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On 7/28/2023 at 2:41 PM, Unclouded said:
Exactly! She's jealous of DH's relationship with his family, the fact that she's not there, but she's not jealous about his relationship with JA. It's because she's over him by that point.
It's nice to think that: she doesn't feel jealousy in a romantic way, because indeed, she is over him. But in the end she confessed to JA that she was jealous in a bitter way, because JA evoked some emotions and behaviours in DH that YH was never really able to.--
@Raymond, I always thought about PHY wanting to make "things to happen" in MLN because she couldn't in MM. This saddens me, but also creates more to us to discuss about it. Nice insight about the 1 year apart of MLN being somewhat of a response to DH and JA's next date. I'm a true believer that PYH is giving us signs lol
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23 minutes ago, Raymond said:
Rewatching (3rd time) episode 15 very slowly in between MLN and Crowned Clown, it is difficult to understand why some could still imagine YH would stay in the marriage at the end.
Was always pretty clear to me that she had moved on while she was still married to DH. She fell in love with someone else, is not that simple to just fall out of love and love your husband again (if she never really loved him - and vice versa - will be more difficult). People tend to disregard YH's feelings. Like, it's all about whether DH will forgive her or not, but they never really think about what she wants in the end. Someone once said a nice thing about their dynamic, that she never asks him to forgive her in order to start again. For him to give her a second chance.
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On 7/11/2023 at 7:11 PM, Unclouded said:
So I agree that there's some respect (as co-parents) there. It's the warm feelings or emotional closeness that I think of with friendships that I'm struggling to see. I think DH is someone where it's a big deal that he's close to or friends with someone.
I don't think that he has feelings or emotinal closeness with YH as well; DH married just to fulfill his duties as a traditional man. He was at the university at that time, working, so he needed a wife, and than children. That's the traditional step for most of us. That's the traditional step that his friend avoided, and he needed to fulfill because of expectations. I don't think he really hates her, but he respects her (more like a partner). Her betrayal comes from that place, in my opinion. How much of respect and facade he is putting into it for her to be at his desk, I don't really know.
On 7/11/2023 at 7:11 PM, Unclouded said:Isn't that the implication of what he says to JA, that when you really know someone, nothing they do bothers you?
That reminded me of episode 8 from My Liberation Notes, where Mi Jeong (female version of DH) says to Gu that "you can do anything in front of someone that likes you". Park Hae Young thinks about that more than we know... The unpeeling feeling; To be "naked" and raw and vulnerable only in front of someone that you love.
On 7/13/2023 at 4:30 AM, Raymond said:And why would they picked IU to play in a child role, her 2 previous dramas, Producers and Moon Lovers, both romantic ones already? Or would IU been interested, at 25 years old, queen of Kpop for already many years, to play an immature girl who not even understand what man/woman love is? Sorry to be judgemental.
Kim Won Suk said that he wanted IU for this role. Like, she was the one and only JA on his mind; she even said that she would quit instead of jeopardize the project, but he said no, that she was essential.
Why she was this valuable for him?--
When I was reading the script, I used to translate lots of conversations, or even the chart about the characters, and the translation would always refer her as a child. This bothers me a bit. But I want to say something here because her age is a bit controversial.
We can all agree that JA is not a minor, she has 20-21 years old in the drama, and in most countries she is an adult. But a woman in her 20-21yo is immature and can be easily manipulated by an older adult (especially a male). The prefrontal cortex only stops developing at 25yo, this brain region is related to the planning of complex behaviors and thoughts, personality expression, decision-making and modulation of social behavior. Until 25yo, I can't say that she is really making good decisions by herself or if she is just being reckless. Because we can say that she did tons of reckless RickRoll'D.
If we didn't know JA's past that much, we would have a different approach to their relationship. Because of that, Park Hae Young needed to balance this alrealy unbalanced duo. So she made JA a "street cat", that has tons of "knowledge" that DH hasn't. They made her able to kill and muderer, because thats the opposite of a saint/good person, and we usually think that a child is a synonym of saint and a pure figure.
That said, for me, when DH says that JA is a child, he is actualy saying that she is immature, because of the 20yo difference between them. Just like for exemple, if I was 35 yo, I would say that a 20yo is a child because doesn't know a thing about the world. 20yo is a child? Of course not. Is just a way of saying that this person is immature.
But the non shippers associate a child to a literally 5yo.-
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7 hours ago, Raymond said:
so once JA thrown away the bribe money in the beginning, helping DH, for whatever reason, she would not end up in tragedy
Even DH himself, if he never helped Jian more than 4 times, he wouldn't be rewarded with happiness in the end, and sure, he would face tragedy instead.
6 hours ago, Unclouded said:Obviously they have to remain in contact for their son, but I think that relationship is going to be cold and more professional.
I have my doubts because her photos with their son are still on DH's office. They are not together, as we can see and the director said that would be weird if they had, but I think they have an amicable relationship and a somewhat respect.
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@sweetroad I was thinking about watching Doctor Cha, in my country he was always in the weekend top 10 series. Is that good? I watched Agency (loved it), Black Knight and Bloodhounds. But this year is a little bit slow for me, I need another Park Hae Young drama lol-
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19 hours ago, sweetroad said:
That's interesting, to analyze the trajectory of PDH's life before Ji An entered the picture, and then to think that Ji An's catalytic presence made My Mister a comedy for DH.
