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@QSD WOW! DAEBAK! Thank you! These pics are precious and rare! I'm gonna keep these pics in a vault or something lol And Alcheon looks so young! Is the baby in the pic the 2nd or 3rd child? 

 

Copy @yanki let's rewatch EOG next week after you finish SFD, i think i'll be done with R1997 by then also. 

 

I also disliked Munno. He could have raised BD a bit more affectionately rather than keeping him in a distance. 

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6 hours ago, yanki said:

Yeah he went to the cave with Santak to look at what the traitors were doing and saw that they were doing something in the cave. He then asked Yushin to lend him his soldiers so he can attack those traitors. And the ship thing happened. Then next Yeomjeon was walking on the forest and Bidam was following them, and started to attack them alone not with any soldiers or so, then someone tried to kill him and the whole drama started. The soldiers he asked from Yushin was never shown nor mentioned after that. I think this happened around episode 60-61.

 

The attack happened right after QSD ordered BD to escape but he couldn't do so without giving YJ a payback first. I'm not sure but I  think he was all alone because the original plan to apprehend YJ and the rebel at the cave got buried after the whole Qing boat/Chunchu fiasco.

 

Other possible scenarios why are 1) Qing envoy + Qing boat + CC failed assassination incident = destabilizing the throne. His followers are the main suspects and BD is their just cause for doing so. YS already have doubts after the 1st incident and with the other two incident it's not exactly far fetched if he refused to lend BD soldiers as BD might use them for other purposes 2) BD is already given orders to escape pronto which would mean QSD's order for him to take care of his followers was already bypassed/invalid, he doesn't have the authority anymore coz QSD will deal with it herself..during this time the Military Board were already busy keeping an eye on the houses of BD's followers awaiting for instructions to apprehend them but when Wolya give them the command they were too late, the followers already escaped.

 

 

5 hours ago, QSD said:

Yeah, he did.  It was around 5 or 6 years ago.  You bet I sure do have that pic for life.  After he posted, some fans told him he better taking it down before the queen finds out about it, so he actually had deleted it.  Indeed, his mistake had made the fans super happy.

 

Now that we have seen a glimpse of her kid, I will share it here later when I get home.  I don't think the queen going to hunt me down anyway.

 

okay this is hilarious! he must not have known how mama bear LYW is protective with her daughter's privacy or he wouldn't even dare to try LOL. Thanks chingu, this is the curse of being a new fan, i missed a lot of things! If sharing it here publicly would be hard then me and vaiduakho's inbox will be waiting with open arms LOL 

 

2 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

It was long ago, when I first knew LYW and started searching info abt her, made friend here and there with local and int'l fan. They showed me a bunch of photos from social accounts of ppl around LYW (stylists, LYW's relatives, LYW's friends, LYW's sister's friends, LYW's hubby's friends...)

 

That's a good idea, IMO. How abt Empire of Gold? That drama is simply a gem !!! My most favourite among LYW's business dramas. 

 

We had hot and tense discussion in the drama thread when it was on air. But in my experience, when I grow older and more immature (hopefully), my view of the world has changed, so I have different opinions and feelings abt the same thing as time passes. 

 

Me too! I'm following LYW's stylists and friends on IG and boy, LYW really do love to travel..I'm glad she have great friends whom she had known for a long time and whom she can be herself & spend time with.

 

I'm down for rewatching Empire of Gold! please join us @QSD and @yanki! when should we start @vaiduakhu? 

 

I agree as you grow older your view of the world will change as well..I used to zoned out/get bored with Empire of Gold before because of all the business talk but when i started working i suddenly realized how fascinating it is. The talks about stocks/ownership in Sungjin Group are just like Samsung Group in real life while the political issues in Night Light are somewhat inspired by the issues faced by the former SK lady president. 

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6 hours ago, yanki said:

Currently, I am re-watching Six Flying Dragons (which was also written by QSD's writers) it's one of the best drama I've ever seen. Although you can still see some glimpse of QSD with the way they write the story. Mishil was first mentioned in the series, later on Bidam, QSD and Yushin was mentioned as well.

 

Funny thing because in this drama it seems they answered one of the questions from QSD (about who will win if Bidam and Yushin fight) lol

 

 

Wait, who would win?! hehehe i think if it's one on one combat BD would win. YS won't be able to keep up with BD's speed. But if let's say on an open battlefield with soldiers on each side, i think YS would win given his experience and know-how in battles. 

 

 

11 hours ago, QSD said:

 

The yellow/white outfit is nice.

