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14 minutes ago, dustdevil said:
The real Wang Wook married Queen Seounui, who was another daughter of Taejo by yet another wife/consort/queen. (Wiki says that she carried her mother's surname Yu, which means that her mother was probably from the same family as So's mother, our evil queen.) They may not show Wook's marriage in this version. Since his son became a king, I don't know that they'll kill him off, but then "Shine or Go Crazy" sent their Wook off to travel the world, so who knows.
Their customs and traditions in the old days...well..maybe they have their reasons valid or not...acceptable or not.....for marrying their blood relations. But somehow it answered something that I have been so curious about for the longest time now...
SpoilerI have noticed even before that a lot of people in Korea (at present time) eventhough not related to each other...LOOK SO MUCH ALIKE....there are even celebrities that can even pass of as TWINS....same facial features, common features ...exactly the same. And that is maybe because they share very common genes from that practice of marrying their blood relations centuries ago.
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This BTS Kiss though.....
What was that LJK-ssi ? Again ? Again? what do you want to repeat again?
And Lee Ji Eun !!! y-aaahhh the scene says you fight off his kisses....why were you kissing back waHHAHAHA...weh? weh?
These two... i cannot > < LOL.
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I cannot recall quite specifically...but i think the passage in the cave was blocked so that WW and HS can no longer meet there...though not so sure on this...
But yeah that passage and...water might hold the key on how HS will be transported back to her time....
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Okey, so as it is written in history WS will marry YH.
Well I do not know what kind of a person is the real YH of Goryeo 10th Century..
But the YH in this drama is a wicked, evil person.
Her fate should not be getting to marry the coolest Prince of them all and live happily ever after.
She should be thrown to the cliff or get eaten by some vicious animal in the forest...that kinda fate is more for her.
She does not get punished ever ?? and just like that, she will live as his queen...where is the RETRIBUTION in that?
For every bad deed, there should be an equalizer....a balancing force...in this world.
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8 minutes ago, Akiddo said:
The part that got me was his parting words - "chansoori" (nagging). They were trying to keep the conversation light just like they used to be. It was barely a whisper from So. That was all he could muster before tearing himself away from her.
LJK is so brilliant in this scene...
The raw emotions of WS here....it's like, it is taking all his will power to control his emotions - his worries, frustrations, anger, for what HS is going through. You can see the struggle in his eyes, and voice...gosh he's tugging at my heart strings...i wanted to embrace them both in this scene.
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Thanks for that info...
Yeah, Wook's character is depicted in "contradictions"...gentle one moment...creepy the next.The way he killed that woman and yes that bandit in the forest...is unsettling...
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Episode 10 & 11
Both episodes had to watch in Eng sub....
Now can I just scream first...y-aaahhhhhhhh!!!
Whew...okey ... my heart was being broken into many pieces.• MOST CRYING FEST SCENE
That moment when HS just want to run away with Lady Oh, they were in the cave and she just desperately want to get away from all these injustice, all this cruelty.
These two made me cry ...how could they ? It was so sad, so heartbreaking. this is just too much.
• ASIDE FROM WANG SO, LADY OH IS ALSO THE HERO OF THIS EPISODE
This woman is incredible, the actress and the character. Poor Lady Oh, i just realized how sad and tragic her life was in this episode. She has taken HS in her wings because for her she is that "child" that she had lost years back...
That poison given to her by that evil Queen Yoo to make her lose her baby had also affected her stomach... which led to her illness and she never recovered from it.
• IN YOUR FACE WANG WOOK
Hah! Lady Oh's words here were so on-point, like a slap to Wook, like a hard kick to his gut.
Yes ....Sorry Wook but I have to say this too, you have no balls
Did they shrink into oblivion?
• YH THE EVIL SISTER
This scheming witch is a Queen Yoo in the making. And Wook is so weak to be intimidated by her threats and provocations.
