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I feel for GeSun's fans when they say that the ending wasn't quite what they had expected. I also think they crammed too much in the last few episodes, but the final conflict still somehow feels anti-climatic. The drama is already quite well-paced at the beginning, so I think the problem lies with the number of episodes. Perhaps they have to stick with the number of eps and couldn't extend it further? I can't speak for all Haoyan fans, but for me personally I'm happy with the buildup of their romance and their HE, so I'm not frustrated at the number of deleted scenes from the original script. I just wish they could add a few more episodes to build more tension and satisfactorily wrap it up.
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2 hours ago, taekwang said:Spoiler
I think Leyan's pregnancy has been cut from the drama as they dedicated more screen time to resolve the last political conflict. From what I've read elsewhere the real kiss between HaoDu and Leyan was also cut, as well as a scene where Leyan was supposed to take care of Haodu, but so far it's just grapevine rumour and nothing has been confirmed yet.
I'm personally not disappointed though I would jump at the opportunity to see more of them. I'm happy with their wedding and I think their realising their feelings for each other is the turning point and I really couldn't ask for more.
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18 hours ago, bomnie said:
Just realised that we'll be updated with all the final episodes tomorrow?! how is that even possible hahahah I feel like we just got to see Leyan and HaoDu together and now we have to say goodbye already.
Stills, this drama has been quite a ride and loved it to bits. Can't wait to see how all characters will settle down at the end of their journey.
Right? I can't believe it either! I'm going to have a severe case of Haoyan withdrawal after this (feeling it already ahhhh).
It's always nice to have a wuxia drama with some serious undertone to it, which sets it apart from other lighter and more cutesy wuxia out there.
Here's hoping all the cast will go on to bigger projects after this. While it's true that I have the most emotional connection with Leyan and Haodu's arcs and relationship, I appreciate every actor's contribution to this show and especially think Wu Lei has great potential (he's been pulling off that maturity so well despite his young age).
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2 hours ago, dymm_amie said:
I do but I don't have the video extract for that part. Would reading the translations alone be good enough for you? I've typed them down in the spoiler below in case you want to take a peek.
SpoilerThe scene begins with Leyan (LY) entering the chamber where Haodu (HD) was recuperating.
LY: why did you step on the arena?
HD: I don't want the Ashile Clan to look down on us for not having a single worthy combatant. (then trails off to awkward silence which betrays his true, hidden intention)
LY: So you're no different from Shuyu after all. You both chose to step up for Great Tang's reputation, and not because of me, don't you? (stands up). Hao Du, as for Great Tang's reputation, I, Leyan myself shall find a way to save it. I don't need either of your help. (turns and walks away)
HD: (stands up) No, actually I ... I just don't want to see you in misery, or to see you forced into a marriage with someone you don't love.
LY: This was a martial competition to win the decree anyway, regardless who was going to be the winner, I would still have to marry him. Now that you've won the match, the decree must be honoured and I will have to marry you. Do you really think ... do you really think you're the one I have feelings for?
HD: I know whom you have on your mind. Please have no fear, the result of this match is not valid. I am going to beg the His Majesty tomorrow myself (for an annulment).
LY (visibly disappointed): So you have never once thought of marrying me.
HD: I'm just a lowly guard, how dare I dream of something so far-fetching?
LY: Why do you always seem to tread on eggshells around me? Undoubtedly you can achieve greater things, why do you have to risk your life for me by taking part in the combat?
HD: Because you're worth it. But (looks down dejectedly) ... I'm not worthy.
LY: Do you wish to know how I see you as a person?
(both sits down and she starts her confession/ monologue)
The first time I saw you, to me you were like an iceberg. You had a cold exterior, and seemed cold deep down too. Hence I grew frightened of you. I dared not, and wished not to be close to you. And then, seeing you so hellbent on killing Changge, I came to loathe you. I thought I had been wrong, that it wasn't your heart that was cold, but rather you were heartless all along (he turns away, apparently heartbroken at her words). But then ... after I had weathered all the way to Luoyang as a fugitive, it was you who saved me. That moment when you held me in your arms and said you would take me back home, all my fear for you dissipated. I even let myself grow more dependent* on you (*this word in Chinese has a much stronger meaning than just dependent - it implies she knows she always has him by her side and relies on him to the point that she would have trouble living without him in her life. This has him turn to look at her in dawning realisation) I started to feel your warmth. Only when I was with you did I feel safe and serene. Actually I have come to learn, that lots of what you did was not what you truly wanted, and lots of what you said was not what you truly meant. Hao Du, you are actually a good person, only you like to hide your true feelings. (He looks away) You put yourself in difficult positions, just so you can please others. Today on the arena, when I saw you getting beaten times and again, I was so frightened. Because I was so afraid I would never be able to see you again (this has him look at her again, visibly and speechlessly touched). That thought of never being able to see you again makes me ... (chokes on tears) Now let me ask you one last time, why did you step up on that arena?
