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@starrymaze, yes, yes, yes to everything that you wrote!!!!!!!!!
I was going to quote sections of your post, but then realized that I wanted to include all the paragraphs after the ones I had in mind, which basically meant that I would have quoted the whole thing. So, instead of quoting I’ll just endorse: Please read @starrymaze‘s post again, with a huge thumbs-up from me.
The writing of CYK’s character was such a breath of fresh air. Every time her hoobae, Kim Min-jae, looked at her with such obvious respect, or her rival, Kang Man-soo, looked out for her well-being, I thrilled and did an internal happy-dance. (As someone who works in a field that is 97% male, I love public reminders that men can and do respect their female colleagues and mentors.) Only a woman who walked a feminist talk in her own life could convincingly portray CYK. Similarly, only a man who was willing to cede the limelight to a woman could play her counterpart.
When I first saw KNG in Pirates, I fell in love with his obvious willingness to let his female costar have the last word or carry the day at his expense. As an actor, he seemed so utterly at ease with coming in second to his female lead that I thought he had to be showing a part of his true self. Since LUTYN had so many implausible elements that could have caused the show to founder in the hands of lesser actors, it depended upon the authenticity of its cast, and especially its leads. Casting a woman who was strong, dedicated, and intelligent in her own right against a man who was giving, dedicated, and intelligent in his own right was what made this drama magical. Kudos to whomever brought KAJ and KNG on board!!
@etherealk408, thank you so much for your cultural perspective on the V Live segment!!!
It sheds so much light and dissolves so many of our concerns. Your input - and that of all of our translators and subbers and timers and overall beautiful contributors - is invaluable. Confirmation of the respect and delicate work that was already underway between KNG and KAJ is much appreciated.
Thanks, again!
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@leba and @sukbin, thanks for your dialogue, which has me thinking in new ways about HI’s and CYK’s relationship, and KNG’s and KAJ’s. At least we have KAJ’s interviews to use as confirmation that she consciously changed her approach to KNG over the course of the drama, and, when the time was right in the storyline, she did so by deliberately opening herself to him.
No wonder KAJ speaks so openly of wanting to date and marry: During the course of LUTYN, she found (or created for herself) a professional reason to step beyond her normal barriers and extend herself to match someone else’s vibration...and she was amply rewarded, by KNG and the show’s many avid fans. She took a risk and succeeded, in grand fashion.
I agree that KNG was cool to KAJ, at first. But I like thinking, now, that the reasons were not so much because they didn’t click (we know that they did, from day one) but because of the walls KAJ probably had around her. Even with her crush on him, KAJ sat - literally and figuratively - at a remove from him. KNG wasn’t rejecting her, in the beginning; he likely didn’t think any less of KAJ. She just did not give him much to work with...until she did.
What I enjoy about this perspective - which, again, your conversation has inspired - is that, even with a spark, work is required. KAJ mentioned as much in her interviews, regarding the effort she put in to be as flexible as KNG. Her crush may have given her the motivation to match him and the courage to love a person/character sooner and deeper than she would have otherwise, but according to her recent statements, her active acceptance of KNG’s approach and style and his acceptance of hers are what turned the tide.
The universe had already given them chemistry to spare, but to really unlock its potential they had to make the effort to open themselves to each other. In a weird way, they had to live up to their names (as actors and people), too. Hopefully, one day we’ll hear directly from KNG about how healing this show was for him. Because clearly it was eye-opening for KAJ and it had to have been no less so for him.
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Annyeong everyone, and thanks for all the stellar insights, translations, and video postings!!
For the past couple of days, I’ve been asking myself why I like the Acupuncture Kiss so much. It’s one of my favorite on-screen kisses of all time. When I look at the mechanics of it, I see many of the same techniques that KNG employed in Bad Guy. Even the lip-biting is a familiar gesture of his. KAJ’s kisses in prior works (like My PS Partner) I have not revisited, but for the sake of argument, I’ll assume that she has a kissing toolkit of her own. So, if the mechanics are not new or unique, what is so different and compelling about this kiss? And am I dreaming that anything IS different about it?
