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11 minutes ago, sosooyah19 said:
was this the first time he won a couple award?
there were two more times
arang and the magistrate
gunman in joseon
(nice to see u here, dear all- I am also watching live the sbs awards- it feels a little like the old exciting days of watching together live mlshr)
and here a video i discover with a laughing laughing LJG .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpKaj5VROQk
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15 hours ago, sublimelyheureuse said:
On a slightly different topic, has anyone checked out Goblin today? I have watched the first episode and I liked it, but I'm curious how other Eclipses might have reacted to the Goryeo scenes, in particular.
The crack factor with MLSHR is so high, that seeing how we all respond to new dramas is rather fascinating to me.
My overall take on Goblin: great repartee between the leads, far too many female deaths in the first hour, and a promising bromance. Addicted, though? Not yet. Still plenty of room in my mind and heart for MLSHR
I checked in here just to ask the same thing
( I took a time off from here in order to gather the last bits of my remaining discipline and finish my work)
My view on Goblin: exceptionally stylish, indeed great repartee between the leads, masterfully edited etc etc. So far, it is filmed/writen by the book (where the book is "how to film/write a masterpiece Kdrama in 2016".)
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My feelings/reactions while I was watching it: all the time I was picturing/applying scenes/techniques/dialogues in the context of MLSHR, mostly played by Wang So/LJG, e.g, when the general stripped himself of his armor in a blitzmovement, I spontaneously thought Wang So should have done this.In sum, comparing the concept/performance of the directors/writers of the two dramas, Goblin´s director and writer seem to perform way better than MLSHR´s- Goblin is very balanced: and maybe this is exaclty the reason, that though I enjoyed Goblin it does not grow in me like MLSHR. For me, one of the fascinating elements of MLSHR is exactly that it is (or, rather seems) unbalanced. One moment was tacky, the other was elegant, one moment was dull and then bum! etc etc. Regarding this aspect, MLSHR is once again more close to real life.
So, though I recognize the shortcomings of MLSHR (if the dialogues were wittier, if the editing was smoothier, if this and that blah blah), I still consider MLSHR the most interesting, captivating Kdrama I watched ( and I watched plenty). The analogy I can find from film industry/culture is that I hold MLSHR dear the same way Hitchcock´s hardcore fans hold dear his flops "vertigo" and "marnie".
p.s:Dear all, I miss us. Maybe we should form a transnational fangroup, with e-meetings and (why not?) rl-meetings where we can indulge to cosplay, and other, MLSHR related, activities. (martial arts, chrysanthemon tea brewing, hairpins contests, poisoning rivals etc etc )
@ruizaiothank you for the info.
editing: and of course, no other drama (Goblin included) than MLSHR offers LJG´ s performance as Wang So.
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20 hours ago, Uniform Victory said:
Maintaining certain persona as an artist, I think is a good thing and required in their profession. What's more important is what he is in the inside. I thought he is a genuine person. His passion in anything he does is also very attractive.
The persona always bears traits of the person itself
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To my eyes, LJG seems like a source of warm energy and strength. I totally agree that his passion makes him so attractive. Therefore he could bring in life this (phenomenal) WS. LJG attributes could find expression through WS`s life. Maybe I idealize him, but this is my feeling.
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8 hours ago, kiinn said:
BA's line was actually: 'Look around Goryeo, family connection are everything.' Yet, the subtitle was: 'Look around Goryeo, ero books are everywhere.' I almost fell from my chair.
really? At least, in the subbed versions I watched that was not the case- Btw, how it comes and the are different subtitles? I am somehow puzzled that in a pre-produced drama (in the case of MLSHR; "universal" were also among the producers, at least financially) the english subtitles are not already delivered along with the drama itself.
