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Does anyone understand korean to translate this? 

 

 

Somin from 2014. 

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4 hours ago, Rida Live said:

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I'm sorry but I disagree, i don't even know the incident in full but from the story it wasn't an oppurtunity but manipulation. An oppurtunity is asking her privately not putting up a campaign on the social media where the world can criticize and insult her for not responding. At the end of the day she's human, lovelines are more complicated than people think they are. The amount of criticism, hate and unwanted opinions celebrities get from them is ridiculous yet TV stations and the staffs (PD's, writers, etc) do it for views and it's fine if the people involved are asked before hand and willing to participate. Saying they were giving her a big oppurtunity to promote herself and she declined is wrong and reaching when it was just cold blooded manipulation. If jongkook, who's only crime is being the second half of the loveline apologised, I see no reason why the person that started the campaign shouldn't. If she had gone on another show instead, it was what they rightfully deserved for trying to force her to guest on the show publicly without asking her prior to it. Them apologising wouldn't have been a big slap, it would have just shown they were decent people

.Not kookmin content so I didn't want to just blatantly post it lol

 

I will go off Kook-min topic. 

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These stuff weren't stranger to variety world and k-entertainment. Everyone fights for it and try to promote it. Variety has a platform to help celebrities to promote or advertise their movie, drama or etc in order to give more exposure to larger fanbase. I dont think common decency is really their nature unless Eun Hye gets hurt because of them or the fans getting upset with them for bothering her. Something like that. I dont think there is ever common decency in korea entertainment culture. Jong kook choose to get the role to apologise to her. it balance it out to move forward. 

 

I have to remind you again that I dont agree with their toxic workplace but to understand from it. No wonder Korean entertainment is so popular around the world. American entertainment is even worse in some ways. It is very cutthroat environment that you can't image how everyone struggle to keep up with it. It is their way of success. All the glam and money are all smoke and mirrors. It is really ugly behind it. 

 

Look at Running Man firing controversy hurting both Jihyo and Jong kook. It is somehow means something with sense of manipulation can turn into opportunity. It is to give them a wake up call in International fandom with manipulation how strong running man brand is. International fanbase saved Running Man, but still they have more problem that they won't last long. The controversy may have helped to stall time to keep the original members in but cannot keep them for a long time. They made a biggest bet to bring Somin and Sechan part of the team. No matter how important running man brand is, it still needs to keep going. It is hard to make perfect concept to keep viewers in and take care of the members. They are running out of ideas or etc. Jaesuk even could not have control to keep running man if they didn't solve the problem. Ratings are very important to them. My point is that, they are no stranger to this kind of acts of Machiavelli style to win the pointers. Asking them quietly for opportunity won't work in some ways. They needed hype from fandom to support them. Jaesuk keep on mentioning them. Somin also said the names of celebrities which makes her famous for lovelines. It helps to drawn people in. Somin in a way has better sense of building loveline to gain viewers without being awkward. Jong Kook in other hand tends to take everything too seriously. Anyone attached to JongKook becomes a scandal especially with Eun hye. With Somin, it would be less damaging to actors' careers.

 

K-entertainment environment is very toxic and aggressive. Jong Kook apologised to Eun hye that she shouldn't go through this kind of aggressive offer and using her as act of manipulation to bring hype. Her agency may not mind because it benefits them. As long as Jong Kook and Eun hye stay firm with their decision, it will come to pass. You may wonder why Jaesuk kept on bringing up her name for a reason, even still now. It is interesting of how variety works in Korea. Jong Kook also apologise to Sechan and Somin. I think who was hurt the most about running man firing controversy is not only Jong Kook and Jihyo, but also Sechan and Somin as well. They still continue to run and ignore the negative to serve the purpose to make one happy or laugh to their heart's content. 

 

I think they have tried to do common decency but it didnt work. Sometimes they go too far in order to keep their jobs or etc. The PD may have done something damaging to his own pride to reach out to them. He may have apologise to her privately. The PD could have apologise publicly but may there is no reason to. Unless Eun Hye's agency demand apology from RM and SBS or even sue them.

 

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I watched the whole episode instead of looking into clips. 

 

There are mistakes in fandom that Jong Kook is removed from Jihyo's list. The fortune teller said, no, Jong kook can be her devoted husband. He took Jaesuk, Sukjin, and Sechan into the list as well. He added that Sechan lacks in some ways that is not up par with Jihyo's standards. It could be a joke to point out Sechan rudely as a joke. I think Sechan is not in Jihyo's standard. He push Sechan into Somin. Somin ignored the fact he is same age and younger than her, and still consider him as her future husband. Somin's chances with Sechan is low due her chances to meet her husband in 2020 is high, and Sechan will not have luck in 2020. And Somin's husband is older than her. Jong Kook has possibility to marry in 2020. Jihyo and Somin have possibility for marriage in 2020. I got the feeling that Jihyo will win big award for new drama. Her drama is directed by well known director. I got the feeling that Jihyo will get married. I think she is in fact dating. It seems like she is quiet for a reason not engaging lovelines anymore. Unfortunately, my kook min heart, Jong kook may be a possibility. However, Somin and Jong kook is also another possibility. 

 

For those of you think Park Sung Hoon's fortune telling reading is fake or not real. I wouldn't say his reading is fake. Variety editing makes it confusing and fake. I think he has talked with PD about it. Somin and Sechan are taffy like partner but Somin's destiny does not point to him. But they kept on pushing Chan-min loveline hoping people will forget it. It is very small detail. Variety editing is to be consistent and play games. I doubt Sung hoon would make it fake. It does look like Running Man want to continue promoting Chan-min loveline. Somin seems to be accepting it from now time on ignoring small details. Sung Hoon said one member who will give warmth and affection to Kwangsoo is somin. It didn't mean they will end up together. He said same for Somin being most compatible with sechan among members for having taffy like friendship. Why did he choose Somin and Jong Kook pair in 2018? It is getting confusing. To put everything in a funnel to separate from variety editing... 

 

Somin-Kwangsoo

Sunghoon- Sunghoon is actually describing if they get married, Somin is the one who will give Kwangsoo warmth and affection. However, Kwangsoo will only benefit out of this relationship. She will care for him like her own son. He couldn't return affection to somin because he lacks dating skills. They work well together and quite compatible. 