Also, Harold Crick would die if he had never met Ana... It's a good analysis, right? Anyway xD
Which dramas are you currently watching?14 hours ago, Raymond said:There is probably no need to keep defining the kind of love between the 2 leads, because it is simply reserved only between the 2 of them
My Mister shippers are doomed to always think like Kang Il while talking to his friend... "its not friendship, its not fatherly love, .... hmmm...?"
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On 6/5/2023 at 6:19 PM, sweetroad said:
You're right. There's not much redemption for either Daniel Cleaver or DJY in their stories, and DJY loses his cushy job, too.
Exactly!
By the way, if we think about the old concept of tragedy (= where the protagonist of a tragedy needs to make a mistake or do something wrong to start his downfall) is very interesting when we think about DJY...
In "Stranger Than Fiction" tragedy means you die in the end, and comedy means you get married, so based on that, I also think that if DJY had never framed PDH with that fake bribe money, he wouldn't face a tragic fate(?). At the same time, I think that probably PDH would.
PDH only found out that his wife was cheating on him because of Ji An, but also only because DJY started everything. So KYH would actually have the guts to ask for divorce, and PDH would witness his own downfall and die in the end.
just a thought~
On 6/5/2023 at 6:19 PM, sweetroad said:Stranger Than Fiction, another of my favorite movies
It's a very good movie! we read a long time ago the script, very satisfying xD
On 6/5/2023 at 6:19 PM, sweetroad said:By the way @dongans glad you're back!
Thank you! I was very busy but always missing you guys
On 6/5/2023 at 8:29 PM, Unclouded said:What I found kinda interesting was that One Million Roses was used in My Mister, when I feel like it's so perfectly suited for My Liberation Notes. 'Without hate in my heart, when I give love without holding back, a million flowers will bloom' - that's like a perfect description of the FL's way of thinking in MLN.
Oh nice insight about MLN and "A Million Roses"! Indeed several passages complement each other in different dramas written by PHY
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1 hour ago, sundown said:
Also, the pattern of this writer is fair point. i think I'll be watching MLN next just to get some more perspective on how this writer's mind works wrt romance.
I think we can have something here, for the drama itself and for that ending, if we look closely to PHY's M.O
27 minutes ago, sweetroad said:Nice points! I actually just finished re-reading Bridget Jones' Diary and it is interesting the parallels between Mark Darcy and Park Dong Hoon
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- betrayed in love by their wives
- hating the men they knew before, who had dalliances with their wives (Daniel Cleaver and Do Joon Young)
- reserved and quiet
- very smart in their fields
- looked up to in their neighborhoods, family men (though Mark Darcy had moved away from his family, and PDH stayed close by)
- caring, and action-oriented in caring for others
Yes!
I few conversations back in this forum, the user @KettleOn said something similar, making a comparison between Bridget Jones' Diary and My Mister. I know her in real life and we talked a bit about the possibility of My Mister being a comedy, or just a romantic comedy. Analyzing those parallels!
Thank you for writing this again!! indeed we have lots of similar/almost similar parallels. And I don't think that PHY chose Mark Darcy randomly to represent Dong Hoon. Also a nice thing is Mark married a Japanese westernized woman, just like Yoon Hee was a Korean westernized woman.
About this Daniel Cleaver x Do Joon Young, is very much true, and I want to say that from my perspective, Dong Hoon is living a comedy while Do Joon Young is living a tragedy (if we think about that old greek concept of comedy x tragedy).-
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On 6/1/2023 at 10:52 PM, Raymond said:
Reading an old post by actionscript 'All the ending scenes, a deeper look' I just couldn't agree more. I always felt each episode is always ended with DH and JA's relationship on the high or obstacles on the way to being removed (but always setbacks in next episode again, until the very last scene with no more future setback).
How can healing be possible without love in dramas? Especially for DH he was totally damaged by his marriage, the loveless heart (with YH)? Love leads to healing, but just to define MA a healing drama only is a kind of 'putting the cart in front of the horse'!
I think we need to remember first that Jung Hee said that Dong Hoon is a Mark Darcy (the protagonist of a romance book).
And second, and I think its the most important fact is that Park Hae Young created three different dramas which the protagonists look to achieve something, achieve healing, so they go on a journey of a healing process BUT they do that falling in love. "Another Oh Have Young", "My Mister" and "My Liberation Notes" follows the same modus operandi. The only thing that differs is how deep they are going to show - physically speaking - their evolvement.
Although we can say that My Mister lacks a reciprocal kiss, we still have it. So the M.O is still going on.-
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1 hour ago, the_sweetroad said:
From what I've seen I'm pretty sure it's: 到安 (arrive at peace/quiet - dao4 an1)
thank youuu
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I have a curiosity. Does anyone know the chinese characters for Jian? I want to know how can I write "to reach comfort"
Thanks anywaysssOn 1/11/2023 at 7:51 PM, the_sweetroad said:I think you're right!
This Twitter account just put English subs to some of LSK's answers, and Cut 3 (below) is this very part:
Oh yay! nice to know xD And very cute interview, even tho I didn't understand much, I couldn't stop smiling
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2 hours ago, the_sweetroad said:
Fun video from the cast of Payback interviewing each other.
I can't understand the Korean, but they mention My Mister here (timestamped). Apparently there was a "controversy" surrounding how much beer LSK poured for IU during filming? Or how much foam there was in the beer?
If anyone knows Korean and can translate that would be great.
Hey beautiful people Long time no see! I hope everyone has had a great holiday season, and I do hope that we can share many things about My Mister in the year of 2023!
