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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your OTP guys! As for me, although I decided to call SunTaek my OTP by the end of Ep 16, my first “Taek-could-really-be-the-husband” hunch happened in Ep 17. Like all of you guys here, I never really believed that the scene was Taek’s dream. Cinematography-wise, that scene was just too beautiful to waste it on “just” a dream. It still is my favourite SunTaek kiss scene. And story-wise, Duk Seon’s questions just gave it away. It was really weird that Duk Seon would ask Taek: “Why, did you have a dream? What kind of dream did you have? Did you dream about me?” LOL. She literally fired him those questions.
Also, I went back to Reply 1997 and noted that Shi Won's feelings started to get clearer by Ep 13 (she even confessed!). That drama ended at Ep 16 – they only dated in a span of 4 episodes. So I kind of used that as reference on when Duk Seon's feelings would start become clearer too. And the pace was just right - we were given 4 episodes to get a clearer picture of her feelings and show us who she really loved.
On 2/7/2016 at 8:23 PM, onlysb1 said:I couldn't ship Deok Sun with Sun Woo or Junghwan because I felt something was off.
So this is progressDelusional---> Creative, Shipper --> Believer , Taektanic--> Submarine, OTP --> SunTaek
I never felt that her dynamics with Sun Woo and Jung Hwan was “off” throughout the show until Ep 16, but it did feel like there was something… lacking. Like, I couldn’t put into words my feelings for Duk Seon’s relationships with any of these boys. But now that I think about it, maybe all this time, the reason I couldn’t decide on my OTP was because this was it - “Something was really off”. And I failed to see and understand it because I was only watching for fun, and not caring about little details until Ep 16. Even though there were strong voices that Jung Hwan was a sure ball since day 1, I couldn’t really connect with JungHwan-DukSeon scenes they threw at me. Every time an episode ended, I was always left, asking “That’s it?!”. In contrast to Taek and Duk Seon’s scenes, I unconsciously smiled every time they were together. It’s like, even though there was only a scene of them together for like 5-10 mins in an episode, but it felt like it was fulfilling. Like, even as a neutral fan, I had never asked for more. Their story was told in a 5 min span, and I was content. It never felt lacking. If you guys know what I meant?
Anyways, little did I know that those little details of them together in every episode was the writer's way of showing their growth as a couple. Too bad I only noticed it by the end of Ep 16. I wish I had called dibs on this OTP earlier than that and I could have shipped them with you guys.I say that was a great progress @onlysb1! SunTaek fans went through a lot, but everything was paid off. You guys all deserved the A++++ for sticking with and protecting this ship. It doesn't matter what anyone says, whoever disagrees. At the end of the day, Duk Seon is still married to Taek and the rest is history. Just like how Yong Jae and Trash are forever remembered as the Reply series husbands, Taek is too!
I backtracked on this thread using the main page links that you guys had wonderfully compiled, and I was blown away by the analysis and insights you had when the drama was airing. I`m still backtracking, but I read a post that you guys had predicted the Spiderman/Ying Yang kiss even before Ep 17 aired. Like WOW, that was purely awesome! SunTaek fans have got a lot of talented and gifted people supporting them through and through.
On 2/7/2016 at 10:51 AM, __jesse said:Till today, I still have zero motivation to finish watching AM94. So to prevent history from repeating itself, I consciously detached myself from the husband hunt. But the funny thing is, the more detached you are, the clearer things become. By ep 14, I was pretty certain Taek's gonna be the husband.
Again the funny thing is, once you start analysing, you can't stop! This drama is like a well that never runs dry as long as you keep digging. If I continue any further, I'd be writing a hymn to sing of LWJ's greatness.
So that's my story, and how I came to join soompi. And thanks everyone for making Taek's room such a cozy place.
I was never interested with the husband hunt. I would have my own hunch, but I had never used any scenes as evidence that this guy and not that guy was the husband. In the previous Reply series, I easily called dibs on my OTP, as early as ep 1, regardless if it was really going to happen or not, but there was just something about 1988 that stopped me from doing that. Perhaps, my instinct is still that good. Heh. Even though I thought both Jung Hwan and Sun Woo were cute together with Duk Seon, maybe, deep down, I knew I haven’t met the perfect one yet for Duk Seon. I couldn’t emotionally invest myself in any of these boys with Duk Seon, because, maybe, instinct was telling me that the writer wasn’t showing me everything at one go. In the previous reply series, we were shown the main couples’ interaction right away, so that’s why I was easily on board - just like that. But 1988 was different. I`m glad my instinct still saved me from investing my emotions so much in the wrong ship. By 16, I was fully supporting SunTaek. It was really hard to express neutrality in my posts after that episode.
And yessss! I agree with you on your “once you start analysing, you can't stop”. The thing is, I only watched this drama for fun. That’s probably another reason too why I was a neutral fan until Ep 16. I didn’t want to spend my time writing essays for this drama, but look at me right now! I have once again been spending hours and hours of writing my thoughts and analysis on this couple! Their love story is just so wonderful – lots of stories to tell and share. And rewatching scenes and reading you guys’ analysis, I still end up learning and discovering new things about them. It’s so amazing.
When I went back to watch the Taek-DukSeon-JungHwan scenes again after Ep 16, I was mind blown by the things I had overlooked just because I intended not to fully invest in any of them. That was my biggest mistake. I should have known better that Reply series have this power on me to have all my emotions invested in. I had a huge long list of “compare and contrast” with Duk Seon’s relationship with both boys, and weighed which scenes mattered to me most. That’s when I realized how wonderful Duk Seon and Taek’s story was and had fully shipped them – sailing or not! But they did! So yay me!
And yes, I agree with you again that this thread is heaven for wonderful insights and thoughts about Sun Taek. I once again wished I was here earlier, so I could have join in the spazz. In any case, I look forward to running into you guys again in other Korean dramas that are worth spending hours on dissecting each scene for! Perhaps on another Reply series thread?9 hours ago, aoikarin said:**** Can someone enlighten me with the time jump.. This is my own interpretaion.. but i'm not really sure about this. Between end of 1989 to OCt 1993 They never celebrated Taek's birthday? For almost 5 years, DS and Taek almost refrained themselves to meet each other but keep themselves update from friends network? DS initiated befriended with Taek's manager and keep updated with Taek's news through manager and same as Taek updated DS's news from his manager? DS spent her time at work and slept over her friend house while Taek buried himself in Baduk and spent time at home by sleeping? So the first time they meet face to face again on Taek's birthday in 2004? Woow.. if it's so.. no wonder Taek cried during the hotel scene.. he must feel suffocated to think that how suffering Duk Seon and himself refrained themselves to see each other for those whole 5 years and both of them pretty much in love for a very long time.... They told us that they dated for 2 years. If we counted from hotel scene it means they get married some time in Oct 2006. just 1 year after Bora and SW got married? Oh yeaah.. Taek is indeed efficient.. not wasting time too long.
In my opinion, Taek and Duk Seon were still in contact with each other. They never really left their house unlike Jung Hwan who was stationed in Sancheon. They don’t hang out as often as before since both of them have jobs now, but I believe their relationship grew even stronger in that 6 year-span. It’s one of those “little memories” again that piled up over time. I noted that it wasn’t only Manager Yoo she is familiar with, even that Baduk Chief (I forgot his name) knows Duk Seon and is quite familiar with her. He even gave a factual statement that Taek did indeed like her and he wasn’t joking! In 1988-1989 there was no interaction between her and the chief at all (the only time I saw them in the same scene was Ep 8 when Duk Seon went to pick Taek up at Baduk Club). And for Duk Seon to hook Manager Yoo and her flight attendant friend up would mean she became particularly close with him. I’d also like to think that the hotel scene in Ep 19 wasn’t the first time that Taek and Duk Seon happened to be in the same foreign country and stayed in one hotel. Perhaps this is the reason why Baduk Club people are very familiar with Duk Seon and know how comfortable Taek is with her.
And I mentioned this in my previous post. I’d also like to think that whenever Duk Seon came home (which wasn’t very often in the first place, hence, her parents sulked), she’d still hang out in Taek’s room like good old days. In Ep 19, we saw her and Dong Ryong eating and drinking with Taek in his room when Sun Woo came burst into the room and told him the good news. So after seeing that scene, I was under the impression that Oct 8 1994 wasn’t the first time that they were together again. I don’t think their friendship stopped in that 6 years that she and Taek were seeing another people while being in “one-sided” love. If anything, their world became much closer than ever with Duk Seon and Taek now sharing the same circle of friends outside Ssangmundong.
