, I am wondering if he isn't actually talking about the anaphylaxis event.

 

"He went to the ER because something came up... or because he is curious about Dr Jang Gyeo-ul's condition. He need(s) to get there fast."

 

Why use the word "condition" if it's referring to the maggot scene? That's the part I'm confused about.

 

@Arajo81 Can you please help us, if you're still about? Thanks ahead of time.

Hello again everyone! @40somethingahjumma I think he's talking about the maggot scene. As he's going through the script, I recognise the dialogue and scenes from Episode 1/2.

 

Around 8:55 min, he starts repeating the lines (not translated) about "the only thing a doctor can say for sure is that they will do their best" which is what he says to Gyeo-wool in Episode 2... Then the lines skip around and he starts talking about different parts of the script (e.g. Min-yong's situation in Episode 1 and how he should tell off Gyeo-wool 'lightly').

 

Later around 9:38 he asks "Is he going to the ER because something happened or because he is curious about how Gyeo-wool will act in this situation" (your confusion is understandable, in my view 'condition' isn't a good translation and there's no other reference to the anaphylaxis event)

 

Hope that makes sense!

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4 hours ago, nrllee said:

How to love a strong independent woman?  (cr - Dinosaur Ridge Tumbler)

 

 

Who can set up a tent all by herself.  In the heavy rain. 

 

Who upon discovery of a breast lump, got a biopsy done on her own.

 

Who is well respected in her professional life.

 

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DO Make sure her opinion is heard during group talks

 

 

DO ask for her explicit consent 
 

 

DON’T patronize her.
 

DON’T question her way of living her own life.

 

At the end of the day, there really are very few things that such a strong independent woman cannot handle on her own.
 

Hence, loving her is not about what you want to do for her.

 

 

It’s about what she lets you do for her. 

 

 

Yeah nothing says romance like asking someone to help you carry a box of camping supplies to your office 
 

Isn’t it lovely how SH lets IJ do a lot for her too, but rather than quick chores she actually spends time with him e.g.: 

 

- letting him stay by her side while she waited for potentially life changing results
- letting him drive her home when it was raining

- waiting for him to make her favourite breakfast 

 

I agree there are few things that SH needs from anyone but I love how IJ supports her in the background while respecting her independence e.g.:

 

- IJ picks up SH’s handbag when she leaves her belongings behind

- IJ is the first to visit her in Seokcho and respects her choice to move away
 

Most of all:

- IJ makes her laugh and she loves his sense of humour 

- IJ makes her blush and confused in a way no one else does on the show 

- IJ includes her into his family and she loves them in return

 

Anyone else rooting for these two in Season 2 since Wintergarden is now confirmed  ?

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@40somethingahjumma Great point (as always)! It reminds me of a scene in episode 2 after Songhwa’s school friend with breast cancer is visited by her husband. SH watches them closely and Seong min says ‘are you envious? You should date too’. SH cuts him off by firmly stating ‘no, I don’t want to. I like being single’.

 

Totally agree that SH’s focus, identify and passion are derived from her work. i believe she genuinely means it when she says she wants to be alone (ie it’s not a defensive deflection to change the topic).
 

SH is determined and driven when she wants something - if she truly wanted to a partner or family, she would have pursued it ardently. SH doesn’t settle for a substandard situation or is clueless about her feelings - she’s very attuned to what she wants. That’s why it makes no sense that she’s passively in love with Jeongwon, a close friend for 20 years and sits around ignoring her ‘love’ while he’s single and available - it doesn’t fit with her ‘go getter’ character in any way.
 

I absolutely love these other theories though, at first I was confused but now they give me a good laugh 

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Seokhyeong also keeps his desk and car clean so let’s get ready for Flower Bear Garden in season 2! 

 

Other hidden lovelines:

 

- Jongwon and Junwan use hand sanitiser before meeting patients - the hygienic couple 
 

- Gyeowool, Iksun and Junwan love eating the same brand of chocolates - the snow pigeon throuple 

 

- Dr Bong, Gyeowool and Minha drink coffee together during breaks - Bong sister wives 

(btw this is just a light hearted post - it’s only a drama guys )

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, nrllee said:

She stops him from saying goodbye.   
 