For shippers, the question of reel versus real is an almost daily one. On any given day or at any hour we may convince ourselves of one end of the spectrum or the other. But one thing that I can’t deny, whether reel or real, is that the Acupuncture Kiss is a soul kiss. It represents a perfect alignment of two people’s minds, hearts, and bodies. The art of acting is often about portraying an alignment (or misalignment) that one does not actually feel within oneself. This pretense can, of course, extend to kisses, but not to kisses that are this complete in their impact. Regardless of the romantic feelings or intentions that KNG and KAJ may hold for each other, the synergy between them is undeniable. The chemistry between them is striking because they are on the same wavelength on so many levels. Actors can and do find points of connection with their costars that can be held for moments at a time. Yet, to adlib to the extent that the Gum Couple did requires complete immersion, not only individually, but as a unit. At this point, they are literally co-writing the script for their characters, based solely on the common ground that they’ve found. In my humble experience, when artists come across this level of fluid collaboration and trust, they tend to work together as frequently as possible, because the inspiration is so delicious and addictive. (Jazz and classical musician trios come to mind.)
Whether the Gum Couple is romantically involved now or not, their connection is unusually strong and multi-tiered. If they could give us the soul-tingling Acupuncture Kiss (and every other soulful scene that followed), then we can trust that this connection will work its magic in the same way that the needle case did.
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1 hour ago, 3z3zm3lp said:
Basing from that oriental clinic picturre, im pretty sure they met early this year and decided to do studies of their characters. In the name of the drama, they met often to discuss things about the drama and maybe became friends from being mere acquaintance. I think during this time, they found a common ground and had great time discussing ideas for the drama. That is why during the photoshoot and early episodes they were alreay a bit comfortable with each other. But no love vibes since there was not much lovelines in the earlier episodes. As the episode progressed, i think they bonded more since it was live shooting, as she said, they had to trust each other. At this time, friendship, trust, and repsect are a big check. Also a big check is that they clearly enjoy each others company. I think that intense kiss really pushed them from the boundery they set. No matter how professional you try to be but if you felt something in a kiss then ha! And boy they did it naturally and it is quite evident that they were shook after that intense scene, mind you, that was the edited version, we dont know the actual scenario. Then even if they try to shake it of as professional acting, they were forced again to act a couple so inlove Praise pdnim for letting them do what they want in the pretense of shooting! I bet pdnim and the writer at sort of matchmakers lol.
I love this sequence of events!! I also love the comments that people are making regarding KAJ’s happy demeanor: a woman ignored or passed over she does not appear to be. A woman flush with optimism and conviction, yes.
In my own delusional world, I’d like to think that a director’s cut of LUTYN would be too revealing for a couple in the early stages of a relationship. Let the director have made the decision not to release more BTS clips out of respect for KAJ’s and KNG’s privacy.
Also, a lot of people have made great observations that I would love to credit here, but work and a fast-moving thread are foiling me. Still, thank you, all!
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On 07/10/2017 at 10:39 AM, Fallenangel_c said:
Hi everyone! Bee lurking at soompi for awhile now and I’m glad to find this forum for uri Gum Couple!! Been a song aong shipper before and our Gum couple is the second otp that I’m totally shipping, so cross fingers that they also have end up just like SSC!
Did you guys notice that from the cake cutting after KNG & KAJ cut the cake, KNG’s body is leaning towards KAJ’s direction? And his chest is tounching KAJ’s back.
To everyone who might be worried about KNG’s nonchalance during the wrap-up party, I submit to you @Fallenangel_c‘s keen observation. (If other people have made the same observation in this fast-moving thread, please accept my apologies and know that this acknowledgment and my appreciation extend to you.) After reading it, I looked more closely at the footage and, sure enough, KNG quite slyly slides against KAJ’s body for some subtle contact. Nicely done, my man.