About the reason why Taek cried. In my opinion, it wasn’t because their relationship turned sour after he decided not to confess. I don’t think he was ever awkward with Duk Seon at all since he decided to keep his feelings for her to himself. I think, he cried because he wasted 6 years thinking he was in a one-sided love when all this time, Duk Seon had loved him too. He went on dates to get over her, and he had to painfully see Duk Seon date other guys when all this time their feelings were very much mutual. If only he had stepped up, none of this would have happened. He cried because he hurt not only himself, but Duk Seon too as a result of the fear that overwhelmed him when he chose friendship over love. This was why, I think, he was opposed to that idea of dating in secret when Duk Seon asked him. He didn’t want to go through that pain again because he kept his feelings in.I'd like to read what you guys' thoughts on this! Did Duk Seon and Taek hardly ever have any contact with each other in the 6-yr time jump?
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Ahhh~ I really hope we can do always do a Saturday rewatch guys. Seriously, everytime we revisit episodes, we discover something more. It’s great that I still learn new things with this drama no matter how many times I watch it.
Today’s favourites have got to be that Duk Seon losing Jung Hwan’s “Something’s Special” and how “Nothing’s gonna change my love for you” was a song dedicated to Taek. Like those were just brilliant. I have no more thumbs to put up for the writer. She got them both already. And you guys here are just purely awesome for discovering new things.
13 hours ago, fangurling123 said:I know this has been discussed before but I have a different opinion. I think he doesn't like DS to be so playful with the other boys, i.e. he gets jealous and possessive. This is why in Ep. 20 he gets mad when DS is in the Karaoke place with her co-workers.
That could be it.
But I also think Duk Seon’s wild side that came with noise was what he didn’t like. We’ve got 3 scenes in the drama where we saw Duk Seon danced with the boys, Ep 3, 8, and 16.
In Ep 3, he was taken aback at the sight and camped outside his room instead until they were done. In ep 8, we saw him again hesitated to step in to the room, but when Duk Seon asked him to come over, he gave her the brightest and warmest smile and joined her. In ep 16, the boy was just hopelessly in love with her. By this time, I believe he had come to love everything about her - including her wild side and noise.
In Episode 20, packmule3 noted Taek’s mention about his sensitivity in 1988 that he didn’t like. So I believe one of the things he was most sensitive about was noise. Perhaps, he didn’t like that about Duk Seon - when she makes a fool of herself and she isn’t even aware of it (She didn’t notice everyone laughed at her like she was a big joke. For example, look at how passionate she was dancing to Sobangcha. She didn’t even notice that Sun Woo and Jung Hwan were already laughing their butts off. Heck, she had to even ask Sun Woo if it was really that bad!).
In those 3 scenes I mentioned – the setting had never changed. Duk Seon still danced with the boys’ presence in Taek’s room. The only thing that had changed in these scenes, in my opinon, was how Taek slowly accepted this side of Duk Seon.
As for that Ep 20 karaoke scene. I would agree that it was because he didn’t like her making a fool of herself (or playful) in front of other people. She can do it in front of him and their best friends in his room, but never ever to others.
12 hours ago, fangurling123 said:I love how these kids are always bossing around Master Choi. And how he always meekly obeys. "Taek-ah, five ramyuns." Can you imagine how horrified his baduk colleagues and fans would be to see that?
LOL and the funny thing is, they all knew he couldn’t make ramyun! But they still ask him and he gladly obeys.
12 hours ago, cooleet said:Now back to the song. It was Taek who left her. He's the one who needs to come to her. It was her asking him, "Why are you being hesitant? Is it because you don't know that I love you?"
Sorry for the long post. This thought has been bugging me ever since I heard the lyrics of the song.
Yes I agree with you too. I think this song is meant to tell Duk Seon’s feelings for Taek. I agree that it was Taek who “left” her. You mentioned the cancelled date, and I`m gonna add on to that and say: he went out with lots of girls in the 6 years she thought she was having a one-sided love for him. I would assume that it was Taek who dated girls first (to try and get over her), and then Duk Seon felt the need to see other boys too to keep herself from hurting too much (and we all know how futile this was).
11 hours ago, fangurling123 said:SW, well "sell me". Only she's mistaken about the SW bit, but it worked on JH.
Hahhaha. Sun Woo is like the “Oppa/Hyung” in the group. This is why Duk Seon named him as the most human among them in Ep 1. He looks after them like his own younger brothers and sister. They can all depend on him. This is why I still can’t get over the fact that her girlfriends spoiled her mind by saying Sun Woo liked her. Duk Seon never wondered Sun Woo’s actions before because she grew up knowing Sun Woo always looked after them. That was his nature. Just like Duk Seon, he goes great lengths to help out people he cared about.
Even though Duk Seon said to Dong Ryong to drop her name and Sun Woo would come because she knew “he liked her”, I think deep down she knew Sun Woo wouldn’t let her down no matter what. Out of these 3 boys, Sun Woo was the one who wouldn’t say no to her and would help her out anytime
9 hours ago, shooastrid said:Everyone talking about the kissing sound.. am I left behind guys? I don't know which kissing scene you meant here, and what sound? LOL Please enlighten me pretty pleaaase..
It’s in Ep 20, car scene. Watch that kiss scene where they were reflected on the side mirror. When Taek reached for her neck, you can hear the sound as they deepened their kiss.
9 hours ago, fanatic- said:I think that if JH had loved DS enough, we'll be on a totally different ship right now. So irregardless of how dreamy and romantic he is, I believe that he never loved DS as much as he thought he did. Or else he would have had the same kind of desperation that CT did to be with DS.
Hmmm. I wonder about that. You see, Reply Series is all about fate and timing. But this time, in 1988, the effort was added in the equation. Fate + Timing + Effort = End game.
I believe Taek has all of them.
In Ep 2, Duk Seon narrated that that she didn’t know the reason why this father and son moved into their neighbourhood. But I say it’s fate. That two decades later, she and the son would marry. They already had this invisible red thread around them since they were eight. And it was unbreakable. This is why Jung Hwan never took a step forward whenever there was only Taek and Duk Seon in the picture (ie beach scene, bathroom scene, swearing scene, sleeping over at Taek’s room scene, staircase scene, etc). Duk Seon and Taek had built this wall around them and no one could trespass. Jung Hwan knew it. He knew that their bond was special to the point that he took that for granted and never saw Taek as love rival. Just like the Ssangmundong neighbours, he overlooked how special Taek and Duk Seon’s bond was. When he realized Taek’s love, he couldn’t take a step further because he was afraid to put a dent on his friendship with Taek, but also perhaps, he knew deep down that what Taek and Duk Seon already had was something he couldn’t get in between.
Anyways back to Taek and fate. Yes, it was fate that he moved in to his wife’s neighbourhood. But before that marriage happened, what they needed was time. Time to cultivate their relationship day by day since they were eight. Even though Baduk took most of his childhood and adulthood time, it still didn’t stop him and Duk Seon to find little time to spend and grow together. Both also made an effort to be there for each other no matter what. Taek had been by her – he saw her ups and downs. Same with Duk Seon for Taek. Even those six years that they kept seeing other people, their bond continued to grow. According to her parents (in Ep 18), most of the time she sleeps over at her friends who lived close to the airport, but it was still implied that whenever she was home, she would spend the time with Taek in his room. That scene in Ep 19 where Sun Woo burst into his room to tell the good news, Duk Seon with Dong Ryong was already there, eating and drinking. It’s like, it was so natural that she’d be there in his room when she was not working. Just like good old high school days.
So yes, Taek has all of what it takes to be the endgame in the Reply series. Jung Hwan, even if he was given a chance, had no room in this Taek-DukSeon bond to begin with.
I also have an issue with this phrase “I think that if JH had loved DS enough”. You see, Chilbong from Reply 1994 loved Na Jung sooooooo much. Even though I was Pro-Trash, I, too, felt that Chilbong loved Na Jung more than Trash did with Na Jung. But still, his love wasn’t realized (no matter how much effort he put into it) because he didn’t have what Trash had. Fate and Timing. There was a reason why Na Jung’s oppa gained a new friend when they were young. It was fate. Because two decades later, she and her oppa’s friend would marry. What they needed was time to build that unbreakable relationship day by day.