Variety editing- Kwangsoo lacks dating skills. The two of them are business partners for running man. 

Interpretation: Somin and Kwangsoo are compatible but Somin's destiny is that her husband will care for her. She takes care of Kwangsoo like her son. So that is out of question that they will get married. But they have good teamwork on their compatibility that will make them popular if they continue to work together. It is like Jaesuk- Hyori. Jaesuk Myung Soo. Jaesuk-Kwangsoo. etc. If Somin's destiny that her husband would be like her child that she has to take care of him. it could mean that she could end up with Kwangsoo in the future. But her destiny is opposite of her compatibility with Kwangsoo. 

Somin-Sechan 

Sunghoon- Sechan and Somin, if they get married, they will have taffy like relationship. They will fight all the time but break up but will go back to each other. The way Sunghoon describes Sechan alone, he will be devoted to her and do things for her. However, his standard is lower. Somin's husband will be older than her which rules Sechan out. 

Variety editing: Sechan is out of question because of age. But still push Chan-min loveline. Somin said Sechan must get married in 2020 because of her. Sunghoon said Sechan has no luck with money and woman. 

Interpretation: Variety editing creates conflicts but still promotes something they want. It does same before that they were trying to promote Jihyo and Gary. If you look closer, Jihyo and Gary aren't compatible comparing to her with Jong Kook. That is why one of the old 2016 or 2017 forecast said Gary will be disappointed when he hears that. In older forecast said Jihyo and Gary are the best match. If Somin choose to marry Sechan, they will have good relationship that they will never get divorced and remain loyal to each other. But they still fight and annoy each other.  I think it comes from Somin's obsessive nature. She tends to do it when someone comes to her, she will obsess them. So it is not just Sechan. If it is Jong kook, she would be crazy about him. She in general will be obsessive with her husband. Sechan's standard became lower may because of his comedian image. There is stiff competition among comedians, and there are more comedians entering into entertainment industry. Sechan and Somin are good for each other because they are both loyal. Somin doesn't care if you have low standards or not, as long as you dont give up the relationship. Her personality is very hard to handle with so she decided to lower her standard to find someone who can make her happy. Jong Kook in other hand is actually good choice if Somin or someone mention him for us to hear about it their destiny together. Sung Hoon did say Jong Kook alone is generally a devoted husband like Jaesuk and Sukjin. Jong Kook is very loyal too. His traits are what attracts Somin the most. Sunghoon did say about Sechan that he will be devoted and do things for her, but not what she wants exactly. He wouldn't be able to give what she really wants. But Somin still will always be loyal even though she gets dissatisfied with him. She is forgiving and understanding. But there is someone who can do more for her to fit her needs and wants. But Somin's destiny is her husband who is older than her (ruling out sechan), and gives her parental affection and devotion (similar with her and Kwangsoo). We dont have any more information to further secure the idea of her future spouse. 

 

Jong Kook-Jihyo

Sunghoon: 80 to 95 compatibility. Jihyo will marry or get big honour in 2020. Her husband doesn't have high energy (he will be devoted husband to her) but must have high standard. Fortune teller said before she was surrounded by foolish men. So her standard is high. She will be blessed with more money and honour. Marriage is possible already. 

Variety editing: Jong Kook is out of question because he as high energy. Sunghoon objected that Jong Kook can be devoted. Sechan is devoted but low standard. 

Interpretation: Jihyo and Jong Kook has possibility. However, I think in my instinct, Jihyo will make someone who is CEO or high position, or A list celebrity or caliber. Jong kook has high caliber in singing world. Among members, Jong Kook is possibility, but I think Jihyo looks beyond that. I think she is dating because she is quite quiet and keeping distance with any lovelines or etc. 

 

Jong kook-Somin

Sunghoon- 2018 forcecast list-- Kook-min compatible with each other. 2020- no mention of Kook-min. Jong Kook should wear red and pink. After few years of changes, he needs to be more conservative and will be more stable. Somin has high chance to get married. 

Variety editing: None. 

Interpretation: Jong Kook doesn't share too much of his reading about marriage especially this year. Mentioning that Jong Kook needs to be more conservative comparing to 2018 that he would meet many women. Seems like it is time for him to be less flirty and dating going towards to be ready for marriage. He has done so many gigs last year, higher amount of money he makes brings him more stability to be ready for marriage. Remember in MUD, he delay proposal because he wanted to become perfect and ready. This time, maybe he will lower his number of gigs to spend more time with his future wife or girlfriend to be ready for marriage. That is when he will be more loyal and devoted and less flirty with lovelines. Maybe less loveline this year. Somin will meet her soul mate in 2020 being older than her. He'll be devoted to her too. No one mention about 2018 compatibility between kook-min. No curiosity. There is conflict of what Sung Hoon said that Somin is most compatible with Sechan versus 2018 compatibility chart. I think Somin and Sechan are compatible but Kook-min beats them to it. It seems like they omitted kook min for 2020 out for a reason. They have been giving us small clue about kook min. Jong kook is very close to sechan, who in a way very close to Somin. Jong Kook is now working with Sechan more often than before. Somin is drawn to Jong Kook but stuck with Sechan. With Jong Kook and Jaesuk combined, Somin will be more free to choose what she wants. She could go for Jong kook or other guy. We dont know. It is just getting strange about kook-min. They won't make it loveline. They will continue Chan-min loveline despite conflicts of information. 

 

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9 hours ago, kukumarq1 said:

SBS does not care about their cast members, I can tell you that. 

 

Back in 2015, when Jong Kook appeared on Healing Camp, they talked about everything from his career to his family, and then his loveline with Yoon Eun Hye. 

 

After the episode aired, the PD who was in charge at the time, launched a so called campaign on Twitter. It was their way of forcing her to join the show.  

 

The problem was that neither SBS nor Taek PD who was the main PD at the time, had asked her if she was going to join.

 

In the end, it was Kim Jong Kook who had to apologise in place of the PDs.

 

The most awful thing was that Taek PD didn't apologise to either Eun Hye or Jong Kook but said something along the lines of "oh well, I thought it would have worked."