QUESTION though......WHY did Wook had to kill that lady servant??? that was really disturbing... he ruthlessly killed the woman in cold blood, a defenseless lady servant (which WS has never, ever done - and he is depicted to be the cruel one huh? how ironic)• THE CROWN PRINCE
I really like the crown prince until now, he is more wise, more human, than his father, the King.
Well i do not want to sound disrespectful - but in this story I realized that a man became a King not because he is honorable, wise, intelligent, discerning, and a good ruler - because none of those is that King - so I was wondering how did this man became "the King" anyway??? - when that Evil Queen Yoo can easily manipulate him under her fingers.• DISCRIMINATION
Another disturbing fact (in the story) is how women (if they are not royalty) are all treated like trash. That is just REPULSIVE...and offensive.
And seriously that noose (the rope they used for the execution) had to be PINK ?? seriously, how insulting!
• WILL WANG SO LOSE HIS FANS TOO ?
Many said that Wook lost much of his supporters/fans after this episode...for obvious reasons...so they abandoned ship...left Team Wook already.
What do you think on that future episode...when Wang So will marry the brat princess YH... I wonder how the fans of Team So would take that in?
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I seemed to have misunderstood that Ep 11 would be fun? not after all this torture, blood, tragedy...
Poor HS, not only because of the torture, but but because of Lady Oh's execution....after Lady Hae whom HS also dearly loved. now Lady Oh...that is just too much.
I thought HS will be depicted as a spirited, strong, optimistic bubbly character. Now they have broken her spirit. Always that sadness, i am going to miss her smiles.
Be careful with what you wish for indeed...she wanted to escape heartbreak and debts in her 21st Century life.... only to be transported in this barbaric era.
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Wow photo of the BTS of the OTP kiss.... would they be releasing the video though? maybe not allowed ?
The very "first" kiss scene that IU did (in a previous drama), it was her very first.....we've been waiting for its BTS hahaha...but it was never shown or have i missed it.?
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FROM ANOTHER CENTURY........
Gwangjong of GoryeoReign : 949 - 975
This period is the 10th Century (901 to 1000)
And HJ (HS) is from the 21st Century
Whoa..... it says that the capital of Goryeo is "Gaegyeong" a city in the southern part of "North Korea"
So Goryeo dynasty = was in North Korea ?????????
ANYWAY, even as a student i am not much into world History because i cannot memorize all those year periods, era, kings and emperors, and world leaders.
THOU SHALL NOT KILL
Okey I am sure Korea has lots of Museums, keeping safe artifacts, parchments scrolls from ancient times.
Much was said about Gwangjong, how a terror, ruthless king he was.
But how much exactly is proven with actual historical documents - from way back that 10th century?
Parchments /scrolls that are kept intact? how about natural disasters, and fire, and war...could it be that some were destroyed already...So how exactly are stories of this king's controversial conquests passed on from one generation to another? word-of-mouth that could have been more and more sensationalized or later on thru biopics with some distorted or added facts? how much are factual and how much are fiction? who knows....it was so long ago. They just said he was bad, he did this, he did that.
It is cool that MLSHR introduces Gwangjong's life story to the generation of today, and the production claims a "creative license to history" - but i sincerely hope they would not make his reputation more worst than what actually he really was as a ruler in his times, because just to sensationalize the story in that way is not cool. It wouldn't be fair to him, his memory, even if he was like that as a ruler, he was still once a king of Korea. It is like a disrespectful thing to do...in my opinion.
DURING THOSE TIMES when they did not know what HUMAN RIGHTS are...it's a kill or be killed world.
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15 minutes ago, skxz said:
KANG HA NEUL WHY ARE YOU SO CUTE WHY?!??! MY FEELS CANNOT BE CONTAINED OMG.
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Hahha i know right
and KHN is so touchy with IU..... and if you watch closely the BTS...amidst all the other actors around, his eyes always focus on her...no matter how far she is standing from him...he will just glance only at her...HAHA...this guy...and his feels..
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KDRAMA...... of Complexities & Contradictions
Chingus.. I admire Korea, it is such a beautiful country. I'm also fascinated with the language, and culture.