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OMG what a long essay! T___T Sorry guys, you don’t have to read this all. It will hurt your eyes. LOL
Anyways, it’s always fun to do rewatch because, now, I focus my attention solely on SunTaek.
The first time I watched this, all I ever cared about was who Duk Seon looked best with. LOLOL. I kept weighing who she had best chemistry with. I honestly didn’t care about the husband hunt. I was worried at that time because by episode 3, I still had no OTP to ship (Reply 1997 and 1994, my OTP was set since Ep 1). Like I kept juggling between Sun Woo and Jung Hwan – Taek was invisible in my vision until Ep 6.
Sadly, I couldn’t decide on my OTP until the end of Ep 16 – when I saw Duk Seon guarded the phone, slept next to it and the radio, and gave the most disappointed look ever just because someone cancelled on her, I was like OKAY! Time to rewatch lovelines' scenes and see what I had missed. LOL
I wonder how it was for everyone else? When have you decided on your OTP? And when did you feel like Taek could be the end game?
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Hey guys.
Just thought I'd share some goodies that came in the mail today!
^Reply 1988 OST Album (Director Edition)! http://www.yesasia.com/us/answer-me-1988-ost-cd-dvd-director-edition-tvn-tv-drama/1048445449-0-0-0-en/info.html
OMG. It said in the description that I would get two random mini paper stands and just my luck, I got SunTaek! Thank you Baduk god for always being on our side. You bet these paper stands will be on my desk looking pretty.
SpoilerTo those who got their copy as well, I hope you got SunTaek too!
ETA: @kepogee Yesss! Thanks. I saw on DCgall several fans posting the mini stands they got, I kept crossing my fingers that I would get not only one, but both SunTaek! And Phew! that was a great suspense. My forever treasure<33
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2 hours ago, chickfactor said:
The script was about the adult couple looking at pictures of their youth and talking about it. I thought the first kiss scene was a dream.
UHMMMMM WHAAAAAT!!!! So my wish did exist!
On 1/31/2016 at 5:50 PM, 13infamyss said:I wish we had picture galore at the end of the drama that showed SunTaek as babies till 2016 events with the family of their own. I would have loved to see the pic that Jung Hwan took with Duk Seon and Taek in it on his 18th birthday!
Just that we didn't see it at all. I wonder if adult SunTaek did film this scene, but didn't make the cut for Ep 20. I wonder if we could see that as one of the deleted scenes later on? I so want to see that. So bad.
Or.... maybe he was talking about that wedding photo?
ETA:
Taek silently reacting to this:
I wonder how we should interpret this as? Taek silently saying "Ya~" because Duk Seon might get hurt from horsing around?
Or Taek silently saying "Ya~" because of too much skinship he's witnessing? LOL
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17 hours ago, raniryu said:
every JH and DS scene were also shared by TK and DS.
what I notice is TK and DS scene were almost always one step ahead in one way or anotherWe've got a loooooong list, but I`ll just add one more for today:
Jung Hwan and Duk Seon in a narrow alley (ep 3), their bodies pressed against each other.
Taek and Duk Seon in Taek's house (ep 6), their bodies pressed against each other. Only difference is: both had their hands/arms around each other.
15 hours ago, melissala said:She spent a lot of time in both households, but in general she took much more interest in Taek as a person than she did JH She'd go to JH's to eat ribs or bring food, or talk about JB, but she never really went there just to hang out with him like say DR did. She would spent time alone just talking with Taek though.
7 hours ago, raniryu said:Agree. She often go to his room to check his condition or simply to spend time with him. She likes doing that. TK could be sitting there and playing baduk without saying a single word to her and DS could just reading his manhwa or something and she still likes it. She doesn't have to defend herself in front of him. She could just be. He could just be. And in the end that's what's matters in the relationships. to be able to be yourself in front of your partner and stay true to who you really are. I ship them both so hard
Yep. Yep. Yep. It made me remember what Taek told her when she said she had study and had no time to hang out with him. He was like: "you study, I`ll find something to amuse myself. Just keep your Saturday open". They're totally acting like an old couple already even before they officially went out. They could be busy, were doing something else, but they just had to be in the same room and that alone was perfect moment. No wonder Ssangmundong neighbours never found out they were dating. In their eyes, they were still Taek and Duk Seon who held hands together, who hung out the most among the 5, who spent most of their time alone in Taek's room. Tsk tsk tsk. These dangerous roommates.
6 hours ago, tiendoank said:How can I order the blu-ray?? I live in Indonesia and for this one I really want to have the blu-ray version. Kind souls please help me. Thank you!
I`ll keep you guys up to date as more information about BluRay /DVD package comes out. But hmmmmmmmmm..... I think this is going to be an issue: Our location.
BluRay still has different regions like DVD
http://www.yesasia.com/us/customer-support/0-0-0-hti.1670-en/question-answer.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Region_codes
So double check if you're in the same region as Korea's. I`m not sure if BluRay players have multi-players too like DVD's? I`m not very familiar with players. I'd be great if someone could shed us some light. Anyways, double check that your player can play Korea's BluRay before purchasing anything
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Some updates on the Dvd/BluRay package https://twitter.com/reply1988dvd
So excited! Hopefully there will be enough number of orders for BluRay. After owning Healer BluRay, I want all of my KDrama collections to be in BluRay now.
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I`m gonna mention this now in case I forget to comment on it by the time we get to rewatch Ep 19.
Not sure if anyone shared this thought yet, anyways, I always laugh when ever I watch this scene, to the point that I have overlooked once again a very thoughtful gesture here by Taek!
This couple right here has never really changed over time.
Duk Seon lies and Taek lets her get away with it everytime.
Everytime.
He knew he was right, but he didn't fight over that fact with Duk Seon.
He made a fool of himself in front of the interviewer by taking his answer back and instantly agreed with her that their first kiss did happen in 1994.
It was as if it was natural thing for him now to do that - that Duk Seon is always right and he always gets the facts wrong
It's sooooo adorable that they have carried this habit till today. Somethings have never changed.
^I can actually picture Young Taek having this "I'm in trouble again" look on his face
When you first watch this, you'd think: Uh-oh he's in trouble. How could he mess up the year of their first kiss?! (I thought it was because he didn't know all this time)
But little did we know, Taek was actually right, and that he just let her get away with it again!
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5 hours ago, melissala said:I want more...
Let's spoil ourselves today, shall we?
WARNING HEAVY IMAGES. Everyone, please be careful of your browser. Open one spoiler tag at a time.
The YinYang Kiss. I seriously jawdropped when I first saw this. No doubt, the best KDrama Kiss scene I have seen. (I honestly forgot all those kiss scenes that TVN gave me a few dramas ago ) The cinematography was just beautiful. Every time I watch this scene, I am reminded that they were best friends who one day saw each other as "man and woman". That was the only thing missing in their relationship, and they had finally acted on it
SpoilerYeah?!
SpoilerI honestly loved how he just went in for the kiss. It reminded me of that scene when he just went for that big hug when she didn't give him one!
SpoilerMaster Choi's such an expert.
SpoilerMoaaaar.
SpoilerYep. Yep. Yep.
SpoilerSigh. No words.
SpoilerI just loved this part when they paused for a sec, stared at each other, and shared a small smile. Taek barely cracked a smile. You can definitely see where Taek's eyes had been on that entire moment. She's sooooo loved. Like, I can't~~
SpoilerOkaaaay moarrrrr.
SpoilerYep. Nope. They can't get enough of each other.
Anyone else gets distracted by Master Choi's hand when he reaches for her neck? Everytime?
SpoilerBE STILL, MY HEART.
ETA: AUUUGH. I was soo immersed in posting those gifs that I forgot to add this:
SpoilerSunTaek doing another interview (press conference this time)!
LOLOLOL. The description on the picture: "Yeobo, nice to see you~^^"
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7 hours ago, aoikarin said:
Look What I found here,.... Uri Bogummy and Hyeri still on their roles during Phuket trip 1988.. Husband Taek and Wife DS still labu labu mode on Phuket Trip. It's their Honeymoon trip together with the staff and casts.. LOL
I`m blind. I don't see them? Is that Bo Gum in red shirt on the front row holding onto his left leg?