 

 

Looking good Ms temper 1st-marriage couple! I ship this couple equally with the soon-to-be-4th-marriage couple lol, too bad the guy messed up and they divorced  

 

LYW in that yellow/white outfit looks like a chaebol wife. I think this is a bias in me talking but how it is possible she looks younger and prettier in each photo shoot? Makes me jealous 

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6 hours ago, yanki said:

No. The Framed up thing happened before Bidam decided to attack Yeom.
QSD accepted Bidam and announced to everyone that she will be married to him. Bidam gave the books to Yushin later on and made an oath.
Yeom found out that Bidam gave the books to Yushin and decided to frame up Bidam to force him to take the throne.
The Chinese envoy came and Yeom gave them Bidam's feather fan.
QSD had a meeting with Yushin, Chunchu, Yonchun about the whole thing that's goind on. And they found out about the feather fan's message <<< This is when I thought why is Yushin not saying anything? Maybe it will help to clear out the suspicion if they know that Bidam gave them somthing very helpful. Bidam even went there to explain himself so he could've talked about the books.
 The Queen only asked him to leave later on after a failed assassination attempt to Chunchu, then Bidam asked Yushin to lend him soldiers to attack Yeom but we only saw Bidam attacking alone.

 

That's why I thought the writers were rushing the whole thing ahaha.

 

Ahw arraseoyo chingu..you're talking about the "fan incident". There were just too many ridiculous things BD's followers did that it's hard to keep up lol. So why did Yushin not say anything to clear out the suspicion? The answer may lie in their conversation after BD gave the book. YS earnestly asked BD why did he gave the book to him, BD just said to call it a bribe, to ensure he can count on YS in the future and hope that YS would use it well. YS then answered that no matter if there is any ulterior motive behind BD's action, he shall accept the bribe with utmost gratitude. 

 

YS may trust Bidam but his confidence in him is not same as it was before. Remember their camaraderie crumbled after BD framed him earlier, he now questions BD's action (whether they are pure or with ulterior motives). This is just speculation on my part..sure he believed him later on when Bidam came to explain but for a second there - during the meeting with the gang he had doubts (what if this is one of BD's schemes? He's not the same BD that he knows after all? But did he really know him well though? BD's capable of scheming, YS learned it the hard way..so what if his followers successfully swayed him to the dark side this time? It was not really shown how much YS know about BD and QSD's relationship. Mostly, they just show the two of them having their conversation/romance privately, so YS did not know how deep BD's feelings for QSD, deep enough for BD not to take the crown away at least at first. So he had doubts, he simply can't vouch for him without question this time.

 

But ultimately, if i were to answer that question honestly, my answer would be why would YS say something to defend/stand up for BD? YS is a frustratingly uptight and sincere man. But i believe he is not a saint to forgive BD easily just like that because he gave him a book (no matter how precious it is). He's a flawed human too. He'd been to hell and back because of BD. He was sent to Baekje as a spy then captured and sent back to prison again. They were demanding for his execution and though he was right about the Baekje attack, BD and his followers refused to release him to fight in the war up until the last moment when they have no choice left. He left for war, came back victorious only to find out BD's going to marry QSD. Disregarding his personal feelings (that is if there's still left) for the queen, the political implication of that marriage sure shook YS. Sure he save Silla and he's popular right now with the people but BD will be more powerful (please correct me if i'm wrong guys, i think YS doesn't know about BD's oath to the queen about relinquishing his power when QSD's gone, i think CC's the only one who knows coz QSD gave him that secret order to slay BD if he doesn't follow through with his promise) So assuming YS would have this selfish side of him. I think it's logical for him not to stand up for BD this time. 

 

I rewatched ep 59, BD went with Yantak to the cave to spy first then approached YS for the soldiers after, but I didn't saw him go to the cave again to attack coz the Qing boat happened after that, did i miss something? What episode did the attack happen?  

 

Sorry guys, did we bore you with QSD talk? Sorry chingus hehehe but It's kinda fun having this conversation with @yanki though we don't have same opinion but it's fun having someone you can trade talks with about the drama. People around me don't watch historical drama, they are more into romcom & makjang lol and QSD forum i think is not that active? lol i was just too late.

 

Man, i think it would be fun if we could rewatch together some of LYW's drama, if not then i can only hope our queen would pick a new drama soon then we can dissect and predict new episodes together.

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11 hours ago, QSD said:

With that said, I still would love to see her family photos if someone like her bodyguard Alcheon who “accidently” posted online for us to marvel.  Vaiduakhu, maybe you can lure Erin to post one for us

 

 

omo! he did?! when did it happen? do you still have that picture? did our majesty had a meltdown about it (lol just kidding) Alcheon-rang that's insubordination you know?! HAHAHA Alcheon's mistake made a lot of LYW's fan happy for sure.

 

8 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

Honestly, I have no clue what they were talking abt with CC, YS, BD and boat checking... 

@Bluebelle, @Yanki, when was the last time you re-watched QSD? 

 

Errr... how can I lure Erin to post photos ? 

Btw, did Erin show her face in LYW's IG live last year? I only heard her voice with nice English accent. 

