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I got a feeling the past might be the future for the mermaid.
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On 11/2/2016 at 1:53 PM, liplockvomit said:
HAHAHA YES!! I feel like they purposely made his teeth such disgusting variations of yellow + stuck vegetables + plague to show us a slice of reality and comfort our dear hearts that we wouldn't want this for ourselves. Who knows, all the princes might have had bad teeth too xD
And his teeth kept changing style! Someone should do a side-by-side photo comparison of his transforming teeth hahahhaa.
I think in terms of toilet it should be alright, they probably use a vase-like-potty and a servant will clear it daily. I'm quite glad that in this drama the characters took frequent baths as well. I know I know, this is redundant but still! It makes me happy to imagine them living with good hygiene.
Sweets consumption and meal frequency are much more important for dental health than brushing though. I'm not sure what they drank during this time, if it's unsweetened tea I think their teeth would've been stained from tea but fairly healthy. They probably used some chewing sticks as well (like in China).
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I watched snippets of the last episode of the second season of the c-version. Someone got blind and someone lost the ability to walk. Please spare me from that puke-fest. The kind of life I would wish for these characters in a modern setting is too boring and sweet for a second season, stop torturing them.
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As I understood it HS did change history. That's what she feels so guilty about, her choices brought on the history she remembered and was so afraid of. But the history from when she went to the past and when she came back is the same, with her changes already in. She just didn't have good history knowledge, the more gruesome details of GJ stuck more in her brain. Without her interference WS would probably not have become a king.
The only thing contradicting that is Jimong's saying Yo wasn't supposed to be a king. But maybe he also had a bad memory, drinking is bad for memory. There being a different history before them going into the past makes less sense story wise over all in my opinion. WS wasn't in a position to become king without HS interference. I think that's why the other brothers were so disturbed when through the rain ritual he was suddenly in the contention.
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I think Jimong went back in time the same time as Ha-jin. He was that drunkard. But he went a bit further in time than Ha-jin and into a child, instead of a teenager like Ha-jin. That's why earlier in the series he mentioned he was considered very mature for his age. And like Ha-jin his time in the past came to an end when he reached the age he was when he went to the past. When he comes back he remembers better than Ha-jin. Since he now has lots of history knowledge he becomes a guide/historian. It's been 2 years since the drowning incident when he meets with Ha-jin so I think he has had enough time to get his life together.
I think HS changed history, but that doesn't mean she comes out at a different timeline from when she drowned. I think she just remembered the purges and the bloody history. Although since Jimong mentioned that Yo is not supposed to be king, maybe it's a different timeline (or he also didn't recall correctly).
I don't get why people think LJG was overacting in the urn/ashes scene. If you look at the dialogue how else is he supposed to act but deranged? It would be so confusing if he were calmer, I would be more concerned for WS mental health and would think he's lost it for good instead of temporarily being overwrought. Instead it's just the writing that is super melodramatic and could've been handled a bit more gently.
Out of all the actors I only got from KHN a strong sense of the character becoming older, it was really a pleasure to watch.
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The scene with WS in front of the palace, where he makes a handmotion of removing his mask and then his scarring is visible again. It gave me a feeling that he finally can understand and accept HS love for him, finally feels loved, and can accept himself and his scar and let go of needing to be GJ. And when he said he will find HS even in another world, whereas HS watching the paintings gets her memory back, it feels like WS way of being with her is in her memories. Since so much of their relationship was longing for each other and keeping each other in their memories. Although if one takes their poem's meaning to be that even if it seems to be a dead end (dry waterbed/water's edge), there is still hope (clouds appear), then there could also be something more for them maybe than living parallel lives longing for each other.