ETA: v Thanks @salz ooops I meant his right leg. Yeah, no. For some reason I can't tell who that person is in blue shirt with shades on. Bo Gum tilted his head to that person. @aoikarin said SunTaek are in "Labu-labu mode" LOL, so I assumed they're sitting next to each other. It would be great if someone could label this pic about who is who! thanks!
ETA 2: Okay thanks @melissala So that person with shades on is really Hyeri. I was looking for a short haired girl, but I guess she might have had her hair pulled back. So that explains why he had his head tilted to her. Hee. Cute.
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22 hours ago, Meliere said:
So ... that leaves only 14 days (i.e. 2 freakin' weeks) during which DS was going after JH full-speed.
Ironically, or Intentionally(?), Duk Seon is over trying to look good in front of Jung Hwan by Ep 14.
13 hours ago, rynn_peace said:DeokSun is a girl who used to say she is okay at home, at society (Olympic 88 interview), to her friends, to her blind date's partner, to her boyfriend... Other people will see her as lovely and mature girl. But DeokSun, who always forces herself to say that she is okay eventhough she is not, actually is a girl who has low self esteem and just pretends to be okay.
Augh. This girl T___T She breaks my heart everytime. This is the girl whom everyone in Ssangmun-dong perceived as "wild, tough, whiny, wails everyday, petty". Little did they know the amount she gave up for people's satisfaction and how much she had let them pick her as the "other" option.
I`m glad she has Taek, who sees through all the things and feelings she hides.
I`m glad she has Taek who can see what other people have failed to see in her.
11 hours ago, aoikarin said:The way JH call DS: UGLY... Yikes really breaks my heart for DS. Why she keep receiving such abuse?
11 hours ago, packmule3 said:"Yah! Why are you disgusting using your hands? So disgusting."
And @13infamyss, he didn't call her Dukseon here, either. Just a yah.
He called her "Ugly" too in this episode when he told her not to eat Jung Bong's sausage. I`m heartbroken now seeing that Duk Seon actually turned her head when he called her "Ugly". I`m sure this wasn’t the first time either that Jung Hwan had called her “Ugly” – now she responds to this name, perhaps, because she must have gotten used to it. Oh this girl, her low self esteem is rooted so deep.
See, the very first time I watched this (waaay before Taek stole my attention), I seriously thought their dynamic was cute. How they treated each other was so different than how they treat the rest. How they snapped at each other brought back good old middle/high school memories. I enjoyed watching them snapping at the each other. I thought what they had right there would be something special in the long run. But these petty little things should only look cute at the beginning. If they were really the end game, bickering at each other should be just one of the things that made up their relationship; it should never be used as a foundation of their relationship. We never got a background story, that despite their constant bickering, these two people understood each other the best among all the 5 bestfriends. I had never felt that connection between them over time. (ie. Trash and Na Jung from Reply 1994 would constantly bicker but then he would call out to Na Jung if he needed something. Before he even asked what he wanted, Na Jung cut his question off and told him where to find it).
Anyways rewatching this episode, I had an idea……. Perhaps this bickering between them isn’t really a two-way bickering. I noticed that Jung Hwan would always start picking on her (most likely due to the fact that he liked her and wanted her attention), but there wasn’t a time Duk Seon ever started a fight with him. If anything Duk Seon, I think, because he was always picking on her, has become really careful around Jung Hwan (I`ll perhaps revisit this thought once we're in Ep 3)
11 hours ago, cooleet said:SW really likes BR. He knew who's the real owner of the jacket that DS is wearing. Taek was so jealous of DS and DR. He really is a messy drinker.
Y'know, in this scene, I just assumed that people, in that little community, knew each other so well to the point that they would even know who wore what. I was focused on finding cute things for both Sun Woo and Jung Hwan with Duk Seon that I overlooked at the fact that maybe Sun Woo knew that the jacket was her sister’s because he liked Bora.
What I had in mind, when I first watched this episode, was that Sun Woo knew that the jacket wasn’t Duk Seon's cause he knew Duk Seon so well and the clothes she owned. LOL. I was seriously shipping Duk Seon with all boys, it’s crazy. I was fine with any boys until SunTaek had slowly built a solid foundation as episodes went by.
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Anyways this episode was so much fun especially revisiting the novel scenes (I want to read that Dangerous Roomates too!) and that
birthdaywedding scene. I wish we had picture galore at the end of the drama that showed SunTaek as babies till 2016 events with the family of their own. I would have loved to see the pic that Jung Hwan took with Duk Seon and Taek in it on his 18th birthday!Also it’s adorable that technically it’s only Jung Hwan and Taek who exchange birthday presents every year. LOL. I wonder if they share the money to buy the other kids their birthday presents.
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Thanks for sharing your analysis guys! Glad to see we're still discussing the drama. I, too, still cannot get over it. I just wanted to talk about Taek and Duk Seon endlessly. I wish I could find time to rewatch the drama with you guys. Sadly, I`m glued to my seat here in my office 24/7 during this tax season But I would be glad to share my thoughts as well if I find time. Like now!
20 hours ago, lxands said:Check out their hands? They're not filming, just the via the one HR use foor selfie, but BG cover his hand over HR's...isn't it just fishy? Of cos I love fishy
I believe those were Hyeri's both hands? I see Bo Gum's right arm resting on his lap. His hand is right in front of his foot. I think this was also the time where Bo Gum commented that he should be helping Hyeri hold up the selfie-stick.
I'm glad that this photo finally showed up. I was waiting for that person who took this picture to share this online. I believe Bo Gum, at that time, was still so not used to people snapping pics of him - and then there's Hyeri who's like it's okay you`ll get used to it
19 hours ago, packmule3 said:1. He might have hyperacusis. Which is just a fancy way of saying that he can't tolerate loud sounds.
I think I'd go for this reason as well. As we can see, Taek is changing by the episode. As the story progressed, we could see Taek having fun watching her dance in Ep 8 and 16. Especially 16 - the boy's eyes are full of love watching her dance. So over time, I'd like to think that he became more tolerable and comfortable with noise (I bet this was one of the reasons why he didn't want to go back in time. He said he was very sensitive at that time - being so sensitive with noise was one of them) and accepted Duk Seon's wild side that came with the noise (her liveliness he came to fully accept). Speaking of, how cute was that in Ep 19 where Duk Seon stood up and danced to the song with everyone during Jung Hwan's parents' wedding! I noted that Taek's attention shifted and turn his head to her to watch her dance.
As for that dance scene in 2015, I don't really have a good theory behind his reaction when he saw her dancing again - I'd go for the theory that it was just one of those "deja vu" moments in 1988. (Like that Taek-NoEul-DukSeon scene).
18 hours ago, delulu4kdrama said:I think Sun Woo and Taek are the only 2 DS introduced without their last name. I guess that already gave some clues on the closeness of the relationship 27 years later.
OMG. I never noticed this! Honestly, you watch this series over and over again, and we still keep discovering something new with the drama.
17 hours ago, __jesse said:My take is, DS was never sure of Taek's feelings for her. Remember, Taek said he liked someone and was planning to confess soon. Plus, that morning after they kissed, DS dismissed it as a dream, and Taek said, "That's a relief." It's only natural for DS to assume that Taek didn't like her.
I just want to add on to your point. Did you guys see the mini-fraction of her reaction to Taek's "That's a relief" statement? It was in Ep 19. Her look betrayed her for a moment there, and I just soooo wished Taek turned his head to her faster so that he could see how much he broke her heart right there. The kiss got the best of her to the point that she couldn't sleep and was having a hard time to keep her feelings together, but then there was Taek who thought it was a relief that it never happened at all. ~_~
Her confidence plummeted down more when she thought Taek didn't feel the same as her, hence she decided to keep these feelings bottled in for years.
As we all agreed on this, Duk Seon wasn't the same person when she pursued Sun Woo and Jung Hwan. When she thought that the boys never liked her at all, her feelings moved on too. Fast. In contrast to when she figured out she was having a one sided love for Taek - it didn't matter how many guys she went out with, her feelings wouldn't and couldn't move on. At the end of the day, her feelings just grew stronger for him (those sleepless nights were taking a toll on her). It's heartbreaking to think that the scene in Ep 16 was just one of the many sleepless nights she had.
14 hours ago, packmule3 said:JH could have actually proposed in the jeep you know. On the way to the restaurant. If he really wanted to cross the line, he could have done it in the privacy of the jeep. He could have stopped the car somewhere and proposed earnestly. He had the ring after all. And he had the girl all to himself.