 

The full story: 

http://koalasplayground.com/2015/02/11/running-man-in-hot-water-with-ill-conceived-twitter-campaign-to-pressure-yoon-eun-hye-to-guest/

 

About Eun-Hye hype is to push the ratings. Korean entertainment industry is constantly competing with others. They needed something to push the show into high ratings. It is not always PD at fault, but also fans' demands as well. It goes the same for Jinyoung. She accepted it. 

 

Eun-hye is a very popular actress. If she comes to Running Man to have loveline with Jong Kook, it does hurt her chance for more drama offers. Most dramas offer prefer to have single woman with no attachment to avoid hate and watch from drama perspective. Eun hye had two good choices but she has to do choose one. She chose to continue being an actress. However, she had ups and downs drawing criticism from the fans which put her into temporary hiatus. She wasnt in variety shows after that. She remain as an actress.

 

Jong Kook is apologising for being bothersome to Eun hye to give her space and respect. The PD didn't say sorry for a reason. They are giving BIG opportunity to Eun Hye and yet she declined it. The fans also at fault but I wouldn't blame them. They kept on tying them together. Jaesuk kept on talking about it too. So he is to blame. It is just between Jong Kook and Eun Hye. The PD is doing out of favour to promote Jong kook, Eun hye and Running Man because of the fans' demand. If they said sorry, it is a slap to their face if Eun hye decided to show up in other shows. Everyone is vying for her but RM tops the list. It is a out of respect and praise for her role in korean entertainment industry. 

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My analysis on understanding the fortune teller is almost the same. I have grown up getting used and getting confused with my readings. As I grew older, it is mostly a mere guide. It is true or not, but it is part of molding your destiny and decisions. 

 

I found it odd that fortune teller said sechan is born of big fire with Somin as small metal, and said somin will have an interesting relationship with him like taffy like marriage. It is neither good or bad. It is just how it is. It is bit more negative for somin than it is for Sechan.

 

Jihyo has high compatibility with Kwangsoo and Sechan even though they are not involved with each other. Kwangsoo has high compatibility with Jaesuk. It is not always about marriage. Somin and Jong Kook have high compatibility but it doesn't mean they will get married.

 

The fortune teller telling about Somin's husband comes from reading the time (destiny) she is was born combined with the day (relationship with partner)  she was born. Including the elements (their personalities). It gives defining interpretation. Fortune telling in Asian tradition has deep calculation and myriad of information made before them. This kind of reading said it will happen despite compatibility. 

 

I guess the fortune telling part is heavily edited out for sake of the members' privacy. Jong Kook's part is heavily edited out. The colour of choice-- i dont know why it made him laugh so hard. I realise that Jong Kook is red and Somin's pink. He has to wear both of their colours! I think they decided not to show his too much. It is his private life to make his decisions. However, telling Somin's is interesting. It is diverting attention to her. Her readings sort of pointed out to Jong Kook. However, there are any other older guys for her. Jihyo will get married this year. So it is still between the two to appease spartace. 

 

To be frank, Somin's reading is closely pointed to Jong kook for some reason. First, he is older than her. Before the reading said he has parental affection and care for her. We saw in latest episode of how Jong Kook supported and scold Somin like a parent. He may exaggerated for variety to tease her without a break. There are many other guys older than her. With his big water element, he is good for her. His traits also ties to her destiny too. Jong Kook is a celebrity too. =) Their elements are compatible (Water and metal)-- now they show their close bond over the time. Jong Kook's romantic traits have drawn on somin to the extent. They hang out together with ease. Off screen, when you see them talking to each other and teasing comes with ease. We see Sang yeob, Sechan, Jiseok, Kwangsoo, and other guys tease her in IG live in a good hearted way. Jong kook is one of few that tease her differently like she is one of his buddy. And he is very careful with how to explain his bond with Somin. It shows maturity of it. And he seems to be at ease being connected to her. 

 

Anyway, not related to this topic, I felt the hit from the sad news of the passing of Kobe Bryant, and his daughter, Gianna. As long time Lakers fan, I felt the sadness of losing one of the legend in the world of basketball leading with discipline and hardwork. I watched him play through my childhood and watched him in person ten years ago. RIP Kobe and Gianna. My heart goes to his wife and daughters to deal with the pain of losing the love of their lives. 

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Fortune teller telling him to wear pink more often... 

 

Everyone's thought including jong kook... Jong kook wearing pink tutu to work everyday. hehe. 

 

It was just my imagination that gotten everyone into laughter about suggesting Jong Kook to wear pink. 

 

Jong Kook wore pink sweater when walk trail of hearts along his head to greet Somin. Remember Somin wearing illusion LA Lakers shirt? It was best pink shirt moment Jong Kook wore. =) And he greeted Somin first wearing that shirt!! Hehe. 

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9 minutes ago, TaengTaengoo said:

Basically their fortunes are created pretty accurately to how the process is meant to be done (dont believe any of that stuff) but the interpretation of it is wildly exaggerated for comedic effect and to fit narratives

 

There are half truths and different way of interpreting it. It leaves to your and members' judgment to see how could they reach their destiny. 

 

Taffy like marriage between Sechan and Somin describes the nature of their relationship 'IF' they get married. If the fortune teller goes in details, you will see some accuracy or something we can change. Some people can change their destiny or fortune. We have free agency. There are reasons for editing things out to keep it private. 

 

Just don't dwell to much into variety editing. The fortune telling forecast just gives you a clue. My observation doesn't come from fortune telling forecast using variety edit. I have been used to my family constant checking on our fortune when new year begins. We tend to check it out how it would fare for us to prepare our destiny. Their elements are true and real. But if you grew up knowing how it works, it works that way to see its relationship. 

 

What is true about the variety editing: Somin and sechan if date or marry-- taffy like marriage. They will always fight but never breakup. They will always come back to each other. 

Reason not to believe: they will get married because they are like taffy. 

The fortune teller is talking about the nature of their relationship. If Somin ask how she will be with Jong kook, the fortune teller would say, if they get married, they will be like... Fortune teller did say about Somin and Kwangsoo that Somin cares for him like a mother. It is one sided. It could happen if they get married. Somin will constantly take care of him. The fortune teller already detailed that traits of Somin's husband which will guide her to find who she will feel confident to get married before her marriage window closed. It is more of a mere guide rather than just belief. 

 

What is true: Jong kook and Jihyo has 85 to 95 percent compatibility. 

