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No officially released instrumental OST yet?
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Welcoming 1.4M followers of LJG's IG
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1 hour ago, atgirlina said:
The sub shows that at the museum, the writing on the wall shows gwangjong was remembered as a good king. hae soo succeeded in her mission. Gwangjong was not a bloody king.
But i dont understand that killing? was what that? a purge?
Yes he is remembered as a good king but still his history is tainted with bloods here and there. Edit (thanks to @ruizaio): he was also written as bloody monarch. I still wonder if the history that Go Hajin knew before she went to Goryeo is the same as the history that she read in the museum, because if it is, then she failed in changing history.
Go Hajin's knowledge of Gwangjong until the rain ceremony: "He was a king who killed his brothers and his subjects. His brothers, nephews, and longtime subjects, they say he killed them all."
We know that GJ did kill his brothers: Eun and Won. He also killed his nephews (we know from YH) and longtime subjects (as Soo pictured in her mind). So basically the present GJ is just the same with GJ that Go Hajin knew. In that case, Go Hajin didn't change anything. Eventhough we as the audience know exactly the motive behind those killing but history wrote what appeared in the surface and he was remembered that way.
What we don't know is whether the history that Go Hajin knew also mentioned that GJ did many good deeds such as emancipation of the slaves. Human's mind tends to remember the negative thing than the positive one though, and Go Hajin seemed to not excel in history. But my theory is it didn't. The idea of justice and equality was planted by Soo in GJ's mind (like how YH said) and if only he never met Soo, I don't think he would care about the slaves, and thus he wouldn't be remembered as good king. In that way, Go Hajin did change the history.
My conclusion so far is Go Hajin did change the history by giving the idea of justice and equality that led to GJ's policy about the slaves (good king), but there were some things she couldn't change and stayed the same as the GJ she knew previously. Well, I may write more after some good pondering.
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5 hours ago, desvlo said:
It happened during the court men killing scene. Around 3:04
Ah thank you. I recognized that the facial expression were kinda the same between the premonition and the 'reality' (did it really happen anyway?) but because the background was different, I thought they were different.
Watching those scenes again, I just realized that the background of Soo's premonition during rain ceremony was misleading
SpoilerFirst picture is Soo's premonition when she fell unconscious after cutting her wrist; GJ's face is still blur here and the background is the palace. Second picture is Soo's premonition during rain ceremony; GJ's face is clear and the background is the place of rain ceremony (that's why I thought these two were different scene, but they're actually same). Third picture is the zoomed version of 2nd picture. And finally 4th picture: the 'reality'. So yeah, the sum up of picture 1, 2, and 3 come alive as picture 4. Finally the last premonition came real after Soo left GJ, exactly way very similar with her premonition.
So...Soo had failed in changing history? I still feel the need to ponder further because something feels not right. Damn writer, your expectation of the audience's IQ is way too high.
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37 minutes ago, junejungki said:
Woot!! Woot!! Which date is the actual airing date? 7/11 or 13/11?
Can someone confirm about this? I don't want to keep my hope high for nothing. I have trust issue with everything good about MLSHR.
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3 hours ago, MAROSA_JIN said:
DC
This was my last hope for happy ending, and well, the show just killed it.
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2 minutes ago, keiko9 said:
I realized we didn't get to see the scene where Hae Su first saw a glimpse of future Gwangjong at the rain ritual. Was it something I missed or was it a deleted scene again?
I was waiting for that scene too, that was the only premonition of her that didn't come true. Wonder why.
I also wonder if the vision of GJ killing the court men actually happened or it was just Soo's imagination of the ruthless GJ.
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I re-read the posts in this thread during the airing of eps 20 LOL it's amazing to see how emotionally tortured we were (or should I say we are?) along this journey of MLSHR yet we chose to stick till the end (and beyond). MLSHR always negates our expectation and mostly not in a good way. When we thought that the ending couldn't be sadder than C-BBJX or the novel, the show gave us a hard slap on the face and proved that it was very capable of the ultimate tragic ending. When I thought that we would have one last time of Sun Hae Im's song played for Soo's death, it was actually played TWICE, and the second time was equally heartbreaking, if not more. This show was always beyond expectation but not in a good way. And we're forever bound to this misery because they chose to not give us proper closure.