I don't speak korean also, but I think that he is talking about the amout of foam. Here where I live, for exemple, we tend to ask for a lot of foam when the waiter is pouring us a glass. I think they were making fun of Kyun because he poured a lot of foam in her glass lmao but I think he says that that's the right way?!-
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On 11/27/2022 at 11:03 PM, YukawaCattle said:
LSK: He is the one who tries hard not to be tempted. He is also afraid of his feelings for Ji-an. He is very consistent in his feelings, and will not change once he has decided. Are his feelings love, compassion, or sympathy? But it's not really like that. Many things are superimposed on each other. He was afraid of the temptations and feelings that came up. He was also grateful that those feelings were finally dissipated. Dong-hoon takes the safety of his surroundings very seriously. He has a very strong desire to protect his family. If it is seen as love in a broad sense, it can be said to be love. But it is not the kind of love between the opposite sexes.
"Many things are superimposed on each other. He was afraid of the temptations and feelings that came up" -> this I really believe in, because their relationship was always blurry.
"Dong-hoon takes the safety of his surroundings very seriously. He has a very strong desire to protect his family." -> This part I have my doubts, if he said this meaning "before everything colapsed", it makes sense. But if he means that "after everything colapsed" I would not buy it. Because Dong Hoon was built again from the scratch, of course he is going to be more or less the same as before, but due to what his monk friend said to him and he have learned along the way with Ji An, it's expected of him to be a more easygoing person.
"If it is seen as love in a broad sense, it can be said to be love. But it is not the kind of love between the opposite sexes." -> This, not even Lee Sun Kyun himself believes that.
39 minutes ago, the_sweetroad said:Are you thinking of this post from GMS? Every time DH and JA are at the restobar, there are candles everywhere. https://givemeslippers.wordpress.com/2022/04/20/love-grows-here-hugye-restobar/
So romantic.
YES! I was thinking about this perfect article
39 minutes ago, the_sweetroad said:I haven't watched AOHY yet, but I remember that in MLN and in MM Ep 12, both Mr Gu and Mi Jung, and Yu Ra and Ki Hoon, actually do have a conversation about getting together. They have a dialogue about it and that's considered the beginning of their actual relationships. Ki Hoon doesn't say, "Omma! I have a girlfriend!" until he and Yu Ra have sat outside Jung Hee's bar and clarified that they won't dump the other, even though there's been a lot of build-up until Ep 12, with multiple discussions between KH and YR in previous episodes.
So between JA and DH, I feel like the handshake is the first time that DH can signal to JA that he's available and still interested, and they're exchanging signals with each other...but I still think it can be consistent with Park Hae-Young's value system to have them have a clearer dialogue, later, about whether or not TO get together.
I don't remember much about AOHY, @YukawaCattle enlighten me if I'm wrong: but the female and male second lead they were never a thing romantically, but they get drunk and she get's pregnant. They hide it, while they decide what to do, but then, they decide to give it a go "official" (after everyone knows about it).39 minutes ago, the_sweetroad said:If you're like some of the rest of us, you'll pick up even more "moments of love" upon subsequent rewatches.
I was going to say that in my previous post, but I gave up lmao
Now I watch all their scenes like this ->
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On 11/23/2022 at 1:05 AM, YukawaCattle said:
In fact, when I saw this, I thought that this should be how the Korean film industry classifies MM. Otherwise, this author would not create his/her own new terms. After all, this is the page to introduce important Korean actors to foreigners. Because it feels like a formal page, I assume the author would not write it randomly, so this information should be available for us to reference.
I have noticed that everyone says different things. Like, for the director, My Mister is a comedy, for the Korean Govnerment is a romantic melodrama, and I saw the My Mister script book cover and it says it's a slice-of-life I do believe that can be all of them together... but each one seems to prioritize one of them, and it's funny to me.
On 11/23/2022 at 1:05 AM, YukawaCattle said:Oh yes. I've thought about something like that. In the seventh episode, even has the shot of Dong-hoon turns on the gas stove.
I also think that you or GMS (I can't remember right now) posted one picture with cnadles between them. But yeah, seems to have a pattern.
On 11/23/2022 at 1:05 AM, YukawaCattle said:By the way, I think it's interesting to explore "what kind of women Park Dong-hoon is interested in" based on Yoon-hee and Ji-an's personalities.
They have similarities, one of the few things that can differ is that Ji An is very close to her remain family and would do everything for "them". Maybe that's the key point for Dong Hoon.On 11/23/2022 at 1:05 AM, YukawaCattle said:It's no wonder Chang-hee and Ye-rin ended up having this plot because Park Hae-young wants to let them amicable breakup so that they can greet each other on the road in the future with a non-awkward mood in mind.
Very reasonable! I actually forgot about their first breakup.On 11/27/2022 at 11:03 PM, YukawaCattle said:Oh. Because when I brought up this topic last time, someone said that being too sure about this kind of thing might make non-shippers uncomfortable, so I would like to translate the director's and the actor's words here for non-shippers particularly.
Curious interview. As a shipper my head was spinning!
My Mister interviews are always dubious to me when I think about some elements in the drama that opposes to what they have said. I think we have too much external forces (social ones) that I can't really buy what they're saying 100%.
If we never had the controversy at the beginning (related to IU's age and Lee Sun Kyun visuals), even if they kept the story and I was shipping by my own risk of doing so, I would believe more in this interview.
I can't picture Lee Sun Kyun saying "yeah, they ended up together/they're going to be a couple/they loved each other" even after all these years. This would make him look bad. Knetz would toss him out.
Like for exemple: In the end we have Dong Hoon's handshake. We interpret as if he's now free to make a more intimate move. But reading this interview, from Lee Sun Kyun's perspective, maybe his feelings just have dissipated enough for him feel free to handshake without feeling something for her.