But no, he chose to do it instead, on the spur of the moment, at a restaurant, in front of the other guys.
JH deliberately proposed in front of a crowd, in front of the guys who would “rescue” him. Because if it wasn’t going to be a success, he could BAIL out. He could say, whoopsie, it’s a joke.
But JH made a spectacle of his proposal and made her the bu.t.t of jokes again.
Oh no. I never saw his confession this way, but reading this my heart broke for Duk Seon more. How many times do the boys have to make fun of her about her love life? I seriously think that Jung Hwan's confession was sincere and took a great effort from him to finally lay it all out. I would agree though that while I thought Jung Hwan's confession made me so proud of him for finally getting out of his comfort zone, something still felt a little off when he did this (especially he put Dong Ryong and Sun Woo in an awkward position - they had the looks of "wth is he doing" all over their faces).
My take on the reason as to why he didn't do it in the jeep was because Jung Hwan noted that she was preoccupied with her pager. He was bothered by the fact that he didn't have her full attention and that the pager kept her busy. I noticed that they were already on the main road, quite far from Ssangmundong until he reminded her to put her seatbelt on. I think he'd been observing her throughout the trip until he decided to snap her back to reality. Despite his intention to take a step closer to her, his fear got the best of him again. When he put a little smile on his face when Duk Seon first turned her head at the doorbell chime, I think he finally figured out whose message it was she waiting for in the car. He figured out who she had been waiting for all this time. And it wasn't him. The second time he noted Duk Seon looking at the door he wasn't smiling anymore. He knew his confession didn't and wouldn't make any difference.
In my opinion, he had to do it publicly (and totally out of his character) because in a way he wanted to let his bestfriends know that he, too, was in love with the same girl they were rooting Taek for. Since he knew it was a lost cause, he wanted them all present there when he finally confessed to her.
I remember someone posted on the main thread that she felt disappointed that Sun Woo and Jung Hwan’s closeness somehow died down as Sun Woo and Taek’s friendship grew stronger. My take on that was because Jung Hwan was keeping a secret from the gang, it took a toll on their friendship. He couldn’t be on the same boat with Sun woo and Dong Ryong in rooting for Taek because he, too, was in love with the same girl. And so he shied himself away, which eventually led to somehow putting a tiny dent on their friendship. His hidden/secret feelings created distance not only to Duk Seon, but to the rest of his bestfriends as well. So I wanted to interpret his confession to Duk Seon with the boys' presence as that he wanted to let them know that he had loved her too all this time and that he was now moving on. He wanted to remove that gap he unconsciously created between him and the boys while he secretly loved Duk Seon.
It's very nice that we all have different take on each scene, and I would love to hear more from you guys on how you saw Jung Hwan's confession with the boys' presence.
6 hours ago, __jesse said:If she was, and yet continued to invest her time and emotions in SW, what kind of a person would that make DS? An easy person who would board whichever ship is the nearest?
I'd prefer to think that what happened in China made DS change her perception of Taek. That was when she started seeing Taek as a man, and that was also when she realised her feelings towards Taek were in fact romantic in nature.
Must first love = last love? My first love is married with kids. What do I do?
I’d also like to think that the China trip changed Duk Seon so much and saw Taek in a different limelight. Perhaps, not yet love, but she was on the way to realizing that.
She wasn’t interested in Baduk before and took it way too lightly. Remember that scene in Ep 4 where she randomly picked up Taek’s Baduk table(?) to use it for ramyun pot since that was the closest item to her. All of them yelled at her for using that as a tool to hold the pot, but I’d like to think that it wasn’t much of an importance to her, and so she didn’t think twice to use that. However, her trip to China made her eyes open to how just important Baduk was for Taek. Overtime she made an effort to understand it better to be closer to him and to his world that seemed so far away from her.
In my opinion, Duk Seon was just like any other 18-year-old kid, wanting to feel and experience love she was seeing in other people’s relationship and reading from her romance novels. Like any other teenagers, she went through phases in discovering love (4 episodes each for both Sun Woo and Jung Hwan). She’s been looking for that love for herself, but little did she know that, that kind of love was just right under her nose.
I’d like to take that scene of her eyes fluttering when Taek stepped in way too close to her personal space (the first head resting scene) as one of the signs that she was feeling something for him, but couldn’t quite put her finger on it. The cake contest scene with Jung Bong and her invading Jung Hwan’s personal space during the “Don’t go” scene with her wide-eyed expression and not evading his intense stares were really noteworthy. I didn’t see the meaning behind those before, but wow, these just showed even more how much Jung Hwan’s presence never bothered her at all. In contrast to how much her eyes blinked and evaded his stares when Taek became way too close or those scenes in China where she silently observed Taek and how he functioned in the real world. Anyways I’d like to think her feelings for him were slowly and gradually changing as her search for that someone to love her continued. He has always been special to her, and she acts different around him. But she never fully realized that there was a reason to why she treated him differently, why she somehow didn’t want him to see her goof around too much (ie the lasso dance, burp scene), or why she was upset every time he bailed on meetups until it hit her. I’d like to think she had an epiphany that she was in love with her best friend in Ep 17.
In any case, I`m definitely up to read more of you guys’ different take on when Duk Seon realized her feelings for Taek!
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LOL. This is soo hilarious. I saw this on DC and laughed sooo hard.
So Duk Seon's dream really did come true..........
Her trench-coat romantic dream came true with her true love
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44 minutes ago, .crestfallen. said:
Do Director's Editions generally include all major deleted scenes or only those requested by viewers??
Hmmm yeah, at the end of the day, it still will be up to the director's discretion on which deleted/NG/BTS he will include on the DVD. But if we've got quite a lot of voices to include specific scenes we know that should have been in the episode, then we might get what we want.
Also, most of the time we won't have knowledge which specific scenes were deleted. Reply 1988 is a different case since we've seen/heard them film a specific scene that weren't shown.
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1 hour ago, Betsi Soma said:
@13infamyss Omg I did never think of purchasing a drama DVD...I may have missed a lot of good scene from my fav dramas T_T from which website do u usually buy the dvds ?
The DVDs with packages are limited edition. I usually purchased them while the iron is still hot (ie. as soon as the news that the DVD is in the works). My recent collection is Healer BluRay package. Here's my post about it http://forums.soompi.com/en/topic/343605-drama-20142015-healer-힐러/?do=findComment&comment=19142374 (You might get startled at the price I mentioned. But I spent that amount of dollar because of the shipping and other customs attached to it. And Canadian currency is really bad right now. Anyways usually DVD packages are around 120-130 US dollars. But of course, BluRay will be more expensive. All the dvd packages I've got are totally worth to collect. I can't wait till I get a piece of Taek-Dukseon stack up in my room as well^_^)
The limited edition DVD Packages are usually bought from innolife.net (It's a Japanese website with English service as well. That's the only means of distribution the DVD packages of Korean organizers to international fans) I'm not sure how they're going to distribute the Reply 1988 DVD, but it's possible they`ll use that site again for international fans. All my DVDs are bought from there. Like I said, they only produce limited edition for Director's cut (Healer had only 2,000-3,000 copies available). So grab one while it's available.
Anyways as of now, when you send them an email, you're not committed yet into buying. They just want fans' opinions on what they should include in the package. So it would be great if we could all pitch in our ideas. You don't necessarily have to agree to purchase it. The more responses they get, the faster they are in processing it. I had to wait like I think 4-6 months before I got my Healer Blu Ray.
Hope that helps answer your questons!
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2 hours ago, libra83 said:
Don't say to me that Taek only knows baduk ha...he can speak very sweet things...
So, What is your favorite conversation?
I've got lots. Actually all of them, but something that sticks out for me for now is that scene in Taek's hotel room where he said "You should go lock your room. Who knows know what I might do in this state."
Like, that's sooooo flirty. Master Choi keeps wowing me every time. There's really no way you`ll know everything about Taek. He keeps surprising you at every turn.
1 hour ago, pixiemoondust said:Hahaha this. I found it really hilarious and adorable that DS kept on wearing the lipstick because TK said she was pretty with that lipstick even though the people around her kept on remarking that it's weird. DS only hears TK, the rest is just white noise.
Awww yes so true. Only Taek's words matter to her.