HD: I did so because I didn't want to see you in misery, and because I want to earn this chance for myself once...
LY: Earn the chance for what?
HD: Her Highness, you used to tell me you were of royal descent, and that I should therefore keep you safe and sound. I've always been protecting you as your personal guard, but in the future ...
LY: In the future ... and?
HD: In the future ... (grabs her shoulders) I want to protect you as your husband.
(It's her turn to be completely stunned by his eruptive confession. He mistakes her bashful reaction to be one of discomfort, so he quickly releases her)
LY: (stutters) Why are you suddenly so ... daring?
HD: My apologies, Her Highness. Please pretend I haven't said anything.
LY: (panics) You haven't said anything? Are you trying to cheat your way out of this?
HD: No, that's not what I ... I don't mean to ... (winces in pain)
LY: I've told you not to ... You should take good care of yourself. If you're not careful and if the wounds leave any side effects, how can you protect me later on?
(Then HD can no longer contain his emotions and pulls her in for a tight embrace. He holds her even more tightly when she gently hugs him back, almost suffocating her. LY lets out a small grunt so HD lets go of her)
LY: You're supposed to be gravely injured. Why do you still have so much strength? You almost suffocated me.
HD: I'm not sure myself what has happened to me. Hearing you say those words I suddenly feel well again.
(And then LY asks him to accompany her to the cotton field because they haven't been back there for quite some time, and he offers her his hands and says he'll take her no matter where she wants to go, and that's the end of the scene and now I'm here a puddle of mush again for these two I'm sorry for the babbling on my part T_T)
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Thank you guy so much for the preview with Eng sub. I’ve just finished watching ep42 and I’m both on cloud nine and a mess and still having trouble getting back down to earth. Btw I’m a fan of Haoyan so if you don’t care about this couple please feel free to skip my post and spoiler.
SpoilerI just want to scream. The confession is so heartfelt and true to each person’s feelings. It’s so worth it to wait until this moment to see them finally being true to their feelings. They have weathered changes and misunderstandings together and I’m so glad it’s Leyan and not vice versa who has helped Haodu overcome his insecurity. I’m loving them so much.
On a side note I’m loving the sisterhood between Changge and Leyan too and why does it feel so sad that these two must part ways in the future. It almost reminds me of that time when my best friend and I grew up and parted way because we each had responsibilities on our shoulders, but we still thought and were fond of each other. I just hope in my quiet shipper heart that they would get married and somehow still live close to each other, though I know it’s just not possible. But their friendship and sisterhood is one of the best in this show that has stood the test of time and vengeance. It’s an absolutely beautiful but bittersweet feeling!
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Someone please tell me if Liu Yuning’s character will be the third wheel in the romance if this follows the book? Because my heart will not be able to handle it if that’s the case :’(
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13 hours ago, AuroraSky said:
I don’t know about the first pic (but won’t hold my breath either for it. A lot of clips with key, swoony moments between our second leads have been leaked but none has featured a kissing scene so far
- though I’d be glad to be proven wrong). But the second pic is a scene from a previous episode (when Hao Du was on the hunt for Changge, accompanied by Shu Yu). He was blocked and then restrained by a general who helped Changge escape. He held Hao Du captive for one night on the ground that he had to be cautious in light of Changge’s uncle’s planned rebellion).
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3 hours ago, sweetpealover said:
I bet the Dead Bird has something to do with Yeon Hwa turning on her Brother. And soon Wook will turn on her to save his own life. But the Truth comes out sooner or later, let it be sooner for our star-crossed Lovers.
Also, I wonder what HaeSoo was planning on doing with all those copies of the poem?
SpoilerShe'll put them in a small chest of some sort for WS to discover when he comes to 14th's manor to collect her belongings and for him to cry over
My guess
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34 minutes ago, krysyuy said:Spoiler
Hi, first just to clarify: RX never means it when she says she hates 4th.
Simple simple: love fight & clash of moral principles.She understands that Yutan (equivalent to CR) was sly and wrong in her deeds, and agrees that YT deserved punishment, but disagrees over the choice of punishment by the Emperor (now 4th). In her anger she lashes out at him that she hates him, and it's just a choice of harsh words because both 4th & RX are very intense in their feelings, so by saying so she means to punish him for his deed (his boiling YT, which is wrong & cruel from her perspective); or in other words, it's her form of revenge for her friend. It doesn't mean she actually hates him. Deep down she still loves him.