It's not something that I would like to think as a possibility, even if it can make sense.
But Ok, My Mister do this a lot, they do, say, dubious things.
But, I don't think we can say that Lee Sun Kyun's answer is universally true, because in that scene, Dong Hoon turned his head in order to avoid Ji An's eyes. The same thing that he did at the bar before she left.
He was shy thats why he avoided. If his feelings dissipated, he wouldn't do it.
Many people associate one thing with another. We grow up seeing references, in our daily lives or cinema, or books, so when we see one thing, we associate with another, making a link. We can't though, associate one thing that we have seen with another that we have never seen.
We can't associate, for exemple, a glass blade with pfzws. Because we don't know what pfzws means.
But we can associate the glass blade with an eraser. Because we have already seen it in our lives.
What I mean with this is: we can associate lot's of things that Dong Hoon and Ji An did with romantic feelings, because we have already seen it. I can't pretend that I didn't. And if I would pretend, I would be blatantly lying.-
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On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:
Can I say " 'MM is a romantic drama' is the Korean government's position" based on these relationships
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Good to know, thanks for this information!
LOL I was thinking the same, like the Korean government is a shipper??.gif ":1646639759_ezgif.com-gif-maker(1):")
On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:“If there is fire, it means there is love between two people."
Also, I don't know if this enters in this situation, but Dong Hoon and Ji An's encounters at the bar, we could see the candles between them.On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:Based on the above, I choose your <loveless but with complicity> marriage.
True, I just get confused sometimes because Yoon Hee seems to be hurt everytime she realises that she is not his top priority. Maybe this comes from an urge to be noticed. I mean, not from everyone, but male attention. Or the urge to win, because as a lawyer/as a competitive person, she can be competitive. She can be competing with the other girls from college, and even when she won, she was competing with herself.On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:I just remember that they failed in the end. LOL.
Lol that's ok! I also think that the fact that they've tried and failed, it's also a "sign".
On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:it's impossible to go back to the original relationship after being hurt."
But this can't be applied to Dong Hoon and Yoon Hee as well?On 11/18/2022 at 7:52 AM, YukawaCattle said:By the way, to me, Yeom Mi-jeong＋Mr. Gu in MLN and Park Dong-hoon＋Lee Ji-an in MM are equivalent. But Yeom Mi-jeong corresponds to Park Dong-hoon, while Mr. Gu corresponds to Lee Ji-an.
Oh yes, I made this same connection as I was watching My Liberation Notes.
About the stray cats and dogs lmao is a good information, I couldn't link these two things together while watching MLN. The dog plot was a bit blurry for me
On 11/18/2022 at 6:41 PM, the_sweetroad said:Nice insight! You're right - Dong Hoon had to go with the flow and couldn't force bringing back Ji An into his orbit. He had to bear the weight (absorb the shocks) and be flexible, and wait. And when he did see her in Choon Dae's shack, he still had to be gentle with her. He came in hot with Kwang Il; he definitely couldn't come in hot with her, otherwise she would withdraw again like a stray cat.
Not only he could lose sight of Ji An again, but also he could fail his promotion attempt. Many things were at stake at that time
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@the_sweetroad @YukawaCattle wow so many likes from both of you, thanks I guess 22 comments were enough
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@the_sweetroad I was reading that article from GMS that you sent to me, and I was reading the comment section... I bumped into a comment that says about structures and I was hooked!
I want to ask you if GMS made an article about this or not, since I never saw it there.
Spoiler
So I was looking into the 2nd topic, about this H CORE brand.
I also found the ad that this person was talking about (below).
SpoilerThis ad says (translated with papago):
"Now, check out H-CORE when you look at the house.
Did you only look at the interior, area, and accessibility when choosing a house? Now, we have to think about tomorrow's safety.
From now on, check the inside of the building to see if it's a house built with my own steel material that absorbs the shock of the earthquake and Hyundai Steel H-CORE."I found an article that basically talks about Hyundai, and its premium construction steel brand.
"It is a step forward from the brand that was limited to some construction steel materials that can be applied to earthquake-resistant designs such as existing rebar and section steel.
Hyundai Steel put forward the slogan “Safety-embedded Steel, Safe H CORE” in the sense that the new H CORE is the highest quality steel material that can be selected most safely based on safety."
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So, Dong Hoon was previously at his desk, and then he sees his new slippers, and with that he starts to worry. So, he gets up and goes towards the elevator, but stops halfway to call her, and that's the moment where the ad appears.
I know it can mean nothing... Because well, they need to make their obligatory ad. But I was thinking that they could probably put an obligatory ad, but also, utilize as a symbol of Dong Hoon's state of mind.High quality steel material -> that is very resistent to earthquakes
Dong Hoon (as the building) is suffering from an impact -> Ji An's disappearance (earthquake)
So in order for him to resist -> He needs a good quality steel as the H-CORE ((lmaooo))
As it was said before, those structures that are made to prevent earthquakes indeed needs to be flexible, because during the earthquake the building needs incline so they make little right and left movements, in some extent of degree, to prevent from cracking and to collapse. I think that those times of earthquake for Dong Hoon demands him to flexible and to go with the flow... without that, he would break. He couldn't be that impulsive like he was with Kang Il.
I don't know what I want from this lol.I'm just dropping this and if someone wants to continue, feel free to do it!
If someone wants to keep looking into it:
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On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:
On the web page of The Actor is Present, the classification of MM is written as romantic melodrama.