I know detective fan by this way or that way can dig photos of LYW and her family (even photos of her sister, lol, her sister is very pretty). I was shown a bunch of photos before and amazed at how fan could find them. But I'm too lazy to go that far... so, I'm content with whatever LYW is pleased to share with the public. 

 

Nah, i wanted to rewatch the whole thing after rewatching some of Yudeok moments but i got sidetracked by Reply 1997. Basically i just skip through episode if i want to confirm some things.

 

I saw a copy of that IG live on youtube, Erin's already a big girl. It's cute when LYW asked her to translate what she's saying so international fans could understand a bit. I pray to kdrama gods everyday that our queen would grace us another IG live ft Erin again.  

 

Wow @vaiduakhu, you are pretty well connected!

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On 19/03/2018 at 12:27 PM, vaiduakhu said:

Man, I still feel amused at Kim Rae Won's story. He really jumped into Han River after breaking up with her? then, why broke up though? she initiated it?  *"Cold water" song is playing* 

Although thank to his story, we fan know a bit abt LYW's private life, it's a bit too personal to talk abt on broadcast without other party's consent, isn't it? 

 

10 hours ago, QSD said:

Reading his confession describing in details about the breakup, I’ll say it’s her who dumping him which led him jumping in the river for a cold bath.  I couldn’t believe he even got to talk with her for the first time in 11 years.  Not sure it’s really her though.  Sounds like a movie.

 

2 hours ago, yanki said:

I was surprised when I saw that article too, I never thought that there was a story like that about him. But even though it sounds romantic I also think he shouldn't have given so many clues, all of the clues were pointing at her. At that time I wondered why he did that... she's already married, not sure how I will feel if I were LYW's husband.

 

I agree it's too personal. I know its his story to tell but  he should at least refrained himself from giving out too many clues. LYW or not, that was def not a gentleman's move knowing his first love is already married and they run in the same industry. It's worse if it's really LYW coz I'm pretty sure he knows (well the whole industry knows) how protective she is of her private life.

 

2 hours ago, yanki said:

No I was talking about the time before Bidam started to join the rebels. He was being framed up by his followers and then he asked Yushin to lend him soldiers so he can attack the rebel's base. In front of Kim Chunchu and the QSD and the rest of her officials, he could've said something. They didn't show us the soldiers as well just Bidam alone going on the rebel's base.

 

As far as I know (hehehe i haven't rewatched QSD in full yet) QSD and her inner circle including Chunchu know BD was innocent that's why QSD told him to control/take care of his followers before they become more problematic. I think he borrowed soldiers from YS to attack YJ right? but then before he can even execute his plan, the whole boat-with-no-people-on-board and Chunchu's assassination attempt happened (the latter was the last straw that broke QSD's patience), the royal court had an upheaval, QSD ordered Chunchu's uncle to thoroughly investigate the case and kill those who made an attempt in CC's life. QSD and BD had a talk and she still believed in his innocence but she knows his followers were all behind those schemes. She knows there is no way BD will not be implicated it's his followers after all so she told BD to get out of the capital first, she'll resolve the problems then call him back afterwards.

 

QSD,CC,YS and Alcheon knows it's not BD that caused those problems but his followers. They believed him but will the other nobles specially those on CC's side believe him as well? Those ministers have their own agendas as well. It's their chance to finally get rid of BD and clear CC's path to the throne. QSD/YS/AL can defend him all they want but without solid proof of his innocence (IMO the message in the fan with BD's name & Qing's letter ruined his chances) BD's hands are tied up.  

 

*sorry if my English is bad/hard to understand, i'm not a native speaker 

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On 13/03/2018 at 10:01 AM, vaiduakhu said:

I think in other dramas, this happens too: the heroin and hero hated each other nut yesterday, and in the morning, they wake up finding they are madly in love with each other. Yudoek romance is kinda expected, it's typical Kromance theme. When I watched them bickering, irritating each other in DM's nangdo time, I foresaw there would be a romance line b/w them. 

 

The classic fought-like-cats-and-dogs type of relationship where they can't stand each other but eventually fall in love with each other  like in BOF, Reply 1997/1994,etc

 

On 13/03/2018 at 11:48 AM, QSD said:

Her first love isn’t an issue nor related. 

 

i mean not LYW's but kim rae won's. I heard after his interview it became an issue, netizens criticised him for giving out lots of clues pertaining to his first love.

 

On 13/03/2018 at 12:19 PM, QSD said:

Cell Bloom is opening a duty-free shop today at 2 PM local time in Shinsegae department store.  The queen will be there.

 

@QSD are you from korea? i'm amazed coz you are always updated.

 

On 14/03/2018 at 8:34 PM, vaiduakhu said:

 

I remember it's the book Muno gave BD before he died... it assisted the process of Three Kingdoms reunion. 