And no, from my interpretation she is not devastated only by his coldness. She is devastated because he is visibly hurt by 8th's words. This is what he says that touches her: 'Why did you want him to seek and tell me about these, so that he could pierce my heart with every single word of his, while all I could do was to sit still and leave him to his stabbing.' She wants him to get angry & hate her to let go of her, but she clearly cannot handle the fact that he gets devastatingly hurt (even he admits to it). She intended to inflict rage & blind jealousy on him, but she never intended to get him emotionally wounded, if that makes sense. He was clearly more hurt & humiliated than angry. Actually, I think for couples who break up while still in love with each other, knowing that one hurts the other will eat more into one's conscience than when the other downright hates them. That's what I guess happens with RX too.
Just my two cents ^^
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37 minutes ago, penelop3 said:
Can I ask the C-version's experts, in the beginning 14th is loyal to 8th, but what changes? I know he's not totally over the moon about 4th, but he will accept him right?
If you don't mind my intrusion, this is roughly what happened:
Spoiler14th's loyalty to 8th changed when 4th instilled doubt in 8th's mind regarding 14th's ambition when things went awry for 8th while looked up for 14th (the former lost the Emperor's trust, while the latter finally gained his favour). Friction between the brothers started to show, but 14th didn't resent 8th even when they were no longer as close as before. He resented 4th until long after RX's death, though.
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7 hours ago, chickenchopflipflop said:
I really appreciated the profound writing in this episode, but i would like to know how much of this is original and how much of this was actually from Tong Hua? do share with me if you could!
Hi, I believe another kind soompier has broken down the similarities and differences for you, but since you ask about this episode in particular (ep 14), I'm going to offer my two cents here. Some of the things I post might have been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, so I apologise in advance for such repetition. I'll put my comparisons and contrast between the two versions in the spoiler tag, in case anyone who doesn't wish to be spoiled about the C-version may just skip this post. It's gonna be long, so please bear with me
SpoilerI'm going to list the similar situations side by side, with differences highlighted in green texts so that you can tell how much has been adapted and how much has been changed.
1. In the original, Yutan works right beside Ruoxi as her subordinate. 8th's gang (especially 9th) planted her here as a tea maid to spy on the Emperor. Yutan committed almost every act because she owed 9th immensely emotionally, and wouldn't hesitate sacrificing everything for him, even her friendship with RX.
In ML, CR also works right beside HS as her subordinate. It was however 8th who planted her here to do harm to the King, although 9th also had a hand in the matter. She also willingly does it for 9th, but the reason is not yet fully disclosed to us, although we all have had our speculations as to what it is.
2. In the original, RX lost hope and became desperate upon learning that the Crown Prince wanted to take her as his concubine. 4th, after finding a way to undermine the CP's power and possibly prevent the marriage, sent a letter to RX with the same two lines from a poetry, both to comfort and assure her of a brighter tomorrow and tell her not to lose hope yet as the situation could still be remedied/ reversed. RX, now more in love with 4th even if she wasn't fully aware/ didn't fully acknowledge it, copied his calligraphy as a way to practice writing in traditional Chinese characters, to strengthen herself mentally and to find comfort in his imaginary presence by her side when time got hard.
In ML, WS got entangled in a marriage with his niece to save her, and knowing that HS knew, he sent her the letter with the two lines from a poetry (as above), probably both to describe the desperateness of the situation (reaching the end of the water source) for both of them, and to assure her of a better day (watch the clouds rising). You can see that they've swapped role in the marriage matter, but it's the men who comforted and gave strength to the women all along in both versions. HS also copied WS's calligraphy, touched at the new-found side of him that she had yet to know about, though she might not have fully understood the meaning/ implication of the two quoted lines.
3. In the original, the boat scene was for 4th to reveal about his 'secret meditating place' to RX, which figuratively marks his opening up his world to her. It's also during this scene that RX's growing more aware of the (romantic) tension whenever she's around 4th. The boat scene happened in a lotus pond with budding lotuses not yet in bloom, which signifies their budding romance. Tong Hua, the writer of the original novel, also revealed in one of her interviews that RX & 4th are often depicted in scenery with fauna or blooming, which are rather suggestive of their relationship as opposed to the snowy, cold scenes involving her and 8th which hinted at their unsuccessful love story.
In ML, the boat scene was also for 4th to reveal to HS about his secret place when they have known each other for more than 2 years. Different from the original, the conversation between them on the vast lake (without any fauna in sight) was a 'wake-up call' for WS regarding his habit of always holding himself back, afraid of creating an emotional attachment that may hurt him further than what he had endured. So instead of providing a window into the heroine's true feelings, the boat scene here is more about HS helping him to see through his reluctance to pursue his goals & ambitions through being an outlet for him to literally speak up about his deepest self-doubt & hesitation. I believe the selection of a vast lake without any physical objects on the water but the boat and our protagonists hints at freedom and obstruction-free environment/ opportunity for the most inner dreams, ambitions, doubts and concerns to flow out.
