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On 2/25/2019 at 6:24 PM, tendrilsofwind said:
Hi I’m new to the forum. I just finished series with so many questions like the little wool satche that NY had that ended up in FZ hands what is the meaning of the little purse?
The blogger thefeastandthefast clarified the wool sachet exchange in a way that makes sense of that scene, as follows:
She grabs the wool sachet, he looks at it for a sec then pushes it into her hand towards her chest - finally an acknowledgement of his feelings for her. This is reinforced when Zhiwei uses the sachet during court to talk about intermarriage as one solution to the Dayue problem. And in the beginning, NY uses Gu Yan'swife's sachet as way to reach him emotionally.
So the gifting of these sachets seem to carry the meaning of emotional sincerity. It was as if she was asking do you mean this? Or are you just playing around?
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On 2/27/2019 at 7:50 AM, Vals Stor said:
Lol. I think there are plenty of evidences that he likes Ni Ni, but there are fewer evidences that Ni Ni likes him. But they were holding hands and seemed to have eyes only for each other on the Happy Camp show, so who knows.
It looks to me that they like each other, which is great for their audience - their chemistry is phenomenal. The bts videos show quite a few instances of Ni Ni raining kisses on CK's face or snuggling up to him. There's one long embrace where she seems emotional and he is holding her and whispering advice, also the interview where she's moved to tears speaking of the depth of NY's and FZ's love. CK's weibo posts seem like banter; he's notoriously private about his personal life.
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On 1/22/2019 at 7:09 PM, yshtola said:
The Dayue arc had the opposite problem, being very long with very little happening. For me it felt kinda like the entire arc was one big conversation, while the actual.... action happened off-screen.
@yshtola I guess I'm unclear that you meant by 'the actual...action.'
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On 1/23/2019 at 2:27 PM, skibbies said:
Personally I think they could have just deleted the arcs =w= They are meant to be foreshadowing for all three countries becoming one under Ning Yi's reign, but he never gets there, and he doesn't even get alliances out of them. As a comparison, in the book, Zhiwei gets Jinshi and Dayue as allies. Former cos they are friends, latter cos she helped him get the throne and he admires her ability. The latter is kind of flimsy but there was a peace treaty for x number of years with Tiansheng (? iirc), while he's busy grabbing for the throne, and he does help her later.
Maybe the struggle to unify the three countries will be a thread in season2? I'm feeling quite optimistic about a second season after seeing a photo taken last week of Chen Kun and Ni Ni with one of the writers.
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On 1/22/2019 at 7:09 PM, yshtola said:
The Dayue arc had the opposite problem, being very long with very little happening. For me it felt kinda like the entire arc was one big conversation, while the actual.... action happened off-screen. Plus, the amnesia storyline was uneeded and very convoluted. It made the underwater kiss scene feel out of place and underwhelming.
Wait, do you think Jin Siyu actually raped FZ? I don't. He knew who she was and that Helian Zhang was at his gates - also that Ning Yi's army was close by. Crazy as he was, even he realized he'd have to 'marry' her to have his way.
I agree with @skibbies that the changes in FZ's behavior and personality made sense given the enormous losses she experienced within a relatively short timeframe. Losing her mother, her brother, her country, her identity and the man she loved amounts to a devastating array of losses. Prior to her arrival at the emperor's court she was inexperienced and idealistic. Much of her strength was based on idealism, which the sequence of events after her arrival at court totally deflated. Even falling for her brother's lies makes sense, given her longing for family and a cause to believe in.
All of this makes me feel certain that there will be a second season, in which FZ will rise up (like a phoenix!) and find her strength again.
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Love all these story lines! Let's hope some RoTP writers are reading this thread.
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On 1/1/2019 at 8:57 PM, whisper1 said:
JMO dramas very rarely come with HEA endings. RotP is described as historical, drama,romance and I think it fulfills that promise. In most episodes the viewer has to invest actual brain cells to follow the delicate power plays involved in the plot, quoedos for not throwing in gratuitous sex and violence to fill empty storytime, while retaining the elements of of a deep devoted love.
Unlike the Game of Thrones showrunners who are criminal for inserting useless, shocking, garbage to entertain the audience while they try to come up with ways to make visual sense out of the as yet unfinished novels. The actual plot of GoTs is simplistic and predictable.