I was satisfied with the ending over all. I wanted to see WS in the future, but sometimes it's also nice to be a little disappointed. And I think a satisfying open ending is easier to write than a satisfying fuller ending. I know a lot of people are frustrated by this show, because a lot of things are left for the audience to puzzle out. But I really prefer it like that and I think it makes me think of the show and connect with the show much more. I also enjoy when there are multiple plausible interpretations in parallel. So if you were dissatisfied thank you for watching anyway so I could have a show I really liked and maybe some more like that in the future ;)
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41 minutes ago, pixiebelle said:
The symbolic meaning was lost on me as I am not familiar with their history. Since this is a Korean drama albeit INTERNATIONAL version, it is my bad.
To not have a speech because of actress' acting power or because of the gender of the character being female, if one of that is indeed the reason, is just too incredulously for me
Since the purpose is to unify the two countries, marriage makes sense to me as is common in Chinese history.
Thanks for taking time to reply.I'm also not familiar with Korean history, just what I picked up from the show. Baekje aren't a country anymore, they're a people. They're under Goryeo rule. WH couldn't even marry prince BA without getting adopted first. A king doesn't marry the princess of slaves, there's no benefit in doing so, only downsides. The unification mentioned is a unification of the people. There is one country, let us be one people now, no-one shall be discriminated against based on their origin, people captured into slavery are free to return to their homes, as compensation for the hardships they don't need to pay taxes for some time.
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4 minutes ago, pixiebelle said:
Yes it does. I am watching international version : Did Woo Hee say some lines which will tell her people she supports King Wang So ?
My feeling as a viewer (from the dialgoue, pacing and her expression, the mob's response) is that she was forced to kill herself in a very tragic way. As her people, I will be even more determined to revolt.
If she wants to show her people she supports King Wang So, a more convincing way is to marry him and be his concubine. If she really needs to die, then make a nice speech infront of the mob (ending with kneeling down and thanking King Wang So etc) and drink a cup of poison (favourite murder weapon in this show)It's supposed to be symbolic - she dies in front of the sign that tells of the unification of the three peoples - she dies for the unification. That sign is her speech. I agree that it would be clearer if there were an actual speech, sadly females aren't given as many chances to get the spotlight and I'm actually not convinced if this actress could pull it off.
Marrying her would just weaken WS, that makes no sense.
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48 minutes ago, pixiebelle said:
Okay but why does she need to kill herself infront of the mob and her beloved ? How does that help to propel her cause ?
I find the character of Woo Hee one of the poor victims of bad script writing of this drama.The death needs to be in front of her people and the new tenets so they see that she kills herself and supports the king, otherwise they would think the king had her killed. A death like that might also be better for Baek Ah, because otherwise the powerful families could claim Baek Ah sacrificed Woo Hee, but is still a traitor, but I'm not totally sure if that makes sense.
She didn't want Baek Ah to see though.
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24 minutes ago, antiherofans said:I still don't get that part too. I wanna be sad but I can't because I don't get the message why you have to kill yourself to make a point to your people. If I am one of his people, I would blame the king for making my princess die. So with her death, her people will finally accept that GJ is their king?
I am sorry but I still don't get that part. Maybe someone can explain this better?
She killed herself because her connection to Baek Ah leaves him vulnerable to attacks from the powerful families. WS doesn't have enough power to protect Baek Ah. So one option would be for him to go to battle and survive. But her people would suffer. Because to suppress the traitor allegations they either need to be super harsh to her people or she needs to be gone from Baek Ah's side. So she cuts a deal with WS, give freedom to my people, I will save Baek Ah. Just stopping the mob isn't enough to save Baek Ah, she needs to be gone from his side. If WS had enough power she could just give a speech and calm her people down. But the powerful families would just raise suspicions that Baek Ah is a spy. It doesn't matter what WS thinks, it's whether he could stop their machinations. So instead she needs to kill herself (I mean, I think it would've been better if her speech were longer than a few characters, a bit ambiguous, but that's more the director's choice). By sacrificing herself she can save both her people and the man she loves.
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Some thoughts. I even made an account for this.
