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  1. 11 minutes ago, NitaA said:

    I don't mind even if Soo died in the end as long as she could die in his arm. And he would have the opportunity to tell her everything will be okay and that his love is as big as the universe. I guess this was what I was hoping to happen that make a difference from the C-version. When all hell broke loose; Soo gave up on waiting for him and wanted to forget everything, So went nuts running for her only to find her urn, and Jung (who I came to respect for the way he was willing to sincerely take care of her till the end) broke down in pieces, I started to wonder who would made the decision to  make those 2 billions viewers' life as miserable as those characters and thinking this is good idea? 

    Still hoping for a bit of closure. Many thanks to you guys who were able to bring some laughs through lighthearted funny comments. 

    It's just like Romeo and Juliet - how very different the story would have been if the messenger got to him on time to tell him Juliet wasn't really dead... We know its a doomed love story like our MLSHR but we keep watching it year after year :( That's the real tragedy - the potential of all the things that could have been if So had read even one of the letters, if something else happened... Moral lesson I learned from MLSHR: Don't ever disregard an email or text message - You never know if you're about to unleash an epic tragic story of what-ifs, ands, and buts!

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  2. And this is a rather silly observation in light of the death and pain Soo and So (and pretty much everyone else in the drama) experienced, but this is one of the few sageuks I've seen where characters actually eat the delicious food and drinks set for them? :P I'm always so hungry watching the dramas and wondering why they won't give me the food if they don't want it???

    And while we're on the matter of the food - no Subway??? I missed them in MLSHR - I mean since Soo set up her make-up counter in Goryeo, nothing was holding her back from opening a Subway branch too :)

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  3. 1 minute ago, sosooyah19 said:

    i was actually typing moon chae won, but not even her, (IMHO) she cant look 16... i had in mind the other 'Moon' GY (but doubt chemistry until i see one sageuk with him).. but HS's IU tops it for me... because she looked good with LJG side by side (i think they still do some chemistry check.. hehehe)

    I forgot about her! :P Chemistry with LJG I don't know but epic tragedy of heroine - I think she could pull it off (as in 'Sado'' where she played Crown Princess married to Crown Prince Sado)

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  4. 10 minutes ago, sosooyah19 said:

    yeah, i cannot think of anyone else play HS (oh i think there's one hahahaha), i was happy they selected her so i could see how she'll pull this... she was so pretty in here.. you cannot see her as an Idol or as a singer in here..

    :) There was one other person - I was thinking Moon Chae Won (as in her performance from The Princess' Man), but you are right, its hard to think of anyone other than Lee Ji Eun as Hae Soo... :)

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  5. 8 hours ago, wenlhy said:

    Completely agree, although IU acting is not impressive at first, but I really can't imagine if Hae Soo was acted by other actress and I can't think of other actress who is suitable for this role. Hae Soo character need look youthful and mature as well. Hwang Jung Eum was rumored to play Hae Soo character, I think she look too mature for young Hae Soo on earlier episode,

    IKR? IU is one of the few actresses who can successfully pass for a 16 year old and then a 30-something year old in the space of a few months! :)

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  6. 2 minutes ago, penelop3 said:

    There should be one. But I didnt know the links. 

    I'm almost halfway marathon MLSHR - still at the happy part. How I wish things were different. But progress takes time. 
    Soo takes time understanding So and finally loving So. So takes time realizing his love for Soo. 
    Wook.. Wook is always Wook, Amazingly, he made empty promises even from Ep 4 - and would continue to do so. 
    And I love it how the song Nae Saram played even in the early episode, Ep 2, the part where Soo met So in Damiwon's bathing place. It hinted out the relationship of So and Soo. 

    Looking back, So's vow to his mother: "Today is the day you will remember. You threw me away, Mother. However, I will not leave. From now on, you will have to look only at me." - a vow that only come to realization during his mother's death. 
    I was appalled at how cruel So has become when I watched that part. But watching this part in ep 4 makes me understand that why So act like that. So has been keeping this grudge, this love, this longing for a mother's love and recognition for so long, that he doesnt care if he takes it from his mother by force, and only in her deathbed. It finally happened, his mother finally looked at him and only him. I guess in the end, nobody understands him, not even Soo. 