Oh I get it! And this site is the official one?!
On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:I remember that we can read the information in the script book that Yoon-hee chose to marry Dong-hoon because she thought he was a good and kind person.
Yes, to me, both of them married because each wanted something from the other. And I also agree that Yoon Hee had some kind of illusion with him.
She saw that he was a hard working person, and she valued that. But she couldn't predict that he would put his mother and bothers at first, and also sacrifice him (and her in the process).
But I was actually curious about their dinamic inside their marriage, I have questions if the love between them was always in the picture or not.
Or if it was more like a <loveless but with complicity> marriage.
They were so hurt by each other, but it was because of love? or the complicity? I just can only picture complicity
On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:I think there is no worship between Dong-hoon and Yoon-hee. Their situation is just like Chang-hee and Ye-rin in MLN.
Yes, that is what I was trying to say, thank you
Also, as I recall, Chang Hee and Ye Rin tried to make it work at the end, but they failed.
On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:By the way, if we see this type of couple in Park Hae-young's drama, we should be able to know right away that they will eventually break up (?)
It's a nice catch! Maybe this happened as well in Another Oh Hae Young with the male lead and his first love?
On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:Me: Mr. Kim, because you are not Ji-an, Dong-hoon has no patience to explain to you in detail.
LMAO!!
If poor Mr. Kim was Ji An, he would probably make some good ol' analogies and be talkative
I think that Park Hae Young's male leads behave like that with their female leads. To be talkative I mean.On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:if it were not for his brother, he might not have had the heroic impulse to stand up for someone
That's what I think!
On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:Park Dong-hoon gradually subdues Lee Ji-an, but Lee Ji-an gradually unleashes Park Dong-hoon's wildness (?)
I like that! These are the things that each other mostly lacks.On 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:Beautiful soul mate.
YES! I said family, but just under the intention to level her as a higher standard
Soulmate is just perfect! ThanksOn 11/12/2022 at 4:29 AM, YukawaCattle said:After all, protecting Lee Ji-an is Park Dong-hoon's instinct.
IT IS!
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On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:
I guess if Dong-hoon told Yoon-hee about his negative thoughts, she would probably nag him and tell him to be more positive, as she did in EP6.
Indeed! Also, at that point, Yoon Hee was just so tired of him... I ask myself how they used to be before everything went wrong... If we think about My Liberation Notes, Mi Jeong and Gu, in order to feel liberated, they said good things about each other or they needed to say an "ugly" truth to wake the other up. I just think Yoon Hee and Dong Hoon coulnd't be that person to one another.
Both of them would probably say something that the other didn't want to hear.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:I say so because Dong-hoon explained to Ji-an that he never wanted the bribe money. He said he just hesitated because he had never met such a thing.
It's curious, because he usually doesn't care what others think of him, especially at work. But with Ji An, he has this thing to always explain himself or his motives. When he said that they shouldn't meet anymore, because people would misinterpret.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:I think this is why there is no "I love you" in this drama, but we can feel there is lots of love.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:In fact, there is also "Lee Ji-an in EP10."
This is pure goooooold!! LMAO!
Thank you @YukawaCattle
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:What do you mean by "confirmation of something"? I am curious about this.
For me, Dong Hoon crossed a fine line in this scene. Although he helped Ji An a little bit before, until that point, he wasn't putting himself at risk for a person that he barely knew. I think of Dong Hoon as a very private person, his closest colleagues or even his neighborhood friends don't know him that well. So the safest thing to do probably was to call the police or something, but he wanted to go there. For me was great deal for him to go fisical in order to pay Ji An's debts.
He leveled Ji An at the same level as his family (I don't even know if the monk is at the same level).
When Yoon Hee asked Dong Hoon if she was even in second place, I ask myself which place does Ji An occupy, for Yoon Hee to be demoted.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:By the way, I am curious if Wentworth E. Miller III has ever watched MM.
LMAO if not, he should!!On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:A private place → A public place → His work place
Wow, love it! Each time becomes more personal for him!
Never notice this! Only thing that I noticed was that he starts to look more often at her desk lmao, searching for her endlessly. When she wasn't there, he would freak out
"how dare she not be at my sight?"
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:And in these three times, Dong-hoon would still return to normal from his crazy state at the end. I guess he would return to normal because he realized something was wrong with him.
Everyone saying "IT LOOKS WEIRD" LMAO poor Dong Hoon! Can't control himself.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:For example, in EP16, he was directly angry with the rude participants at the funeral without hesitation. He seems to have fully embraced his "crazy for Ji-an" state.
So true and I love that. I mean... if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
On 11/5/2022 at 11:12 AM, YukawaCattle said:There are now 18 posts (Calculate).
let's analyze how many more I need
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On 10/4/2022 at 4:45 PM, KettleOn said:
I'm starting to read more about comedy and tragedy because of what Kim Won Seok said, that for him, My Mister is a comedy. I wanted to share with you all and maybe you guys have something to add or enlighten me in the process!
There is a possibility of:
my mister -> comedy
Ki Hoon's script at the end -> romantic comedy
@YukawaCattle and @KettleOn? Also, I don't know much about it so... lol-
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On 11/3/2022 at 12:06 PM, YukawaCattle said:
By the way, I notice that Dong-hoon and Ji-an like to talk to each other about their negative thoughts ("Fighting!" and "Let's be happy" are two exceptions), but they don't criticize each other for not being positive. They usually just listen quietly and try to understand why the other person thinks the way they do. In life, we may just need the company of such a person like this (?)