Aww...the song that frames the 2 of them together on the same sofa.  Yes you did SHwa, you knew you loved JWon.

No line between them in the middle of the frame. 

 

Don’t leave out the part where IJ starts singing ‘I knew I’d love you‘ . SH can’t take her eyes off IJ as he sings. JW passes out but SH doesn’t even notice - her gaze remains fixed on IJ. As IJ continues singing, the camera shoots them on opposite sides while SH continues wistfully watching him (JW out of the picture). Pretty callous of SH to ignore her ‘true love’ passing out like that while staring at another guy...

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Did you notice how in sync SH/JW were as he was thinking of Gyeo-wool - the first person he wanted to tell about his plans to stay? SH read his mind and broke out into a knowing smile, mentioning the word “gyeo-wool” three times to tease her psychic partner. Totally agree they’re locked in around JW’s love life with GW 

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13 hours ago, ck1Oz said:

@Arajo81 there is minimal hospital politics here. One guy was the top student of his medical class. Another guy was one of the top scorers in the nation. They are all Professors. I know the character descriptions say they are Assoc Prof. They are 40 years old after all. They finish or should have finished their Board exam around 35 years old or under.

 

The Obgyn guy is nice. But most all ObGyn are nice. None of them promise their patients will live they said they will do their best.

 

The GS is less arrogant than most GS I know but heck at 40 they should be close to their peak. The CS guy is arrogant and a lot of CS surgeons are arrogant. Neurosurgeons have to be rock steady for their techniques as it's the brain. And they don't flap about in real life if you're a neurosurgeon. It's not a specialty for the faint hearted. And by the way if they are Prof the long surgery times are not uncommon. It is progressive training to handle such long surgeries. 

 

And most professors try to show empathy towards their patients. Whether they are tyrants to their team is a different matter. I am not trying to praise the writer.

 

But other than the hospital politics, not showing them doing research for journal publications, and they are single so yeah overtime is common. So what is it that bothers you?

 

Jeong Won the priest is empathetic. The Obgyn is empathetic. Jeong Wan doesn't chat as much and he is quite abrupt as per CS. Ik Jun is about the only unrealistic one being so nice. But then we have real doctors being so nice in real life. So * shrugs * the actual work writing doesn't bother me. And oh yeah- the surgeries are complicated but only some- but if the professors can't handle it who can? Notice the shorter simpler surgeries are done by residents under supervision. The surgeries names sound fancy but most of them are bread and butter surgeries. Jeong Won doing the liver transplant was the only one which jarred me as I am used to having surgeons specialising in it but then liver transplant is still less stressful from the brain surgeries.

 

I've done my Kdrama rounds tonight see you all Fri. I won't reply later.

Sorry if I poorly worded my comment but i think you misunderstood - I don’t remember saying anything about being bothered by hospital politics or overtime or research for journals. Also FYI - in your second last paragraph you said Jeong Won twice but I think you meant Jun Wan (the heart surgeon).

 

The title of this show in Korean is ‘the life of wise doctors’ so obviously we are talking about the cream of the crop. I love seeing people at the top of their fields, I just can’t relate to them because they are so excellent and they never seem to have any professional failings or issues - almost superhuman medical professionals. I have dr friends and family and no one is that noble/altruistic or ‘on their game’ with amazing stamina despite years of experience. Maybe I need to meet more doctors hehe

 

While I love these main characters, I can relate more to the residents who make mistakes/learn. 
 

Anyway it was my one small gripe about a show I absolutely love and I meant no disrespect to the community. I won’t be commenting again!

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33 minutes ago, Fanwan.07 said:

I Hope someone to sub the clip below, Shin Hyun-bin duality is Jang 

 

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B_bPq7QD_Cu/?igshid=8sblz7slnkdj

My translation isn’t perfect but I will have a go.

 

At the beginning as she’s filming the lunch cafeteria scene, the director tells her to do the “extremely cold version“ with IJ who then laughs because he’s not ready with the serving spoon

 

Shin Hyun Bin (SHB) introduces herself as: “I am Shin Hyun Bin playing the role of Jang Gyeo Wool” (JGW)

JGW introduces herself as: “I am JGW, a third year GS surgery resident”

 

The first question is ‘what do you think will happen to the one sided love for Ahn Jeong Won’

 

SHB says she is very curious and looks forward to finding out information on a daily basis. She hopes it ends well.