    Anyway.. more watching to do!
     

    Heh! That's why Myung Hee will haunt him at the end :P - Promise and fail Wook!

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  7. 11 minutes ago, shamael said:

    I've never really been a fan girl, not girly enough I guess, but I'm a real fan girl of this fandom. I was almost squealing each time I saw that one of you was liking my posts. Thank you all for your appreciations. I've written more than I ever thought I would.

    I'll try brushing a subject I am really not that comfortable with. As I've already stated I'm not very good with feelings and I don't really understand the way girls think but while reading your comments I've had some thoughts bubbling - again sorry for the lack of coherence - about HS lack of understanding toward WS and other things... so here it is...

    HS is less understanding to WS BECAUSE she loves him, at least it is the way I understand it.

    The more you love someone the more hurt he can give you and the more hurt you are the less understanding you are.

    Strangely enough, HS’s understanding of WW’s « misgivings », for me, are the sign of her being totally over him. She’s fond of him but he can’t hurt her anymore. 

    She’d rather stay blind when it comes to him and CR because she wants to keep her memories of happy times intact. The time she spent at 8th’s mansion was her happiest and most carefree. She cannot destroy that. It’s her lost paradise. Whatever happened later can be forgotten only because she could hold to those happy times when the Princes where alive and acted friendly to each other.

    The rest she’d rather forget and ignore totally.

     

    Little aside here: the writer is very good at making multi-layered characters. WW and CR were both true to HS, it is just that on there list of priority she was not absolute number one. I think it is one of the reasons CR thinks that HS can understand her. She knows that HS was true to her but she does believe that when it comes to priorities, she would not be number one… and she might be true. I don’t really understand how HS ticks but I think that at some point everything revolves around her love to WS and the ideal she’s got for them, even the way she acts toward WS. I am not sure because I really don’t understand her that well but I think everything for her revolves around her feelings for WS - not WS as a person - and the idea she has of them - untainted love, I guess -, she wants to preserve them at all cost even at the expense of WS.

     

    I read somewhere that Love and Friendship are basically the same feeling. When it’s Love, you love more and when it’s Friendship, you love better. I think it applies pretty well to HS’s feelings. She loves her friends  better than WS. She can forgive them, understand them etc. 

    She loves WS more but where there is love there is hate and each time he hurts her as he is bound to because he is not perfect and he is the only one who can really hurt her, she hates him a little more and in a way I guess she loves him more too. Their feelings are so entangled that I’m sure she doesn’t even know what she is feeling any longer. 

    I think that WS has the heads up on her on that front thanks of his history with his mother and their complicated relationship. He definitely knows that love and hate coexist and hate is a component of love. He has never been able to stop loving his mother even - should I say especially - at the height of his hate. HS not so much.

    The problem of HS is that she wants to live in a fairytale happy ending where everything and everyone is perfect, where she only loves, not hates, where she feels only happy and content, never hurt. She’d rather not love than be hurt. She’d rather have a dull life as long as it LOOKS happy. It is totally in character. She never goes for what’s underneath she always stays at the surface BUT she does not take into account the fact that she loves WS to a point that she has already abandoned a lot of her values for him. Being in a relationship with someone is also about what you are ready to compromise, and the more you love the more you’re willing to compromise. I’ve always had a hard time understanding people who recent others for the choices they make but it happens often enough that I can acknowledge it does exist and is a current occurrence. HS is doing it here.

    Eventually she chooses to free herself from strong feelings - I understand her there - but it doesn’t work that way. Feelings remain if they have not disappeared beforehand. She only can have the illusion of peacefulness but at least she can trick herself into forgetting about hate and just remembering about love.

    Until she realizes that she is tricking herself. It is interesting to see that she seems content with her new life, alone with her memories until she suddenly realizes that it is not enough. As she realizes that the opposite of love is not hate, it is just one of its component and by actually abandoning WS she did the worst sin toward their love. I don’t say here that she was not right to leave, I do believe she should have left long before even becoming the King’s woman.