But do I regret for letting myself fall into what seems to be never ending misery? No. I'm forever grateful for the day I found some random still pictures from MLSHR eps 1-4 on FB and decided to give this drama a try, the first K-drama I watch in 10 years it seems. I'm grateful that I chose an unusual drama with all its flaws and charms instead of a normal K-drama. Because of this drama, I found LJG, I found friends in DB and Soompi, put my hand in creating FMV for the first time ever, etc. I lost some stuffs in RL, but I gained just as much that I don't regret anything.
These past 2 months journey is bittersweet. The whole MLSHR is bittersweet. Like WS, we're given only handful of everything; handful of information, handful of happiness, handful of hope, handful of romance in the sea of angst. But because they're only handful, I come to treasure every good moments knowing that they would end soon. There is no happy ending, only small, scattered moments of happiness. I think we're all aware of this since the beginning. We see everytime WS was given a chance to be happy, life would hit him 1000x harder that his small moment of happiness could hardly compensate. We sympathize with WS so much that his happiness is our happiness, his sadness is our sadness, which is why we're doomed because WS is such a tragic character. Keeping our feeling bound to his is never a good idea but we're willing to take this roller coaster ride anyway. It was an exhausted journey but I'm satisfied that I could keep going till the very end. I may not watch any K-drama in the time being (though I will consider LJG's upcoming drama) because nothing can really replace MLSHR yet.
Thank you all eclipses, for the recaps, beautiful pics and vids, information, analysis, or simply just one line comment. The journey is more meaningful because of you guys here. I will still lurk and post here till my withdrawal syndrome gets resolved (is it even possible? LOL)
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1 minute ago, moonlover399993 said:
Oh boy LJG filming a web drama Six First Kisses
All these handsome oppas, one TOUGH DECISION for a girl, haha!! I'm sorry but LJG ALL THE WAY!She better make a wise choice, all the women will be jealous of her.Chaebol and church oppa Wang So
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Hmm LJG said on the dinner with the casts long time ago that the drama will be healing and happy. But on the last fanmeeting, he said that the ending would be sad, then retorted that it could either be sad or happy. I can't help but thinking that what he meant by happy was because he knew there would be So-Soo meeting in modern life. But when the last eps was to be aired, he knew that the happy meeting scene was cut off, therefore he said the ending would be sad.
Now I wonder if they're gonna give us that scene. LJG's latest IG post (what is SOON!!???) keeps me hopeful and being hopeful with MLSHR is never, never a good thing. I haven't learnt my lesson for these 2 months, have I?
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Re-watched eps 20 last night for the second time and still had ninja chopping onion nearby
I think my mom starts to suspect that something's wrong with me because everytime she looks at the TV screen, she always finds me watching the same drama over and over. She actually joined me watching a bit, and her first comment was "Is this person (LJG) man or woman? He has the eyes and lips of a woman, even more beautiful than the girl (IU)."
LJG's beauty is universal.
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8 minutes ago, Ainee Etp said:
Thank you thank you.. i do deeply believe that the eclipse did something to ws. And it was during the eclipse he said he will find her. As history noted, gj contracted sudden illness and died within days. Maybe he had just vanished altogether. Yh will see this disappearance as a threat (clan will come up to claim as regent while the king's fate in unknown) so she will spread the story that gj had died of illness and had passed the throne to her son.
One tiny thing though.. gj will be 51 at the final scene with eclipse LJG looks awfully too good as someone who aged 51.
He and Baekah could possibly be vampire in disguise. Wook was the same age with So and we see how old he was and well, he had passed away. Both So and Baekah were stuck in their 20s/30s LOL
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16 hours ago, Ainee Etp said:I like your hypothesis. This cheers me up a little considering "JM took on WS with him".
"Jimong knew that WS was going to die in the time of the second eclipse", is this historically true? Sorry I think someone put up a list of eclipse that happened during Goryeo, but I forgot whether the there's eclipse in the year that GJ died or not.
I do believe there's a hidden clue in WS's word "I will find you no matter where you are". It must meant something.