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4 hours ago, Sharine Phinisia said:
Despite craving for a different ed, i am not too eager for the prospect of 2nd season; it would simply burst the bubble (and that 'sequel' jinx), a special ep will be enough, a film will be too much to ask for (still a better idea than 2nd season... all the juicy parts will be given to us straight)
as i already said I like the end: it is elegant and I considered it a happy ending: everything returned to its place: this can also mean that feellings and memories were restored. HS/GHJ remembered her lover, WS understood that HS loved only him etc etc .For me this is already a "happy end" considering that WS could end up with the bitterness of being fooled. I am also convinced that WS meets HS/GHJ in her present time, and he is "our" WS, with the memories and the feelings we know. My convinction is based on reasons already pointed out here by different eclipsers; plus that no matter how realistic MLSHR was (in the aspect that in real life the "good" is not rewarded and the "evil" is not punished, or that despite our will/desires we are the constant result of our encounters that, mostly, are not a product of choice) it is after all also a fantasy story: and that means that yes! WS is able to find his Soo even in a different world.
But since I cannot have enough of MLSHR, I would like one or two episodes, or even a film that would depict moments of SoSoo in Goryeo and interactions with other characters. I would like more of SoSoo, and more of everyone ( except WW, I had enough) . In the case of a film, it could start with their meeting in modern world ( the handkerchief scene).In this life WS is an archaeologist/historian-expert on Goryeo`s early era politics (who can do this better than him?) with an Indiana Jones attitude. The moments of their past life in Goryeo: e.g, what they did/said when HS was delivering him his dinner during his residence to WW house, or did she ever found out that he was the only one who deciphered her emoticon ( I always get upset thinking that HS credited WW with this), or more scenes between So and his brothers etc etc; these scenes can be given as flashbacks while they are in the quest for something from goryeo ( maybe a seal, or a document or whatever) . In short, I would love to have a sequel of MLSHR as a k-version of "raiders of the lost arc" . It would be a win win for all, since it combines past (sageuk) and present (an action character in modern times) : LJG wants to do an action movie and play a modern character. Many of his fans wants him in a sageuk. .-
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1 hour ago, phenyl said:
it a bit off topic.
is it legit?anyone please share ur opinion.
my opinion: the only clue is given about if it is legit or not is the record of their previous activities. Maybe it is not enough, but I would trust them, based on the simple logic that since I do not really know, I have only one option: to make a blind decision. And when it comes to blind decisions,usually I prefer to risk acting than not. After all, to trust what you do not know it can also mean that basically you trust yourself being capable to manage/cope with even the "bad" outcome of your decision.
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12 minutes ago, smitten1710 said:
HI @churasan do you know that the role of Lee Min-ho in Faith was originally for Lee Joon Gi? But our Oppa had to turn down the offer because he was in the military service. I wonder if Faith had a good result in ratings. I watched Faith, liked it but it didn't leave a deep impact on me like MLSHR.
If I remember correctly the ratings were not so good, at least there were not what they expected for in relation to the big budget of the production.-
I think Faith was also a preproduced production, something rather rare back then.The director-producer ( Kim Jong Ha) in 90´s had directed "Sandglass" one of the most highrated (65% !) kdramas ever. However, Faith was/is considered as domestic flop, reaching an average of 10%. ( I just checked the ratings). The aftermath was a financial disaster for the director/producer: he couldnt pay the cast, members of the cast sued him.On top of that he was accused of empezzlement, and finally he commited suicide.
I was deeply fascinated by the drama when I watched it ( maybe a year ago), and, though I superliked LMH`s general Choi Young, now having seen LJG´s Wang So, I couldn´t help to imagine how LJG would deliver Choi Young (and the comparison always favored LJG)
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130723000715
http://mwave.interest.me/en/kpop-news/article/41608/faith-cast-rush-to-pay-respects
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18 hours ago, hiluna said:
I think that if So knew the truth behind her reason for leaving him, he would have set her free. The reason she gave him for wanting to leave him didn't make sense to him. So thought it was because of CR and that she didn't understand the politics of what had to be done. It was only after the past relationship between her and Wook came to light that he didn't have the confidence to keep her with him and pushed her away. Freedom was important to both of them and I think he would have in the end set her free because he did love her unconditionally as shown by his past actions.