23 minutes ago, Betsi Soma said:Guys...I wanna ask something....Do Dramas DVD usually contain cuts that didn't make it in the aired version ? so is there a possibility that in the DVD we may see the "swings" scene?
If it a director's cut DVD, yes. We will get deleted scenes incorporated in the episodes. I've had quite a few Korean Drama Director's cut DVD packages, and they always had deleted scenes in the episodes.
One of my favourite things about the K-drama dvds is the package. They're so pretty and heavy. Lots of goodies included, there's just no way you'd want to miss owning one for yourself.
So make sure when you e-mail them, tell them you want the director's edition. Or we might only get what we saw on tv and no goodies
Here are the choices of edition they are contemplating on releasing:
Quote1.Original edition- These are made of only what was on-air. Bloopers and extra clips are mostly not included.
2.Premium edition- Original edition(has a possibility of being re-edited or non-edited) + Extra clips and many more privilege
3.Director's edition-The director re-edits what was originally put on-air himself(clips that were deleted due to time shortage or parts that wasn't really perfectly edited) + Extra clips and many more privilege.
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9 hours ago, moonkeeper said:No. The BETTER interpretation here is that he teared up because he realized that for six long years, DS had been running scared, all by herself, thinking that she did something to jeopardize THEIR friendship. He cried because he realized that she suffered needlessly because of him. Had he confessed or acted that time or not held back then, then they wouldn't be in this sticky situation at all. True, they “wasted” six years because of a misunderstanding, but mostly it was his own doing. His fault. HE didn’t cross the line himself. He hesitated.
Lol. When it counted the most, he didn’t cross the line either. He left DS stranded there, in a limbo. And he was sorry.
I loved everything about this post, especially this. See, I believe in Karma. What goes around comes back around.
That one time Taek didn't cross the line, it cost him 6 years of agony - Him having to date around, him having to see Duk Seon date other guys, him having to lie to his bestfriend about the wallet and lived with it, and him hurting Duk Seon the most. Everything happened because he hesitated and got scared of the consequences of his confession. His hesitation cost him much more had he pushed his plan through to confess. So in a way, karma came back right at him, punished him a 6-yr agony, hurt him doubled, tripled for his one mistake.
Now imagine Jung Hwan, who hesitated most of his life, to fight for his love. Karma would definitely be way harsher to him. He got punished as he stepped back a few more, constantly growing the distance between him and Duk Seon. When he finally realized his fault, it cost him much more. He lost the girl, and time will not and cannot let him fix his mistake.
I`m really scared of Karma, you guys. You always get what you paid for.
This is most likely why Taek didn't want to lie again when Duk Seon asked him to in Ep 20. He knows how much it's going to hurt them as they play around with time. When is ever a good time? I mean, what if their parents ended up being okay with them dating? They thought it was impossible, but they'll see how Taek and Duk Seon are so into each other, so they will give their blessings one way or another (Just like what they did with Sun Woo and Bora).
Really wonderful post. Looking forward to read more!
2 hours ago, nuckertuck said:Do I claim sexism as a reason as to why her actions are disregarded as motherly? Honestly, a bit. Look, if a guy went through the trouble of packing all of my stuff, making sure my bed was warm, making sure I was eating when he knew I wasn't well during a trip, I would probably swoon over him. I don't believe that I would consider the actions as fatherly.
Thanks for bringing this up. We have this stigma in our society. Being a wonder woman for the man you love is unheard of.
I posted something like this on the main thread about Ep 9. While people saw Duk Seon's actions as motherly acts, I perceived otherwise. I thought she was a wifely material having to foresee Taek's needs and comfort before he even said anything. He didn't need words, Duk Seon could tell right away just by looking at him. However, somebody made an argument about my post that it was a very conventional way of thinking about wives and that they do not cater to their husbands anymore in this day and age. I responded back saying, this is the problem we have. We see women looking after her man, and we found it very degrading and sexist. That it should always be the other way around. It's us, women, who degrade ourselves for thinking this way. Why couldn't we look after our man out of our love for him? Why does it have to be labelled as "wife's duties" when we see to our man's needs? Why can't it be something simple as an act of love and care for that person?
And this "looking after" act goes both way. Taek looks after her too. He has his fair share of swoon-worthy actions. He knows Duk Seon just as much as Duk Seon knows him. In Ep 5, when Jung Hwan and Taek run into her one morning, Jung Hwan told her to open her eyes (meaning: she slept very well and was having a hard time waking up). But Taek asked: Did you not get any sleep? (meaning: she didn't get much sleep. She looked like she needed more sleep). Duk Seon nodded at his question. See, they've been always on the same wavelength. They understood each other better than anyone would. They know something is up just by looking.
Let's not even talk about the number of times Duk Seon lies through her teeth to save her poor low self-esteem and Taek sees through all of them. I mean it's another topic at another time
Anyways speaking of looking after: another cute scene in Ep 19 when they were at a restaurant. It's soooo adorable that Duk Seon looks through the menu to find something for Taek first. Always her priority. It's never changed.
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Also guys, don't forget and if you haven't done this yet, please email them your request for BluRay/DVD of this beautiful drama! We need to have a physical copy of Taek-DukSeon as well as BTS of Hyeri and Bogum! https://twitter.com/reply1988dvd
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13 hours ago, PinkSpider03 . said:
I suspected there were a lot of missing scenes like what was she doing all the time from 1989 to 1994? How did she understand Baduk so well? How did everyone in the Baduk club knows Duk Seon and she even paired her friend with Taek's manager? The stewardess and baduk circle are all talking about how close both Duk Seon and Taek are. I would think that even though both hid their feelings in those last years, they still try their best to keep in touch much more than the other friends.
Yes, even outside their Ssangmun-dong neighbourhood, Taek and Duk Seon are still connected. Two different circle of peers became one over time - now they hang around the same circle of peers. I`m sure the scene in chap Ep 19 wasn't the first time too that Duk Seon and Taek happened to be overseas for work and stayed in one hotel.
Speaking of peers, look at what we've got here!
They've finally met Badukie~!
And hey! Joey Wang, STOP STARING! Now I know why you kept sabotaging Duk Seon's love interests. Your ulterior motives are finally showing.
25 minutes ago, tiendoank said:Anyone know the bgm song Ep 20 when Taek came out of house early in the morning to walk her to work and she came out at night to see him?? I desperately want to listen to it in a full song. Thanks in advance for the help.
It's my most favourite Taek-DukSeon song! It's called Miracle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDzZyaE9rpE
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5 hours ago, PBJayism said:
she started to become more involved in his world of baduk when from the very start she knew nothing and didn't care for it, s
Yes to all things you said, especially this. In Ep 6, she kept asking Sun Woo about Baduk's technicalities, but by ep 19 Taek's manager praised Duk Seon that she knew all about Baduk now. She's growing bit by bit and her world starts to revolve around Taek - it's unfortunate that not all of us are seeing her change and the pace she is heading to.
8 hours ago, lxands said:Bickering couples are cute, given if both partners have high confidence level & self assurance, which is not in DS's case. Calling her ugly & stupid made her confidence drop even more especially on being loved. And JH did this often, up until before his confession in 1994, that she yell at him to give her a break. Thus it cud be cute for some but for others like DS, it can tiring.
This is why I felt like something was off with Jung Hwan and Duk Seon's dynamic as the story progressed, and I got frustrated over time. I never saw them grow "together". While bickering, getting flustered, and acting all cute around your crush are very adorable scenes at first, but they're very minimal things that make up a good and strong relationship. It's the sense of comfort and simple happiness (such as just being by your partner's side) that are the strong fundamentals of a relationship. If you can be comfortable around your significant other, then you're in it for a long haul regardless of the drama/angst that goes in your way. She was never comfortable with Jung Hwan when she was crushing on her, neither with Sun Woo. See what happened when she gave up chasing them, she started to be comfortable around them again - laughing and sharing jokes with them just like good old days.
With Taek, even when she was having a "one-sided" love for him for 6 years, her friendship with him was never awkward. Their relationship never changed for the worst as they moved up in their career. Heck Duk Seon even became close friends with his managers. In the 6 years she was harbouring her feelings for Taek, his and her world became much closer (both knew who their dates were! Everyone in Baduk knew who Duk Seon is. Makes me wonder how often she goes there.). As opposed to when she liked Jung Hwan, the more she wanted to get closer to Jung Hwan, the more his and her world were breaking apart .
