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13 minutes ago, Sharon Russ said:
Can anyone tell me is any site subbing this?
I don't think there's an official site that is subbing this drama, but a private link/website was included back at page 2. Thankfully that website is graciously providing eng subs!
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5 minutes ago, lovehuche said:
Viki might be subbing this. I saw a page of this drama on Viki
I hope Viki licenses this drama for the U.S.! Otherwise, I hope Youku releases the episodes on YouTube and subs them!
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Yes, episode 3 was really good!!!!! This show is so promising and I really cannot wait to see how this story will unfold!
Episode 3 had a few pieces that reminded me of The Haunting of Hill House (castel/house, the scene of where the main female lead had sleep paralysis and saw a "monster/her mother", and how the mother was mentally ill). For those who have seen The Haunting of Hill House, did you notice these similarities?
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I am loving this drama so far!!! The cinematography, scene transitions, storyline, ost, and characters are intriguing! I cant wait for the upcoming episodes! <3
I took a look at the reported ratings on wiki, and it looks like the ratings dropped a little bit, which is really unfortunate and surprising to me honestly. Does anyone know how the audience in South Korea are reacting to this drama/the aired episodes?
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3 hours ago, carbonara said:
it was always a bit confusing, but am i right to believe that lu ying interrupting the exams could have been prevented had WX not dropped the seal and gotten locked inside the palace?
Yes, I believe so. That's why Wenxi felt really guilty when everything became chaotic (CP's Teacher died, her dad & brother were locked up, etc.).
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@bluehibiscus, thank you for compiling all those cut out pieces for episode 16 together and subbing them for us! Super helpful and insightful to get a glimpse of what really happened.
I've also completed up to episode 53 now with the English subs and am waiting for the rest of the subs to go out on YouTube. When CP finally realizes that Wenxi is Wenxi, I was like, "Sadly it took 3/4 of the drama for him to realize who she was but FINALLY it happened! Thank goodness, and about time!"
Although I felt bad for CP when Wenxi gave him the cold shoulder, he also somewhat deserved it considering what she has gone through.
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I haven't watched the latest episodes/finale, but I've seen some of the uploaded clips on YouTube and read everyone's posts. Bummer, if it's really an open ending....I don't know if my heart can take it haha (but I guess open is better than a sad ending). Since the director said there will be a happy ending, I was hoping for one as a viewer, especially since our leads have gone through a lot.
Can anyone who watched the finale let me know what happened?
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11 hours ago, Reverie said:
Extra translations from 1:34 when General Gu appears as it seems significant to the plot.
Gu: His Royal Highness (Emperor) has sent him (CP) to the Crane Control Bureau
Emperor's General: Arrest the Gu Lady as well!
CP: If (this) corrupt official (referring to himself) were to be indicted and sanctioned, what about the hairpin?
(crane hairpin is shown on WX's head and WX has found her painting which CP kept)
CP voiceover: Draw the same painting for me! I want duo cranes
5P servant: Lady, you may go anywhere you wish.. even Changzhou is possible
(WX cries on seeing new lines of poetry to her painting which CP sent as a sad farewell message to her - the poetry requires an in-depth literary analysis and is difficult to translate here so I will not be doing it unless someone really wants it)
CP voiceover: Now that it has come to this, I can no longer await anything. The only blessing is that you have not become another nightmare of mine. (CP has nightmares of his dead beloved - mother, teacher, wife etc.)
Thank you for translating these moments for us, Reverie! If it's too not much work, could you (or someone who would like to do this too) give us the main highlights/significance of CP's farewell message he wrote through the poem to make Wenxi emotional?
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7 hours ago, bluehibiscus said:
I don’t remember exactly what Teacher Lu said. I need to rewatch that before I can reply.
As to the second point, I explained it in posts #11 and #15 on page 13. He could not face Wenxi or accept her painting because her family had got into trouble because of him and it was no longer possible for him to promise her a future with him. He also couldn’t be seen helping Wenxi and her family in any way as he had chosen his teacher’s posthumous reputation before the Emperor and it was supposed to be irrevocable; if the Emperor found out, there would be dire consequences. Instead he planned to help them indirectly.
Ahh, so that's why. Your explanations provided me with more clarity. Thank you so much for explaining and letting me know about page 13!!!!!!!