since soo wanted it, So would let her go in any case. Remember the scene between So and Jung as the latter shows him Yo´s decree. The escalation: Initially So laughs at him saying it is fake, Jung argues that So cannot question the decree without jeopardizing his legitimation to the thone, then So plays the card of "possession", Jung answers that Hae Soo is neither his wife nor his concubine.So insists that he wiil not allow it, and then Jung brings the heavy artillery "I already informed the ministers". That was a political manoeuvre. So, in miliseconds, calculates the political turmoil that a conflict over HS´s marriage would provoque, and decides (as Taejo once said:one has to find an excuse to prevent something to happen) to order Jung´s arrest for violating his exile, as an excuse to avoid political complications since the ministers would be involved. And before finishing his phrase, ´Jung calmly, almost softly, dropes the nuclear bomb :"Hae Soo wants it" And So stops thinking, he rushes to Hae Soo to ask her if she really wants it etc etc .
My point is that So, no matter what he was saying, in the end always he was doing what HS wanted. When he became king, he worried for her because now she was more exposed to dangers in the palace, and he was not nearby to protect her, so he tried -clamsy, it is true- to built a golden, dangerproof cage around her, but HS was not a bird. She always did what she wanted, (she sent for Jung when his mother was dying, she sent help to CR ´s family despite JM´s warned her that the king would be annoyed, "the king would not object" she answered etc). If So didn´t discussed with her in prior about CR´s punishment, it was because he knew that in the end she would have convinced him not to do so. But he had to punish CR in this cruel way, in order to give an example to Daminewon´s staff. Therefore he decided not to tell her.
Wook was giving empty promises to HS, So was giving her empty threats. He couldn´t live without her, he couldn´t let her go:that night before the break up, he was even thinking to leave the throne when YH gave him the "excuse": Wook was the -once- rival. "Why him of all the people?" ( why not, you dummy: it was so obvious, everybody could see it except you, you who could see everything else except this). He let her go, because now -after her stern refusal to lie to him about Wook- he is convinced that she let him go, that she threw him away. (one of the symptoms of the MLSHR withdrawal syndrom´s is that in the middle of the night you start talking to the characters)
@40somethingahjumma there is unconditional love, but it presupposes emancipated, strong persons.This is also a condition. But it is the one and only condition for unconditional love.edit: @40somethingahjumma I just saw your farewell note. So, farewell untill the next time : ))
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5 hours ago, misspiggie said:
*Don't know when HS invented the BB Cream, so I'm just gonna use the Wang Sub established year in our posts earlier just now.
942 - probably summer ( the dought). (king taejo was still alive -he died on 4th july 943, at least the actual King Taejo)
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49 minutes ago, Umi_ni_Sora said:
So...I just placed an order for SoSoo's hairpin. I must be insane, but I have no regrets. xD
not at all insane- or, I am insane too .I want to order one too. Can I message you to give me a link?
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2 hours ago, wenlhy said:
Just watched LJK fans meeting for last episode, he said he's more drawn to YeonHwa during acting, and HaeSoo during watch the drama. So does it mean he prefer YeonHwa in real life than Hae Soo?????? Why? Why? Why?
No, it means he is gentleman
. Plus, I think he wanted to stress that to be strong (he said that YH was a strong character) and active is better than let yourself being victimized. I think, it was a spontaneus, indirect, totally feministic, message to his fans.
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8 hours ago, Sharine Phinisia said:
the beginning,
and the ending.