 

Those books were map compilations (very detailed with roads,mountains,rivers and all) of the three kingdoms (Episode 58). It could be  very helpful for creating military strategies.

 

On 16/03/2018 at 7:50 PM, yanki said:

I always wonder whatever happened to this book. Why didn't Yushin said anything to help Bidam during the time that he was being framed up. But I guess that was just the writers way to make Bidam rebel.

 

Yeah Bidam's love was that... Deokman became his world and became his only source of happiness, so I guess it was just really tragic love for him from the start. Depending your happiness on having someone's love doesn't always guarantee happiness.

I always feel that Emperor Togon from Empress Ki was a bi similar to Bidam, that I cannot help but think that if Bidam became a king and got Deokman, it will end up still painful for him because of his insecurity.

 

I think we could just assume that Yushin made the most out of those books and it helped them a lot in the unification, he must be really geeked out after receiving those being a military man himself.

 

There was nothing YS could do to save BD. Before they found out about Yeomjong's schemes, QSD (pressured by her ministers and fully believing BD's betrayal) already removed BD from his post, declared him an enemy of state and ordered his execution.  And though it was as a misunderstanding due to YJ's schemes (and partly Chunchu helped in cultivating doubt in BD's mind) the truth still remains that BD joined his supporters and instigated a rebellion therefore committing a mortal sin.

 

Well of course QSD can rescind the royal command if he surrenders (but i doubt the people and the nobles would let BD live even after surrendering) alas he didn't surrender but instead killed countless of soldiers (naturally they would think he's there to kill the Queen) just so he could go near QSD and call her "Deokman". What was the writer even thinking? I mean even if BD successfully call her "Deokman", he will have another crime under his name. Could he just maybe surrender (even if he'll be sentenced to die later on) so he could find a way to explain the misunderstanding to QSD? Asking for an audience might be impossible but he could still try or maybe explain it in a letter and then call her "Deokman" later on when there's just the two of them lol but they have to make it dramatic for the ratings so i guess BD will have to die the painful way. Even so, if QSD rescinds the royal command she could potentially lose the support and respect of her court and the people. There was really no way out for BD.

 

Empress Ki also made my heart ache, I'm a WangNyang shipper. I adore TalTal (he's like Empress Ki's version of Alcheon). And I agree, Togon was just like Bidam in his devotion for one woman but he 's a bit fortunate i think coz at least he became an emperor and he had Seung-nyang by his side (tho it's unclear whether she came to love him or not)

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On 17/03/2018 at 12:07 PM, QSD said:

@bluebelle05 

If you’re re-watching QSD, can you find out why Wolya is the last prince of Gaya when Yushin’s grandfather was a royal himself, according to Yanki?  Thanks.

 

 

20 hours ago, yanki said:

Yeah I was curious about that too. I never re-watched that part of Yushin and Wolya's talk so I don't know. The only thing I know was that Yushin told him "what your grandfather and my grandfather failed to do, let's make it come true". And the Bokya hated Yushin's family for betraying them.

 

@QSD @yanki

 

So after a bit of research, it turns out Gaya was a confederacy. The confederation consisted of six tribes/kingdoms (Geumgwan Gaya, Daegaya, Seongsan Gaya, Ara Gaya, Goryeong Gaya, and Sogaya)

 

Kim Yushin was from Geumgwan Gaya. His great-grandfather is Guhyeong (also called Guhae- the last ruler of Geumgwan Gaya) Faced with an onslaught of Silla forces, King Guhyeong chose to surrender freely, and brought his family and his treasures to Silla. He was received with ceremony and his family were admitted to the second-highest rank of the Silla bone rank system, the "true bone." The king was given the rank of Sangdaedeung (Bidam/Alcheon's post). Kim Guhyeong/Guhae -> Kim Muduk/Muryeok (3rd Son) -> Kim Seohyeon (2nd Son) -> Kim Yushin  

 

Wolya is from Daegaya. He's the eldest son of Crown Prince Wolgwang. These are from Episode 26:

The six kings of the six Gaya Kingdoms refused to cooperate. Even after Gaya fell, Geumgwan Gaya, Daegaya refugees fought amongst themselves. - Yushin

You Geumgwan Gaya rolled over for Silla while we Daegaya fought to the last man. - Seolji

I'm the last heir of Daegaya, Crown Prince Wolgwang's eldest son, Wolya. - Wolya

I'm buying your allegiance. What your father, Wolgwang of Daegaya and Guhae, the last king of Geumgwan Gaya couldn't do, we can do here today. - Yushin
 

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Guhae+of+Geumgwan+Gaya&item_type=topic

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Gim+Mu-ryeok&uid=1575

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Kim+Yu-sin&item_type=topic

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Gaya+confederacy&item_type=topic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaya_confederacy

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On 11/03/2018 at 7:10 PM, yanki said:

BTW Do you ship her with someone in ASC? Just curious, maybe we are on the same ship hehe.