4. In the original, the 14th prince was suspected and almost caught by the Crown Prince when he disobeyed the Emperor's order for him to stay still within the palace and went to Mongolia to secretly meet with 8th prince on one of the Emperor's trip. He sought out RX for help and she hid him by introducing him (now dressed in disguise as a Mongolian man) to the Mongolian princess, whom she had developed a friendship with. RX lied to the princess (MinMin) that 14th was her lover, who couldn't hold back his missing her, had escaped the palace to see her against palace rules and whom the CP mistook for a thief and might kill upon finding him. MinMin agreed to help by hiding 14th in her tent and the danger passed, not knowing he was a prince. However, on another trip to Mongolia, 14th accidentally showed himself in front of MinMin in his royal garb. MinMin, now enraged because her love for 13th wasn't returned and he didn't agree to take her as his wife, let her temper get the best of her and threatened to tell the Emperor about 14th's secret. Knowing this would cause damage to not only 14th but also 8th, RX agreed to accept MinMin's challenge to participate in a horse race against the Mongolian princess. Since RX was a novice at horseriding at best, there was no way she could win against the highly skilled MinMin. In desperation, RX used her hairpin to stab her horse, making it rage forward in pain. RX almost got thrown off the horse as it jumped forward, and it took several men to calm the beast down after it crashed the finish line. 14th was deeply touched by RX's courage and secretly retained the bloodstained hairpin after she told the horsekeeper to just throw it away. He kept it with him as a token of her sacrifice for him, and it was also the breaking point for his feelings toward RX, which from like, friendliness, then anger, finally transformed to quiet but intense love. During the rain scene where RX kneeled in the rain to beg the Emperor for the woman 13th loved (Wulu - equivalent to Woo Hee here in ML) to spend 10 years with him in his house arrest, 14th brought food to her in the rain and asked if she would be willing to do this (kneeling in the rain) if it was for him, to validate his being just equal to 13th in her heart (previously when he demanded to know why RX remained lukewarm and polite to him while her real self (extremely friendly & laidback) when around 13th, she told him that 13th would never demand her of the friendship as he was doing, so he kind of developed an inferiority complex after this & started to act with greater considerations of her feelings/ tread around her more cautiously as if afraid he would trigger coldness and resentment from her). RX replied that whether it were 10th, 13th or him she would do the same and that the feelings were the same too (suggesting that she doesn't consider any one of them a potential love interest).
In ML, 14th was almost caught by WS when he was late for the palace curfew and so sought cover in HS's private room. WS wanted to search her room, but HS, still upset over the news of his marriage, threatened to hurt herself with her hairpin to keep him and the guards at bay. She also passive-aggressively reminded him of her status as a 'unmarried woman' thus low-key venting her anger on him about the marriage. After the guards retreated, she came back into her room, where a waiting WJ noticed the cut on her neck. Touched by the length she would go to protect him, he fell for her deeper and also retained her hairpin without her knowing as a token of her sacrifice for him. The dialogue here is also the reverse to what happened in BBJX. Here, WJ asked if HS would do the same (risk getting hurt to protect) for his other brothers (to find validation that somehow he is considered special to her), to which she said she would (suggesting that she doesn't consider him any more special than his other brothers).
5. In the original, RX asked 14th to return the jade bangle to 8th. 14th deliberately thanked her for the 'present' when seeing 4th approaching, just for him (4th) to hear and possibly misinterpret his & RX's relationship. RX then jumped to explain to 4th that there wasn't anything between them. 4th noted this reaction and commented that he didn't even ask a thing. He assumed by RX's reaction that there was indeed something between them, and went on to say that he couldn't control what 14th thought (suggesting he was aware of 14th's interest in RX). He was fine with them being friendly and giving each other gifts, but he wouldn't want to see another ruckus between them (him yelling and her crying) again, implying that he wouldn't want her to get involved in a romantic relationship with 14th (as before, that's what he probably assumed, especially when she had indicated that she wanted to be with him). When RX went on to explain about her and 10th, 4th also said he never once believed that RX considered 10th in a romantic light, despite the rumour that went in the palace. In another scene where he visited her room and caught her red-handed copying his calligraphy, he asked her to be honest with him in everything from 'today onwards' saying both of them would be more comfortable with the truth, even if it was ugly, but he was the one to make the promise to be frank with her in everything. He also was the one to say that she could tell him that she could choose not to tell him things, but not lie to deceive him. Then she asked him directly whether or not he wanted the throne, to which he said he did. This conversation behind closed door signifies both of them finally opening up fully to each other about their deepest secrets (except for RX's past relationship to 8th, which 4th unknowingly gave her permission to keep it to herself). This also marks 4th's sharing his deepest ambition to RX and therefore earns her utmost trust and loyalty. She later said in her letter to him before she died that the moment he said the word 'I want it', she knew how much he loved and trusted her, enough to tell her what he had been hiding from the rest of the world. From that moment she had decided to give her all in this relationship. This was to provide contrast to her previous relationship with 8th, in which no matter how much he loved her, he still let his doubt about her (being secretly supporting 4th & withholding information she overheard from the Emperor while serving tea to him) infiltrate how he treated and saw her.