Speculation : 1st episode: The devasted, betrayed GHJ says to modern JM :"I want to sleep for 1000 or 100 years. ..I want to forget everything.." then she goes back 1000 years plus, and as her Goryeo body dies, she (now as HS/GHJ) says again "I will forget you; I will forget all of you, even in my dreams". A circle: she starts from the point/need/desire: "I want to forget everything" and she ends up to a similar point: "I wiil forget all of you" . She returns back to her time, but apparently to a new life, a new "fate": she does not seem to have any sorrows about debts. So, technically her first wish (as GHJ) was granted: she lived a different life.
Now that she remembers everything that she, as HS, wanted to forget, maybe a new circle is about to open, or it opens already; and definitely JM was there not only to activate HS´s memory, but to set the new circle in motion. If HS was simply an instrument to put the course of history back to its tracks, then JM would have no reason to appear, since HS´s "mission" was accomplished. JM was not there out of compassion for HS; even if he was fond of her, he can restrain his sentimentalism and compassion as long as it does not serve or it hurts the "greater cause".So he was there to activate a new travel time. ("Beam me up, JiMonghy!") Maybe is no WS who has to come in 2016; maybe HS has to go to another era, past or future, in order to meet him.
p.s: @tinniet nice to meet you "patpat" : I read your theory about HS´s impact when @kdramawriter posted it here. I really loved and enjoyed your remark on the connection of HS ´s wristcut and her premonitions, and your idea about the two different histories. Imo, what we have as "facts" in the drama fits to those two ideas perfectly. I couldn´t fully share though certain conclusions you drew, but back then ( ages ago as you say) when I read it, I was on the road for long, so I couldn`t react. Now, I see you have revised some parts.Till now, I didn´t have the time to read carefully your new post, but when I do it, I would like very much to discuss with you my view. Thanks again, for those very very awsome remarks- for me it was a boost! -
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11 hours ago, makino92 said:
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why the ajummas were chasing after her ? From what GHJ said to JM (and later, as HS to lady Hae) regarding her ex-boyfriend and her financial debts, I assume that her ex-boyfriend scammed those ajummas (a pyramide scheme scam maybe?) using GHJ as front(wo)man . As frontman, GHJ was legally liable to pay back those ajummas who were scammed. Obviously she couldn`t pay (her ex took all her savings and her house, along with the money of those ajummas), therefore the ajummas were chasing her. Of course, HS had nothing to do with the scam, she was also scammed and betrayed.
The issue of financial debts is mentioned also in relation to original HS. In the first days of "our" HS in Goryeo, CR is asking her why she was so late outside ( the night the original HS had the accident that resulted to her death). And she wonders if HS was out to meet a guy or it was something that had to do with her debts from gambling. (I don´t remember in which version appears this dialogue, though I think the first 3 episodes had one version). Anyway, "our" HS was rather shocked hearing that HS either was involved with a guy, either was gambling. So, it would be good if we had at least a scene explaining something more about the original HS. Because if she was also in debts and in a destructive relationship like the modern GHJ, then the link between HS and GHJ becomes more significant for GHJ´s travel to Goryeo and her hosting in HS ´s body. .
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5 hours ago, penforella said:
Guys on episode 17 So asked Soo to tell him a story, then he said "We're nowhere near a thousand yet." Is that in reference to 1001 arabian nights/stories? Does anyone know?
yes!or at least, I think so
. I was about to write about this something baroque like "intertextuality in MLSHR"-but, thank gods I am too lazy, so I am glad that you mentioned it. So, yes I think it is a reference to the 1001 nights. And if it is so, then it is a common element of the two eras/worlds (Ws world and Hs world).
The story-fairytale of Secherazade (who marries the hurted/emotionally scarred King in order to save the girls, and postpones her own execution with stories succeeding in the end to heal emotionally the king) was known in Asia already in 6th century. This story was the frame for a collection of fairytales. In the form of "1001 nights" it is product of the modern world (i think 18th century when Galland gathered the stories)-
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2 hours ago, shamael said:
As far as I can tell, the timeline was all over the place in the second part of the finale - in both version.