As for what Teacher Lu said, it happens in episode 16 around 32:05. Now that I watch it again, the dialogue may not be a poem, but more like words of wisdom, complimented by using the jade as an analogy...maybe? Here's the subs from Youtube's Idol & Romance:
Your Royal Highness
Jade comes from Kungang
The jade will be broken
How can we find beauty in it without destroying it?
How can we find people's virtue without any trial?
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I just completed episode 18, and the last few episodes have been superb. The teacher's last scene with the crown prince was so sad and beautiful at the same time...their acting were on another level!
Anyhow, I have a couple of questions I was hoping someone can give me more details/an explanation.
SpoilerWhat was the deeper meaning behind the teacher's last words for CP? It seemed like he recited a poem. I'm assuming the teacher was using the poem to console CP and telling CP that his death would make CP a better, wiser person/ruler in the future. Was this the overall message, or was there another meaning I might've missed?
I also didn't really understand the part where the emperor made CP choose between the two papers; I think this was also the part where he asked CP to choose between saving Wenxi's family or give a honorable name to his teacher. Lastly, why didn't CP accept Wenxi's painting? It definitely had to do with his conversation with the emperor, but since I didn't really understand that scene (where the emperor made CP choose between the two papers), it was hard for me to fully understand the following scene (where CP didn't accept Wenxi's painting).
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The previews for 44-47 are out
Seems like he will find out her real identity and or is getting suspicious, maybe? Also it looks like there will be more lovey dovey scenes
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Omg, the previews look like our two leads are going to have more heart warming moments!!!! <3 so excited! And yes, thank you @bluehibiscusfor providing the subs.
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1 hour ago, Kachan02 said:
I asked this question before but I’m not sure where my post went. Here it goes againwhat do you guys think CP wanted in his life.
to be powerful emperor or to live away from palace with his family peacefully ?
Hm...that's a great question! My take on this might change after I catch up with all the episodes, but so far with what I've seen and heard (spoilers/recaps), it seems like rather than becoming a powerful emperor, the CP is someone who really just wanted to be loved and give love to people who are important to him in his life (i.e. his teacher, WX). Furthermore, if we think back to the crane symbolism (where the crane is a representation of the CP), it's probably safe to say that he would rather live away from the palace with his loved ones. A crane (CP) will probably never be able to be truly happy if it's housed in a cage (palace).
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4 hours ago, galea said:
I'm probably going to be stepping on a few toes here, but I'm genuinely quite surprised at how many people are mad at CP for treating WX the way he did - not that i'm agreeing with it. I feel like we're looking at it from a very modern perspective, even though such master-servant relationships shouldn't really exist at all in this day and age.
As far as CP is concerned, WX is just another servant. We've seen so far that he generally treats his own servants well and would develop quite amicable relationships with them. He only gets pissed off when he has reason to be and scolds his servants when he has the need to (and this is all very fitting for this sort of time period), but otherwise he is not exactly sadistic or abusive. As for WX, she already seemed suspicious as heck from the moment he met her. His first impression of her was probably "absent-minded" and "presumptuous" for disrupting the flow of his wedding (by dropping the scissors) and telling the crown princess about his personality when they had never even met before, respectively.
IMO, she hasn't acted like a servant very successfully thereafter - she's just too bold in her actions, and it has been interesting to see how CP responded to this. If he knew she was WX from the beginning, there is no way he would've treated her the way he would treat a servant overstepping her boundaries on far too many occasions. His feelings for her haven't dampened. At this point, all he probably cares about in regards to her situation is that she is likely to be safe, even if he couldn't guarantee the safety of her family.
When he finds out, I wouldn't find it very realistic to see him grovel and beg for forgiveness. I can see him being shocked, concerned, disappointed and guilty though, because he didn't realise sooner that it was her and that not only did he not manage to keep her safe, but he was also partly responsible for the pain she experienced. I imagine he'll also want to know why the heck she didn't tell him who she was.