2 hours ago, azuralidin_1393 said:can anyone tell me the title of the song played during their 'dating flashback scene? thanks!
OMG. That song has become one of my favourites now! The song is Miracle https://youtu.be/bAbAT8nTCzg
I get goosebumps from listening to it. All of BGM songs for Taek and Duk Seon I've already downloaded and now they've been on constant repeat on my iPod! I can't stop listening to their songs. They're sooo good.
1 hour ago, lxands said:I miss this part. Did she really can't burp in front of him? Which episode? Whoa....must run and watch it again
It's from Ep 16, beginning scene where Duk Seon had an indigestion and Taek offered her some meds.
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2 hours ago, alayna said:
SW and JH worked hard to drag DR back home but TK and DS, as usual, were in their own world, just there to enjoy the view and snacks.. lol
2 hours ago, melissala said:That's such a good point. At the time I was like, "why are letting her be alone with Taek JH, you are dumb", but really JH didn't have a choice in the matter. DS naturally gravitated to Taek and made her choice to sit with him, and enjoy the snacks away from the rest of them.
And you guys realize this was again during her crush and AFTER he said don't go on the blind date. So she thought JH liked her, but didn't complain she couldn't go home with him or that she was stuck with Taek. She enjoyed her time with him.
LOL. I totally laughed out loud when I read a post on the main thread about Jung Hwan telling her not to go on a blind date, but she ended up going on a beach date with blinding sun setting in the background and them holding hands. LOL. I think it was PM3's post?
See, here is the thing, Jung Hwan is like the viewers of this drama. He overlooked Duk Seon and Taek's relationship as a mere friendship/kingship. Nobody has ever questioned their relationship because they're used to seeing them together all the time. In Episode 4, Jung Hwan freaked out twice at the thought of Duk Seon being alone with two of the boys. First, with Sun Woo when he injured himself and Duk Seon told him to go home. Second, when he walked in to Taek's room and saw Dong Ryong's arm around Duk Seon's shoulder. He overreacted with the wrong boys. But there was never a time he ever freaked out that Duk Seon and Taek were always together (not even when she went away to China with him). Like the viewers, Jung Hwan didn't think much more of their relationship.
Or perhaps, he`s been always aware of it - it's just that he knew it was something he couldn't get in between. As melissala said, she naturally gravitated to Taek.
1 hour ago, Raphelancia said:Yes, i think DS's feeling towards Taek grows fiercer after the China trip on EP9, right when she's supposed to be 'crushing' on JH.
Ahh I love this. Thanks for listing these beautiful moments. I`m once again remembering how many more things we can talk about Duk Seon and Taek. Exploring and analyzing their moments will be never ending. There's always room for interpretation the more we re-watch these scenes. I would like to comment, for now, that as her search for that someone to love her continues, her relationship with Taek deepens. And when she had her epiphany, the feelings suddenly overwhelmed her. She's been looking far and wide, completely missing the fact that what she's been looking for so long is just right under her nose all this time. Totally relatable - her love story is.
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3 hours ago, melissala said:She also often times picked TK over JH while in the middle of her "crush". She went to his room and stayed there when she could have been spending time with JH.
YES! This scene (perhaps you were talking about Ep 11 when Duk Seon brought over lunch to Taek?) Anyways that specific scene in Ep 11 had been bugging me for a while now. I couldn't get it out of my head. I kept pondering why she'd rather stay and spent the rest of her time making sure Taek finished his food. That was around the time she was crushing on Jung Hwan and supposed to have lunch with him. But she stayed with Taek reading manhwa as he ate.
Now I finally figured out what that meant, Taek is her priority. He has always been. And this is why Dong Ryong asked her to choose between Jung Hwan or Sun Woo and not Jung hwan and Taek. Because if he did, and if the writer gave her the option, we would have figured out right away who the end game is. She would always choose Taek over anything. And I can see this now as a big problem if they didn't end up together because he`ll always be there, right there, between Duk Seon and her man. She`ll always worry for him and her boyfriend would be on the sideline, watching them as jealously grows within him.
2 hours ago, otomame said:When she was "crushing" on SW and JH she did all those crazy things to get their attention and make them confess to her but when Deoksun started liking Taek she never did anything unusual to impress him or get his attention (except for wearing a skirt but that's something else). Which is a good thing, because it means Deoksun has always been her true self around Taek and that she honestly likes him out of her own will.
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Yes, this has been my argument since Sun Woo, unknowwingly, broke her heart. She always "shoves" herself to them, it's embarrassing. It's so painful to see her try her very best to impress Sun Woo and Jung Hwan to the point she lost her true self. And that's why I wasn't happy with how Duk Seon and Jung Hwan were progressing (or lack thereof). Falling in love should be a natural thing. Look at what happened when she fell for Taek, she didn't need to wear thick makeup or do other crazy things to get his attention. Instead, she tried to keep her feelings locked up when they got so real and raw to protect her relationship with Taek. She never shoved herself to him and never lost her true self while loving him.
2 hours ago, melissala said:Junghwan's "love" story does not actually involve Deok-Sun at all. I don't even think now they would have worked out even if he had confessed when she was looking for love. She'd always go back to taking care of Taek and picking him over Junghwan.
And this is why I think Taek's flashbacks in Ep 20 were more beautiful than Jung Hwan's. Even though we mostly got repeats of previous scenes, but I thought they were beautiful and totally pulled on my heartstrings because it was memories of them "together." Taek's flashbacks were mostly about the things he and Duk Seon did together (piggyback, sleeping over in his room, hug, asking her out to see a movie, shielding her from soccer ball, kiss) instead of a series of flashbacks of the stuff he did for Duk Seon. His flashbacks were Duk Seon's memories too.
Jung Hwan's flashbacks, while also beautiful, but they're very heart wrenching. They heavily focused on the stuff he did for Duk Seon secretly. His memories were never about the stuff he did together with Duk Seon. It showed how much of a one sided love it was for him.
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3 hours ago, melissala said:
As someone who shipped JH/DS for about half the drama, those scenes (the I'll seduce him and I'll marry him) at the time were mostly ignored because JH WAS THE HUSBAND. They were throwaway scenes that were jokes, but looking at the clues again (and packmule was totally right all the "weddings" that TK/DS had), then it becomes obvious. The writer actually beat it over our heads that DS would marry Taek. I think that's the big problem with some people is that they viewed the drama through JH's and didn't pay any attention to anything else. They'll get offended if you tell them that though, but that's what "blinded by the husband hunt" means.
I agree. Most of the times we overlooked little things like these scenes and brush them off as "trolls" being thrown at us by the director and writer. That's the price we had to pay for the fun in looking for clues and hints of who the husband is. I mean they're super interesting - that's the reason why most of us here have been a big fan of Reply series since 1997. We enjoy looking for clues here and there to justify that this man and not that other man is the husband. It brings so much stress (emotionally and physically - I wake up at crack of dawn just to watch this live), but we still end up being sucked in to the husband hunting game. In exchange for that kind of fun, we missed out on the opportunities to see the characters' inner feelings and struggles whenever they allow us in to their thoughts. For example, that scene from Ep 10 about the boys teasing Duk Seon to marry Taek. We brushed it off as a troll, but little did we know that we were actually given an access to what and how Duk Seon see Taek as - that she doesn't see him as a blood-related family at all, and in her eyes, whoever marries him is one lucky girl. I mean, this is a discussion she had with her bestfriends, it's got to matter somehow.
It's also funny that she gets offended (twice it happened) to know that Taek would only marry her as a last resort. Her mom in Ep 6 said it's possible that they might end up together since Taek knew no other girls, but only Baduk. And she had her antenna up asking "Why, what's wrong with me?!". And then in Ep 10 when Don Ryong said Taek should consider going out with her to experience life difficulties. That's the only time she raised her voice to object to their jokes and said "HEY!". She didn't like the idea that people see her as no match for Taek - ironically, I found it odd that she said she`d be lucky to marry him. Even if she meant that as a joke. Shouldn't it be the the other way around? She should have said to Taek "Consider yourself lucky, I`ll look after you for the rest of my life". Instead she, too, agreed that she'd have more benefits from marrying him. Her low-self esteem is soo deep, she breaks my heart.