WS & HS's daughter is supposed to be born around 952.
Queen Heonjung was born around 966. Wang Chi, her brother, was born in 960. So, when WW speaks about "the children" it is supposed to be around 969 for he died in 969 - BA's visit happens around his time of death - and the girl is not a baby.
The problem is it is referred to Ju's birthday in two instances in the international version and, as there is no sense of time in visual narration, our brain automatically links the two to create the timeline. So we assume - really it is totally normal - it is the same moment in time as it should be but if it is then WS & HS's daughter should be around 17 and GJ 44, but at the time YH speaks of the reforms as if it is something on going or at least quite new which would put it around 960.
And we should not forget that the actual Baek Ah, whose precise birthdate is unknown, is estimated to have been born somehwere between 936 to 943.(King Taejo married Baek Ah´mother in 935, and he died in 943). So, the whole existence of our" Baek Ah is a product of creative liberty. And probably the same liberty was applied to his bride-to-be.
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On 4.11.2016 at 7:30 AM, Sharine Phinisia said:
And don't forget IU too! she got balls for taking this project in the first place... and having LJG as her co-star... many people mention her and Baekhyun's acting as one of the cause of the flop of this drama... but despite several scenes that felt awkward, her depth and zap in every gestures and scenes with So always caught me by surprise.
It's kinda sad to see many discrediting comments that questioned her capability as the main heroine that's supposed to be the anchor of the drama...
IU was the perfect match for WS/LJG. Visually, they are the epitome of harmony and grace.And indeed, she was brave and confident enough to take the project: imo, LJG outshined all his partners (with the exception of Shin Min-ah maybe) untill now. Furthermore, IU`s presence was a plus for WS´s charm: they were like the visualisation of a "perfect pitch" together.
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15 hours ago, tinniet said:
There'a a theory by @fengari that Baekah was the one who did the painting. After GJ realized that Soo wasn't from the same world with him (and somehow knew she was from the future) he decided to send her message by asking Baekah to visit all the remaining princes and put their best memory with Soo into painting. That's why there were painting of Soo following Wook's footstep in the snowfield, Jung protecting Soo from the bad guys, and Eun's birthday. Baekah also painted So's most defining moment: the ritual and the rain ceremony, and him standing alone in the palace. GJ knew these paintings would be preserved and make their ways to the future. That's the only way for him (and the princes) to remind her of them.
Now that I write this, I think JM did the right thing by reminding GHJ about her time in Goryeo, eventhough I initially thought he was cruel........... As much as Soo deserved happiness, she also deserved to remember because that life in Goryeo was a piece of her life too. Her entire time in Goryeo, though mostly sad, also had some happy moments she would like to treasure. How it feels to wake up and know that something's missing but have no idea what it is? Now at least she understood. Of course it would be very nice if she met the modern So too after this realization, which should have happened according to LJG.
@may6 indeed, the "lonely WS" painting can be Baek Ah ´s message to HS.I prefer to think that either it is WS either that WS is aware of this certain gesture of Baek Ah. Of course, it is equally plausible that the whole thing was only Baek Ah idea. He wanted to record all the happy moments of the "family" where HS is included, Because those paintings are like a family album*: the games of the princes, Eun birthday´s song moment (in this very painting we can see also WS and YH who were apart from the others, and since those two were not visible to the other brothers, we can assume that the person who gave to Baek Ah the whole picture of that moment was WS). However, I tend to believe that WS asked Baek Ah to prepare this family album, with memorable moments for and of HS. Why? Because in episode 19 WS poses for his portrait (not as a king, not in his throne) and he stresses to the painter "-You have to draw me to look the same. I need it to feel like they are looking to me even by looking at the drawing.I have someone to give it to". And by someone he meant HS. His words shows that he believed in the power of a picture, that a portrait can somehow be a substitute for the real thing. So, if he believed so, then he also needed those paintings with HS moments; not only as legacy to HS, but also for himself: on the one hand, in order to relive those moments, on the other hand to know more about HS. Shortly, to have her by his side at least through her pictures.