I respect the Korean people (as well as all the other nationalities)......BUT FOR THE LIFE OF ME....up to now after all the Kdrama I have watched - I STILL DO NOT GET THE KOREAN AUDIENCE, their mind-set, their preference.SpoilerOf course I am not an authority in drama review, but in some way I could also say that my standards in choosing what to watch is kinda high too...for before getting hooked with Kdrama, the type of shows that I used to watch and still watch (are House, Bones, The Practice) because i want shows that would make me think and are not predictable.
The Local (Korean) Audience x International Global AudienceIT HAPPENED SO MANY TIMES - That a Kdrama which the global audience rates as excellent and has a solid storyline - is a resounding flop with its own Korean audience. Sometimes making me doubt my standards of what is a good drama and what is not.
And so amazing that the Korean audience gang up, in solidarity in what they will support and what they will not support...THEIR UNITY IN THEIR DECISION is so great really as it becomes the majority's mind-set.... HOW AMAZING IS THAT!!!??? huh.Just like what they did now to MLSHR... so sad.
I have watched some sageuk before... but MLSHR is the very first sageuk that made me fascinated with its TV cinematography if I may call it that. The location is amazing, the angles, the texture is amazing. Excellent production...excellent.
That scene when WS was galloping on his horse on the hill, and the eclipse in the background - that was just brilliant for a TV show really, and also that walk in the snow by HS and WK - it's magical.And also this beautiful garden place - it's like from a fairytale, on how beautifully the trees and greens are reflected on the river) i couldn't even believe that it's real...making us global audience realize HOW KOREA IS SUCH A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.... and yet its own local audience do not even appreciate it.
The ACTORS - are also fine with me, each has his/her own kind of brilliance in acting out their roles.
Even the sound-tracks are okey, i don't dwell much on that.
A little frustrated (just a little ...HAHHA) on the character flaws of about two of the characters (not the actors, just the character they are playing)...but again it's still bearable HAHA
On the plot, well nothing much can be done right ? as it is adapted from an original Cnovel.
I think whoever originally owns the story has a say on how much the adaptation can divert from the original plot.So overall it's excellent...i just hope the Korean audience give it a chance, give it some love.
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46 minutes ago, arabela said:
I hope the korean writernim and korean gods love 4th price character and wont be so cruel with him! and wont give him such a realistic and pesimistic ending! But keep the beauty of their love!!! ... And, if there is no way to have a minimal happy ending, or an open one at least, just let him be with her when she dies!!!! I feel you can do it!!!
Regarding this ...if there's a possibility that they do not favor the 4th prince character.....THEN WHO IS THE LEAD OF THIS DRAMA then?
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9 hours ago, brielover said:
We need to remember what Su's imperative is for being in Goryeo in the first place.
"Save the boy."
That little boy's name was Eun Wol in modern Korea (his relatives call out to him by name). Su dives in to save him, the eclipse begins, time shifts, and she emerges from the water to find another Eun this time in Goryeo. A Eun that acts much younger than his age - a defining feature - to highlight his connection to that little boy in Korea. People blame Baekhyun for overacting, and he does, but he has also been directed to act in just this way.
This helps explain to me why Eun gets so much more screentime relative to the other princes.
Eun Wol - the little boy in Korea - is likely a reincarnation of Eun, 10th prince of Goryeo.
And Su's imperative remains.
"Save the boy".
Doesn't this give much more impact - and horror - to the vision she just saw? She's been catapaulted to Goryeo perhaps for a variety of reasons (see my river-daughter post p 516 if you're interested in some mythical/historical possibilities), but her main and most immediate imperative is to save Eun.
Wow you are amazing to spot that detail.
I never took much notice of who that little boy was at the lake....because i thought it was just some random accident.But indeed IT IS NOT A MERE COINCIDENCE ..right ? that the boy and the 10th Prince have the same name "Eun"
I also wondered that Eun is not the youngest prince...but he is the most childish... (still playing with marbles, with puppets)..i often mistake it that he is the youngest of them all. And now he will be in danger.