In ML, this conversation happened outdoor to clear the misunderstanding between HS and WS regarding his marriage and her hiding WJ in her room. They both demanded explanation from each other, and HS also asked WS about the rumour regarding his ambition for the throne. WS didn't tackle the ambition part, but explained that he couldn't help the marriage as it was the last resort to save his niece. HS also explained that there was nothing between her and WJ. WS also requested that HS be honest with him 'from now on', saying how both of them would be more comfortable with the bitter truth. HS asked him back about the possibility of not wanting to disclose something, to which he agreed that she could just tell him she didn't want to touch that matter, but also warned her of his averse feeling toward 'vagueness and lies'. The conversation in the open suggests their utmost trust and being completely transparent with each other. However, it was HS who deliberately requested WS about the possibility of not disclosing what she didn't want to disclose.
I think I have covered most of the similarities and differences between the original and the adaptation in ML ep 14. I might have missed a few minor details though
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2 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:
I didn't know the C-version showed it like that. Oh please don't do the same thing WS! In the preview I heard WY say "HS is very curious who poisoned CP...", so I think it might be that rather than WS dealing with CR it might be HS (?). How did RX deal with Yu Tang in BBJX? Did they have a 'show-down'?
RX didn't 'deal' anything with Yu Tan. This is what happened in BBJX:
SpoilerAfter witnessing many deaths following 4th's ascendance to the throne, RX tried to get YT away from the palace (still oblivious to the fact that YT was connected to 9th). 4th, now the emperor, agreed, but it was YT who insisted on staying, saying it's because she wanted to be with RX. She met no objection from RX.
Now in the palace, YT started to cause a rift in the relationship between 4th and his son and between RX & 4th too. Of course, RX didn't know about this, and she actually didn't know about any of YT's shady practices until witnessing her death and got told by 4th about YT's betrayal. So basically she didn't have the opportunity to confront YT.
@churasan: Well, in the original novel it was a little bit clearer about 14th's feelings toward RX. However, as his love was meant to be silent, the best undercover love in the whole novel, it became oblivious to RX, and since the story is told from RX's POV, it consequently became oblivious to many readers. The drama wasn't too clear on this front either and they omitted one key detail, that is 14th's retaining RX's hairpin after she risked her life to save him from the Emperor's wrath. If you don't mind a spoiler, here are the signs, which will be more obvious from the novel:
Spoiler14th's feeling for RX wasn't straightforward and came with a lot of back and forth travelling.
1) He first liked her (like, very impressed) during 10th's birthday where RX sang a song for 10th. It was him who told 8th about RX's singing and it was later these two men (8th & 14th) who asked RX to sing for them (14th asked her more than once, once after 10th's birthday and once near the time of her death), a sign that they were in love with her and wanted to be seen & treated as special by her. In other words, they both wanted to be in RX's spotlight. 14th later told the Mongolian princess that he first liked RX hearing her song. RX thought he was just making up the story to protect his cover, because she would never expect that he would actually harbour feelings for her, judging from how he had disagreed with her quite some times in the past.
2) If you remember the first time when RX and Wulu met where she was sitting with 13th & Wulu and met 14th and his noble followers, you will notice that he quickly jumped to offer to take RX home. It was very obvious in the novel too and showed that he had this tendency of being protective and possessive in his love.
3) His feeling for RX, however, wasn't consistent at first because it was frequently overshadowed by his absolute loyalty to 8th. Since he loved and cared for both of them, he started to aggressively ship them. A fan who noticed this called this 'emotional laundering'; that is, when you can't or don't want to admit to your true feeling for some reason, you start to ship/ tease the person you like with someone else as a form of denial. I don't know if everyone has seen this before but I have witnessed a fair share during my junior/ secondary school days.14th was doing this and at some point he genuinely thought it would be good for both RX and 8th to be together since he knew they had mutual feelings. Granted, men in those days don't care too much about what women think, so it was very natural that he took 8th's side and turned rather nasty to RX when her love with 8th ended.