Reason not to believe: Their high compatibility will get them married. There are other guys who will have high compatibility with Jong Kook or Jihyo. It depends on their destiny. The way to find out is their time they were born. 

The clue about Jihyo's destiny is that her husband is someone she looks up to. No fortune teller will tell them to get married or not. Just guide them through their needs and wants. 

 

Variety editing is tricky. It just leave to your judgment. The members would have done private reading with fortune teller with more details. 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Rida Live said:

Exactly what I was thinking. People seeing the whole taffy thing in a romantic light but it's high key toxic to the boot. All they said was they will never be separated not that it will always be good between them. It's like no matter how bad things are, they can't escape, they are trapped with eachother. They can't move on and try to find something or someone better, they are stuck with eachother. I mean there is a reason they weren't the most compatible despite having the taffy like relationship, because of the negative aspects of it. Some might illusion it as romantic but all in all it's a trap, an emotionally slaving trap.

 

If you look in other way-- Somin is small metal and Sechan is big fire. Fire can melt the metal and control its destiny and manuever the situation whether she likes it or not. It depends on Sechan's part. I would not say if it is toxic or psychological. It was more of who takes advantage role in the relationship if they date or get married. It just depends on a person. Somin seems to depend on Sechan for his good character and talent. The person who can get in the way of their relationship is someone who is born of big water to extinguish the fire in order to get Somin get drawn to them. Somin as small metal is good for anyone who is born of water. Jaesuk alone may not be able to control Sechan. But if it is Jong kook and Jaesuk combined, it could help her to move with freedom and creativity in her own needs and wants. I think it is sort of what I saw when I see the dynamics between Somin, Jaesuk, Jong kook, and Sechan. HaHa would be the one to hold Sechan and Somin together. He is big earth which is not good for water. That is why he is always brave to counter Jaesuk with Chan-min and Kook-min loveline or chemistry. HaHa in a way is good for Somin which gives him more balance that he is not all for Sechan. He will depend on what somin wants. Jaesuk is like mysterious caption of kook-min ship. =) He always smile during kook-min moments. 

 

Like I said that Somin's destiny depends on her future husband's traits the fortune teller had described before. He has parental affection for her. It makes someone who is a lot older and mature than she is. Somin is actually very mature. She is polite, bright, and considerate. She is not kind of wild as you think of her variety persona. She is also considered to be conservative. I expect him to be much older. It treat Somin like a parent-- is like how she cares for Kwangsoo. She lift him up, works with him, cares for him, and always there for him. She often calls him to chat. That's why I think the guy who is called to be caring would be older than her. Somin is very mature, so that guy should be more mature than we thought. 

 

I think Jong Kook said he'll support Chan-min loveline to distract everyone from Jaesuk's weirdest jokes or comment to throw everyone off. Somin act disappointed that he wouldn't introduce her to other handsome healthy korean guys he know. Looks like he's using Sechan to keep her in his radar. Two of them will continue to get to know each other without strings attached. Sechan has always been Somin's friend long before they came to the show. They had so many times to have chance to flourish their chemistry naturally to become a couple. It turned out that Kook-min started natural chemistry and interaction for three years. Somin called out Jong Kook's name since she first came to the show. She is using his name randomly. I think Jong kook started to see change in the light about Somin after he betrayed her secret. Imagine him watching what somin said when she wanted to protect his secret because of his character. It was a nice compliment she made for him. Somin in a way tends to tease his ego, sarcasm,  and other weird habits. She would make him think twice about it. For example, he made terrible acoustic poem that left Somin bitter smile while Kwangsoo and Sechan praised him as they were afraid of him. Jong Kook would check on her and said he doesn't like her in teasing way. He often make crazy analysis on Somin, and she always give him witty answers like how is HaHa is chosen handsomest. We all thought Jong kook's habits in MUD about saving napkin is too extreme. He may exaggerate for the sake of reality show to make laughs. Somin create skits about it. She once said it is difficult to become his wife. She did the napkin skits. Jong Kook's answer surprised her and made her heart flutter. Jong Kook may have realised that some women tend to get wrong idea about his napkin habits. But she was also very consistent to praise his talent in singing and his character. She always praise his good side and his cute or heroic ways. She would fawn over him. I think these are the traits that made them solidify their bond whether they are dating or not. There is a strong mutual trust and freedom between each other expressing their creativity. Jong Kook's variety persona and expression changed a lot when he is around Somin. 

 

I have to see with subtitles to see how all of these things will go. 

 

And for Jong Kook and Jaesuk to wear more pink this year-- both of them are born in big water. So they have to wear more pink which is more of small fire to control the year of golden rat. Too much water with yin golden rat year, they would need small fire to balance their elements to succeed. 

 

And FYI, Somin's favourite colour is red. =) 

 

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Somin is becoming more unpredictable and mysterious than I thought. She works well with everyone, and is consistent with her her personality and caring nature. She is creative and witty. She observes and create something out of anything for each person. Even in Running man, you cannot tell whether she is spy or not. She is getting smarter with the game, and even fooled Jong Kook especially during glutton episode. He goes back to suspect her every time or it became a habit of his. Many said he needs a good reading on her... but I think he likes challenge. He is thinking seriously whether she is the one or not. Somin in a way plays along the game but she also create chemistry and skits around it making it more fun and entertaining as possible. Sometimes she became quiet when she gets the role, but she learned it became too predictable. when it comes to loveline, she plays it like skits to create iconic lines to become trending. She connects it with anyone who wants to share screen time with her. She creates it for them. It builds up more advertising and promotion to the guests and running man. 