Yes! I personally think that Dong Hoon thinks of Ji An as his safe place, where he can talk about his darker thoughts without being judged by it. Family usually don't like to see their loved ones that sad so they kinda try to contradicts the person right away, showing a brighter side. And Ji An as you said, she just listens.
Funny to think that Another Oh Hae Young's ML tries to fix/liberate the FL, whereas in My Liberation Notes the FL asks to be fixed/liberated. Now My Mister, they both do that, but without declaring it. Like actions are better than words.
On 11/3/2022 at 12:06 PM, YukawaCattle said:The first hug... If it really happened, I feel like the end of that scene would not be as simple as "Ji-an grabbed Dong-hoon's coat." After all, it was in front of Ji-an's house.
LMAO!! they would...?
On 11/3/2022 at 12:06 PM, YukawaCattle said:If Dong-hoon didn't ask for the slippers back, I think Ji-an would not have crossed the line. That is, because Dong-hoon gave a signal to Ji-an, that's why Ji-an did so. If he hadn't given the signal, Ji-an wouldn't have crossed the line.
Oh nice!! I forgot the iconic scene "BUY ME ANOTHER PAIR OF SLIPPERS"
By the way, I love the "meme"
On 11/3/2022 at 12:06 PM, YukawaCattle said:I also like the moment when Dong-hoon fought with Kwang-il. But the reason may be different. I like to see a different Dong-hoon. I especially love the moment he returns to a normal state from his crazy state (In the final of the fight scene, I personally think Dong-hoon's close-up shows this moment).
For me was like a confirmation of something.
But was indeed nice to see a different side of him! My favorite Dong Hoon mad mode is when he screams at that bulding owner that humiliated Sang Hoon.
"Interior material. Brick. Concrete. Concrete! Concrete! Concrete! Did you break down the concrete wall? It helps the building withstand earthquakes. (...) A structural engineer. You ignorant bas***d. Didn't you watch Prison Break? MICHAEL SCOFIELD WAS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER!"
Hwa, I have to say that I swooned.
1 hour ago, the_sweetroad said:he esteemed Moderators tell me that apparently once you've reached a certain number of posts the reaction button will appear for you. I'm not sure how many posts would be the threshold, but let's find out!
Thank you @the_sweetroad! Guess I will have to keep writing it then
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On 10/29/2022 at 8:58 PM, YukawaCattle said:
o whether it's the subway incident or the forced kiss incident, all got me screaming
I can't agree more! Many scenes got me screaming as well!
At first, I was analysing, because I was fearful of being wrong lmaoBut yes, the subway incident, the kiss, when Dong Hoon fought with Kang Il ((( I SCREAMED ))). So many hints!!
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On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:
But in the end, the advice they gave each other was not accepted by each other. In EP3, Sang-hoon says he will not divorce, and after EP6, Dong-hoon is still very nervous about his life.
But as we can see in EP11, Dong-hoon accepted Sang-won's advice very easily.
The above incidents show that Dong-hoon and Sang-won have similar values, while he and Sang-hoon are different. After all, in our daily lives, we listen to advice from people with similar values more often, I think.
Agree! Both Dong Hoon and Sang Hoon gave advices to eachother that both wanted to hear themselves. That's why neither of them took it to heart, because wasn't that suitable for them. We do this all the time without realising it, when a friend needs a word of advice or even comfort, we use our own experiences or mindset.
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:Also, in EP14, Sang-hoon also takes his name and Sang-won's name to make a pun joke. When Je-Cheol yelled Sang-won's name, Sang-hoon said, "Friend, I'm here, no need to yell," and Je-Cheol said he was calling Sang-won, not Sang-hoon. I think this conversation should be one of the hints, that is, "Sang-hoon is different from Sang-won in some way"(?)
At first, I thought that he acted like that to disguise it, so Jung Hee wouldn't hear/notice it. You know? But I don't know...
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:I just think about that Mr. Chairman said to Dong-hoon in EP15 that if he had told him about Jun-young earlier, he would have helped him deal with the matter. Then at Bong-ae's funeral, there was also a wreath from Mr. Chairman. So I guess if Dong-hoon wants Mr. Chairman to help Ji-an, Mr. Chairman will help.
Anyway, so Kang Yoon-hee's occupation as a lawyer is still important in MM.
Good observation!!
"Anyway, so Kang Yoon-hee's occupation as a lawyer is still important in MM." -> I guess! With her, we have a more interesting story, where the characters gets more involved into eachothers lives. Mr. Chairman would've killed this off lmao.
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:(I'm collecting this thing. LOL.)
I'm curious now!
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:So can that shot be considered a close-up of the hand?
I think it can be!! Maybe Kim Won Suk did this close up without Ji An grabing his coat because that's the only thing that he was able to do at the time.
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:In this case, I guess the director should design Dong-hoon to have some kind of follow-up reaction, such as tightening the force of the hug, or the expression will look more sad, something like that. Maybe such a feeling is what the director does not want or does not dare to want (?)
On 10/28/2022 at 3:57 AM, actionscript said:I think it’s important that DH remain consistent in his being in restraint mode all throughout pre-time skip. So he gave in to JA’s second request for a hug, but he gave a relatively awkward and light hug. JA felt the restraint in DH, respected it, and reciprocated with a light hug as well.
All that to highlight the contrast in DH’s very, very tight grip on JA's hands in the last scene –– a not-so-subtle hint on how DH’s circumstances have changed post-time skip.
Dong Hoon made a sad face, he almost cried, his eyes were very teary.
Interesting... I think @actionscript is right, he needed to keep his consistency, that opposes to our very tight handshake at the end!