 

I feel so guilty, I can't help to ship Jung-Hye with Soo-Gyum hehe maybe i got blinded by his abs early on, during the pool scene in his first night as a rich son lol. It doesn't help that LYW looks too young to be his mom. Idk for me, there's chemistry every time the two are together in a scene. But really I'm fine with Jung Hye not having a proper ship in ASC as long as she's with the ajummas. Now that's the ship whose journey i don't want to end.

 

On 12/03/2018 at 1:18 AM, unimee said:

I like LYW's acting in the Empire of Gold she was really amazing in that one. I don't like her character in ASC hat much since I am not into cutesy type.

 

This is the drama that made me stan LYW. I watched QSD and 49 days prior to EG but i was just a casual fan then. She's so good in this drama. Choi Seo-Yoon is brilliant and scary at the same time. Her morals towards the end are questionable but she must do it to survive. She's always getting attacked that you can't help to root for her. 

 

15 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

I remember I read or watched somewhere that there was a King, whenever he touched and rotated the royal ring around his finger, someone were gonna get killed. Royal ring also had personal meaning, they only exchanged it with outside ppl when they were engaged or got married to them or as a promise to get married with them.

 

For me, the messages they wanna conveyed during DM's death scene (the ring and her words) are personal to her and only her; and not related to any man (YS, BD...). The next scene (meeting young DM) confirms that. It's all about her choice b/w devotion all her life to Silla and a normal life of a woman. The ring in last scene, for me, is like a metaphor of royal power: in the end, she had power but couldn't pursuit her own happiness (with YS, BD or any other man).

Btw, the ring didn't fit her finger, does it have any meaning? lol... why I find any single detail in QSD is suspicious? the drama is indeed epic. Nearly 10 years passing, and we still find things to discuss about and learn sth new; and also unanswered questions. 

 

PS: I think there is absolutely no problem to discuss QSD in this thread. It's LYW's work, why not... I'm excited to new knowledge which you guys share abt this drama. 

 

Why does rotating a ring remind of the antagonist from You from Another Star. Hehehe. Every time he rotates his ring, he's plotting to kill someone.

I agree with your analysis @vaiduakhu, it's not about who she really loves (YS or BD) but a metaphor of  the life she chose. Gaining power (throne) but sacrificing her own personal happiness (losing both YS' love-her last words and BD's love-the ring). She made peace with it in the end when she told young DM that she'll lose those she love and be so very lonely. That it will seem like she have everything and yet she'll will have nothing. But still young DM must go on and endure it to the end.

 

13 hours ago, QSD said:

Honestly I don’t think Deokman has fallen in love with Bidam (yet).  She’s mostly feeling sorry for him in the last scene in which there’s nothing can be stopped from that happening.  I have doubt she would abdicate the throne for him if she didn’t know her days are coming to an end.

 

 

This. And she made a secret covenant with Chunchu too, to slay BD if he won't abide by his promise to leave his position and power after she dies. This echoes with the covenant made by the her great grandfather, the late king to slay Mishil.

 

6 hours ago, yanki said:

Yeah, QSD is one of those traditional Sageuks and back then they mostly focus on the lead character story and the palace life, focusing on romance without ruining the story will be hard. So the writers probably just wanted to focus on Deokman's life and as a Queen but had to change it because lots of characters became popular. Maybe they wanted her to move on from Yushin and focus on her love for Silla or probably wanted to keep her feelings mystery, that viewers will wonder whether she fell for anyone or not (Similar to the one they did with Queen Elizabeth 1) but they had to change it still wonder what LYW might be feeling during those times, not just her but UTW too.

 

Speaking of UTW :-o I was shocked to see that he actually got into scandal. with this recent news about GHJ, that makes them three now. Lee Seungho (Alcheon), UTW (Yushin) and GYJ, although LYW also got into some news so if we can include hers, the only one remaining was KNG hahah.

 

 

LYW was surprised as well. About the ending, she said, “It was different that what I thought it would be. I thought it would end on a political note, but it became about Bi-dam’s love." It's from dramabeans (http://www.dramabeans.com/2009/12/queen-seon-deok-ends-with-episode-62/)

 

I don't actively follow other celebrities. It's more of I like your character (not the actor/actress) in this drama and I move on (except for LYW, Kim Soo-hyun and Gdragon for kpop) that's why I'm shocked about LSH this is my first time hearing this, could it be the reason why I haven't seen him in a lead role? I know a little about the cases of UTW, GHJ and the actor who played the king as it's all over the news and I stalked Allkpop and Soompi frequently. But I'm a bit confuse with LYW (sorry I'm new) was it about the interview a few years ago? The one where she refused to answer questions bout her family? I think it's her prerogative she's just protecting her husband and child. Or the birth tour? It's also her life she can choose wherever she wants to give birth for privacy and security purposes lol or is it about the first love issue?