Great point you brought up! While it's quite upsetting to hear that the CP is treating WX poorly, like you mentioned, it makes sense given the time period/cultural values at that time. Of course as a viewer (once I actually watch those scenes when the subs are out), I am going to be torn and upset with the CP because WX is innocent and she's our female lead! With that said, however, I also appreciate how the drama and story is portraying the realism of life. The reality is, humans are flawed, prone to greed, and will operate based off of their values, customs, and beliefs. And so far, the story has done a really good job to show that theme to the audience. Plus, as a viewer, I've always thought it was a lot more meaningful to have a male lead who is somewhat flawed. It just makes their character a lot more dynamic, complex, and real.
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Also, I'm so happy to hear that Royal Nirvana is climbing the charts! I hope it becomes #1 <3
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1 hour ago, caranita said:Spoiler
I'm not up to date with the episodes since I'm waiting for subs; is Lady Chen CP's maid/servant? If so, for me, I'm actually not too surprised. I think there were scenes during the earlier episodes that hinted to her hidden love for CP. I think there was even a scene where the other maids/servants were doing laundry/hanging up clothes and gossiped about how Lady Chen was probably hoping to be CP's concubine one day.
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1 hour ago, Sunnysunday83110 said:
At this point... Does the CP really love his wife?
It seems like it.
I'm not caught up on the episodes since I'm waiting for subs. But from what I've read on this thread, it sounds like CP loves his wife out of respect since they are husband and wife.
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2 hours ago, bluehibiscus said:
Ding Quan (fingering a piece of embroidery of a crane): “You spent all night just to embroider this quail.”
Wenxi (snatching the embroidery from him): “It is not a quail.”
Ding Quan: That quail, you are not allowed to give it to someone else.
Hi, great analysis! There is actually a historical context behind the title which means “The Cry of a Crane at the Chinese Pavilion”. The author also made references to other historical accounts when naming each chapter. In the case of the title, it was a phrase uttered by an official called Lu Ji just before he died due to being implicated in the War of the Eight Princes. He had been a brilliant scholar who had caught the notice of Prince of Chengdu, Sima Ying, who then recruited him and relied on him heavily. When there was war, he was made a general in charge of a large army despite his protests (remember he was a scholar). When his army suffered heavy defeat, other villains set him up as being on close terms with Sima Ying’s brother, Prince of Changsha, and he was sentenced to death. The phrase was his way of expressing his longing for the carefree days he had before entering officialdom and his regret over becoming an official. Different variations of the phrase were also used by other poets.
In one of the scenes in Ep1, it is clear the crane represented the CP. Lu Ying said the snow was deep at the palace and the CP might not be as carefree as the crane in Wenxi’s painting. In response, Wenxi said the crane was a fierce bird of prey capable of fighting with the eagle.
The lone crane in the painting may also indicate the loneliness in CP’s his heart as his relationship with the Emperor was distant and his mother and sister had died early on. Subsequently, when she and CP discussed the painting, he requested for her to do a replica with two cranes, which symbolised his hope for them to become a pair. Alas, for various reasons, she never managed to paint two cranes and CP remained a lone crane in the painting.
Thank you for providing the translation to the mv!! Awww I can't wait to see that scene <3 And thank you for providing the historical context to the crane.
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On 12/14/2019 at 1:34 AM, cheerieK said:
Anyone who watched this mv and know what the Crown Prince and Wenxi say at about 1:20? I'm assuming the dialogue is related to their previous interactions/exchange of communication during the early stages of their relationship, specifically the painting of the mountains, rivers, and cranes.
On the other hand, what is everyone’s interpretation/theory behind the crane symbolism in this drama?
I figured this crane analogy must be significant since it’s used and talked about multiple times throughout the drama so far (even though I’ve only watched until episode 14). Also, sorry for the long post haha. I tend to geek out and want to do a lot of analysis for dramas that excite me! I also love reading different theories and interpretations, and so please share your thoughts!
Anyhow, I did a quick google search and found that the crane symbolized peace as well as longevity in China (not sure if this is completely accurate since I took this from the first search that appeared; please correct me if I’m wrong). Also, I reviewed the definition of “crane” via google search. If the term is used as a verb, the definition is, a large, tall machine used for moving heavy objects by suspending them from a projecting arm or beam. On the other hand, if the term is used as a noun, the definition then becomes, stretch out one's body or neck in order to see something. Three major pieces jump out at me from this search.