    There is an interesting motive about her hairpins. She stops waring WS’s hairpin when she decides to leave the palace - I know she doesn’t have it any longer but I think it is a way to say she’s letting go of him - then when WJ gives it back to her, she still doesn’t ware it at the beginning. After HS starts sending letters to WS, she does ware it again every day, apparently, which is in line with what she writes to him. She still loves him so she can not let him go, abandon him.

    All the misery came from the fact that they couldn’t abandon each other but weren’t free to just love each other either - at least it is what I understand from HS’s different monologues - there were external factors working against them just being lovers.

     

    I’m still a little bit surprised by HS’s reaction in present day, regretting and crying that she abandoned WS. Even with full knowledge of history and the whole picture, she wasn’t palace material and would have never been able to live or survive in the palace and WS being the insecure abandoned boy he was would have clung to her with dear life anyway - not speaking of the baby which needed to be delivered outside of the palace. Maybe she gives him more credit than me and thinks they could have reached an understanding if they hadn’t just thrown all the possible hurt at each other and made decisions in the worst possible instance.

     

    Hi @shamael! I think you're right - I also think that what appears to be her lack of understanding towards WS is just her expecting and hoping for him not to stoop to the depths that the people around him were at 'The punishment is too harsh - Are you also craving the throne like everyone else, which is why you had to marry Wang Mu's daughter' -  While everyone was looking to maximize their enemies' pain or kill them, she just wanted him to take the higher road and not become mired in blood. I feel that if they had talked honestly to each like other like they did at that point and resolved their differences that way, they would not have parted with such regret as they did. At least when Soo died he knew from her letters that she loved him deeply - She must have gone feeling totally hated - but at that point like Myung Hee she felt that it was okay for her to have loved him without the feelings returned (which we know is not true):cry:

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  8. I'm many days too late :) I'm sure, but I loved the ending :) It would be nice for So and Soo to meet again, but unless the reincarnated So remembered everything from the Goryeo dynasty and made that strong connection with Ha Jin in present day, then I think it would feel like an easy out for them to just meet with her memories alone. I also appreciate that Soo's actions were justified and not random in the penultimate episode- she had something to protect that she could give her life and love for (Her baby (telling the doctor 'As long as the baby is fine, I don't really care about myself')  and that's in contrast to the first episode where she declared emphatically that she wanted to live. Making Wang So a good king who had to make extremely difficult decisions for the sake of the well-being of the people and humanizing him was Ha Jin's reason for going back (who knows if Soo remained the real Soo she would have probably married Wook after Myung Hee died then perished in a bloody purge initiated by So?) and her newfound personality was able to accomplish all this... :) Even though it broke our respective hearts to see it play out...

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  9. 12 minutes ago, sosooyah19 said:

    hahahaha... my english was also killed with that So..

    i do not watch saguek until i move on from this or i might say 'what if LJG did this role?" etc etc..

    or might be seeing WS in all of his Sagueks like you ..

    LOL! Mine is anytime I hear 'Will be back" I'm always worried the Grim Reaper (Scheduler from 49 Days LOL) is around - Who is he going to take away now?? *Looks around nervously*

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  10. I'm just a mess today at work:

    Sample conversation:

    Normal person: Are we crying again? What happened this time?

    Me: (Putting up head from desk) - Love is dead? Love is painful? What's the point of everything if it's so painful???? :bawling: there's a baby - he doesn't know it's his (getting incoherent)

    Normal person coworker : Not again (shakes head) - Look, I'll give you my 10 free therapy sessions so this can stop - The drama is over, right? Please come back to us, we miss our friend! Snap out of it!

    Me: More hysterical weeping :( No!! 

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  11. 7 minutes ago, kdramawriter said:

     

    Sorry don't think so. GJ is definitely WS, but evolved to be much more ruthless. The moment when GJ told HS that she actually suggested a better torture for Wook (to be imprisoned in his home and to let his heart rot) for the rest of his life, his face turned totally evil. And that's when HS realized that GJ wasn't the person she fell in love with (WS). 