 

6 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

I hope LYW can stay far away from all dark and nasty secrets in Kbiz. 

 

This. Thank God she married early and I heard her husband come from an affluent family (money=power) so abusive actors will think twice first or they will have to face Mr Park's wrath lol. But in all seriousness, #Metoo movement in korea exposes dirty secrets/abusive actions i don't want any actresses/actors to have the misfortune to experience . Apparently it's not all sunshine and daises in kdramaland.

 

1 hour ago, yanki said:

P.S.

What does this mean? something to do with Cell Bloom?

 

I don't understand what it says. Please can someone with a kind soul explain/translate?

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My favorite Bideok moment is when QSD was still a princess. It was when BD in all his brooding glory rescued DM during Mishil's rebellion. I admit he was so cool back then with arrows, sword and everything, wish he never met Yeomjong. But when DM became queen everything changed. Was it because she's the queen and must be bound by strict codes/standards at all times? They all became so rigid, all the smiles were gone even Bidam's and Godo's lol.

 

5 hours ago, yanki said:

I like the scene when he put on make up and beg the King to investigate Cheonmyeong's death. Then when he kneeled in front of Deokman as his master. I like that scene.

And the ending scene in front of her tomb, that was touching.... protecting her until the end.

 

This is my favorite Aldeok moment as well. Losing CM was Alcheon's greatest regret as a hwarang, it broke him but after that moment with DM it was as if a new man was born. 

 

2 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

 

Frankly, because of above scenes, Yudoek ship is more convincing to me (sorry Yanki ), but still not enough for me to ship Yudoek though. 

At least, DM had or used to have romantic interest in YS and confessed or showed it. But for Bidoek, in my humble opinion, it's more like BD's one-sided love towards her, and she felt touched and gave in in the end. 

Because it's long time ago I don't remember a lot of what local fan said, I remember Yudoek shippers shoved above scenes as strong evidences to Bidoek shippers, and said that when DM agreed to get married to BD, it was because of Silla, she wanted to comfort BD's side and balanced 2 strongest forces (BD and YS's side). 

 

For me it seems that Yudeok appears to be more convincing because they were in the story for so long, we watched how they grow from the bickering then falling in love then eventually settling into whatever they have towards the ending. Their story was beautifully laid, they were given a proper treatment.

 

While Bideok's ship started to sail towards the latter part of the drama maybe the writers ran out of ideas/time to flesh out their love story and we were given flashbacks instead. The romantic scenes became rushed that when QSD confessed that she liked BD too i was taken aback by the suddenness i need to go back to their scenes to comprehend how did it happen lol. But in all honesty I was okay with Bideok back then coz BD was so earnest in his devotion and the queen was getting weak and dying she at least could live the rest of her days as a woman that is until BD & his followers started plotting against YS (sorry i was too invested in YS at that time to tolerate their behavior HAHAHA) 

 

Even QSD was confused as well:

"Looking back,I wonder whether the only reason why I so suddenly grew to like him was to appropriate  those nobles of their troops. Whether I only married him so that his rise to power could be halted, is something I cannot be sure about."

and then afterwards QSD said that "But my desire to abdicate the throne and quietly spend my final days with him,was sincere." So she did like BD, though I'm not sure what is it that she liked more is it Bidam or the idea of having someone by her side in her final days..I guess it's a little bit of both.

 

2 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

Btw, the ending scene (DM's death scene) is one of my must-rewatching scenes in QSD. I always wonder why DM said "We once tried to escape, didn't we? Remember? Shall we do it now?"  ? it's because at a point, she regretted her decision to sacrifice her own happiness for the nation? Or it was a metaphor that she knew it was her time to leave the world, she was free to do whatever she wanna do: no Silla, no responsibility.

It's a heart-wrecking scene, and the scene after that (QSD met young DM) is like an explanation that if DM could choose her path again, she still choose Silla over everything. But still, it can't comfort me... 

 

 

Idk i'm not too sure, as much as my Yudeok heart wants to feel/think that QSD regretted not running away with YS but i think it's more of the latter rather than the former. Maybe in her dreamlike state QSD (being an intellectual that she is) is pondering all the what-ifs and it-could-have-beens. Pondering but not regretting. Coz agreed, after that scene with young deokman there is never a doubt that if DM could choose her path again, she still choose Silla over everything no matter how hard and lonely it is. 

 

1 hour ago, yanki said:

there was a time when I too thought, "why did Deokman said that to Yushin before she died and why did the writer showed her ring?"
 

Back then (a)Kings give rings to their Queen, usually it's gold with dragon sign. (b)Sometimes they give rings to their favorite subject as a recognition for their service (c) Rings also symbolizes as being one, so it's normal to use rings as something like ID.

 

When the camera show the ring on her fingers before her death. Then it mostly has to do with that culture, of the woman keeping the ring with her while waiting for the day that she can reunite with her lover again.

