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12 hours ago, nona88 said:
I still understand the grey area but as SM said someone has to make sure to keep eyes on that lines cause there no ending when people cross that, they lost it once they cross it and no matter what the reason was it get to same results
Indeed, as you pointed out, This whole series is about trying to not cross the line of good and bad, which keeps getting blurrier the more complex the situation gets. Usually people cross this for either logical reasons (like the bigger picture for CB), or for human emotional weakness (like the wealthy couple who wants to save their face in ep 1).
In SM's case, his lacks of emotions means that he probably doesn't feel jealousy, desire for power or wealth, insecurities, anger and affection that the rest feel. That's why, his judgment of things never gets cloudy with feelings, whether positively or negatively. For him everything goes by logic: right or wrong, that's all there is. This worked in the first season easily, but now in the complex situation where even right and wrong is questionable, logic is no longer enough to draw the line.
Here are quotes from the very interesting conversation between CP and SM in ep5:
HSM: "I guess I, too, tried to use my connections and reach out to someone who had an influential position there."
KWC: "Why are you beating yourself up all of a sudden? It's not like you were doing this for your personal gain."
HSM: "But I'm sure others thought the same thing when they hired a former judge as their lawyer after removing the restriction line, I'm sure they didn't think they were doing something wrong. I bet they just wanted to hire a lawyer who could help them win the case. Just like how I came here."
KWC: "Did you believe that you'd never do such a thing?"
HSM: "The thought itself had never occurred to me. I've never considered a situation where I'd try to change the outcome by pulling strings."
In the situation above, the right and wrong were very clear, but imagine it in a more complex situation, such as the prosecution vs police debate. SM sure would never pull any strings for the sake of pride or power and whatever the excuses the rest of the prosecutors are thinking. But what if, upon thinking and measuring by logic, his conclusion was that prosecutors are the "one that can prevent such misuse of authority" and thus "should be exercised by them". Would he "try to change the outcome by pulling strings" for what he thinks is more closer to white between two grey areas?
I have my faith in both SM and YJ's decision making. In the situation the are in this season, it seems there isn't actually any "line" to not cross, rather it is an all grey area, and they have to draw the line in it.
13 hours ago, taeunfighting said:If your speculations about her pan out to be true, the part that I am trying to understand is why she specifically needs Yeo Jin (who is by nature, righteous) and feels the need to guide her. In the end, does Choi Bit eventually plan to take responsibility for “dirtying” her hands in the process whereby Yeo Jin would take her place to further the cause?
So far, CB doesn't seem to think of her questionable actions as wrong, but justified, thus I don't see her feeling the need to take responsibility. She seems quite like KWC, who doesn't really side with the bad, but does turn a blind eye for the sake of the organisation. However, this might change in the upcoming episodes as she makes more darker decision, and end up like LCJ (although I doubt the writer will repeat the same characterisation again).
YJ's righteous nature is the reason CB wants her to be her successor. For all the fight and dirt she is putting herself in, she sure doesn't want it to go to vain with another corrupted officer who put his personal gain over organisation. But she has mistaken in reading YJ' character, YJ's sense of justice is not for the sake of applying law and and serving the system, but to protect and serve people, while for CB, justice is the organisation, the police.
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Haven't logged in for more than a year, but couldn't resist not commenting on this extremely well written script (and which I already feel surpassing S1)
Regarding the conversation between CB and YJ, it seems many of you think she was threatening YJ about whistle blowing, which didn't sound like that to me.
Here are some quote's from the conversation:
CB: "I can't stop you from doing what you think is right. Go for it".
After a pause she adds "Intelligence police reports are confidential. Whoever the new Director is, I have to act as one until they come." It felt she is actually assuring YJ to report it without worries if that's what she wants.
But she also reminds her "In several years, you could be the one sitting here. I thought I had finally found the right person…" This is not a threat, but more of saying "if you choose to stay as righteous as you are, you'll never make it to the top"
This whole situation was actually a test for YJ's character, "I wasn't dragging you into this. I was trying to guide you. Set your own goals." Whether she stays the righteous person who lacks the power to create any change, or dirties her hand and climbs the ladder where she can make greater changes.
I don't feel CB is aiming to win this debate for her own personal agenda, or just career promotion like many assumes. In fact, I believe she was once like YJ, trying to do the right things only. But as many of you mention above, for the sake of the bigger picture, to change the corrupted system from the root, she is sacrificing the small things. I actually don't remember her doing any indirect injustice or corruption, but rather just delaying the justice (like the assemblyman's son's drug case) or simply using a right case for her benefit. This is sure morally questionable, but not the same as doing it.
So far, she is one my favourite characters in this series. All my speculations about her might turn out to be wrong, she could indeed end up being just a devil woman. But the journey to discover the so many layers of character is worth it. It is not often we get to see such a well written semi anti-hero female character of power.
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Hi chingus
have been following this thread silently for a while, and finally decided to join here
.. this is going to be my first very long drama, and not really sure if I can stick around for 25 weeks (almost half a year ) but i'll try to. at least for JJH's sake, my first Kdrama crush since "Dae Jang Geum" .. let's hope it'll be an exciting journey with "I Have a Lover" will try to join the live recappers tonight .. here is a streaming link if anyone interested ^^
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I want to watch " Ojakyo brothers" starring UEE & Joo Woon and I can't find the links! Help!
If you want to watch it online you might try Drama.net , it has all the episodes subbed with high quality.
.. this is going to be my first very long drama, and not really sure if I can stick around for 25 weeks (almost half a year 
) but i'll try to. at least for JJH's sake, my first Kdrama crush since "Dae Jang Geum" 
.. let's hope it'll be an exciting journey with "I Have a Lover" 
[Drama 2020] Forest of Secrets Season 2, 비밀의 숲 2
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Did she actually abandon a case till now?
All we saw is that she using real cases to polish the police's image (as in ep1) or postponing a case for further great result. To her, she believes she will jail the assemblyman's son after they are done with debate (we know in reality it is not going to happen but that is what she intends for now). Let's not forget his crime is doing drugs , and it is very common for VIP's to run free with drug convictions (remember YJ saying drug dealers don't tell their VIP's names). Even if he gets arrested, he will most likely not be convicted from prosecution (he was not for nepotism case) or a good lawyer could easily get him free. Arresting him might be just just a waste of time when they could use it for another further good (for the organisation). As I said, the meaning of "Justice" for both CB and YJ seems to be different. While YJ as a police officer might face a dilemma in turning a blind eye for a crime, for CB she is performing her duty as a chief who protects her organisation, thus it is not really a wrongdoing from her perspective.
But what if , as I said earlier, she has to face a more darker situation? Like if the policeman's death proved to be a murder and this revelation will hurt their image (which is what most likely going to happen)?
Unlike the drug case, this is where a real dilemma she will face as a human being before being a police chief. This case will be the main event to show her true character. and I'm very much looking forward to her response.