    Even to the point of making the deal with Woo Hee even though she was the love of his best brother's life - I understand a king has to make unsavory decisions, but that's rough. People close to the people you love becoming collateral damage :(

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  12. 11 minutes ago, moon_nebula said:

    I know probably 90% of the people here hate Hae Soo for hurting poor Wang So (or at least that is what I gather from all the posts), but I totally get where she is coming from. Sure, I feel sad for Wang So all the same, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame it all on Hae Soo. I have long accepted the fact that Hae Soo needs to leave the palace – for her sanity, for her health, for everyone’s happiness – and I truly believe it’s better for everyone. In a previous post I mentioned that Hae Soo and Wang So’s beliefs and values are very different; with such fundamental differences in values, it is hard to co-exist in a loving relationship. Hae Soo is too compassionate. Wang So is too cynical, too realistic. The two may love each other very much (and I still believe they do), but their personalities are actually way too extreme, on such far ends of the spectrum, that it’s hard to reach a middle ground where both can compromise.

    I think the writer built So’s character up so much as a selfless loving character for Soo (he drank poison for her, defied the king for her, etc) that we felt like we were Soo and it is a blessing to be loved by a man who can love you so endlessly and unconditionally. However, we are all so entranced that we don’t realize it’s actually a curse in disguise. From the get-go we know that So’s perception of love and friendship is a bit different from others. He often throws phrases around like “you are my person” or “If it were any other man, I might have killed him”. He has always been possessive of those he considers his people, viewing them as something very precious to him. To him, it doesn’t really matter what happens to anyone else, as long as his people are okay and protected. What he fails to understand and internalize is that his people – Hae Soo and Baek Ah – also have people who are precious to them. When he makes his decisions to protect them, he doesn’t consider the impacts to the people that they find precious and the collateral damage that is a result of his decisions. This is very clear in his statement to Baek Ah when he confronts So about knowing Woo Hee’s plan – to him, Baek Ah will always be more important. Because he feels that way about you, you should in turn feel that way about him. In his world, nothing matters to him besides Soo and Baek Ah, so in their world, nothing should matter to them except for him. However, that’s not how most of the world operates, and not how most relationships/friendships work. As such, I can see why Baek Ah said what he said.

    I feel like So never has a problem with emoting, but he definitely has a problem with empathy. Sometimes it is important to put yourself in others’ shoes, and consider how they feel before making a decision that will affect those that they care about. He almost has a my-decisions-are-the-best-for-you-so-why-don’t-you-appreciate-it attitude, like a parent who feels like they know best for their child. However he isn’t Soo’s father, and being in a relationship where they should be equals (what 21st century Soo is accustomed to), I can see this being a factor in pushing Soo further away. I also echo the sentiment of another poster (sorry forgot who), that So stopped openly communicating basically after he became King – which only amplifies the problems.

    Some have been arguing that Wang So has tried everything he can to make the relationship work, but I still don’t really buy it. I think he is trying to make it work in his own terms, but still not really understanding Soo’s heart. I think the moment that he chose the throne was the moment that their relationship was doomed. Soo is the epitome of the opposite of the monarchy system. Her entire upbringing is geared towards democracy, human rights, equality. She’s a compassionate soul. The crown has to make some tough decisions, and ones that Soo will most definitely not agree with. Living in that environment will be the end of her. She’s already had to compromise so much of herself for So; I don’t agree with the statement that she didn’t try. I would like to reiterate the fact that it is okay to leave sometimes. In fact, sometimes it is much harder to let go, but it is the right thing to do, both for her, and for So. People change, circumstances change, and I don’t blame her for wanting to leave the toxic environment that is the palace. Call it self-preservation; call it preservation of the beautiful memories of their love…sometimes two people love each other and it still doesn’t work out. That’s life.

    I thought the last scene with Soo saying goodbye to Baek Ah and Wook was bittersweet. Some people got really angry at the fact that she was all chummy with Wook, but I don’t really see it as a bad thing. Soo is not a person to hold grudges; plus Wook actually did kind of help her escape the palace, albeit his original intentions were not pure (he even admitted it, so good on him). Knowing that this is the last time she will see him, and wanting to end on a good note...I think it is understandable. Besides, the fact that she is able to say goodbye with a smile on her face proves that she really doesn’t have any feelings for him left. So, on the other hand…she still cares deeply for, and will miss dearly.