*In the same way, the stones where HS drew the portraits of the princes were the pages of her "family album".
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2 hours ago, briseis said:
But that whole "CONSUMATION" is illogical and it makes absolutely no narrative sense whatsover. It ruins So's whole character development . THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REACTION FROM WS AFTERWARDS! WS has had always strong reactions because he feels so much and cares so much, even after he killed those monks he suffered from guilt, after he learned about BA leaving his side,…BUT NOW THERE IS NOTHING.
(I couldn´t agree more with your argument). That the red veil-like curtain drops, like a theater curtain, when YH accepts WS deal does not mean/signifie consummation. The red veil-curtain was the "leitmotif"´- in the form of an object- of Queen Yoo, representing her complotting character .Now, YH fills Queen Yoo´s shoes, so this "leitmotif" (along with the bathpool) passes "as inheritage" to her character. In this scene, YH is crossing the line of betrayal/complot (she is betraying her brother and her family plotting against them) so the red veil curtain has to be there and has to drop as a final curtain to her previous life as sister and daughter. Now, she is totally a "Queen Yoo".
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21 hours ago, dramu51ch0c10ve said:
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1.I know someone explained this before but why did Jung hide HaeSoo's letter in his envelope?Is it because having similar handwriting as a king could mean forgery and one will be punished?
2........ because it made me do things I have never done before.I signed up and met you guys.I participated in group projects and religiously streamed each episode live.It's madness. ..........I will really miss the hype around this drama.
1. I was thinking the same: that Jung feared it might seem suspicious, e.g an attempt of forgery.Besides, in the past HS and WS ´s political rivals spread rumors that HS is a spy. In any case, WJ tried to protect HS.
2. same case here
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1 hour ago, keiko9 said:
? - Wook diedWook died in 969
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1 hour ago, Ainee Etp said:
One tiny thing though.. gj will be 51 at the final scene with eclipse LJG looks awfully too good as someone who aged 51.
There is simple solution for this annoying detail: WS´s soul will be hosted by the body of a 30 year old chaebol (same figure as the WS we know) who would die in a car (ferrari) accident- when ws wake up in this body, he would be "our" ws plus his trademark scar obtained by the car accident.
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5 minutes ago, Ange Ng said:
Are these leaked pictures of modern Wang So?? The very same scene that's meant to be aired but didn't get aired?
https://mobile.twitter.com/kdramabitch/status/785431643779510272?s=09
Lee Jun Ki wore this same outfit to his fan meet! I don't know how to upload images here so you guys will have to click on the link.
and the ferrari (what else than a car with a prancing horse as brandlogo) in the first first photo, is the modern WS´s horse, I presume.It makes sense, but it is somehow boringly predictable.
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39 minutes ago, briseis said:
Me after watching ALL 20 episodes of this “TOUCHING” drama that was supposed to bring me happiness:
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( I took a time off from here in order to gather the last bits of my remaining discipline and finish my work)
why the ajummas were chasing after her ? 
It's kinda sad to see many discrediting comments that questioned her capability as the main heroine that's supposed to be the anchor of the drama...
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happy new year, @tinniet don´t be sad. LJG´s Wang So is beyond the short-sighted policy of SBS awards where obviously the only horizon is ratings. And at least, it is nice, as it is already said, that the international fans efforts have been taken in consideration.
I feel somehow embarassed on behalf of LMH and KWR- I consider LMH a good actor, but his character in LOTBS is not comparable to Wang So´s character. And about the KWR´s character in Doctors, I dropped the drama on episode 13 I think: it was too embarrasing to watch it.
So, do not be sad. Wang So, LJG is resilient- he will turn the things on his favor.
Happy new year to all of you who have enter in 2017.
I am still in 2016 (at least for the next 5.30 hours)