It's funny to think that from Dong Hoon's perspective is indeed to mantain our male protagonist a consistency. And I know that she couldn't grab his coat because she felt Dong Hoon's restraint, but I can picture/imagine her grabing his coat. That's something that she would have done if he accepted her first hug, for exemple.
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:So...maybe the last white mark left on Ji-an's hand shows up for the same reason?
Yes!!
Althought it's for different reasons! The first two are driven by fear, the last one driven by happiness.
On 10/26/2022 at 9:26 PM, YukawaCattle said:(Park Dong-hoon is really a K-drama male protagonist with unique behavior. There is no way to understand this mysterious man completely by applying the template of a normal K-drama male protagonist.
He is indeed!
On 10/28/2022 at 5:31 AM, YukawaCattle said:After all, Ji-an always adjusts her way of interacting with Dong-hoon according to Dong-hoon's feelings. An example of this was when Dong-hoon sat in a single seat on the bus in EP10, Ji-an immediately chose a double seat and kept her distance from Dong-hoon.
I'm skeptical about this one, because Ji An crossed some lines with Dong Hoon, like saying how much she liked him at the train, for exemple.
Maybe she plays along with him in certain situations, and some others, she just crosses the line.
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Edit: "Althought it's for different reasons! The first two are driven by fear, the last one driven by happiness." -> I wrote that and then I saw that you guys have already discussed it lmao. If you want to ignore it, that's fine!-
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4 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:
"Park Hae-young didn't even set the name the first moment she wrote the script but prioritized showing the characters' cultured."
So nice to know those kind of things about Park Hae Young! I guess that when you don't determine those things like job, name, place or something, you indeed have more freedom to focous on the human part and connection.
The same thing as occupation, she made both main leads ask each other about their name meaning. And plus, she ends the drama making an analogy of Ji An's name and her state of mind/life.
4 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:This way, the MM character's name is also worth studying.
(Cattle's murmur: We all know that the naming of Dong-hoon and Dong-un is to pave the way for the merchandise coupon event. So I am curious about if there is any special design meaning when the scriptwriter designed "Sang-hoon / Sang-won" and "Yoon-hee / Jung-hee.")
By what I said before, I do agree with you that it's worth studying also the names.
About that, I don't know if I'm going too far, but:
Sang Hoon -> encouraged Dong Hoon to fight to maintain his previously life
Sang Won -> encouraged Dong Hoon to find himself, and change his previously life
Yoon Hee -> was out of Dong Hoon's friends life and daily meetings, and she wanted to pay Ji An to get out of Dong Hoon's life (as I recall lmao)
Jung Hee -> was very much in Dong Hoon's friends circle and daily meetings, plus she "sheltered" Ji an
Dong Un -> He was very skilled in get together some clues of what was happening, and he knew how to deal with the corporate environment
Dong Hoon -> He needed help to get those clues together, and he never liked the business environment and sucked at it.Maybe they are opposites? here's the question
5 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:I think Mr. Chairman has the connections to do this (Mr. Chairman, MM's Santa Claus. Ho Ho Ho). From this perspective, Kang Yoon-hee's occupation as a lawyer may not be very important in the whole drama.
About this... I had to think a little bit more. Because I agree that Park Hae Young could put Chairman as our Santa Claus lmao, but I don't think that would benefit the narrative as the other does.
Just like you said here -> " But of course, Kang Yoon-hee helped to deal with Ji-an's law issue or not, which will greatly impact DongYoon's storyline, like how they ended their marriage (in a good atmosphere or bad)."
Yoon Hee being Ji An's attorney made us witness DongYoon's deteriorated dynamic. She also says to Ji An that he never did things to her as he is doing for Ji An. She sounded a bit jealous and also bitter (because they never could work it out... her behaviour is just like every end of relationship is when the the couple fails). So indeed there is an impact that would not have with Chairman.
Deeply, I think that Park Hae Young would think that it's too much to put the Chairman as Ji An saviour so many times... a busy powerful man. Maybe would sound less realistic to the plot that she has developed until that point.5 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:Dong-hoon should have done it through Mr. Chairman's connections
Seems plausible to me lmao although I never thought about this before
I would just add that Dong Hoon is different from Sang Hoon, he is "smarter" and has better connections, because everyone from the last Sang Hoon's job was avoiding him because he became a failure, but Dong Hoon he quit Sanman because he wanted, and he left at his best... as a director an a good person. This helped him a lot.5 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:I thought a little about what would happen if Kim Won-seok added a hand close-up to the goodbye hug scene. And... hmmm... I think it's too obvious.
I guess the scriptwriter and director should have already considered the romantic atmosphere issue, so they did not use this shot in the hug scene. I would love it! lmao and there is a close up, but she never grabed his coat
this is so sad for us shippers.
And yes, would add so much romantic vibes if Ji An decided to do that.5 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:↑ Judged based on the original script, Dong-hoon seems attracted to Ji-an when they are too close on the subway. And the reason he resisted this good feeling only that he was married.
The subway scene got me screaming since day 1!! and one of the scenes where made me shipp and think "am I being too crazy about this?". But well, I wasn't crazy!
I think this scene show us so much about his "I've never been tempted before, I don't know how I would act", for me, in a way, Dong Hoon was always tempted and he failed, in a way, because he was affected by it.How he acted while being tempted -> His hands grabing firmily something to control, when he used to walk faster than her, and when he looked away avoiding her looking at him.
5 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:That is to say, Park Dong-hoon's hand betrayed himself at this moment.
Thank God.