-Peace & longevity
-Stretch to see something
-Move heavy objectsI find these three pieces fitting together in a way that creates an interesting dynamic when thinking about our lead. As the Crown Prince who will one day become the Emperor, he is responsible to keep the court, people, and kingdom/country in peace especially since the political climate is influenced by tricks, schemes, and power. Due to these ploys, the Crown Prince is forced to always think ahead and be one step ahead. He is burdened with always having to take action by stretching to see what may and will be ahead. Failing to do so would mean losing his position, loved ones, and the peace among the court, people, and kingdom/country. Furthermore, having to navigate a bumpy pathway to maintain peace requires critical and strategic thinking. This navigation for our Crown Prince is not easy and reflects how moving heavy objects tend to not be an easy task as it requires strength and energy. This challenge aligns precisely to what the Crown Prince’s teacher has told him…
Who told you in this world we could have the easy ways to go?
In your heart, you may not understand this
But one day you will understand
If you listen to me, you will find it hard
But if you don’t listen to me, you will go to a dead end.
(English subs/translation is from Idol & Romance YouTube Channel)Lastly, I think it’s also interesting to reflect about how the crane, a bird, is not meant to be restrained. Instead, like any animal, it should be out in the wilderness. Because the wilderness is its home, it’ll be more at peace and happy. Unfortunately, our Crown Prince, who may want to have that part of the crane (freedom, flexibility, peace, and longevity), can’t really have it due to the responsibilities that boxes him in as the future Emperor. Perhaps, his only option would be to hold dear to his heart that he will one day be able to have that freedom.
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2 hours ago, bluehibiscus said:
Hi, that is one of my favourite scenes too.
Here is my attempt at translation:
Your daughter is like the mountains and rivers which, while I’ve not seen with my own eyes, I know must be very beautiful. You don’t know how much I envy the one who will be able to see her.
(Referring to their last conversation) It is something worth anticipating, not something to relive in memory. Please wait for me.
Beautiful translation and dialogue overall! Also, thank you (and everyone) for all the clarification and insights you've contributed to this thread. I couldn't help myself but review the spoilers hahahaha. I'm so excited and can't wait until the subs get out!!!!
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Hi, Everyone! It’s been a while since I’ve watched a costume drama where I wanted to continue investing as a viewer. I’ve been slowly watching the subbed episodes, and I’m tempted to pause watching so I could binge watch a collection of episodes. However, due to the compelling storyline and acting, especially from our Crown Prince, I can’t help but continue watching. After watching the first 11 episodes, one word comes to mind when describing this drama, remarkable. The pace, plot, storyline, and budding romance between our lead characters piece together well to make the drama remain engaging. I’m excited to see how this story will continue to unfold. I just hope I won’t have to spill too many tears throughout this journey (though I know will probably be grabbing my tissues a lot haha).
I also wanted to take a moment to share how moving the Crown Prince’s dialogue was towards Wenxi in episode 11...
Spoilerwhere her father refused the continuation of their relationship. It was one of my favorite scenes from that episode actually. Although Wenxi was on the other side of the room, he was unable to meet her. So instead he used words to convey and confess his love towards Wenxi.
Your daughter is like the mountains and the rivers
I may not see them
But I can imagine how beautiful it is
Royal minister, you may not know how I envy the one who can marry herIt’s expectation, not the memory
Please wait for me(English subs/translation is from Idol & Romance YouTube Channel)
This scene was beautiful and heart wrenching at the same time. With this storyline, it’s going to be quite a rollercoaster for our leads, but the happy ending will make up for it (hopefully if the director sticks to his words).
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1 hour ago, vintage_chutzpah said:
I'm thinking of watching this. Before I get highly invested, what kind of ending is this? Happy, Sad or Open?
So happy to hear you are considering this drama because I enjoyed it (even though it was a roller coaster and had some gaps)!! Mmm...depending on a person's interpretation, the ending could be sad or open. I think the ending fell more towards the sad/tragic category for me. However, I accepted the ending/knew long before that it wasn't going to end well. On a flip side, they did do a 3 or 4 mini short episodes that focus more on a happy ending/another (modern) life. Hope this helps you decide!!!!
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1 hour ago, Erafera1 said:
Engsub
Cr.Nana Chou
Wow, a lot was left out! Those scenes are small but make quite a difference! So thankful for the subs!!!! Was the narrator in the beginning the General?