That's gonna be a game changer....if indeed the main reason of her time-travel is actually Eun...
Atleast now, there seems to be a purpose....As I had to re-watch the early part of Episode 1, Ha Jin (HS) has already been showing the symptoms of panic attack disorder in that episode...she seem to have difficulty in breathing and was pounding at her chest before she saw that little boy Eun fall in the lake.
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11 hours ago, dancingbee said:
Wang Wook said that touching a Prince's face might get her killed...
Why touching a Prince's face is a crime??LMAO... wHAHHAHA...
with them you can never tell...they declare rules like that in a whim ..for whatever...whenever...this Goryeo...i cannot really!
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That picture book WW gave HS is just adorable.
It's like moving pages from a Disney movie about a prince ♥ princess
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Comments and criticisms on HS character is inevitable...this is a forum after all and everyone's free to post on their take on it.
For me it's not really about whom she chooses.... whether she care for WW or WS .... (why was she brought there in the first place anyway, was it because of WW or WS? ) well heck, if I'd have my way, I'd just transport her back to the present time, and be free of all these madness that SHE DOES NOT NEED.
What I want to see in a character is someone who would not BLURT OUT PROMISES SO EASILY, THEN JUST EASILY BREAK THEM... someone who would NOT selfishly protect a person over and at THE EXPENSE OR DETRIMENT of another, who is also a friend... It's not all about just love ...or loving someone, it is also about conviction, accountability, of respect and integrity and being compassionate to a fellow human being.
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SHE TIME-TRAVELED FOR NOTHING ?
I hope not...Ha Jin from the present was transported back a thousand years to Goryeo (as HS).
Present time with rotten life left behind......for a different place, better life?...HAH ! think again...it's more like..FOR MORE HARDSHIPS TO COME Ha Jin (drama gods are sinister that way you know).
Met and befriended Princes who have power struggles, emotional baggage, family issues, and beastmode streaks. With life-threats and dangers to boot.Who's behind it? Why her ? Does she have a very, very important mission? A world-changing, earth-shaking role to fulfill?
Is it just to introduce a cosmetic and soap line in all of Goryeo? ...duh
Well she has crossed a thousand years only to be continuously told "YOU MUST NOT, AND CANNOT CHANGE ANYTHING HERE" No, no, no ....as JM said to her, as well as Lady Oh warned her.So why was she brought there in the first place ? just for kicks ? her fate trolling her?
Even giving her some psychic power which is more of a detriment than an asset.
If she were not there = Gwangjong is still a baddie
When she is there = Gwangjong is still a baddie
NOT MUCH OPTIONS RIGHT? The outcome is still the same anyway.....so why? why? what is this all for?
She's just there for entertainment ? for diversion, to please Princes
who have bruised egos, emotional or physical scar ?
Or can she just be brave enough just one time to just do something, since she seemed trapped there anyway, with a damn -if -you- do, damn -if -you- don't situation.
Maybe just maybe this could be the equation............
If Gwangjong (WS) had not known her = he'd turned into a 100% baddie
Now with her in his life AND IF SHE CHOOSE TO ACT ON IT = he'd just be 50% baddie.... well that could be considerably less right..... if not a total change.PROBABLY THERE IS A WAY AROUND IT..........
ONE CANNOT CHANGE A PERSON, ONE CANNOT CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORYBUT SHE CAN BE A FRIEND.. A CONFIDANT....A LOVE for someone who "desperately" needs her.
If she stands by WS, and be his refuge...maybe just maybe some of his darkness will be dispelled.
Instead of frantically warning all the brothers that might get hurt, why not bring peace and love to WS first and how he evolve from there is up to him.
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1 minute ago, fuyukoneko said:
The 14th Prince is the one who said Ruoxi caused the bloodshed between 4th and 8th, but I thought that was an unfair accusation. Both 4th and 8th had ambitions to become king long before they met Ruoxi.