Why WS wants to be king: as he himself said it's not just to protect his bothers and HS or just a mistaken belief that then he will be the one with the freedom of choice. It's because he wants to change Goryeo, that's why his first act was about righting the wrongs created during the building of the new palace. It's actually a bit comforting that that's the case, because he fails in the protecting objective, but is a good ruler.
Why HS doesn't marry WS: if he can't consolidate his power as king and keep the throne he is dead. He doesn't have enough financial and military power by himself. Even if he abdicates and somehow survives that, the position of ex-king is the most dangerous one. They both understand this. I thought the scene where he proposes despite knowing all of this was very beautiful; and also how he tries to shield HS from this information, because just by telling her about it he would be cornering her into giving up marriage, but instead she is allowed to decide without his pressuring.
Why HS decides to leave the palace: I think it's not that she doesn't understand the reasons for CR's punishment or that she doesn't forgive WS. She had two reasons to stay in the palace: to guide WS to be a gentler king and because she hoped for her own happy ending with WS. During the events of episode 18 she realizes that both of these are hopeless causes. I think she sees a parallel between CR and herself and is afraid that instead of influencing WS to be gentler (she seems to have no influence in that regard) she would instead be forced to share in some of the bloodshed. So she doesn't have enough reasons to stay after episode 18. Moreover their relationship is not that of equals any longer, she calls him his majesty also in private. And I think another issue with their relationship is that WS hasn't had unconditional love from his parents (the mother's love is what he himself seems to most miss), and he wants that from HS, which is why he can't accept that HS will criticize his treatment of Jung. Because it's something that a parent will accept, but it's not something a lover should accept. I think him rejecting HS's touch on the cheek might be also because his mother's touch was there and he didn't want to write it over with HS's touch. He wants the love of a mother, the love of a woman is not enough.
CR messed up their relationship by poisoning Mu, not by the spying allegations later. If Mu could've been a strong king, HS and WS could've been together, all the other king candidates don't leave space for their relationship. Also it was correct in him to not tell HS about it, because if it couldn't be avoided that she needed to be publicly punished, then it's cruel to put HS in a spot where she would either go along with it or try to fruitlessly keep it from happening.
I think WW and WS are quite similar in their interactions with HS. Initially WS didn't have anyone else to protect, so he could afford to risk himself for HS. But as soon as he has stuff he needs to protect, HS will need to sacrifice, starting with his first marriage. I really liked that both of the relationships failed in a similar way. With just one you can say it's WW, he's not good enough. But with both of them the message is more that it's the circumstances, not the person, why she can't have love.
I would be surprised to if WS doesn't already know that YH was complicit in the poisoning incident. He knows that YH stepped forward to drink the poison and that made the incident public and he knows that WW was protecting someone.
I think the reason why the queen mother hated WS was because she cut him and would've killed him. So it's a defense mechanism, she can either hate him or despise herself. So she needs to hate him and convince herself that he is an unnatural, monstrous, incapable man. I think this feeling intensifies when she sees him and his scar. And the better he does, the more she hates him, because it's proof that he's not incapable. So really, he exacted the perfect revenge. Even though it was a case of cut off your nose to spite the face.
The scenes how WS became king were really cool. WY told HS to choose the king. And then he prepares a blank decree and tries to press it and a brush into HS's hands. I don't think she understand's his intent, but she nonetheless chooses WS as the king, so in the end WS got the throne rightfully. It's a nice play on fate and predeterminism.
Anyway. I really like the series and all the characters except for perhaps the 9th prince, since we haven't been told about his story. The cinematography is gorgeous, I like the modern soundtrack. The combination of political intrigue, philosophy and romance is to my tastes. It's not cheesy, and really sticks in my brain. And Lee Joon-Gi's portrayal makes me understand and cherish his complex character. And yet I hope there will be some form of happy ending, I don't want to cry.
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[Drama 2016-2017] Guardian: The Lonely and Great Goblin 도깨비
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Is there any book/comic/series with similar themes as this one? I kind of hoped this would be a derivative work so I could read it.