Of course no one really know what the real custom was for the old Silla but it was a custom that was part of the old Korean tradition as well so it's amazing that the writers put it in there.

 

P.S.

Is it really okay to talk about QSD in this thread? won't the thread be in trouble?

 

See this is what made QSD a genuinely great drama, it has so many layers, it encourages discussion, it made us think. I learned something new today and you'll bet i'll be very careful in giving out rings in the near future lol. This is all the writers' fault, they trolled us hard..after 8 long years we still could not get over the drama's ending, how could they toy our feelings like that lol.

 

Hope we'll not get in trouble..Anyway, I'm thinking of watching HD? is it worth it? or should i save myself from disappointment? coz I've heard our queen LWY's role in there was not as much compared to the male lead? 

[♥ Lee Yo Won 이요원 ♥]

6 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

The most memorable Yudoek's scene

 

Man, where do I begin? 

 

1) The cave scene wonderfully explained by Yanki (omg you explained this so well, are you sure you are a bideok shipper?!)

 

6 hours ago, yanki said:

Oh the most memorable Yudeok scene for me was when he said "I Choose You!" to Deokman. I really love that scene and the way Uhm Tae Wong delivered that line was so good. IMHO Deokman fell for Yushin at that time, because that time she just found out that she was a princess. Her parents choose to protect the throne over her, they choose her twin to stay in the palace and abandon her and even after finding out that their daughter is still alive they again choose to protect the throne over her and even willing to kill her. Yushin's father also agreed to it for their own gain.  So I really love that scene where she was telling him all of it and telling Yushin of great things that he will miss by helping her but Yushin told her that out of all those choices he choose her instead.

I still think of that scene as one of my favorites in all drama.

 

2) The last hug at the gaya camp - when DM decided to chose the path of becoming a ruler, she also decided to stop seeing YS for she's afraid her heart would waver that she'll give up everything and go ahead with their plan to run away together. YS then decided to serve her as a ruler instead of loving him as a woman so as not to shake DM's resolve. "I chose you but you choose to become a ruler" that last hug was so heartbreaking.   

 

3) DM tending to YS's wounds after the Pungwolju tournament -  ohh the thrill of YS-DM-BD love triangle becoming more evident

 

4) YS getting married - i just love the angst that comes with it lol

 

5) QSD saved YS from BD's machinations - coz QSD's trust with YS never wavered even after all the accusations thrown in Yushin's way

 

6) When YS and QSD talked after royal nuptial announcement. YS congratulates QSD and then apologized for not being the "one" who can provide the console and solace she needs. It must have been a real bummer coming back victorious from the war then finding out the love of your life is getting married to your greatest rival. Nevertheless, YS man up, accepts their wretched faith (too dramatic am i?) and sincerely asked BD to give his all for QSD. That's real love right there. 

 

7) The final scene of YS and QSD in the cliff - In her dying moments QSD thank YS for remaining by her side after all those years. It was a sad but beautiful moment. "We walked along that arduous path together. And it was only possible because it was you. We once tried to escape, didn't we? Remember? Shall we do it now?" ommf i can't breathe.
 

It's been years and my memories about the details are becoming hazy but I still feel kind of sad thinking about the ending. Skipping through episodes searching for yudeok moments makes me miss QSD, i guess i'll be rewatching this series again for the next couple of days lol

 

So how about your most memorable Bideok and Aldeok scene? 

 

[♥ Lee Yo Won 이요원 ♥]

6 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

Great, finally, I live long enough to see a Yudoek in this thread. *whisper* sorry for saying Yushin is boring previously, I'd like to extract that statement  .

 

HAHAHA it seems like I'm the only one who braved boarding the Yudeok ship. No worries @vaiduakhu Yushin is too uptight and stubborn so he comes of as kind of boring that I sometimes find myself being frustrated lol

 

Bidam is quite an interesting and layered character and those sad tortured puppy eyes he's giving QSD nearly made me want to jump ship, too bad he got swayed by his minions to orchestrate a plan to frame YS as traitor (was it because of the Gaya movement?) that made me come to my senses 

 

Alcheon is quite faithful it made me think his love for QSD is more than that of a servant to his queen. That last part where he's visiting the tomb and paying respect to the queen when he's already retired, old and wrinkly warms my heart.

 

These three are ideal in their own way i guess i just prefer Yushin's kind of devotion than that of Bidam's (kinda scared with his all-consuming love ) or than  Alcheon's unrequited love  (he should have made a move when the queen's still alive) 

 

6 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

The most memorable Yudoek's scene for me is when he pushed DM out of the palace gate and closed the gate to block Misil's ppl. I think it's not only because she was his Queen and she needed to be safe for the sake of the country, but also because he still loved her. 