4) Now came the time when RX risked her life to protect 14th. When she won in the horse race against the Mongolian princess, she told the horsekeeper to throw away her bloodstained hairpin, but 14th told the servant to hand it to him, and he kept it until the end of her day. His retaining the hairpin wasn't shown in the drama, and we only knew its fate when Tong Hua revealed it in her epilogues, which were published much later. In it, 4th, after punishing 14th by keeping him under confinement, took away this hairpin and later left a letter to 14th after his (4th's) death, saying he gave 14th freedom (from both the confinement and from his love to RX) by taking the hairpin away with him to his grave.
5) After the horse race, the Mongolian princess chased after RX jokingly and both 13th and 9th teasingly gave RX up to the princess. Only 14th stood out to block the princess when RX ran to hide behind his back. I would call 4 & 5 the time when his feeling finally ripen to love. This was after RX and 8th broke up and both wiped it clean (not really with 8th, but he told 14th to not disturb RX anymore after his angry outburst with her, so it implied that 14th took it to mean that 8th was also willing to let RX go). 14th's feeling now was no longer restrained by his loyalty to 8th and could fully blossom.
6) Like a previous poster said, it was him to beg for RX when she was kneeling days on end in the rain. It was also him who asked the Emperor to grant RX to him THREE times when she was under punishment working as a laundry maid.
7) Then we've got the rain scene. In the novel, the rain scene was both meaningful and symbolic, not for 4th & RX, RX & 8th, but also for RX & 14th. 14th brought RX lotus cake. This wasn't made clear in the drama, but it followed RX's explanation to 10th, using candied sweet and lotus cake figuratively to persuade him to get over his infatuation for her (the past/the candied sweet) to come to appreciate his wife (the present/ the lotus cake). 14th bringing lotus to RX under the rain was symbolic in that the writer implied he would become RX's lotus cake, the one who is always there, the one she would rely on but also the one she took for granted while she was chasing a shadow, a love that could never be (4th). The Emperor, after hearing about RX's candied/lotus cake analogy, also asked her whether she would be able to see past what is impossible to appreciate what is closer and more attainable. The fact that 14th brought her lotus cake also suggested that he remembered her favourite treat even if the story she told 10th might have been pure figurative, and also suggested that he wished to be the one she would turn to acknowledge, just as she hoped 10th would turn and acknowledge the significance of his wife in his life.
8) When RX was married to 14th, RX's personal maid had to wonder about 14th's knowledge of RX's very personal habits (of liking to have a bath with flower petals strewn in the bathtub & not having anyone close to her while she was bathing). In the drama, there was a similar scene where RX was having a bath alone with flower petals in her bathtub. Fans' guess is that since YT accompanied RX almost everywhere, she knew first hand about this, and since YT was very close to 9th who in turn had a connection with 8th gang (&14th too), 14th might have learned this from YT. Well, if he was merely a friend like 13th, there wouldn't be any reason for him to be so meticulous to her liking and very private habit would there?
9) When RX stayed at 14th's manor, there were more than once that 14th got his hope up only to be dampened by RX's mentioning of 4th's name. This was also very suggestive of his quiet love for her.
So yeah, 14th was there all along, but his love isn't meant to be made public. It is meant to be the lotus cake, the one taken for granted, the one quiet & subtle. Judging from how many fans (including me) have missed his tell-tale signs, Tong Hua was very successful in crafting his side of the love story.
It's simply the intention of the writer in Moon Lovers to make 14th's love more known.
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YASSSS the signing event has become true! I'm so glad for Gurumi fans in Korea!!
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Oh on second thought who freaking care about insomnia and living like a smitten zombie for a week when we've got our dream kisssssssssssssssssss!!!
Sorry guys for the rave. I can't handle this. My tiny little heart can't handle this
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OMO How am I supposed to live after this. OMG I don't know how to contain myself Gosh gosh gosh I'm going to have trouble living through this week chingu-ah!!!!
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I really hope the production team will not agree with KBS re. the extension. I really hate extensions for rom-coms because they have almost always ended up ruining the dramas.
As much as I love the drama and the whole cast I don't want PBG's and KJY's first drama where they act as leads would be tarnished because of a broadcast station's greed.
We're only 3 weeks in, there's still 6 weeks more to go and there is no guarantee that the popularity the show's enjoying right now will stay the same or rise in the next 6 weeks. I just want our cast and crew to have fun while they're working on this project and not to have to suffer from any pressure, whether to milk more money for the station or to keep up the ratings that they're having now.
Oh I'm so pissed with KBS right now
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2 hours ago, IBELIS said:
I like this show and will most likely watch it to the end even if they add the two episode extension. I do have to say the female led was a bad choice, she is the worse cross dresser I've seen in a drama, Everything she does screams I'm a girl. I find it strange because in the beginning she seemed butcher. I find it hard to believe that anyone in the palace would not be thinking girl.