JGW says ‘it’s not true. Did Professor IJ say that? It’s not that...it’s just...’

 

Not 100% sure on the second question but it’s something like ‘if you could choose another resident to join your team who would it be’ and Seok Hyung (YSH) chooses JGW (IJ says no way)

SHB says (surprised) ‘thanks so much to YSH professor. Given there are a lot of residents in his team, I will continue to work hard in GS’

 

JGW says ‘Why did he say that, I have no idea’

 

There’s another question but I’ve run out of time. Anyway hope this helps!

 

 

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1 hour ago, nrllee said:

Nah Andrea’s not gay.  More likely straight.  And is delirious in previews because likelihood is that his mom finally accedes to letting him join the priesthood.  You need to think of Andrea has having a gf now...his gf is God.  He isn’t married to God yet but he wants to “head to the altar”.  His mom is currently standing in the way.  That’s why Jang had no chance of being with him.  He’s already off the market.  His gf is God.  That’s why Bong said the girl who crushes on Andrea has to beat God.  It was a losing proposition from the start.  I hope writer will give her some other character growth aside from her crush.  Something like Capt Ahn who has now got a very nice character arc outside of his crush on SHwa.  He can stand alone as a character.  Jang currently is defined by her crush on Andrea.  Everything she does revolves around that crush.  Her choices. Her aspirations.  She needs to develop as a person apart from Andrea.  I am seeing writer potentially pushing her towards IJ ever so subtly.  We’ll see if that eventuates.

I’m a big Dr Jang fan here and I agree with you. I feel like she has more potential to develop as a stand-alone character. I love that maggot scene because it was so unexpected. She appeared indifferent, cold and blunt to the mother, but when it came to the homeless guy she showed her dedication through her actions (similar to JW). Dr Jang’s bedside manner needs improvement but she goes above and beyond for her patients (pulling maggots out with her hands, chasing the abusive dad, running with the liver). I love watching scenes highlighting her quirky behaviour, cold logic and social awkwardness (without malice), especially compared to more outgoing characters.

 

I ship the winter garden couple but I noticed IJ was the one who gave her the warmest encouragement when she safely delivered the liver. IJ is such a charming, capable and kind superior - I wonder if he could potentially be a better match if things don’t work out with SH.

 

I love the five central characters but does anyone else feel that sometimes they set the bar unrealistically high - they never seem to make professional mistakes, they pull off ridiculous surgery miracles, they show superhuman empathy for all patients and they never have any ethical dilemmas (no temptation for any bribery or misconduct). It’s really refreshing to watch the resident storylines in contrast. 

Anyway can’t wait for Thursday!

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I’m also a GW/Dr Maggot fan! There’s something really refreshing about her - she doesn’t care about her appearance, she’s honest with her feelings and she doesn’t try to be something she’s not. She’s pining over JW but she’s so far refrained from dolling up or feigning interests to get closer to him. Even when she made blunt comments about Minha’s makeup, you could see it was coming from a good place.

 

She has a naivety about her which is also sweet (eg her hopefulness about the text message and her subsequent disappointment). She looks really inexperienced about love and is desperate for reciprocation but she has no idea what she’s doing. 
 

Do I think JW likes her back? I don’t see active dislike or apathy. He was very upset when he thought she was having an affair with IJ in ep3 even going to the effort of searching for them to voice his objections. When Dr Bong in ep2 asked Dr Bae to call Gyeo-wool to the homeless maggot-ingested guy, JW’s interest was piqued when he heard her name and he followed Dr Bong to the emergency room. There was a close up of GW from JW’s perspective as she was pulling out maggots which stood out to me.
 

Let’s not forget during the cookie scene in ep4 he gave her side glances at least three times before subtlety passing her snacks (he didn’t look at the obgyn resident or the interns this way). I think JW looked concerned when Dr Bae mentioned that the child abuser dad might have a knife and when IJ mentioned her emergency allergic reaction. 

Also did anyone else notice in ep6 after GW assured JW that she explained Ji-ah’s condition to her parents in detail, he said “go seng hess o yeo” which translates to ‘you tried hard’ - probably the nicest thing he has said to her on camera other than the text message which he would never have sent if there was dislike.