 

Jong Kook is more open book than Somin. In games, he tends to play spy role well. When it comes to lovelines, he does opposite of what Somin would do. He generally does not like lovelines at all. He hates it when it attach to him. He felt like it becomes automatic scandals on and off screen. It annoys him to the core. He did try to participate the lovelines if someone present it more creatively. For example, Somin did short stint loveline with him creating skit for him to act as husband. It flows out from him freely to participate. Somin in a way reads him in the beginning that she create it more sibling like bond. It didn't come to an effect until mid 2018 when Jong kook revealed her secret. Not just Jong kook realising about Somin, Somin also learn how Jong Kook was willing to change to play along with her character for stronger bond on and off screen. Somin's response to Jong kook is more generic. Like everyone else would do the same to say about him like he won't do that. He is private and loyal type of guy. The one who would definitely betray him will be Kwangsoo and HaHa. Jaesuk and Sechan (medium). Neutral Sukjin. Jihyo- she will not. Jong kook wouldn't share anyone's secret except.... it depends on the nature of the secret. =) I am sure he won't share Jihyo's and Somin as well. I am surprised he said he would this time for somin so he won't resent her. That was first notice of change we see him at that time. Then gradually they became closer and closer. Jong Kook solo concert confirmed to their close bond have become stronger than before. It goes along to see him hanging out with Somin most of the time. It was a great journey to sell the development of sweet and crazy kook-min moments. 

 

Chan-min moments have shown trending in never charts like Monday Couple and Jong Kook-Jinyoung. Jong Kook- Jinyoung is one of the successful marketing tool because Jinyoung acts strong woman taking control of Jong Kook. It is a big change in his usual variety character, not his real character. I notice Jong Kook didn't enjoy the role but he did play along. It hurts his pride quite a bit. I think people enjoy seeing him having a change but it doesn't seem too natural. He's not very expressive with his loveline with Jinyoung. People around him are forcing things around him. He is doing the best he can and guide by what others said about them. With Somin, he is very different. No one forced him like how HaHa tried to force things on Chan-min saying all kinds of silly things that doesn't make sense or just plain too weird to be true. If it is true, he wouldn't have said it so openly in a joking way. Jong Kook was the one who initiate most the time with his partnership with Somin. When somin said something very witty to him, he was irritated but impressed. They argue in a way to reason each other out. They tease when they argue. Jong Kook in a way has become more weird with Somin around. He wasn't weird way like Somin. Just weird when he changed his persona. He shared his stories about his ex sharing his romantic side. He gets little crazy with Chan-min loveline. He answers ambiguously when it comes to loveline with Somin. The members had to go opposite like ignoring it like it has never happened or changed the subject to push Chan-min loveline. Just currently Sechan decided to fall into Somin's advances, and to her surprise, she goes opposite saying that was weird. Plain weird. She wants to go to Jong kook but was yanked back. I dont know why Jong Kook said these words as if he wants to let her know he is fine with it. And look at him in football game teaching Somin to deal with her mattress. Scolding or cheering for her. When Sechan tried to elbow her back overwhelming his skinship with her pushing Jong kook away, Jong Kook came back to give Somin's attention. I mean, that wasn't him. He is acting like her proud and crazy dad of hers! Sechan is like trying to get in the way to prevent them getting too close. I think Sechan is trying not to get them edit out again. Kook-min as behind the scenes have become entertaining more than just loveline or none at all. Their behind the scenes and spontaneous moments are so cute and entertaining. And Jong kook looked like he enjoys teasing everyone. Somin's clumsiness and determination have amused and impressed him like it calls for his comments, scolding, and cheer/support. 

 

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3 hours ago, kookminclan RunningMan said:

kook-min standing next to each other 

 

 

Miss Kook-min moments! 

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27 minutes ago, shamos83 said:

 
I just really like this

 

and for some reason it made me smile

 

chan min and Kook-Na? 

 

aieya. 

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please delete this post. 

 

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2 hours ago, AB_fan said:

Hi kukumarq, 

Nice to see your posts, from a KJK fan to another. I think fans are roughly 3 groups - majority believed that he dated YEH, some believed he confessed to her but she rejected, while some believed the one he dated was Chae Yeon. 

 

But you are right to say fans shd not read too hard into what they seen on screen since Korean culture may have differences + celebrities may also have different boundaries from typical viewers. This affects how we interpret what we see. What we see on screen is edited (what SBS wants to show us), so it is more important to know that JSM and KJK are really close and care for each other behind the scenes.

 

I just want him to get married to a good lady and enjoy a fruitful life with his companion since he had been through a rather tough 44 years already.

 

I prefer ladies who complements him instead of being similar to him so JSM would be one of the top choices. HJY is another good choice but the ship has sunk, no thanks to haters. KHN would give JSM a run for the money in my preference after the newest episode though .

 

 

Kang HaNa is a sweet girl. Great personality too. She was former ballet dancer which shares the same discipline Jong Kook has in his traits and personality growing up. She'll be tough match for Kook-min hearts. =) 

 

HaNa and Somin have very different personalities. So it is up to Jong Kook who can handle their personality. I think Somin will be harder to handle. It takes a lot of patience to deal with her. She has a lot of creativity and thinking mindset wanting to get out. Someone like Jaesuk and Jong Kook can help her to give direction to build her creative freedom. Jaesuk helped Somin to build her entertainer role in variety world. He supported her with her quick wittiness and catching up the situation to perform it at the last minute. Somin is very observant like Jaesuk to capture each person's strengths and weakness. Jong Kook may have help Somin to share her creative freedom like sharing her poems and creativity. He answered almost all of her SNS texts about her poems. They may have talked a lot about it together. They sang the confession song together. Jong Kook finds it trendy with good sense of content. He and Somin could have enjoy creating creativity together. I am not sure if Jong Kook has patience with her personality her mom is worried about. She can be overwhelming, strong, consistent, and weird in some ways that could put misunderstanding on him. I think he got to know her more and got used to it. Then they became close. 

 

As for Kang HaNa, I dont know her really well. I hope Jong kook gets to get married to woman he loves. And Somin, I hope she gets to be with someone she deserves to be with to give her all happiness and a lot of creative freedom to continue to inspire us. I hope she won't disappear but continue to leave mark in our lives. 

 

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7 minutes ago, machi said:

Hi, I'm new to posting comments on this even though I follow this thread regularly.

 

I just want to say, is anyone notice how KJK said that he likes woman "who is fun to be with" or "is funny" during partner selection? Who has similar humor code with him?

 

It's just interesting to me that the past year, he keeps saying a woman who's fun is in his radar.

 

Anyway, I don't know if both of them are together or just close but If they still don't have anyone, I think it'd be great for them to look from the people around.....aka each other. They both seem to match their own ideal description lol.