 

Please don't get me started on how DM screamed hysterically as if her life depends on it in this scene after she realized YS is sacrificing himself for her and Chunchu.

 

6 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

Yanki (a super hardcore Bidoek shipper) must be happy because she will have good time giving evidences why OTP should be Bidoek, haha. 

I'm an Aldoek shipper btw, and in local page before, no one bothered to fight with me, but tell you, it's like World War III b/w Bidoek shippers and Yudoek shippers, no kidding. I enjoyed that fight very much though, they wrote long essays to prove why their ship should be OTP. 

 

I wish I've seen the discussion, it must have been interesting. I like hearing different opinions because it sheds a new light to a character that when I watch again a drama I'll see that side of the character I didn't see for the first time, the motive/intentions behind his actions and kind of understand where he is coming from and why he ended up doing the things he did.

 

Anyway, Yudeok/Bideok/Aldeok shippers were all aboard a doomed ship anyway because in the end she didn't end up with anyone lol. No one really "owned" her and she wasn't able to fully devote herself to anyone because of the crown. Shilla ends up winning. Shideok is the last ship floating (Shilla+Deokman). 

[♥ Lee Yo Won 이요원 ♥]

5 hours ago, QSD said:

@bluebelle05

 

Hi, welcome to the heavenly kingdom of fandom, where we can bear through the queen’s months of absence while she is on vacation.  Glad you can join in.  Hope to see you frequently.  I do believe she would come back by the second half of the year.  Hang on there.

 

omg LYW must have heard our prayers, we are just discussing how she seldom updates her insta and boom she uploaded pictures just hours ago albeit promotional ones, but i’m not picky i’ll take whatever update she throws our way lol. She’s so gorgeous in those outfits but as usual i can’t afford even a single one of them.

 

I hope she’ll choose romcom next time. Ever since QSD up until ASC she always ended up alone (except for ms temper but it’s an open-ended one so i’m not so sure and i still haven’t seen HD) Well our queen rocks the strong-intelligent-independent-woman character who doesn’t need a man to succeed & be happy and her characters seemed alone but contented but still idk i just want her to end up with someone this time around, i’m not being too greedy am i? lol

 

1 hour ago, vaiduakhu said:

 

Submarine is comfortable, but this thread has lot of fun, with lovely members (LOL, I'm not lovely; QSD,Yanki and others are), so come on, join us!  

 

I have a question: did YS fall in love with DM after he knew she was a girl? (man, this sounds creepy because you know, how he discovered it... ). I mean, he could kick her out of his team, because she lied to him abt her true gender; but he kept it a secret, even from Cheomyung, who introduced DM to him. Thinking again, he was so sneaky, lol...

 

 thank you! and this thread is respectful & not toxic because everyone is being kind and lovely.

 

I’m a yudeok shipper (i also love bidam and alcheon but i’m loyal to a fault so i can’t bring myself to jump to other ships even after that wedding fiasco lol) and it’s been years so i can’t clearly remember but i think YS started to have feelings after he found out DM was a girl (i mean i can’t blame him if he couldn’t resist DM after that bath scene) He couldn’t bear to kick DM out so at least YS must have started to like DM then (well they are always biting each other’s head and fighting like cats & dogs and in most kdrama those characters eventually fall for each other lol) but what really made his feelings obvious was his reaction during the 1st war, when he thought DM must’ve died and he ran like a lunatic frantically searching for DM in that swamp. 

[♥ Lee Yo Won 이요원 ♥]

10 hours ago, vaiduakhu said:

Hello and welcome! Nice that our spamming encourages you to come out from the submarine.  

Hope to see you around here often and join our discussion,... nah, more like our talkativeness. lol

 

Sth unbearable happens to me at work recently, so I just come here whenever I have a bit free time to be temporarily relaxed. 

 

thank you!! i’m pretty comfortable in my submarine

but this thread seems fun that i can’t resist to join in

 

hang in there vaiduakhu! whenever im down i watch LYW’s more upbeat dramas like Ms temper and avengers social club, never fails to uplift me.

 

8 hours ago, yanki said:

And yeah it's so hard not to have any news. I am amazed this thread last that long even though the rarely get updates from LYW and she often go on hiatus after her drama. Glad she made an IG account though.

 

i think il just have to accept the fact that LYW is a reclusive queen lol Im pleasantly surprised when she did ms temper,night light and ASC so close to each other, can we expect another drama this second half of 2018?

[♥ Lee Yo Won 이요원 ♥]

He’s Cartan ajusshi. I also think deokman had a little crush on him. 

 

Hi guys, I’ve been a silent lurker and finally made an account now. Thank you for the updates, it’s a little hard stanning this queen coz the info draught is real but ottoke i became a stan and there’s no turning back now. She barely updates her insta save for a few ig stories unlike other actresses/idols but thank you for keeping this thread alive and make things bearable lol. You guys rock!