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[Soompi Debate] Plastic Surgery; Love it or Hate it?

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I can respect that a person's identity and their physical existence are inseparably related to the extent that a change in physical appearance will trigger a change in how they perceive or feel about themselves, just like how a person's own feelings about their identity can cause a deep-seated desire to cause a change in how they look. For example, if you conceive of yourself as a rebellious individual, then it's more than typical to adopt physical markers of such an identity such as style, haircut, etc. etc. Or, if you conceive of yourself as someone who is of the opposite gender than the one you biologically already are, then it's fairly natural to want to induce physical changes to match your internal gender. To argue that body and self play no role in shaping each other seems out of touch with how people define themselves.

I'm ambivalent about the argument that we should just accept our bodies as they naturally are. After all, many people get haircuts and manicures and wear make up. Many people get tattoos and piercings. However, these physical alterations are not usually seen as self-negating, but self-affirming. That is to say, the haircut you choose or the clothes you choose are often seen as methods to express your identity and feelings as opposed to methods of denying parts of your identity. On the other hand, many people seem to view plastic surgery as a self-negating act--almost as if, in some way, plastic surgery weakens a person's ability to be who they 'truly are.'

And yet, the distinction between plastic surgery and any other permanent physical alteration like getting a tattoo seems incredibly fine. Why don't we tell people who want tattoos to just, "be happy with who you are?" Why don't we tell people who want piercings to just, "be happy with who you are?" Or, in other words, why are these alterations expressive while plastic surgery is a form of denial or manifest dissatisfaction or conformity? People physically conform to social norms and expectations all the time without criticism: we wear suits to court and don't wear white to a wedding that isn't our own. Men get haircuts for conservative corporate job interviews. And we praise each other for being adult enough to let that mohawk go so we don't break grandma's heart when we show up for Christmas. And, of course, why can't the deep seated desire to make other people happy be an expressive trait that can be manifested physically? It seems to me, almost, that there is a caste of desires that are deemed inexpressible or expressible only on pain of reproach--but I think I can respect that someone may feel something so deeply that they want to express it physically even if it means they will be criticized for it.

In many ways, I find the public's attitude toward a naturally beautiful young woman to be unduly reverent. For example, an extraordinarily beautiful young woman's nose may be hailed as if she had actually done something to earn her nose when, in reality, she has done nothing in particular at all. Yet, when a person has actually done something for her nose (undergo painful surgery, spend a lot of money), she's marked as a fraud. I personally think that it's likely artificial beauty is viewed as a threat to the very root of how people perceive beauty and its implications, which thus creates hostility toward the idea of artificial beauty altogether. Studies have shown that people associate physical beauty with positive personality traits. Beautiful people often get better jobs and are paid more. They often get lighter sentences from juries. But now, with artificial beauties, people get the feeling that they're attributing positive characteristics, characteristics meant of people who are 'truly' beautiful, to someone who may not naturally possess them because they are not naturally beautiful--and that, I think, is unsettling for many.

I suppose my thoughts are that opposition to plastic surgery doesn't make much sense to me, but the urge to get plastic surgery does not seem particularly strange in light of all that we do to mark our inner lives on our outer appearance. I personally would not get plastic surgery. I don't feel like plastic surgery would express anything that I need to express. In short, my conception of myself in my head and my actual physical body are fairly evenly matched (okay, so in my inner mind I have abs of steel...). But I think it would be strange for people to tell me that I should "just be happy with who I am" if I one day felt the immense need to express my identity through plastic surgery because I don't really understand that sort of sentiment.

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I'm loving the posts so far soompiers =)

As long as it's making the person happy and not hurting anybody I believe.. TBH, I support plastic surgery, not a lot of people are aware at how the pressure is on some people. A lot of them even blatantly refuse to understand it somehow.

A bit OT:

Too bad some surgeons have their own idea of beauty; I'm not really sure if the surgeon knows best, but whatever. (sigh) :tears:

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Do we have the right to judge people for their actions?