Also, I am in the camp that believes KAJ would not have sung KNG’s praises to the heavens without prior communication with him. Overall, I really admire how she has handled her crush on him. In the beginning, I can imagine KNG staying at arm’s length, for fear of how KAJ’s admiration for him might affect their ability to work together. But at no point during filming did she ever pull her punches for him. Admiring him did not mean losing sight of her own purpose or vision as an actress. Interested in him though she might have been, she never faltered in shaping their scenes together or providing input for the show’s direction. Once he saw that KAJ could like him without losing herself, I think KNG opened up to her more, too. (The open-hearted acting that KAJ credits for their explosive chemistry was definitely two-sided, as was their artistic trust.)
One of the BTS clips, when KAJ and KNG are rehearsing post-Joseon-fire scenes, complete with burnt hanbok, shows KNG holding onto a railing and cocking his hip, as he stares at KAJ. In this moment, he strikes me as considering KAJ from a new perspective. He’s not smitten with her. She’s probably not what he would consider his “type.” But she is saying and doing things that he considers “interesting.” With his curiosity piqued, the tenor shifts. He stops putting professional distance between them and, bit by bit, the sparks really start to fly.
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Annyeong, yeoreobun!
Much analysis of body language appears to await back-reading, and I so look forward to catching up on everyone's posts. In the interim, has anyone else noticed that KNG's facial appearance changed after the acupuncture kiss? I've looked at episodes and BTS clips from before and after it and I really think his face took on a glow after that kiss.
The chemistry between these two actors is amazing from day one, but it seems more professional, at first, even if KAJ gives off a vibe of being intrigued by, interested in, and admiring of KNG. At some point, as I think others have noted, the tables seem to have flipped, with KNG becoming increasingly aware of how well he fits with KAJ. The first time I really thought about shipping them was when I saw them lying on the hospital bed together. Their bodies seemed to fit together effortlessly, like a lock and key. KAJ executed a roll into KNG's body that would have been a 10, if rolling into people on a narrow bed were an Olympic sport.
This constant and ever-increasing clicking on professional, mental, skill-level, and physical levels can't have gone unnoticed by our Gum couple. Something happened to KNG during that acupuncture kiss, though. His demeanor completely changed after it and he looks like a different, younger, happier man since it. Does anyone else agree?
Edit: If BTS footage from the acupuncture kiss never sees the light of day, then I'll be even more convinced that a more personal kind of heat was generated.
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I swore I would not ship this couple, for the simple reasons that I have male colleagues with whom I truly enjoy working and sometimes we tap each other on the arm (and engage in some level of skinship) to make a point and actors might need to have even more skinship as part of their roles. But, yeah, my colleagues and I maintain a professional bubble of space around us and if that bubble has been pierced for the Gum couple, as evidenced in the Namsan Tower BTS clips, you'll see more of me in this thread.
Also, does anyone else think that KNG might be in love with KAJ's hair? The way he repeatedly stroked it made me wonder how silky it might be and if they were prepping for a shampoo CF.
Edit: For anyone who was asking what KNG calls KAJ, I heard him refer to her as "Ah-joong-shi" in the VLive recording.
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Hugs, fellow Stargazers!
In preparation for our anniversary celebration, what would you all think of running a survey, to see (1) when we first thought about boarding HMS JoonU, (2) when we officially did, and (3) what's kept us on board?
For me, the answers would be:
(1) When LJE patted LJG's chest and he touched her arm, while he read from his script in her lap. Definitely an eyebrow raiser.
(2) When LJE and LJG spoke in their own language, complete with hysteria, giggles, and jumping up and down while holding each other's arms, backstage at the SAF.
(3) How each one lights up - in megawatt measurements - when the other one is so much as in the building. That kind of joy cannot be contained and is hard to duplicate or replace.
What would everyone else's answers be?
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Hi, @goldenmoon. As @chi13lou and @desvlo wrote, we're baaaack and so happy to be.
Happy anniversary to this most awesome of threads! Many blessings upon the heads of everyone - new and old - who makes this forum such a fun place to be.
'Til next week!
