[Drama 2009] Queen Seon Deok 선덕여왕

[Guest mandalaywith]

hi

I'm every week watch to this drama.I like to this drama.

I'm this drama writer Kim Young Hyun Fan&Jo Hun Jae Myanmar Fan.

so i watch this drama.

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2009.6.8 MBC Historical play Drama " SeonDuk Queen" Ep5 in Our Hyun Jae Play Character SeodongYo drama Paekche Kingdom (18 B.C - A.D 660) Moo Wang(King Moo) come.

Nice see to Our Hyun Jae Play Character Moo Wang (백제30대 무왕)

so i make to Captures.

MBC 史劇 " 善德女王"在 显宰的 百濟 武王 截图

MBC " SeonDuk Queen" drama Moo Wang Captures

SeoDongYo Moo Wang(백제30대 무왕) character Jo Hyun Jae.

credit by-mandalaywith @ Carpediem ( http://cafe.daum.net/hyunjaelove )

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Thank you WITHS2 for the subtitles.

This drama is so good.

Pictures from episode 5...

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Episode 5...

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Episode 5...

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My favorite scenes...

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Episode 5...

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Episode 5...

[Guest hurley]

this drama is far more interesting than i originally anticipated!

i normally stay away from k historical dramas for several reasons, but have changed my opinions on this series after viewing the first episode!

in particular, i enjoy the little Deok Man, and of course the superb performances by those pro actors/actresses, esp Go Hyun Jung, who plays mi shil.

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Last part of episode 5...

[Guest hjkomo]

My favorite scenes...

Thanks, Luv!

That was a great scene.

So sad today with Sohwa and Yong Su's deaths.

Need clarification.

So, 성골 means both parents are also 성골, not just of royal blood?

Since Yong Su is 진골, Chun Chu is also 진골?

But after the deaths of Jin Pyeong's sons, were there any other 성골?

If not, how could the Council protest Jin Pyeong naming Yong Su as his successor?

What is Mishil?

[Guest MisterBarca]

Thanks, Luv!

That was a great scene.

So sad today with Sohwa and Yong Su's deaths.

Need clarification.

So, 성골 means both parents are also 성골, not just of royal blood?

Since Yong Su is 진골, Chun Chu is also 진골?

But after the deaths of Jin Pyeong's sons, were there any other 성골?

If not, how could the Council protest Jin Pyeong naming Yong Su as his successor?

What is Mishil?

I am sure Anarchist knows better, but my recollection is that 성골 means both sides of the parents are royalty, whereas 진골 means only one side is royalty. Choon-choo was 성골 in real-life, I believe, because both his mother and his father were royals; nonetheless, he is portrayed as 진골 in the drama, because his father had lost his 성골 status due to Mi-shil's machinations.

[Guest dramaok]

i think mishil is a mutt.

her father was general and mom is king jinheung's father's concubine.

but today's ep.. err where's chilsook?

TNS ep. 5 [nationwide]:

21.6% [- 0.7% from ep. 4]

[Guest MisterX]

check the Ep. 3-4 review for 성골/진골 explanations.

Mishil is not even 진골 (Hell, she's just a fabrication of Park Chang-Hwa, if you really want to get pedantic ㅋㅋ)

[Guest mandalaywith]

i think mishil is a mutt.

her father was general and mom is king jinheung's father's concubine.

but today's ep.. err where's chilsook?

TNS ep. 5 [nationwide]:

21.6% [- 0.7% from ep. 4]

hi

dramaok

Long time no see~

Thanks update to rating~

시청룔 울려가네요.

저는 선덕여왕 보는거는 서동요,대장금,김작가선생님팬로서 김영현작가선생님 응원하려고 보니다.

[Guest hjkomo]

Hey, mandalaywith!

i think mishil is a mutt.

but today's ep.. err where's chilsook?

He did have that stab wound (even though he was running surprisingly fast after Sohwa),

but he must've survived the sandstorm and will turn up soon (tomorrow? next week?)

Even though he's not going to, I wish he would turn good, too.

check the Ep. 3-4 review for 성골/진골 explanations.

I guess what confused me was -

From Ep. 3-4 Review:

"sacred bone meant an offspring born out of two royal family members' union"

and

Basically, before Seondeok's reign, no 진골 (so true bone, with only one of the parents being of 성골/sacred bone, the other not) was allowed to be crowned king, but since by Seondeok's time there were no men of sacred bone left, they changed the policy. Hence the 성골남진.

The real interesting thing is what the division meant itself. That is, what constituted as sacred bone or true bone lineage, but that.... uhh... is stuff I guess I'll tackle in one of my episode reviews. ㅋㅋ

[Guest mandalaywith]

Hey, mandalaywith!

hjkomo

hi

Nice to meet here

누님 방가 방가

[Guest MisterX]

Hey, mandalaywith!

I guess what confused me was -

From Ep. 3-4 Review:

"sacred bone meant an offspring born out of two royal family members' union"

and

that's just one of the 4 theories I explained.

1) royals (성골) vs non royals (진골)

2) matrilineal descendant of King Beopheung's mother (성골) vs the rest (진골)

3) Direct descendants of King Jinheung (성골) vs indirect (진골)

4) Politically fit to ascend the throne (성골) vs 정치적 진따 (진골)

It's likely Miss Kim is using No. 3 here. Set the 4 theories aside, the common thread if essentially...

sacred bone + sacred bone = sacred bone

sacred bone + true bone = true bone

true bone + true bone = 아웃 오브 안중

이래서 사극은 아무나 쓰는게 아닌거지. ㅋㅋ

[Guest hjkomo]

^ Thanks. Crystal clear now.

But with no sacred bone contenders left...

why was the Council so against Yong Su as successor (aside from the obvious)?

It's not like they had their own candidate for the throne...and none of Mishil's sons would be acceptable choices, either.

By their reasoning, Mishil the Mutt would be true bone (was Jinheung's father her father? ) or "아웃 오브 안중".

[Guest MisterX]

^ Thanks. Crystal clear now.

But with no sacred bone contenders left...

why was the Council so against Yong Su as successor (aside from the obvious)?

It's not like they had their own candidate for the throne...and none of Mishil's sons would be acceptable choices, either.

By their reasoning, Mishil the Mutt would be "아웃 오브 안중".

Council = 미실 똘마니, only Eunje is the party pooper

But if you see Mishil on Episode 5, she says 용수 becoming 태자 can only be a positive predicament for them.

Why? 'Cause if the 성골 glass ceiling is broken, HER 진골 son (potential one with the King, that is) could become 태자 as well (since she knows someone is croaking, soon). Bingo.

[Guest yeohweping]