If a person is unhappy about their looks, so unhappy that they can't live their lives properly, then shouldn't they be allowed the right to change?

People have their reasons for doing things.

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i'm not against it but i'm not entirely for it either. i believe plastic surgery like beauty products are for ENHANCEMENT purposes. however if a person completely changes his or her look for whatever reason i wouldn't judge (at least i'll try not to). it's your body, do what you want with it. none of my business

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Although I would hardly liken a piercing or tattoo to breast augmentation or rhinoplasty, I couldn't care less what others do. Whatever makes you happy is what makes you happy :|

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I don't really like the idea of plastic surgery. Why? Most people that do it really do not need it and pointlessly endanger their well-being. Plastic surgery can definitely mess up someone's face/body permanently and it's just cheating imo. I can understand a person getting it done after being hurt in an accident or in an assault, but it really shouldn't be done for people who just want to be closer to their ideal. People need to learn to accept themselves. 

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Guys say they like natural beauties. What if you are naturally "unattractive"? Honestly speaking, most guys would prefer a girl who is pretty having enhanced her features through plastic surgery than a girl who is naturally unattractive.

I think its hypocritical for someone to be against plastic surgery when they themselves would prefer a pretty girl/boy over an "ugly" one. Its societys unfair norms that define someone as ugly so saying plastic surgery is a bad thing is really ironic..

Just my 2 cents.

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If you're an adult and you're at the age to make a conscious decision and plastic surgery is something that you want to do then fine, but if you are an undeveloped child going under the knife then that is just not right. It bothers me so much when i hear about girls my age and younger getting double eyelid surgery or nose jobs or even boob jobs(yes there is a story about a 16 year old girl getting breast implants).

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It's your choice what you do with your body. You can get a tattoo, a piercing, and nobody can deny you that. You can wear makeup, you can wear no makeup. You can wear heels, you can dye your hair.

You can alter you appearance by plastic surgery as well, if you want.

I don't care; if you are a nice person I'll like you all the same.

If I had the money I might even do it myself:)

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I, personally, do not like plastic surgery.

I won't shun a person for doing it however, but I won't be exactly the biggest fan.

If a girl feels insecure about her looks and decides to get plastic surgery, then it's ok. It's her choice, it doesn't affect me.

However, when a girl or a guy get tons of surgeries all over their faces and bodies, then I think it's too much. They get too addicted to it and just constantly turn to surgery if they find a flaw on their body.

I would never do it. I would never be able to accept it if my sisters or friends decided to do it either. I think everyone has their own charm even if many don't think they do. You should embrace yourself instead of altering your appearance.

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I don't like the idea of being in the operating room and under a knife, which is the main reason why I don't like (plastic) surgery. I'm not one to judge another person if they decide whether or not they get plastic surgery anyways. If it makes them happier in the end, that's completely fine with me. Just don't go bragging to other people, saying things like "I have money to get a surgery done and you don't" or "I look better than you".

If it's a situation like if you spend hundreds of dollars on makeup to contour or highlight parts of your face to look slimmer or to achieve an effect you want, the person might as well stop buying those products (since makeup and the tools altogether are pretty expensive) and go to a permanent(?) solution. If that makes any sense at all to everyone else. :vicx:

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Plastic surgery should be just for those with disfiguring ailments. The time and effort of trained surgeons should not be wasted on vanity work.

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I mean... I guess if I couldn't stand the way I look every day, I would get it. But that's only after trying new hairstyles, losing weight, etc.

My philosophy is that you wear your parents' faces on your face, and personally I love my mom and dad, so I don't want to reconstruct the face they gave me.

I would also love to meet someone who loves me the way I was born, despite my flaws.

So unless I get in some kind of freak accident that drastically affects my appearance, I don't think I'll be getting plastic surgery anytime soon. *knocks on wood*

So in short, I'm not against plastic surgery... It's just not for me.

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