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@Le_Amarant, thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights! I definitely think your argument/perspective makes sense! GJ being killed, although was wrong for me, I didn’t feel too bad for him because he was asking for it/knew that his actions would eventually make LCY kill him. LCY even forewarned him. Hahaha and I didn’t really like GJ’s character since I was so invested in our leads. I know GJ wanted the best for XF, but I couldn’t come to truly like him due to some of his actions in the drama (if anything, the person who I truly felt bad for was XF because she was the victim throughout the whole story). I agree with the point that LCY had to do what he had to do with GJ due to political factors. I have some buy-in; however, I’m not completely sold.
I’m going to start by first defining what I mean by “monster.” In this case, I see the monster as a greater being who has the power to control human beings, and this greater being is jealousy, revenge, and selfishness. It’s the so called “bad/evil” part of humans. When jealousy, revenge, and selfishness devours a person, that person will ultimately turn into “that monster”. I actually think all humans are capable of becoming a monster because it lives within us. We have flaws. The important part is whether we let that caged monster out of us or not.
Just out of curiosity, how do you all define what it means to be a monster and or what does it take to be a monster?
With all that said, when LCY decided to kill GJ, that “good” human part of him was devoured. The moment LCY decided to kill GJ, he opened the cage for this monster to come out, and in place came the “evil/bad” part of being a human. If there were more evidence shown in the drama that LCY was concerned about his status/kingdom/empire during this particular plot of the story (GJ’s death), then I would have been more convinced. Again, I’m not saying that I don’t agree; I just wasn’t completely sold. In my perspective, the political side that drove LCY’s actions were lacking. Most of the scenes dedicated to show LCY’s order to kill GJ were more so due to being jealous of “GXW” since GXW had the luxury of being loved by XF when LCY didn’t. For example, even at the last breaths of GJ when XF put his hairpin on her head, LCY’s face was filled with jealousy and hate. He wasn’t concerned about his political status. He was concerned about not having XF’s heart. He believed that XF didn’t love him anymore/never loved him. Because of that belief, he slowly let the caged monster within him out, all of which eventually overtook him and led to GJ’s death.
A part of me thinks that some of us are unable to label LCY as a monster because we are too attached to his character; we want to like him and can’t bear to hate him because as the viewers, we have seen the whole story from a third person perspective. We empathize and feel bad for LCY. Although XF didn’t see the whole story from a third person view, at the end of the story, she too was someone who couldn’t hate him although he has done a lot of horrible things. Why? Because a part of her may have also felt guilty for the baggage he had to carry as someone who wanted to be the crown prince/get his revenge. Just because LCY’s actions may have been “justifiable due to political reasons,” that doesn’t mean that killing GJ was “right.”
Therefore, I think it’s understandable that LCY was jealous, but he was a little too extreme for me to the point that he was obsessed; there could’ve been other ways to punish GJ. LCY killing GJ on one end was to prevent the political side from becoming unbalanced, but on the other end, I truly think it was more due to making sure that XF would be tied to him completely. Plus, if you really love someone, wouldn’t you let them go if that’ll make them happier despite the fact that you will be unhappy? A huge part of love for me means sacrifice; you sacrifice a part of yourself (happiness) so that your loved one will be happy. I am not confident to say that LCY let XF go;he's always wanted her for himself. LCY’s is a genius/that’s a characteristic of his character; he was able to get his “third wife” out of the palace, and so I think if he really was willing to make a sacrifice and let XF go (even though she's the crown princess/9th princess), he could’ve made arrangements.
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Although I felt bad for CP when Wenxi gave him the cold shoulder, he also somewhat deserved it considering what she has gone through.
Can anyone who watched the finale let me know what happened?
I just completed episode 18, and the last few episodes have been superb. The teacher's last scene with the crown prince was so sad and beautiful at the same time...their acting were on another level!
Seems like he will find out her real identity and or is getting suspicious, maybe? Also it looks like there will be more lovey dovey scenes 
[Mainland Chinese Web Drama 2020] Love and Redemption 琉璃美人煞
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I agree!!!!!! I haven't read the story, but when I heard about the aunt plot, it didn't seem that exiting to me. I'm glad to hear they changed it for the drama. And it would be interesting if SF's master is actually his Dad!