You're free to like or dislike KJY, I have no say in that matter
But I'd like to speak in her defense when it comes to her casting. I believe there are reasons for KJY to be cast, because other actresses considered for the role are very feminine looking too and wouldn't pass for a boy. Here are some reasons:
1- The drama is based off of a webtoon, and in the webtoon itself Ra On is a beautiful character who herself wouldn't pass for a boy either. You can look up Moonlight drawn by clouds webtoon to see the original heroine
2- Ra On never purposefully dresses up to pass for a boy. She has always wanted to look and behave like a girl. It is for her mother that she dresses up as a boy, but she has never identified herself as one. If you intend to behave and look like a boy, you will adjust your behaviour and look to appear like one. But if you don't intend to, then everything you do will speak to the opposite.
3- Actually eunuchs were often castrated since a very young age when their voice wasn't as deep as that of a grown man, and even grown men changed their voice and behaviour once they had become eunuchs for a long time because, well, the hormones are no longer produced (erm, because their important parts are removed completely). It is not often correctly depicted in Korean dramas, but eunuchs in Chinese dramas are often depicted as having high-pitched voice, and even the movement of their hands and bodies sometimes resemble those of women's. In some Korean movies, eunuchs are also portrayed in the same manner. Further, as they are working inside the palace, most of the time they walk around with bowed heads and bent back, taking small, quick steps, and no one bothers to look at their face because they're so unimportant, so it's likely that she will not blow up her cover there. Plus, in ancient times it's a sin close to treachery for women to cross-dress as men, so not many people would actually believe one could do such a thing even if they had suspicion.
So I think it's the purpose of the show that the actress cast for the role should look feminine in the first place. And if you find it difficult to believe why no one in the palace recognises Ra On's real identity, it has something to do with the way Korean actresses and actors portray life in the palace (which is too modern and does not really reflect life in the past) too.
Though I may agree that they should not have cast an underage, and I'm speaking this despite me being a big fan of KJY. She slays with her acting, but it'd be more comfortable for many viewers if she was a little bit older.
Just my two cents ^^
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I'm not from Korea but I'm praying for the rating to go over 20% at least once so the fans there can have a fan meeting with these young talented actors and actresses!
And please count my in both team Blue and Red Moonlighters @MaknaeC haha. Those pics are exactly what I'm feeling right now.
P.S.: If I can't have PBG can I just have his nose?
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Tonight's episode had me go on an emotional roller-coaster again
Now we finally know for a fact that the musical score played during Ra On's dance is an OST and will be released soon. I seriously can't wait for it to be released! It will become one of my fav Korean drama OST of all times!
Thank you guys so much for the translation (especially at that last scene. Such beautiful scene) and the live recaps. Now how can I live through another week
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OMG you guys the OST. THAT OST.
I'm getting so emotional right now :((
@valsava: Yes, YS already knew she was a girl the first time he met her in ep 1 or 2 or so ^^
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12 minutes ago, MaknaeC said:
If they want to go into dark and meatier direction, I dare say to just go. Some people might more familiar to Yoojung for her kind roles, but she did some dark roles already even since she's a kid, for example her role in Movie 2006 'Forbidden Floor', she's only 7 years old but her character was so dark and she nailed it. Her latest movie in 2015 'Circle of Atonement' also showed that her range is so wide. The movie itself is boring, but her dark character, acting, and chemistry with Sung Dong Il was outstanding.
Many people also surprised about her comical acting and said this is the first time she took this kind of role. While in fact she had done the comical acting in her web drama 'Love Cell 2' before, eventhough the character is so different from Raon. After saw her performance in Love Cell 2, all I can think is 'this girl is the future of Korea's sageuk and rom-com actress'. So, just go there if they want to go there.
Yes, I agree that the girl can play a variety of roles, and can nail them on the head. I don't mean that she's afraid of taking on challenging roles. Her acting in Moon-Sun is phenomenal. For an actress her age to understand the turmoil and emotional complexity of that time in the past is no joke. Thing is, hit household dramas often involve adult romance and are geared toward adults, and that is when her current age becomes a sensitive issue. She sure can carry a drama, but its success also depends on the writers, and many good screenwriters happen to be suckers for adult romances :D.
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8 minutes ago, daynci said:
I love Kim Yoo Jung wholeheartedly. Its difficult not to compare this and moon embracing the sun, of course we all want this drama to repeat that success. I havent read the book so i dont know where the story goes. The drama is beautiful cinematographic, the music is excellent, the actors are beyond amazing. But the storyline so far is pretty much been there, done that. It stars with so-so, then amazing, then ok its cute. Ive been repeat the episodes few times already. I want better storyline not for the audience, but for this amazing cast, I want them to have a drama to remember.