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On 10/21/2022 at 9:45 PM, YukawaCattle said:
Thanks for sharing this.
Not a problem my friend!
On 10/21/2022 at 9:45 PM, YukawaCattle said:This interview is attached to the script of MM's Director's Cut Limited Edition. I don't know if the new version script has it.
Oh I didn't know about it!
On 10/21/2022 at 9:45 PM, YukawaCattle said:So I think we can learn a sequence of Park Hae-young's writing here: these metaphors about Dong-hoon's life philosophy, which is linked with his career, probably are the ideas that Park Hae-young extended after she learned about the occupation of a structural engineer.
I somewhat agree, also him being demoted and then promoted (which is more concrete than words)... she probably thought about that in a generalized way (he could have been promoted and demoted from any work I guess), and then she filled in the spaces.
On 10/21/2022 at 9:45 PM, YukawaCattle said:I actually analyzed this matter when I first watched MM because I think Kang Yoon-hee's career only needed the characteristics of "high social status" and "high income" because these characteristics of her career were probably one of the reasons for DongYoon's bad relationship. Whether she is a lawyer or not will only affect whether Yoon-hee is involved in the rescue of Ji-an at the end and will not have any effect on the previous plot, like DongYoon's bad relationship. So I guess that the scriptwriter decides the character's occupation only at the last moment.
Yes! It's a very good observation!
I think that Yoon Hee's occupation is molded in order to help Ji An at the end (and Park Hae Young could have choose her career at the last moment anyways when she thought "I need someone to help Ji An with her wrong doings" at the end). Plus, yes, a lawyer can have a high status.
On 10/21/2022 at 9:45 PM, YukawaCattle said:By the way, when exactly can I give you a "like"?
Still no button appears.
I want to press it.
LMAO!! I don't know as well
I guess it's because I don't write much here (or in any other forum)? Or because I'm new to this? Soompi please give me an explanation!
16 hours ago, YukawaCattle said:→ We don't see this extra action in the other kiss takes. So this is the director who additional added it, which means that the director wants to describe Dong-hoon's certain feelings through this shot. And Dong-hoon's reaction here is the same as when he was too close to Ji-an on the subway, so his feelings here should be the same as when he was too close to Ji-an on the subway. So this shot in MM should follow the template usage just like the above two romantic dramas, which indicates that Dong-hoon has good feelings about Ji-an kissing him.
Oh I forgot to say something about this!
So, I went to watch again the last episode, because in my mind I was swearing that she grabed his coat in the hug scene, but noooooo... I was so sad! lol
I guess we can only see in this kiss scene. But I think it's more vague is this case.
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@YukawaCattle have you seen this? https://tw.nextapple.com/entertainment/20221020/C136200CA12BA80912619D94200186D3
if I'm not mistaken, it's written in chinese, right?
Someone (@tampoo18) translated on twitter. So I'll just to copy and paste here the translation...
1. I always listen to my inner voice when I write. What do I desire, what do I want..I was 40+ then, I don't think that my life is great, but it is not bad either. I wanted to write life of ordinary people. That's how I created MLN.
2. My Ahjussi was planned in 2013, broadcast in 2018. It was rejected by many stations in 2013 because the lead is too ordinary. The male lead in dramas then has to be powerful. But I felt tired of it. I wanted to write a story about human.
3. On the meaning of "liberate" in MLN, it means to be lenient & forgive yourself. Goo ssi feels guilty about himself. Mijung doesn't look like a depressed person objectively but she feels that she is worthless. So, they heal each other through "worship".
4. When she create a character, she will always put the occupation as the last item on her list. The occupation of Donghoon was only decided towards the end. There will be a fixed image on the chac if the job is decided up front. It may be in conflict with the chac's personality.
5. Never have the intention to want to let the viewers to feel "healed" after watching her works. She has written story of lead with terminal illness in the past. To write a realistic story, the writer has to be ”possessed" by the chac. She felt that she almost died at the end of it. She decided to move away from this, and look for new things to write. That is how she ended up writing "healing" stories.
6. She normally writes in cafes or library. Sometimes when shes working in the cafe, the conversation at the next table is more interesting than what she wrote & she ended up eavesdropping.
7. She will meditate when she runs out of inspiration. Sometimes typing nonsensically on the laptop will give ideas. 80% of the time she felt that her writing is boring. When this happens, she will go for a drive & the inspiration will come.
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So curious to think that she puts the occupation of a character as the last item on her list. As we talked about architecture and engineering here, I thought (but never said) that she determined Dong Hoon's occupation since the beginning because there is some analogies between life and buildings etc. But regardless of that, to write without putting a character in a occupation box at first, I think that makes her writing more fluid to explore.-
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"how dare she not be at my sight?"
this is so sad for us shippers.
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Oh I can be wrong lol I think I'm mixing things up in my memory, indeed was JA who said that was jealous... but I don't know, I still think YH said something T_T I need to rewatch that scene where YH wants to pay for JA stay away from DH more at the beginning... I can be mixing this up right there.
I thought that was a little bit bitter because she should be the one doing that. You know when things should have been more but it wasn't? Its a bitterness feeling about the fact that their marriage failed... thats what I always thought. The feeling that they both should have worked out but they chose to avoid it. I'm not saying that what YH wants from DH is the same tho, I always thought that she had a bitterness feeling towards it, like I said, that they lost their timing. Is about something from the past, not from the present or future. Because in the present and in the future she doesn't like DH anymore. I felt that she was bitter because she wanted that to have happened in the past, because then, things wouldn't have aggravated.