Okay your post made me browsed through Google and opened NASA website LOL
Interestingly, TOTAL (see how I emphasize) solar eclipse DID HAPPEN in year 941 (Go Hajin's arrival in Goryeo) and year 975 (Gwangjong's death). While solar eclipse actually happened every year (at least twice) in 10th century, it's interesting that in both year 941 and 975, there were 1 total and 1 partial solar eclipse each year. The solar eclipses that happened in the drama were TOTAL solar eclipse (so we just ignore the partial one), and very interesting again, if you look at the date when these real total solar eclipses happened historically, they fit
almostperfectly with the events in the drama when the total solar eclipses took place. (I don't get the exact data whether these solar eclipses were visible as TOTAL solar eclipse from Goryeo or not so let's just assume they were lol) I emphasize on TOTAL because with the amount of solar eclipse happening each year in the world, there is possibility that Goryeo people actually had some partial solar eclipses but they weren't significant and couldn't help time traveling it seems)Year 941 (Go Hajin's arrival in Goryeo) (NASA and WIkipedia)
SpoilerOn eps 1, we see after Go Hajin's drowning, So rode on his horse with total solar eclipse happening in the background. Then the scene shifted to him looking from the hill with the Kang people, and it was snowing. So that fits quite well with the date of the actual total solar eclipse, which was 21 November (late autumn or early winter snow).
Year 975 (Gwangjong's death) (NASA and Wikipedia)
SpoilerThe real Gwangjong's death was actually on 4 July 975, so it was slightly inaccurate with the date of the actual total solar eclipse because he should have been died the moment this eclipse occurred (10 August 975) LOL. But I assume the writer didn't really take into date detail of this historical fact. It could also be that the total solar eclipse GJ witnessed didn't happen on the year he died (like I said, practically every year got total solar eclipse happening in the world which might or might not be visible in Goryeo) but I don't think there was another total solar eclipse during his reign, because solar eclipse, moreover total (the sun totally disappeared) was very important in Goryeo history. Cited from the book "Astronomy: Traditional Korean Science" : Such thorough observations and records of solar eclipses were made because traditionally the sun was considered the symbol of the king and country, so many untoward events were considered important and were closely monitored. ...Eclipses were so important that any miscalculation in timing was treated as severe crime, punished in principle with the death penalty. I think if they got another total solar eclipse during his reign, it would be weird to have no saying about it. Also, JM chose to leave on that particular total solar eclipse. If the hypothesis of JM taking GJ to the future is true, then it made sense for him to leave in that particular total solar eclipse, knowing that historically GJ should have died that year. We never see how GJ died anyway, so it's open to all possibility.
I wrote on my previous post that the scene where GJ's face disappeared into the eclipse's shadow was similar to how Go Hajin disappeared into the very same eclipse shadow and found herself in Goryeo. If we assume that the second eclipse happened on the year he died, then he probably just died on that moment and his soul traveled to the future, just like Go Hajin did. That would make sense since I believe this is what the writer intended to do, hence like LJG said, there should be a scene where modern So and Soo meet.
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28 minutes ago, iloveknovela said:
It only means that he did not hear about HS having a baby otherwise he won't be surprised later that Jung had a child that age. WS is a quick thinker, we can tell, that is why he suspect something the moment Jung claimed it was his child. Seeing the hairpin only confirms his suspicion.
If he was aware they have a child, whether it is true or not, no reason for him ask later when he saw the child, if it is Jung's daughter? His question to Jung clearly indicates that he has no idea about HS having a baby. He even ask the age.
Why wonder if he had a slightest idea about HS being pregnant? If he does, he certainly would have confronted HS about it knowing that her marriage with Jung is just formality. Definitely, he would think it is his child.
Emm I don't get how he would have confronted Soo about the pregnancy because he just got the idea of Soo's love towards him (and thus impossible for Soo to have baby with Jung) the moment he read her letters, and that moment Soo had already died. He didn't have the slightest idea of her pregnancy when she left the palace, and before he read her letters, he assumed it was Jung's baby all the way. Also, we must remember that Jung asked the maid to tell everyone that the baby was stillborn. I believe that news also reached GJ, so eventhough after reading the letters he knew the baby was his, he thought it was stillborn. That's why he didn't confront Jung about the baby whereabouts.
Him asking Jung whether it was Jung's daughter was rhetorical. Like you said, from the moment he saw the little girl calling Jung as father, he had suspected that she wasn't his daughter. When he asked about her age, I believe his mind was spinning, remembering Jung-Soo convo about the baby, calculating the time span from the last time they had candle blown off (LOL) to that moment and concluding that everything fitted into one picture: she had to be his daughter. That hairpin served as the final confirmation.