 

 

 

That is interesting but i have seen his exact words for having fun woman in his radar. He often said he likes calm, reserved, and nice personality who gets along with his friends. He did say like someone petite and not too tall. He has a lot of standards. His taste to change a lot over time. He all of sudden likes cheerful girls with aegyo after choosing jinyoung. He changed a lot. He is just waiting for the girl to make his heart flutter. 

 

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5 hours ago, kukumarq1 said:

No yea, I know. That's why I don't think it's a good idea to look into it too hard since often rubs his neck either in pain or embarrassment. 

 

Embarrassment mostly cause he has said he really hates having attention on him. And yea, you are pretty spot on with his patterns if he's in pain.

 

For newer fans, I would absolutely recommend Jong Kook's Healing Camp interviews Part 1 and 2 if you wish to find out more about him. 

 

And this with this body language reading, I'm suddenly transported back to when Monday Couple was at its peak and there was someone who was very convinced Gary and Jihyo were dating based on their body language alone.

 

I have seen Healing Camp interviews about Jong Kook before. 

 

About the body language, we do have difficulty to see what is variety and what is real or behind the scenes. 

 

Here is a thing, variety tends to show half truths. I wonder what scene did the body language expert see  when he or she observed the interaction between monday couple. I am one of the few were not taken by their interaction that can go beyond off screen. Sometimes they probably only show their interaction for variety sense to expert to interpret it. What we see in variety is their interaction, background scenes, and some other spontaneous activity like cheering for one another or etc. What I see Jihyo and Gary-- they mostly interact for skits and behaviour to play as a cute couple or loveline. Jihyo is an experienced actor who can manipulate the situation well. Gary, a musician and a romantic tends to be really good words. He has very romantic gestures. To be frank, Jihyo in real life don't tend to like romantic or aeygo  gestures too much. She later goes along with it accepting her role as Monday couple, a popularity among the fans. I don't often seen Jihyo and Gary together in background scenes or spontaneous activity where members cheer each other or care for each other. Kwangsoo has shown more tender care for Jihyo in background. Jong Kook was with Jihyo more than Gary in the background. He even held her arms or put her arms around. He cares for her. Jihyo is very comfortable with him. It could be more of a 'true' part of the variety. Jihyo has most chemistry with Kwangsoo for their Kwangmong moments. I see her more of real self when she's around Lee Dong Wook. She just called him without letting him know they will be filmed beforehand. She calls him and began to chat and bicker with him all the way. When she saw him when he came to guest the show, she was overjoyed. It is not like she has crush on him, but she was very warm with him in terms of body language. Dong Wook seems be used to it, and tease her with it. They have a good rapport and ease without being too scripted but they know the roles. Jihyo has better ease with this kind of situation. 

 

What I see and mention about Jong Kook's body language, I am not his long time fan. I did read the interviews and videos about him. He has gone through so much in his life and entire career. When he talks of Real Kim Jong Kook with Joker perspective, it was definitely who he is. He has always been trying to be meticulous with his job, treating both genders with full of love, loyalty, and care in terms of friendship, and his whole life building his career with wisdom and hope. He has mature so much, and how his image has soften more to be little open to see his real self. Back then, I never really see him as a romantic type. He has been deeper into his soul about how he can share the pain he has gone through and how he made it to make him stronger. His personality is very consistent but secretive and mysterious. 

 

I am not trying to overwhelm my belief in body language solely for variety perspective. Kook-min has a lot of interaction in background scenes, off screen interaction and stories, and through spontaneous activity or moments. Sometimes it just came out of blue and we just have to have eagle eye for it. You can be right like for example, one of the episode shows Jong Kook and Somin sitting next to each other very close. Their backs were facing us before Kwangsoo came to cover them without knowing. He was moving to look at the game closely. Maybe HaHa sat next to JongKook's other end before he moved to check other other screen. 

There are spontaneous moments between kook min mostly happen in background scenes or cheering or scolding activity that comes in spontaneous moment rather than scripted or ad libs. I have to say that Kook-min is so confusing but spontaneous so consistently that it looks like it is not only for variety. They could be consistent because Jong Kook tend to scold and nag at somin like the way he did with Jihyo. I think he did it with Jinyoung sometimes but not to the extent.

 

I think I got too excited with their interaction in current episode because spontaneous activity without loveline for natural kook-min moments come rarely and strange in some ways. 

 

I notice the pattern that jong Kook rubbed his neck with smirk to indicate his hidden amusement. I tend to do that when I get embarrassed at certain stuff. Thank for pointing out that it is possible an injury he had that hurt his neck. Sometimes I see Jaesuk rub his neck when he was dismay with something. It is common to others to rub their neck for amusement or dismay. 

 

When Somin dance Girls Generation erasing the blackboard dance, Jong Kook looked at her and rubbed his head with smirk. I dont think it is about his interest towards her but an amusement of her cute yet weird acts. 

 

Jong Kook may turned into brotherly role to be consistent in the game that he looks alive. Maybe he loves doing sports rather than liking and paying attention to Somin. I am wrong to point it out but I think his attention on somin is cute and overwhelming. However, he does that with other members too. He could have tried to cheer up for trying her best. I would see his continuation to act on his brotherly role towards Somin. The smack on her back really hard-- i can tell it is for variety. If it is real, SOmin would say, Jong kook and her will never be together if he is too rough on her for real. She said the same about Kwangsoo. 

 

It is just an observation. It is hard to separate what is variety or what is not especially when you are a shipper. We tend to blow out of proportion in some acts. I can say that Kook-min has a lot of good chemistry even though there are skits or scripted interaction all the way to natural interactions. They could have qualify for loveline for their similar philosophy and interest despite different personalities. They are like cat and mouse dynamics with a lot of fun and spontaneous moments. When Somin said something so witty that really knocked him out. He laughed so hard, and I dont think it was for variety, but in some way in his mind trying to figure out how to explain this correctly and respectfully to continue the strong bond between him and the rest of the members. He and Somin really proved to be close on and off screen. 

 

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3 hours ago, kukumarq1 said:

 Because of his scoliosis, he has a herniated disk in his neck also. So sometimes, it's hard to tell if the pain caused by his herniated disk is acting up or he's just being shy.

 

I see... 

 

I think if he rubbed his neck with smirk looking at something with amusement, he tends to do that. With grim or resting face look rubbing, he could be sore or in pain. 