We take issue with the poor editing in the push to finish RotP, and our frustration with the lack of the HEA. GoTs has had 5 years of episodes and now the writers think they can wrap in 6 installments. Just have to say...they better be spectacular episodes, and there better be a HEA, if any characters survive to provide it,lol. ( sorry for the rant, I watched a lot of GoThrones over the week )
Back to RotP, in the bedroom scene I would have liked the scene to have started out the same including the push, but have had it transition to unbridled passion as FengZhiwei pulls out all the stops finally expressing her unconditional love freeing NingYi to do the same. Lol, Morning after guilt has her running for the cliff.
Haha You have got to be determined to jump feet first and see it to the end, because after all the sharper the knife the less it hurts.
Ps has anyone seen Tuo Shen, if so, where?
RoTP is stronger that GoT in just about every respect I care about. The only character I feel for in GoT is Arya, whereas I find so many of the major and minor characters in RoTP compelling, because their acting is so strong. My guess is that the final season of GoT will be heavy on spectacle, with end-of-the-world type of face-offs between the Night King's evil hordes and Jon Snow and Daenerys's alliance. I'm not counting on a HEA...
There are also so many more interesting plot lines in RoTP that would be good to see developed and resolved in a second season. Is Chief Gu the father of Gu Nanyi'? If so, what is GN's story and how will they find each other? What will FZ learn about her father Emperor Ai, her birth mother and her family inheritance and what impact will that have on her sense of self and her ambivalence about NY? Will she recognize and accept that Qui Mingyi was complicated and a murderer? Did Hua Qiong (?) survive her wound and will she and FZ be reunited and have an adventure together? And of course, FZ and NY must find their way back to each other and get married.
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On 12/31/2018 at 1:24 PM, whisper1 said:
I agree, in RotP Nini really shines, her comedic as well as dramatic talents are wonderful, hard to follow up. ChenKun, what can I say? ... I watched 2 complete viewings because I couldn't focus on anything but their pairing.
I can certainly envision a second season. There are loads of threads to pull.
I have no problem with the show deviating from the book, and many times the show is better than the source. Example: Game of Thrones, I found the show a huge improvement over the books. (Reading them was like getting unmedicated dental work) whole storylines, characters, settings were chucked into the dustbin with good result.
MTS on second season:
FengZhiwei is smiling way too much for a suicide. The ever loyal and vigilant Gu Nanyi uses his wuxia powers to save her but she is injured. He takes her to a secret location where she recuperats under his doctoring, but there is some memory loss. Oh and she is pregnant but the details escape her.
NingYi soldiers on as emporor, heartbroken without her love and estute council. Remaining celibate despite several romantic closecalls. All the while grooming NingJi to eventually replace him so he can roam the empire trying to satisfy the question " where is her body??"
Please feel free to add on, I love a challenge to put creativity to use over the holiday. All passionate and talented members here could probably build a killer storyline!!!
Ps I watched Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress, I thought it a lovely film,very well done. Going to try Painted Skin.
The last episode of S1 promised that Gu Nanyi would save or find FZ and I see them traveling together for a while, maybe via Minhai and reuniting old friends on the way. I didn't see anything to make me think FZ and NY slept together in the harem, though, like you, I wish they had. It felt to me that they talked through their anger and reconnected with their love. When they parted, FZ's last little smile made me feel she already had plans that did not include NY.
NY will throw himself into bringing order to the empire and I'd like him to have some love in his life. Maybe he'll marry Yao Yanci? I like her for him; she's smart and courageous. But I imagine she wouldn't like court life, or maybe there will be some harem drama - though that's hard to imagine given NY's principles - and they will divorce. He'll eventually abdicate, Ning Ji will become emperor and NY will go off in search of FZ.
I watched Painted Skin 2, which was fun and gorgeous to look at - much better than Mulan.
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2 hours ago, skibbies said:
I think the chance of s2 will be super low, and even if they do, I sincerely hope it's with a different cast and story. This story is fairly complete, it's just all the deleted scenes gaps, continuing it would be Ning Yi as an emperor. As far as making that as a drama, it's not going to be pretty. It'd have to be court intrigue which this team could be decent at, but not excellent, and would be hard to get pass SARFT I think.