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Regarding criticism of MLSHR that may help our cause to address, we had some pretty interesting discussions in this thread back in December, I believe, in which a few of us came to the conclusion that MLSHR was the cult hit and gem that it was precisely because it was rough around the edges and experimental in its directing and writing choices. Had it been a smoothly polished stone, we all would have moved on to other dramas long ago. But the imperfections in timing or writing or close-ups or pacing or casting created a textured surface that spawned fanfics that are still going strong today and one of the most active Soompi forums and loyal fan bases ever. Imperfections in execution have inspired creative interaction with the work that would not have been possible or necessary were MLSHR as slick as it needed to be to be commercially successful in South Korea. We love the show because it is as realistic - in the pain and suffering and hope and determination that its characters experience - and unfinished - in its open ending - as we are.
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9 hours ago, summer2017 said:
LET'S VOTE!!! click on link below
https://polldaddy.com/poll/9789093/?msg=commentAdd#comment2663419
@summer2017, @meahri_1, @ktcjdrama, I've voted! I hope everyone who has loved this show can join us, too!
@meahri_1, @summer2017, and @chi13lou, thank you so very much for your efforts with our submission!!!!
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The time for proposing favorite scenes may be past, but, for the record, my top five favorite moments in MLSHR were:
1. The scene between Hae Soo and Oh Sanggoong, in the cave, when Hae Soo finally wants nothing more than to run away from the palace and save Oh Sanggoong
2. The scene between Queen Yoo and Queen Hwangbo, when Queen Hwangbo drops to her knees, in order to beg for her children's lives, and Queen Yoo sneers at her from above, telling Queen Hwangbo to get up, because she's making a spectacle of herself in front of the servants
3. The scene between Wang So and Seol, when he recognizes his daughter, tries to take her, and then lets her go
4. The acceptance kiss scene between Wang So and Hae Soo, in Episode 14
5. The prison scene between Wang So and Hae Soo
With so many other moments vying for "honorable mention!"
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3 hours ago, meahri_1 said:
Okay. So who's joining me for the KDRAMA contest?? I totally understand if you're also fans of DOTS, or want to support Joongi in his upcoming CM. Just need a few people to join me.
ANYONE?
Count me in, too, @meahri_1. I'll have a list for you soon.
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On 01/07/2017 at 1:38 PM, loljk17 said:
I discovered Korean dramas for about five years and I saw LJG in Time between dog and wolf and I liked it. Since then I have watched all his series after the army, but none of them liked as much as Scarlet.
I was sure that ,,something in the air" after seeing SAF awards but something happened in this winter that LJG returned to his old girlfriend ( and Dispatch was vigilant)… I think the storm passed and things have settled for LJG, he seems to have regained his good mood but it looks like LJG no longer at yesterday and it seems to have gone his childlike effervescence and mature calm installed.
An age seems to have passed since I was last active in this thread, but I have to agree with your comment, loljk17: LJG does seem more at peace, now, than he has since the dating news broke in early April. I, too, think the storm is passing. The price it has exacted seems to be the childlike effervescence that you note and its reward appears to be that mature calm.
While I pray that JoonU survives the current crisis a better, stronger couple than they were before it began, I do not rue the conflict brought on by the dating news. Instead, I look forward to my favorite part of any life-changing event: the aftermath, when we get to see how people's decisions under duress have shaped them and caused them to become (hopefully) even better versions of themselves. In IU and LJG we see enormous talent, much of it developed through years of hard work, but even more of it, as yet, untapped and raw. When I see the radiance in IU and the maturity in LJG, of late, I cannot help but be excited for where these more battle-hardened and committed versions of the stars we have been shipping might take us next, artistically, professionally, and - at a distance - personally.
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I'm all in, as well. Couldn't stop shipping JoonU if I tried, and I have no desire to try.
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58 minutes ago, violet90 said:
watching their bts together really break my heart... don't get me wrong i get that maybe JHB really make JG happy but seeing him with Jieun is on another level.. he just so happy around her that make my heart hurt.. maybe this is what we call fate.. they see each other on the wrong time and place but nevertheless still able to make us ship them...
no matter what i think JoonU is just so special in my heart.......
For exactly the reasons you've described, @violet90, I'm willing to give them time. The kind of joy they draw out of each other doesn't come along every day.