Given his inexperience with women and his desire to be a priest, i think it will take him a long time to realise his feelings, be comfortable with having them and then act. Hopefully IJ will play Cupid to speed this up!

 

Hope I didn’t ramble too much but I love the discussion in this forum and I wanted to contribute!

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3 hours ago, nrllee said:

Here’s my take.  He is NOT impressed with Dr Maggot and he probably wants to shake her off his tail. Andrea is someone who pays attention to details.  He is impressed by people who take care in the little things and is observant about little things.  Evidenced by how he is impressed by Dr Bae (during Ep1 with the boy in ER and how she related to his mom Vs the insensitive way Dr Maggot spoke to her).  That’s why when he confronted IJ about his suspected fling with her he exclaimed, “NOT GyeoUl??”  I know some have read that to mean that perhaps he liked her which is why he told IJ to back off.  But I read that to mean he was aghast that IJ would have such poor taste (meaning he didn’t like her).  When everyone was talking about SH’s dad and bringing up all his BIG mistakes, Andrea chose to pick on a rather small incident (when he was sent on an errand by SH’s dad and his dad still hasn’t paid him for it).  His point is not that the 1000Won mattered to him.  But it was a character issue.  And Andrea picked it from the start.  What you’re like in the little things in life says a lot about what sort of a person you are.  That’s why he approves of Dr Bae (I don’t think he “likes” her - his head is not in that space right now, he’s going for priesthood so he will want to stay celibate).  Dr Bae notices little things and preempts stuff (getting an XRay done on the child, calling security and the police).  He’s not into big showy gestures which is how Dr Jang is presenting before him now.  Removing the maggots (big showy gesture).  Chasing down the abusive father (another grand gesture).  Notice how she was expecting praise from him?  He dislikes that.  You don’t do something in hope to gain brownie points (Dr Jang).  You do something because you have a moral compass that shoots true (Dr Bae).  Did you see how PD placed SongHwa into the picture?  What was Andrea snacking on in that conference with SH about the baby?  A Pepero stick.  What was SongHwa fake drumming with in her car when she was heading to camping?  A Pepero stick.  Who got the upper hand with the abusive man (who later threatened Andrea?) - you guessed it, SongHwa, not Dr Jang.  Dr Jang was chasing (just like she is now with Andrea).  SongHwa was standing still, waiting for the man to come to her (she’s waiting for Andrea, not chasing him). I think PD/writer puts these things in like a candy trail.  Especially the Pepero stick.  There was absolutely zero need to put it there.  It adds nothing to the scenes.  But it’s there for a purpose.  To link the 2 (SHwa and Andrea) together.  If Dr Jang wants to weasel her way into Andrea’s heart, she has to undergo a massive internal change in character.  Thus far I don’t see it.  She’s missing the little things that would impress Andrea, she needs to be more like Dr Bae.

Hi everyone - I’m new to this thread...

 

I believe JW’s reaction to IJ and GY stemmed from his moral outrage at a married man seemingly having an affair. JW wouldn’t egg him on if IJ was chasing after a resident he got along with better.

 

In ep 2 when Dr Bong got a call about the maggot guy, JW followed him to the emergency room to check out the situation after hearing GW’s name. JW didn’t need to be there when GW removed the maggots while Dr Bae was visibly squeamish in front of the patient. I interpreted that he was quietly impressed and perhaps saw her in a new light.

 

I think Dr Jang is an interesting character. Even Dr Bae acknowledged it took guts to chase after that abusive dad and it is definitely not her job as a surgeon to do that. I think it’s only human that GW was disappointed that JW didn’t acknowledge her, it doesn’t necessarily mean she lacks a moral compass. 
 

I agree with Day, GW shouldn’t change too much. She represents a good contrast to JW. He is overly invested/emotional at times which is noble but leaves him at risk of burning out and threatening to quit every year. She seems to show resilience and is responsive to criticism. I’ve met doctors like Dr Jang who are clinical, scientific and hard working. I’m sure she can improve her patient manner and technical skills but she’s still training.

 

Anyway, I’m shipping the two characters but I was disappointed with episode 5. Hope episode 6 is better!!