    A few other random things I’d like to point out:

    1)      When Yeon Hwa came to blame everything on Hae Soo – I was in disbelief. OF COURSE the evil princess b*tchface is going to dump all the blame on Soo and then dust her hands off and call it a day. Let’s throw in some fake tears too. Give me a break! How can Yeon Hwa not take any blame for Wook’s fall into the dark side when he had to gain ambition for the throne to save her richard simmons because she wanted to poison the crown prince??? I am going to be so angry if Yeon Hwa and Won don’t get what they deserve in the finale. That will be the one thing I look forward to.

     

     

    2)      To be honest, I hate to admit it but Jung really is the one prince that could give Soo what she needs. Though I still find him annoying…but he will make her happy. Too bad she’s not in love with him (poor Jung, poor So, poor Soo). But the heart wants what the heart wants. His love and admiration for her is very pure.

     

     

    3)      I find it a bit weird how the last straw for So was Wook’s admission to a previous relationship with Soo. For someone who cares so much about keeping Soo by his side, it is a bit weird that he chose that as his last straw. Soo even told him that there was someone else that she loved, and obviously she would have gotten over him by the time she accepted So, so why does it matter who she used to love? It’s not like she is still in love with him, and it’s not like she is asking to marry Wook now. I will never really quite understand the complicated mind of Wang So.

     

    Time to brace myself for the finale :tears:

    Truer words have never been spoken! I feel like So & Soo's breakup is an argument/separation/messy divorce any real couple can have.... You say things to hurt the other person, to make them feel as hurt as you are, but you still love them :(

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  13. Hmmm.... I thought Jung told her that all she had to do was say the word and he would help her get out of the palace even when the world knew she was Gwangjong's woman and she had pretty much friend zoned Jung the whole time and let him know it? It's not like she seduced him suddenly to get herself out of the palace - if her only other option was wallowing in misery, being emotionally apart from So and living with the ghosts of her dead people, I can't hold it against her for taking the chance offered her, even if it was a marriage of convenience... :(

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  14. 5 minutes ago, glacial said:

    lets just accept HS for who she is and let the story move on. She has her reasons, she's super passive and GJ is very direct. Two very different people, when I saw her with WW i actually felt they suited each other better because they are both so so passive. But of course theres no chemistry and passion like with WS. WS makes her speak up and HS tones him down. -- And to those feeling so angry and offended by her smile and acceptance of WW's hug, honestly she doesn't care enough about him or whatever to push him away and be angry, she just doesn't want bloodshed, she doesn't want WS to feel guilty. She knows as WS is doing all these bad things, deep inside, he's the one getting destroyed. She wants him to be better, the better man. -- To my fellow TVD fans- a very ELENA - DAMON situation we got here. Anyway, their love has always been doomed and thats that, its a tragic love story of two people who are so different yet so in love despite complicating each others lives. -- oh and a random comment, no matter what has happened lately, I've never felt more sad or cried like i did when Eun died. That BROKE me... Sigh. Last ep today, PLEASE MEET IN THE 21ST CENTURY PLSSSS. 

    Thank you so much - she has asked him to rise above it all, no matter how painful it will be for him - at the end of the day, when he's severely punished everyone who crosses him, there'll be no one who he really cares about left by his side :( Only that vicious viper, Yoo-lite...

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  15. 19 minutes ago, 30orsomething said:

    WOW. JUST WOW. MY HAT OFF TO ALL OF YOU HERE WHO WERE WATCHING THE SHOW LIVE AND TYPED RECAPS FOR THE REST OF US. It's like wearing the thorn crown and carrying the cross all the way to the execution ground while describing the process and the feeling of it to us mourners. WOW. Please accept my sincerest admiration!

    After this ep, all is left for me is a numb feeling. I don't want to blame anyone here, they are all pitiful, pathetic creatures who could do nothing more than accept what fate has in store for them. For all he is, we know for sure that GJ will never let Hae Soo go in any situations. But what's there for HS to stay by GJ's side? Nothing. No titles. No friends. No more joy in life. Just watch the day pass and wait for GJ to come back to her after a day of killing, exiling, torturing whoever threatens the throne or the stability of Goryeo as a whole. Is it a life worth living or looking forward to? NO. Just a big NO NO. 