I understand your concern perfectly, but I guess it has something to do with her age. Most hit dramas requires packed content with very intense scenes which may even be age-related. The thing with KJY is her age now prevents her from accepting meatier projects with rich storyline. So for now, we as her fans must accept the fact that she will not be offered lead roles in adult romance dramas anytime soon (this one doesn't count because it's categorised as 'youthful' romance). Plus, dramas in Korea are often geared toward specific demographic groups, hence adult romance is a preferred, and almost a must, element where characters are often in their 20s or 30s, and there are only a few scripts each year which can be considered 'good'. There are already competitions in the pool of adult actresses, so it's unlikely that KJY will be considered for such a role.
But when she hits 19 and moves to her 20s, I think many scriptwriters and PDs will not miss their chance to court her for their drama. Many know too well her acting prowess and her popularity already.
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4 hours ago, daynci said:
i love the actors but this is a really slow episode. I think this drama they focus more on the romance. With moon and sun, i remember cry whole lot the few episodes. This one does make tears in your eyes but everything goes too slow.
Don't worry, you're not the only one. Many of us here noted the slow pace too, I also made a comment that if they packed everything in 16 eps the pace would have picked up, but I accepted the fact that with this plot, the pace might drag at times before coming into this show, so it reduces my disappointment somewhat. I think there will be more to see in ep 6. If you're not 100% happy with ep 5's pace, let's just leave it there and prepare ourselves to swoon in later eps ^^
To other dual Moon watchers & @PeachyPeach: I support PeachyPeach wholeheartedly. It's not about whether that person's comment reflects the whole fandom there or only some of them. It's the fact that despite numerous warnings in the past in the same thread to keep the names of other shows to the minimum or zero, that person still brings up Moonlight and discredits it, and NO ONE condemns them afterwards for such speculation. I understand the disappointment when one's beloved show doesn't get as much love as one wants it to be, but that feeling of hurt and disappointment is NEVER and IN NO WAY an excuse for accusing another competitor of playing media tricks. Not when they have no solid proof to back up their speculation.
I'm sure if the table turns again, many MDBC fans wil not get butthurt over getting lower ratings than their competitors. Many here and elsewhere were well-prepared even before MDBC premiered that it would not be able to match up to its competitor, judging from many factors. They accepted that the competitor had the upper hand, and didn't complain when almost everyone else was ready to bet on the other drama's success. People here genuinely rejoiced at the 8.5% rating for the first ep, calling it a good start and expressing happiness over it. I'm not sure if this will happen again if things change in the future, but I for one am confident that even if MDBC performs less well than its competitors rating-wise, it will not affect my enjoyment of the show or any other shows. IMHO, KBS was wise and made the right decision once in their life even if they weren't before, that is they sold exactly what MDBC is about: a youthful, gender-bender sageuk featuring two rising stars. They didn't go out of their way to advertise this drama as something grand, novel, or unique, or one-of-a-kind. It is the Korean audience's preference that matters. They know what to expect before coming into each drama, and it is up to them to make the decision whether to stay or leave. Getting butthurt over others' preference is pointless.
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38 minutes ago, Miky88 said:
Curious if she is the daughter of a traitor...But even if she was,why the need to hide that she is a women,the fear to be taken as slave/concubine or some other things?from who is the Mother hidden her away...Has anyone read the novel?Is a good twist to it?
Quite curious if he will indeed find out Ra On is a women or will get a typical preview twist
by the way does PGM have a IG acc aside from his twitter one?
I haven't read the novel, but from my limited sageuk viewing experience, when a noble family were considered to commit a grave sin, the following consequences might happen to their daughters:
1. killed
2. sent into exile
3. sold as slave or gisaeng
Even if the drama doesn't follow the novel to a T, it is likely that Ra On's real identity (as the daughter of a known family) is known to some powerful people who are possibly on the hunt for her, so the best way for the mother to protect her child is to brainwash her into rejecting her real identity and adopting a new one as a boy named 'Sam Nom'.
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- though I’d be glad to be proven wrong). But the second pic is a scene from a previous episode (when Hao Du was on the hunt for Changge, accompanied by Shu Yu). He was blocked and then restrained by a general who helped Changge escape. He held Hao Du captive for one night on the ground that he had to be cautious in light of Changge’s uncle’s planned rebellion).
Now we finally know for a fact that the musical score played during Ra On's dance is an OST and will be released soon. I seriously can't wait for it to be released! It will become one of my fav Korean drama OST of all times!
[Mainland Chinese Drama 2021] The Long Ballad 長歌行
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Actually all of their scenes where she gave him sass because he offended her gave me joy (why do I sound so masochistic lmao) because it hurts but it hurts in a good way. I feel that's where he underwent the most growth and I enjoy seeing him gradually change his perceptions. He definitely needed that push from Leyan.
It is actually those scenes that provide the perfect buildup to their confession in ep 42, which makes it so satisfying and emotional for me!