@skibbies S1 ended about halfway through the novel/story it's based on. The second half of the novel follows FZ and Gu Nanyi's adventures and brings FZ and NY back together again - a great story-line for S2 imo.
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Maybe now there'll be a season 2?
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I read ninjareflection and it gave me hope. What's the point in basing a show on a novel then stopping half-way, with lots of loose ends? The writer probably couldn't say whether or not there will be a season 2, but leaving the ending open is an old trick and indicates that the producers were keeping their options open. Netflix may well commission another season as TROTP has been an international success, though not so much in China...I'm still hoping...
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@sonosong The harem scene was weird...I didn't understand why NY ordered ZW to go there - he seemed shocked when she removed her robe. Did he just want to talk to her privately? I was reassured by the way scene ended, with them embracing the way they did after he proposed to her in Minhai. I felt they had rekindled their feeling for each other, even though she looked sad.
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On 12/2/2018 at 7:33 PM, whisper1 said:
I have selfish motives when it comes to the rich cast of characters in RotP. They provide the viewer with a lot to chew on, and I can be like a dog with a bone, only satisfied when I've exhausted myself,lol. I greatly appreciate the discussion.
Why is his name GU Nanyi? Could he be the lost son of Chief Gu? Or why does he have the same birthmark as FengZhiwei? Just wondering...
We first meet GN as this wuxia warrior, the strong silent type, a stone cold killer if ordered , thorny. When FengZhiwei lifts his hat his face looks angelic, innocent, almost fragile, childlike, true dichotomy. Screen time well spent.
This may be a question of nature or nurture.
I will give Master Zong credit for a few things, he recognized a talent successfully training him to be a terminator, and to read and write. He provided housing.
GN admits to FW he doesn't or didn't have a home, no concept of friend. All his personal and intra personal growth seems to come via FengZhiwei's nurturing. Nanyi doesn't even know what tears are until he is overwhelmed with motion as FengZhiwei cries on his shoulder. JMT a beautiful growth of a character without beating the audience to death. The same goes for the scene with Mama Yale, wonderful stuff. GuNanyi takes important baby steps toward becoming a complete person...a doctor? A husband? No longer limited to existing as Zong's robotic killing machine.
Back to Mama Qui. Anyone think she was motivated by a good bit of resentment toward FengZhiwei for surviving while her own child was sacrificed?
@whisper1 Hi everyone, I am thrilled to find this forum...having watch RoTP twice I need to 'talk' with other fans! @whisper1, I suspect Gu Nanyi is Chief Gu's lost son. I love his character, strong, silent, gentle, yet a warrior - he's completely his own person. Chief Gu is rather like that too; he has a great deal of integrity. I want a second season partly to see how GN's story develops.
Mama Qui is complicated... I think she does resent FZ somewhat, because her baby died so that FZ could live. Also that oath she demanded of FZ cannot be binding as her soul cannot rest, because she murdered the concubine Yahua.
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On 11/11/2018 at 11:25 AM, Pollen Ainne said:
I wish a happy ending for them too. But Zhiwei vowed her soul to eternal damnation if she married Ning Yi in this lifetime. So maybe another lifetime?
If Zhiwei fake 'dies' and comes back to life, won't that be another 'lifetime'? Also NY tells her 'don't believe what you see' so many times it seems like a motif in this show foreshadowing something major that we shouldn't believe...like Zhiwei committing suicide by jumping off a cliff.
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On 11/4/2018 at 2:32 AM, Pollen Ainne said:
Yes, they used it as a secret meeting place since Zhuyin was in control there. But... still... how real did they make it look? I mean, if Wei Zhi who seem to not be interested in "laying" with the ladies can be considered suspicious... then doesn't that mean everyone else does?
I am just playing devil's advocate here
@Pollen AinneI wonder if NY was Zhuyin's lover...there's a moment when FZ asks Zhuyin about her relationship with him and she looks away and is silent for a moment before explaining that both she and NY had had difficult lives. And then later when NY asks Zhuyin about her plans for the future and suggests she should find a good man and settle down, a tear streams down her face.
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[Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Rise of Phoenixes 凰权·弈天下
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These pouches seem to belong to women - mothers, wives - who give them to their husbands and/or sons. My impression is that the wool pouch belonged to NY's mother -XY observes that NY always had it with him. There's also the scene built around a letter Ning Qi receives in a pouch belonging to his mother.