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28 minutes ago, moonlovers said:Finally thank u @Enigmatic_angel for the hintDeleted or BTS clips like this one are exactly what have given this ship life. I can't help but see how comfortable LJG is with touching and holding LJE, or how badly he wants just one more kiss (), or how LJE's right thumb strokes his hand, or how her hand settles first on his voluminous robes, and then moves to rub and pat his wrist. Perhaps all of these actions are in-character only, but the ease, the consistency, and the repetitiveness of them understandably cause collective eyebrows to rise.
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Thank you, @jen459, for the additional background on IU; your point makes a lot of sense. Thanks, too, @postnihilism, for your explanation; as usual, you knocked it out of the park.
Reid sounds like an intriguing choice for LJG. Definitely a step away from action roles and into other aspects of his acting abilities.
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Thank you, everyone, for the correction, and @WH, for the link to the video. One of the things I love about this thread is the freedom to try out ideas, express opinions, be wrong, be set straight a bit, and have the level of fun never diminish.
Truly, one of my favorite hang-outs!
SpoilerSomewhat coincidentally, the topic of right vs. wrong has been on my mind for a few days, ever since I saw some comments, elsewhere, in which people expressed a feeling of "vindication," since the LJG-JHB dating news had "invalidated" the JoonU ship. Since when has shipping JoonU become a matter of objective "right" or "wrong?" @postnihilism has touched on this topic before, but on what grounds does morality enter into the shipping equation? And why do "right" and "wrong" ways to follow celebrities exist? How can anyone ever claim that they stand on the moral high-ground of following and appreciating celebrities, while everyone else's form of following and appreciating is just mucking through swampland and mud? And why would the confirmation-of-dating news actually "invalidate" JoonU? Why would the "game" be called now? In truth, the "game" has just begun and will last for as long as LJG and LJE are alive. Anyone who is this quick to call "Victory!" over JoonU shippers is a touch overzealous...and oddly insecure.
I may never understand why this ship upsets so many other celebrity followers. Nothing about the space we have created here is inappropriate, hostile, or derogatory. We're not stalkers. We just see things and call them as we see them, and we keep each other in check. LJG announcing that he is dating JHB does not make us "wrong" or "losers" or terrible fans for trying to "force" a relationship (through mind control??) or terrible judges of character or generally lacking individuals who can't tell fantasy from reality.
Shipping JoonU is not like saying "I see unicorns." It's more akin to saying, "I see double rainbows and fields full of butterflies."
And for everyone who is mocking us, saying "See? You can't know the motivations or thoughts or feelings of public figures," I want to turn that very comment back on them: Even though LJG and JHB have confirmed that they are dating, you don't know their motivations, thoughts, or feelings, either. Behind closed doors, couples argue as much as they love, and, unfortunately, they make each other miserable as much as they make each other happy. Your favorite celebrity now being paired "appropriately," in your eyes, does not mean that you know anything more than we, as JoonU shippers, have known. In fact, you may know less.
As for the perpetual fan service argument, I leave you with this thought:
On what kind of terms do two people have to be for a man to drag his right hand down a woman's left hip and have her not flinch but, instead, beam at him?
Co-worker terms? Or something more?
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3 minutes ago, sosooyah19 said:
He said he's dating? When? It should have been quite a ruckus here if he said that...
My only recollection is of a BTS clip in which Hong Jong-hyun asks LJG if he is dating. LJG evades a bit and then says, "Yes." When HJH asks him whom he is dating, LJG answers, "My fans."
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@sscllccrazy, I've loved your recent posts, and feel compelled to add my two cents to your theory:
SpoilerA few words immediately come to mind, when faced with this sudden expose: blackmail...amateurish timing...crime of passion.
Dispatch, in my estimation, is a tool, no more than a sledgehammer. I don't think they had the photos all this time. I believe Dispatch was given the photos by someone who had been hoarding them for months or years, looking for a way in which to maximally leverage the pictures and manipulate LJG. In a moment of anger, this same person or persons attempted to hurt LJG, instead. Why do I think so? Because the timing is so strange. It is neither here nor there. It has no long-term strategy behind it. It came just as MEC was ending, to rave reviews, and before a fan meeting and the Criminal Minds announcement. Frankly, with IU's upcoming album release and LJG's new drama, this news will soon be subsumed and forgotten by all but a few (relatively speaking) fans. A more sophisticated attack would have occurred at a time with fewer distractions on the horizon and in a series of barrages. This bombshell has nothing linked to it or supporting it. Once deflected, nothing appears to be lined up to replace it.