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21 minutes ago, iloveknovela said:
Then he should have expected Jung have one. But he was surprised to know he had a daughter older than he expect. His reaction says otherwise.
It was before he read Soo's letters, remember? When he stalked Soo in Jung's place, he hadn't received and read any letters yet, hence he thought Soo betrayed him by having baby with Jung. After reading those letters, he knew that Soo only loved him and there was no way Soo would have baby with other man. Later on after Soo's death, he told Jung to remarry. That's why he was surprised to see Jung's daughter that big, because he could calculate the time span between when he told Jung to remarry till that moment. There was no way Jung could have a daughter that age from the re-marriage. Therefore he knew right away she wasn't Jung's daughter and Soo's hairpin on her hair confirmed his suspicion that the little girl was Soo's daughter with him.
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12 minutes ago, iloveknovela said:
I thought GJ heard Jung when he told HS that being out is not good for her baby, but it seems he didn't capture it. Well, it was their way to follow the C-version, so what can we do?
I assumed So thought that it was Jung's baby with Soo, that's why you can see how So's lips corner jerked upward a bit upon hearing about that baby. He had to think that Soo had betrayed him. Then when he eavesdropped their night's convo, he only heard the part where Jung asked Soo about his body (damn So, what were you doing all that time? a good walk around neighborhood?) and ofc that damn candle chose to go off exactly that moment LOL
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Just now, kiinn said:
No, please, don't. I'd rather he trap his soul into that huge hideous flat misleading painting, and crying out Hae Soo name every night. LOL
That's scary but hilarious LOL
I can imagine him crying out Soo's name just like he did when he stormed into Jung's place, and that happens every single night ROFL
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19 minutes ago, iloveknovela said:
Here is my take on that.
HS comes from the future and nowadays, we don't need a doctor to know if the person is pregnant or not. The woman knows coz their bodies can tell, like not having their period or some indications of early pregnancy. Of course we have to make an assumption that these two love birds were busy doing their job to make it happen.
Haha I will assume that Soo knew about the pregnancy herself too, but I need reassurance because I want to believe so badly that she did know and that she decided to leave So for the sake of their baby. That would redeem Soo for me.
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1 hour ago, glacial said:
For those confused, Soo was told about her baby when the doctor first checked her in the palace I think which is why when Wang Jung called for a doctor to check on her, she was nervous and she didn't want to get a check up, eventually he was shocked too that she's pregnant, the doctor couldn't feel the baby's pulse before because the pregnancy just happened but now it mustve been 2 months since then so he can already tell the baby is there. -- at one point i wondered if she had been honest to wang so that she wants to leave because of their baby and doesn't want to raise the kid in the palace and endanger it, maybe he would've understood and agreed. But then I realized, the old wang so would've understood, but gwangjong would've been like possessive about the child also and probably would never let her and the kid leave which is why she did what she did and overplayed CR's death and all.
I watched the SBS version and there was no mentioning about the baby at all. The doctor only told her about her knee and heart palpitation problem, and that she didn't have long life expectancy. Plus when she collapsed after witnessing CR's death, the doctor told GJ about Soo's illness but didn't mention about the pregnancy. I assume when the doctor checked her that time, either she wasn't pregnant yet or it was too early. My theory is when she left the palace, she had the doctor checked her condition once again (not shown to the audience) and was told about her pregnancy. But then that would make the theory of her leaving for the sake of her baby invalid. Gah I'm so confused...
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I just realize that we have lost forever the chance of knowing:
1) What was the real Soo doing in the royal bath? What was she doing in the water? Was it accident or suicide? CR was the one who knew about the cave but why did she take Soo there?
2) Why did Queen Yo hate So so much? The level of hate was unbelievable, and we know it was more than because of the scar. She hated him just the same way when his scar was covered, and knowing her ambition to be queen mother, he must hate him so much to not accepting that title when his son finally became a king. What's the reason?
3) Was GHJ actually drown in that lake? Her encounter with JM, was that real or a dream? If it was real, then can we assume that the time speed was different so 10 years in Goryeo was equal to only few seconds or minutes in modern time? Thus she was drown but saved (and that was when her soul returned to the future) and she forgot it all (just as her dying wish) but her subconscious retained those memories and they came back through her dream? And JM only pretended to be beggar to bring GHJ back to the past? Did he hold the key to bring people back and forth the future? Lol
How I wish to get into the writer's mind. So many questions left unanswered.