The Princes there have hang-ups and unstable as well... these royalties and their madness...geez
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That HOT, HOT Kiss though....
Okey admittedly the level of hotness was unexpected ( LJK actually kissed IU full on the mouth ...and they had film two versions of it?...wowz!!!! ha ha )...when some OTPs just kiss like robots...you know just kissing the upper lip or the lower lip and pretend they seem to like it LOL.
But this kiss...was...oh wow... he was quite devouring her lips
(for sure the boyfie in real life is not gonna watch that scene....no ..no ...no ..no way ...HAHA)...i'm so bad.
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2 minutes ago, liddi said:
@ruzikie @berny In BBJX, Ruoxi always knew from history that 4th Prince will ascend to the throne, so there was no shocked revelation on her part from the start. Instead, she took great pains, first to avoid him, then to find out his likes and dislikes so that she would never run the risk of incurring his wrath. She never had visions of the future - and what she did, she did so out of the foreknowledge of what would happen down the road, even if some of her historical knowledge were suspect e.g. she listed names associated with 4th Prince to 8th Prince to warn him, only to realise that nobody have ever heard of them and that these people were merely fictitious characters from a C-Drama she watched about King Yongzheng
Ultimately though, like Soo, her love for 8th Prince and affection for the rest of the princes meant that she tried to change history by forewarning 8th Prince about 4th Prince, even before both brothers had any reasons for attacking each other, not realising this would be the catalyst that started then bloodshed, with 8th Prince being the first to move against 4th Prince. And in the end it was the knowledge that she was the cause, that utterly broke her in body and spirit.
BBJX did not have a happy outcome, both in the novel and the Cdrama. So, I am mentally preparing myself that this will be the case here as well, though with any adaptation, I am open to an alternate conclusion, as long as it is believable.
So instead of resolving it....Ruoxi actually was made to cause it...made it happen? oh ...that is a cruel role to have.
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HS saw WHAT ??????
So killing Eun and his cute wife?....of all people Eun ??? My sweet, adorable, baby-boy Eun ? for real? HS are you okey?
It would have been believable if she saw in her vision that So and Yo is fighting to the death...but Eun.What in the world has possessed you girl, for you to see things so horribly.
Is HS on drugs ? No seriously she might have given and had taken "unknowingly" an herb or something that could make her hallucinate is that it?
She had been staying in Goryeo a long time, why only now that this visions are occuring to her?
It is one thing to be transported in another era...but be given suddenly a super-power to see the future is just .....i dont know...in the C-version does Ruoxie has something like that ? that ability to see in the future?
I should perhaps rephrase that ...is writer-nim on drugs?
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12 minutes ago, rcalma said:
HaeSoo doesn't fully remembers Goryeo's History so that was the misleading part... the thing about Gwangjong killing his brother was not in the history itself but it looks like maybe she thought he killed his brother which is the fact in that was he drove out those powerful clans so maybe it involves those other prince's families but not directed to his brothers i think...
That's why I was thinking how could something so very "important" and "crucial" as that just be based on her vague, uncertain recollection of what the actual History is all about. Couldn't she have asked herself ..."am I 100% sure of what I'm accusing him of? " before she truly judge him. she was reacting like she has memorized the history and was so certain.
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Q U E S T I O N........................
Would anyone here be knowledgeable in Korean /Goryeo (factual) History?
Was there really a factual proof that Gwangjong killed all his brothers? any of his brother? or any of his half-brothers?
Cause if there is no factual information - then does it mean this is the CREATIVE LICENSE TO HISTORY - that this drama has stated as disclaimer?
Meaning it is only that scriptwriting that added this ....but it is not the actual REALITY ?
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Did they shrink into oblivion? 
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Y-aaahh !!! Wang So !! you are looking like that on HS lips again...it's that delectable huh? can't get enough...ha ha ha
Wang So : *nom..nom...nom "
ha ha ha
You just try and marry your half-sister evil YH, and i swear I'm going to create an eclipse just to get you!
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