    I remember a quote from the drama TOMATO: promise is an elastic string whose ends held by two people. If one lets go, the other will get hurt. That's exactly the case here. For how much the mutual promise is killing them, GJ will never let go. That's why HS has to do the deed and be the richard simmons. So I understand her for being cruel to GJ once and for all. Because there's simply no happy ending for them here in the palace. Separation is the only way for them to stay in love with each other. Otherwise, GJ will be hurt more and more, thinking HS no longer understand him and support him, while HS get more and more scared of GJ every passing day, feeling she contributed in creating a monster. 

    In such a passionate relationship, the one clinging gets all the sympathy, the one letting go gets all the blame. But I'm sure being cruelly decisive when the situation requires you too requires a lot of inner strength. And I praise HS for that.

    And I am happy that she actively put an end to all of her lover's and her suffering and enjoyed her last days in peace, though constantly longing for GJ. But keeping fond memories of each other is better than staying alongside but growing tired of each other. 

    And just like @40somethingahjumma has put it. The role of HS is to pave the way for WS to the throne. Falling in love with him is just gravy. Now that the mission is accomplished, there's nothing better or more plausible that she can do for the one she loves than to remove herself from his path so that he can fulfill his destined mission.  

    And part they did. And I'm fine with that. I am really fine. Yes, I am. :tears:

     

    Couldn't have said it better, my friend! :) it's sad, but true. Soo was pretty much the kingmaker, that's the reason she was born in Goryeo. We are all sympathetic to So because we see how badly the world has wounded him, but we are sometimes not so considerate of Soo - :( Why is not ok for Soo to have peace of mind that the people she considers family (wrongfully or not, that's still up for debate :) ) will be safe from her lover?

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  16. 30 minutes ago, ShaiKeun said:
    30 minutes ago, ShaiKeun said:

    Sorry eclipsers but, it is so unfair to bash or hate Soo. You never know how much she loves So and you are only making analysis out of your own emotion. Try to analyse the feeling of Soo too. You just don't know how guilt can eat a person alive. You must understand how she feels. Actually, in this drama, Soo is the victim and the most pityfull character. She never asked to be transported in that era.  Then, she was caught up between the relationships of the wang brothers.  She fell in-love first to wook and unexpectedly, she falls deeply in-love to So. How does it feels that because of you, you are the cause of  the fights between brothers and ready to kill each other? 

    My heart goes with So but more with Soo. Not because I am a woman but because I understand how hard it is for her to handle everything. Technically, she is alone in this fight. 

    Sorry eclipsers but, it is so unfair to bash or hate Soo. You never know how much she loves So and you are only making analysis out of your own emotion. Try to analyse the feeling of Soo too. You just don't know how guilt can eat a person alive. You must understand how she feels. Actually, in this drama, Soo is the victim and the most pityfull character. She never asked to be transported in that era.  Then, she was caught up between the relationships of the wang brothers.  She fell in-love first to wook and unexpectedly, she falls deeply in-love to So. How does it feels that because of you, you are the cause of  the fights between brothers and ready to kill each other? 

    My heart goes with So but more with Soo. Not because I am a woman but because I understand how hard it is for her to handle everything. Technically, she is alone in this fight. 

    You are right – I think people are being very harsh to Soo. She was the first person other than Baek Ah and Ji Mong to treat So as a flesh-and-blood person, not as some scary wild animal. And we might not be able to get behind it, but she's essentially asked him not to lash out in anger and kill everyone who’d gotten in his way – meeting the expectations of people who expect him to behave like a wild animal. Wook was undoubtedly her first love (we know how those go in K-dramas ☺☺ ) and being angry that she loved Wook is almost like a boyfriend getting upset with you that you've been in other serious relationships before. And we also have to remember that as the audience, we are essentially omniscient – we know who the bad guy is. Soo the character sadly only has her eyes and ears for confirmation of anything...

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