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One question is still bothering me: when did Soo exactly realize that she was pregnant? And since when her action was driven by this knowledge ? Is it before or after CR's death? The writer did a good job in misleading us about Soo that most of us despised her action towards So. But now that we know the reason was her baby, the question is when? Can we take that Soo actually accepted So's reason for killing CR right away and her plea for Jung and the rest of her action were solely for saving her baby?
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So when I was on the plane to Japan, I randomly listened to non-MLSHR OST songs in my gallery to distract me from MLSHR. But when I listened to the lyric of this song, I couldn't help but feel this suit So's feeling towards Soo really well
Your Guardian Angel
by: The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
When I see your smile
Tears run down my face I can't replace
And now that I'm strong I have figured out
How this world turns cold and it breaks through my soul
And I know I'll find deep inside me I can be the one
I will never let you fall (let you fall)
I'll stand up with you forever
I'll be there for you through it all (through it all)
Even if saving you sends me to heaven
It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.
Seasons are changing
And waves are crashing
And stars are falling all for us
Days grow longer and nights grow shorter
I can show you I'll be the one
I will never let you fall (let you fall)
I'll stand up with you forever
I'll be there for you through it all (through it all)
Even if saving you sends me to heaven
'Cause you're my, you're my, my, my true love, my whole heart
Please don't throw that away
'Cause I'm here for you
Please don't walk away and
Please tell me you'll stay, whoa, stay, whoa
Use me as you will
Pull my strings just for a thrill
And I know I'll be okay
Though my skies are turning gray
I will never let you fall
I'll stand up with you forever
I'll be there for you through it all
Even if saving you sends me to heaven- 12
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16 minutes ago, shinaabby said:
I dont kno if anyone mentioned this but I was confused at a certain part of the finale. During the time when WS took HS's ashes and left BA and Jung, Jung pulled out something. I think it was a mirror or a hairpin? Idk I may have to rewatch it. BA told Jung "you didn't actually..." And "how foolish of you." BA then hugged crying Jung. Exactly what happened? What did Jung do? I was left confused at this. Hopefully one of you guys will explain to me... thank you!
It was Soo's court lady hairpin that she used to scratch her neck when So forced to come into her room to find Jung. Jung was touched on how Soo protected him and kept that hairpin. Baek seemed to just realize Jung's feeling towards Soo when he saw him crying and holding that hairpin.
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I'm refreshing this pages because withdrawal syndrome still holds me down. Things I'm stil curious are:
1. Who painted those paintings in the museum? I understand if the palace artist painted the scene of So at the rain ceremony and GJ, but who the heck could see and paint the moment Soo followed Wook's footsteps at the snowfield? And Jung's fight against the bad guys? And Soo's comedic action with Taejo? Soo didn't even see some of the scenes that flashed in her flashback so how come she had memory of those?
2. The shadow of eclipse on GJ's face and how his face just disappeared in the shadow. So what's the purpose of that eclipse? Was that the moment where Soo's (and JM's?) soul traveled back to the future? And eventhough GJ witnessed that eclipse, it didn't do anything to him? The last time the drama showed us a character (Go Hajin) dissappearing into the shadow of eclipse, she found herself in different era. So when GJ disappeared into the shadow, what is it supposed to mean? I wanna believe that his soul did time travelling too, but then the scene where Baekah left him is supposed to be after the eclipse right? Or before? I'm really confused with the sequence of events.
3. GJ wiping off the concealer. Some said that it was because he wanted to go back to his happier times when he had that scar and mask. But Soo loved him as both So and GJ, with/without scar and mask. She painted him in both version, she imagined sitting with So as GJ, and the final flashback had So as scarless GJ too. I feel like there is deeper meaning to that scene.
Sorry for a long post lol. MLSHR always gets me overthinking even till the very last eps. Daebak.
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I'm listening to the OST (yes I like to torture myself) and I remember someone in this thread asked which OST we would prefer for their meeting in the future.
We were so hopeful for happy ending that it hurts so much right now.
I will give all of my savings to purchase the DVD if it ever exists