These suppositions are purely my own and based solely on the air of malice that I believe has accompanied the leaked report and photos.
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Cheers, @freckledcontessa! And hugs - big hugs - to you and everyone on this ship.
A blessed and peaceful day/night from my side of the world.
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53 minutes ago, freckledcontessa said:
JE is the queen of JG for me. That is not very possible at the moment but it is not impossible. Until the end, my dear, cheers!
P.S. If only it's possible to drink unlimited bottles of dom perignon. If only it's possible to put the expenses on JG's tab. It's 11:43 AM and i am talking about champagne. I am clearly not alright.
Hands down, my favorite post of the day.
Yes, why not get drunk on fine wine and send LJG the tab? We've been drunk on fine chemistry for months, now. Why sober up? Let's say LJG and JHB are real. If they are (do you like how l'm not yet convinced? ), good for them. Their relationship does not make LJG and LJE less real. I have no doubt that LJG and LJE are attracted to each other. If JHB were not in the picture, JoonU would probably be on their way to secretly dating and becoming perfect Dispatch fodder. And Namoo Actors would be repeating their favorite "close colleagues" chorus.
I came for the magic, and I'll stay for the magic, no matter which form or wild path it takes. Thanks!
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Of all things, the MEC news - that the production staff have decided to pull the last episode with PMY - makes me curse far more than the news that LJG and JHB are confirmed to be dating. D$&@ it!!!!! I was enjoying that show!!!
I get that the fallout has begun. For me, this kind of aftermath will be harder to bear than the actual dating confirmation.
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[OFFICIAL] GUM COUPLE ❤ | Kim Nam Gil & Kim Ah Joong | Im ❤ Kyung
in shippers' paradise
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Many thanks to @siena and @etherealk408, for the early and confirmed translations, and to everyone here for the analyses since then.
Regarding the tears that KNG shed following the filming of LUTYN, I attribute them to the fact that he was taken from the modern-day Seoul in which he was reunited with KAJ's character and transported to another locale, not unlike being sent back to Joseon. Whereas KAJ could maintain the illusion of happiness that would come from staying in a time and place where she had just reconnected with her character's lover, KNG was sent away, to an environment where nothing of that joyful reunion remained. Having just experienced, so viscerally, the pain that HI felt at Namsan Tower and again when he pierced his own heart, while looking into CYK's eyes, being removed from the set of LUTYN, to film a new story, founded in a new world and in a new location, could easily have caused KNG to revisit the sensations of wrenching loss. Fortunately, the peace of KNG's current filming site provided the solace he needed, as much as being in a remote location (again, not unlike Joseon) contributed to his suffering. Just as HI successfully readjusted to Joseon life, KNG has begun to regain his emotional footing and likely separate himself from the character of HI.
For these reasons, I don't think that the tears KNG described were due to missing KAJ, but due to reliving the separation from a loved one that HI experienced, as KNG moved to a new filming site. That he would re-inhabit this set of tortured emotions probably did take him by surprise, as even he might not have been aware of how thoroughly he "became" HI. Because his personal change in location caused his last impression of HI to be one of pain, exorcising the character from himself likely was more saddening than he expected from a drama with a happier ending. By contrast, the overall joy that he exudes I attribute to the acceptance and harmony that he found with KAJ, whether professionally or personally. Feeling understood and welcomed and seen and valued makes people smile from the inside out, and I do see that kind of happiness in KNG these days.
I also agree with @YuKo Wong: we don't know what stage of relationship or non-relationship the Gum Couple is in, at the moment. Like many actors who experience crazy chemistry with a co-star, they might be stepping back for a bit, to see what remains of their connection, personally. Time will tell. On our side, though, we have their intense professional rapport, which may well cause them to be cast opposite each other in the near future. We also have excellent detectives here, ready to analyze crumbs in the forms of sleeve lengths and BTS stares, and give us more food for thought.