 

If you look at other episodes, he rubbed his neck with little smirk slanting his head-- if you see most episode, he always react to something that is cute or funny. He just rubbed his neck smiling with embarrassment. He is like trying to hide his amusement. It happened a lot when we see the pattern when somin did cute dance, he rubbed his neck with smirk. He did it a lot when he saw cute dances or etc. If you see him smirking, he is hiding his feelings. He does that at Jihyo and other women who tried to do aeygo on him. 

 

If it is pain, Jong Kook's expression will look bit grim. He will repeatedly rub to ease the sore part of the nerves. 

 

I see the pattern when Jong Kook gets pain from his spine or back, he tends to put weight on member's shoulder to ease tension. Even though Sukjin is older than him, he let Jong Kook do it for him not because he let him be. He knew it is way to ease the tension on Jong Kook's back. Sometimes he rub his back or walk with his feet wide apart. When he sits down, he move around a lot to ease the pain. He will laid his back on one of members. Sukjin was often led to support him. If he has pain, he tends to lead onto someone. 

 

That is my opinion and pattern. 

 

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When he is touching his neck and moving his head on side. It is his body language when he is in unconscious mind. That is common pattern for him when he finds something cute or heart fluttering. 

 

Look at Somin, she wasn't all 100 with Sechan, and her body was going towards inches towards Jong Kook, but Sechan yanked her away. I mean, Somin probably want to talk to him to explain all these stuff without knowing that Jong Kook hasn't taken his turn to choose. =) Somin's body language is also strange too. She wasn't too careful that Sechan was thinking ahead to bring her back to reality. 

 

It is funny that Sechan and rest of members are quite conscious about Kook-min especially after Kookmin sang together at the concert. I mean Jaesuk could joke what is like to be in his place or etc. He has a lot of things to complain. Hehe. However, Jihyo was very quiet. She was always saying to put Chan-min into spotlight like Bora said Somin likes to flirt with Sechan. Jong kook was weird and quiet in intro. And Sechan accepting Somin's offer to Somin's annoyance. I think Jong kook was flustered when Somin began to admit that she didn't expect Sechan to answer like that. I think she expect rejection. She expect him to play along hard to get. Somin doesn't look happy. However there is no male guest!!! And why she is so annoyed? Hehe. Somin went to agree to team with Sechan but her body is moving towards Jong Kook. I think she forgot that she had to move other side, and wanted to talk to stand next to him. I think she sort of see him bit down, and wanted to cheer him up.

 

And the football game, Jong Kook was all over Somin. And thanks a lot to Sechan trying to pry Jong kook apart from Somin. And Jong Kook kept on coming back to give her word of support or nagging. Somin is like his daughter. He comes to teach her and tell her what to do, and nag or support her. Skinship is pretty tight and strong. He grasped her head, hold her arm, and ruffle her head with everyone. The way he looked at her was so sweet. He was so proud of her. When Somin didn't kick the ball well, he just laughed for her feeling her embarrassment. I mean, he was like all cheered up and excited. He was active there and loving when somin makes mistakes or finally scored. I haven't seen Jong kook so alive in a silly game.

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36 minutes ago, uNiQueEkiX said:

 

in the actual scene of your last gif, the subtitle really said that he is flustered to choose between the guests.

 

So is it means that, the scene when SeChan drag SoMin to the other side and JK rub his neck also mean that he flustered? 

 

that is his body language when he is in unconscious mind. That is common antics that shows a pattern when he finds something cute or heart fluttering. He does that a lot. 

 

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21 minutes ago, kukumarq1 said:

Jong Kook was in both X-Man and Love Letter aka match made in heaven.

 

During this scene, he was teasing Jong Kook about Yoon Eun Hye who he very famously dated.

 

If you listen closely, you'll realise that they played a Baby V.O.X song which is the group Eun Hye is in.

 

I dont think Jong Kook dated Eun Hye. Maybe he did. But it is part of teasing Jaesuk always like to push his buttons. 

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1 hour ago, Rida Live said:

I think it's ysc, when the fortune teller said it and they showed lks and yjs reactions, I saw ysc rising up beside lks looking shocked and offended lol

 

 

in general or rule of thumb for korean fortune telling-- 

 

Positive relationship
metal-Water-wood-fire-earth-metal

metal carries water. Water gives nourishment to wood. Wood gives life to fire to burn. Fire create ashes from earth. Earth gives birth to metal.

Somin (metal)-->JongKook/Jaesuk (water)-->Jihyo/Sukjin/Kwangsoo (wood)-->Sechan(Fire)-->HaHa (Earth)--> Somin (metal)

 

Negative relationship

water-fire-metal-wood-earth-water

Water takes out fire. Fire melts and control metal. Metal can chop the wood. Wood can weed out from earth. Earth muddies water. 

 

Something you can tell who is not compatible with Somin. Also note that Somin is yin (small) metal. Anyone who has big fire wouldnt be good for her, but it depends on a person or her destiny. So anyone who has big fire has a lot of control over Somin whether she likes it or not because she is born of yin metal being controlled by big fire. Somin is okay for for someone who has big fire, but he is not supposed to be compatible for her. In some ways, someone born in year of water can pull her out of it if she wants. 

 

People who are not compatible are actually close friends but their personality may clash or etc. Jong Kook and Jaesuk are both very close to HaHa. They tend clash sometimes. Sometimes Jong Kook gets irritated with HaHa but remain very close to him. Sechan and Somin are very close and enjoy each other's company with very respect. Somin is very close and compatible with Kwangsoo. They are amazing comedic pair. They are really close too. Romantically will be one sided or nada. So it is not always 100 percent. If they want to know their real destiny, it is to know the time of your birth to see what kind of person you would meet. You may meet and marry someone who is not compatible. If lucky to meet soul mate or etc. 

 

The clue is to hear what fortune teller about their destiny. 

Jong Kook and Jihyo- 80-95 percent compatibility 

Somin and sechan's marriage may be like taffy like that they would be obsessed with each other even though they fight all the time.

Somin-Jong Kook- best pair

Somin's husband will take care of her like his own child (caring for her with full of love and affection). 

Somin's husband will come to court her slowly. 

Somin's husband job comes from mouth (talking, MC, singing, newscaster, comedian, or etc) and someone from her circle.

Jong Kook will meet a lot of women before he gets married. 

Jong Kook needs to drop his analytical mindset and specific standards. 

Somin is the one who can give warmth and affection to Kwangsoo. 

Kwangsoo will benefit from Somin only. 

 

These are the clues about their destines. Even though fortune teller said they are compatible, it does not mean they will end up together. It is their destiny that would end up together. Most clue are laid to us is Somin's description of her future husband as her destiny. That is all we know. 

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I haven't watch the current episode yet. I watch kook-min clips. The football game is so funny. Somin dominated it in a very funny way. All thanks to her air mattress. it is her scene stealer. Jong Kook was nagging somin for not handling mattress until he used it. He ended up kicking it hard. Haha. At least he learned how somin had to deal with such an annoying tool. However, she managed to score and lots of love from the gangs and especially hand grasp on her head from Kim Jong Kook. I wish there is slow motion of it when he grabbed her head to pull her close but sechan got in the way! I think Sechan means it well to keep them not getting edit out. Looks like Jong Kook couldn't keep his hands off Somin. After the boys ruffled her head, Jong Kook came back to give her moral support touching her arm and looking at her. 

 

Looking at comments and naver--- there comes a lot of support for Chan-min loveline. I still dont like it too much. I know you guys think it is cute but I think not. I'll explain it to you in few sentences. 

 

I also notice that HaNa and Somin are good friends. They are both silly and cute. It is like Jong Kook and Sechan are close. I was thinking maybe HaNa will be female version of Sechan towards loveline with Jong Kook. A lot of others like them together even kook min shippers. My heart pains to see it. Hehe. 

 

There are some reason i was not impressed with Chan-min loveline. Kwangmin partnership is perfection for comedy and variety. I like it more than Chan-min, Spartace, and Monday Couple. Sorry guys. Before, it Chan-min loveline is bit awkward like he kept on avoiding or shooting down somin's advances. I mean, Somin deserves better than treated like that. This is how I felt about Gary and Jihyo. My heart breaks for Gary, and I know Jihyo has her own certain type she likes. She felt pushed to it and accept it. I find it painful to watch from Gary's side. He's such a sweetheart. And Jihyo is such a kind hearted girl. This time, I notice a bit about Sechan handling Somin this time that it is first time he started to accept her advances. He knew her too well, and went opposite of what she expects it to be. How come he didn't reject her for fun to continue the loveline. This time is bit awkward. I dont think Somin likes being in the role of rejecting others in the face of variety if something she likes or does not like. She is careful. I noticed Sechan was pulling her away from someone, and when he came to ruffle her hair, he pulled her jacket backward and arms around her neck to prevent her from getting close to another. Maybe because i look from kook-min eyes. It is hard to accept for it to happen when we have to see kook-min pulling apart or someone getting in the way. I dont know what is Jong Kook is thinking. 

 

It could be Sechan wanted to put kook-min apart because they have become too close. They could mindlessly become attach at each other not paying attention to others. If Jong kook and Somin are in team, the two will be in their own world forgetting about everyone. And Jong Kook grasped Somin's head towards him. He could have tried to hug her but Sechan probably tried to stop them from going too far otherwise they will be edited out. And they didn't talk much about SOmin singing with Jong kook. I mean.. they just say it that it was fun out there that she did well. He would say she is his doensaeng. When it is scripted, the two were very well behaved and followed the instructions. When it comes from spontaneous situation like winning a game or somin finally score, Jong Kook came to somin very strong with lots of skinship. He gave her support and a lots of scolding and nagging. Sechan had to get in the way to prevent them from whatever it would happen. I also notice in the intro when Somin decided to team with Sechan walking towards him to clasp his hands, but her body was going towards Jong Kook before Sechan yank her away. I dont think he is jealous but I think he knows what Somin is going to do. And also they have to move away not standing next to Jong KooK! 

 

I dont know what's next. My heart hurts for now. Hehehe. I see a lot of somin fans hoping the fake Chan-min loveline would become real. I mean, didn't they see the part somin was shocked and whined why did it happened! So it look like she is only playing for variety for sechan's sake. 

 

And Sechan should be getting used to be talked over between the kook-min. =) 

 

About fortune telling... I am kind of worried because it may create half truths again. It is getting weirder than ever. I wonder why they didn't do it last year, and all of sudden now this year. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Mellow_mindeulle said:

I think they were not feeling well. And I think JSM's SNS post lately show that she was not in good mood. I read that JSM said someone she wrote confession for still hasn't confessed to her in Hanna's radio program. do you think she is sad bcos of that? 

 

Poets always write sad poem to convey the feelings of a reader to capture their hearts. Many great poems talks of this yearning. Somin is consistent with the name of love and drunken stories in form of poem. 

 

It is big part of the book-- the pain of love to connect with broken hearts like hers so she could reach out to them that they could share their stories and cry together. They would come to her book signing and she could connect with them stories they would share. it is kind of Somin she wants to become. She has a very deep soul. 

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1 hour ago, YellowDress said:

 

I just saw the last part of the episode. He said 'awful' compatability. LOL. I hope its not KJK. 

 

oh no. =( He was the one who suggested Sechan and Somin for taffy like marriage. He said somin will have nice relationship with Sechan. He was the one to put Jong Kook and Somin as best compatibility. I dont know what happened now. I rule out HaHa. Earth Sheep and Metal Tigers are compatible and best friends. He said Kwangsoo is quite compatible with her. Not Jaesuk. Sukjin is horse and somin is tiger-- best compatibility. aieya... no idea. =-( 

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50 minutes ago, MandelBrot said:

Wow!!!

 

KJK give signal to somin for the loveline in this EP too HAHAH

 

I am starting to think that it is not the idea of the PD, but of KJK, YSC and YJS

 

 

Can you explain in details? 

 

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1 hour ago, YellowDress said:

Unnamed individual haa to be someone among the members, yeah? Fortune teller wouldn't have details of others. 

 

And if its Sechan, unlikely that JSM or others would be 'surprised' because their compatability was mentioned in the 2018 fortune telling episode.  

I think i saw the translation that fortune teller told sechan he gets no money and woman for 2020. I dont think sechan is Somin's destiny but sechan will be mentioned because of Chan-min loveline they want to promote.