2 hours ago, Meliere said:BTW @13infamyss WELCOME BACK!! omg I missed you. I've always looked forward to your insightful posts. <3
Ahhhh~ thank you! Hopefully we could discover more things that makes Taek and Duk Seon's relationship so beautiful as we re-watch the series over and over. I`m sure I`m not the only one here still going over their scenes together. I`m going through such a major withdrawal right now; it will take a while for me to get over the fact that this drama is done. Usually my withdrawals are over by the time I own a physical copy of a drama, so that means it will take me months and months to get over Reply 1988. So I`ll most likely camp out here to read and talk about Taek and Duk Seon with you guys till I get my BluRay. ^___^
2 hours ago, Meliere said:the I HAVE NO RICHARD SIMMONS CLUE WHO THE HUSBAND CONTENDERS ARE, BUT I'M WITH TAEK'S ROOM DAMN IT thread.
2 hours ago, salz said:ehh is it confirm gonna be reply 1974? it this year gonna start?wow that so fast...i thought of get some break from any kdrama for a while but now this news lmao.what is break..
but no matter what always gonna go back to this series but im seriously tired of the husband hunt and the ridiculous shipper...and like you i don't want to be in sane ship with those scary jh shipper and their mean self i wish they just stop watching any reply if they hate the script so much and let the people appreciate it enjoy without the hate...i block so many people in twitter since it like their place to spread hate to taeksun lol im so glad i have this forum as safe place
maybe i just gonna wait until the drama end and the husband announce to start watching lol but im so impatient im fail with r88 since i want to do that but end up watching real time and drag into warzone again lol never learn my lesson since 94 but still im glad to meet you all lovely soul in this thread..
OMG 1974! We're totally going back in time, like that's not even my era (I just did the math and OMG, my mom was only 12 at that time!)
We were skeptical about 1988 and how it was going to attract the viewers, yet the director and writer had shown their magic once again. So I`m sure 1974 will be something we're going to be crazy about too!
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Anyway guys, here's how I survived all Reply series so far and how I was always on point in who ends up with who. I mean it might take me a long time to figure it out, but I always get the right endgame couple before the series ends (be it drama, manga, or anime). I weigh which loveline spent most of the time growing together. That's always the main factor - growth development of the couple. I look at which scenes the main girl is most happy and comfortable to be with. The angst should only be a secondary factor. The main reason why we love someone is because we're happy and content with that person regardless of the drama it brings us. So happiness and comfort in the relationship should definitely be greater than angst.
This was my problem with Reply 1988, just like Duk Seon I've been jumping around between guys until the end of Ep 16. She didn't know her true feelings, and that's why I didn't know mine either. I was rooting for Sun Woo at first and then Jung Hwan stole the scenes from him. I patiently waited until Duk Seon reciprocated his feelings, but I got so frustrated because the show wasn't giving me what I wanted. And then, I noticed that Taek and Duk Seon's scenes always brought smile to my face the more I got frustrated with Jung hwan and Duk Seon's progress. I ended up looking forward to Taek and Duk Seon's scenes together as the story progressed. By the end of Ep 16, it brought me to tears that Duk Seon was already in love. Like finally! I've waited so long to see her react that way. I rewatched the scenes of her and the boys after Ep 16, and saw that she spent most of the time with Taek - both of them were growing not only individually, but together as well. That's when I first had the gut feeling he might be the husband.
As for the ship wars, well it comes with Reply series now, or any other series that have unknown couple. We will always try to reason out why this couple we ship is the endgame, and not the other couple. It's really hard when things get ugly with ship wars, it takes away the fun of the drama and couple endgame hunt, but what can you do. We're always emotionally invested in the stories that are just wonderfully written. You'll get used to it over time. I did, now I just ignore posts with baseless accusations and arguments, keeping in mind that I`m watching a series or reading a manga/novel for fun.
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On to the viewers’ idea that Duk Seon sees Taek as her younger brother. There are quite a few scenes I saw that somehow contradict this idea. (I've been rewatching scenes of Duk Seon with both guys every week while waiting for new episodes to come out).
- In episode 6, her mother mentioned that she would like the idea of Taek as her son-in-law. Duk Seon suggested to her mother that she should just seduce and marry him – problem solved.
- In episode 10, when the boys teased her to take full responsibility of Taek for the rest of her life, she responded in a heartbeat that she would do that and she would even get a great deal out of it.
If Duk Seon ever saw Taek as a blood-related family, she would have been appalled at the thought of marrying him. She would have screamed at the top of her lungs at the boys for teasing her and say: "Ewww, stop! He's like a brother to me". Never did once Duk Seon ever said she saw him as a little brother (unlike Bora when she rejected Sun Woo and said she never saw him as a man at all). When Dong Ryong said that they suit each other, Duk Seon scoffed saying, “What’s with you guys? Are you all crazy?”. She didn’t yell at Dong Ryong for suggesting how they suit each other and that it’ll never be like that with her and Taek. She only scoffed at his comment because things were getting really awkward with the boys pairing them together – but she obviously never dismissed that idea.
One of Duk Seon’s greatest personality traits that I loved is that she goes out of her way for people she cared so much. If the viewers ever saw her “babying” Taek (although I really hate using that word), it’s because he is so special to her and she’s ready to give it all for Taek without expecting anything in return. That’s just her nature. She’s happy as long as she sees and knows Taek is comfortable. The way she gives love is extraordinary like that.
In episode 6, when her girlfriends talked about how lucky she was to hang out with Taek and that the rest of the world saw him as a god – she grimaced saying there’s nothing so great about him and wished he would talk more whenever they are together. However going back to Episode 10, she perceived marrying Taek as a great deal. Meaning, whatever she said to her friends, a few episodes ago, were just empty words as she tried to deviate their attention from Taek and his “godliness”.
Even if Taek rarely spoke, there was obviously never a dull moment with him. We’ve seen Duk Seon hangs out with Taek in his room even without the rest of the boys. She enjoys his company even though they just sit there in his room doing nothing (at most, I picture Taek will be busy with Baduk and she`ll busy herself with, I don’t know, maybe eating ramyun).
She considered herself lucky if she were to marry this guy – this “boring” guy who doesn’t speak a lot. At 18, I’m sure Duk Seon is old enough to realize the weight of her words. Unconsciously she thinks Taek is a husband material - that whoever marries him is one lucky girl.++
Ahhh~ now that the drama has finally ended, although I`m sad that it ended, I`m happy at the same time since I can freely talk about it now! (It was hard in the past few weeks due to the dramas between fans of different camps going on. I didn’t want to get caught in between given my status) But I’ve always been wanting to share my thoughts (I`m a big fan of this series!) – I`m glad I can finally do it. Hopefully you guys are still up for discussions regarding Duk Seon and Taek’s moments as there’s just so many to analyze and talk about. One of them is whether Duk Seon has ever seen Taek as a brother – and given the arguments I listed, I conclude no. What do you guys think about it?- 37
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27 minutes ago, cheersmyself said:
In my opinion, i found it strange that they leave the ring on the table. Maybe, is it part of Taek's plan to propose DS? They purposely live the ring and TK would pick up the ring after they left and chase DS?
It was very note worthy too, but I didn't include it in my Episode 18's observation since that abandoned ring was not really a scene for Taek and Duk Seon. At least in my opinion, it wasn't intended. I have a separate view on that favouring Jung Hwan and Duk Seon.
In any case, we've seen the pattern here guys - we are always introduced to Jung Hwan's POV first and then Taek's would come later (their love interest, "noble idiocy", Duk Seon's treatment of them when she had taken interest in them - they all came in order). I believe Taek's turn will be next - his confession, exploring when he first liked her, cute things he did for Duk Seon, etc - things that happened in today's episode will mirror Taek's POV too. That's what I believe, and that's why we didn't get a scene of him throwing the match to rush to the concert today. Whether those flashbacks will favour him or not now depends on Duk Seon and her heart.
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Hey guys, just thought I`d drop by and list some scenes in Ep 18 that I observed that would catch your interest in this loveline.
Duk Seon, for the first time in Ep 18, is meeting her best friends in a dress in the very last scene (we've got 3 scenes of the best friends hanging out and 2 of the scenes had Duk Seon in pants). Duk Seon wore a dress for her date (she and her sister are so much a like, no wonder Taek said she was Bora's reincarnation) Was she trying to look pretty and girly again in front of one of her best friends?
In Jung Hwan's car, she was occupied by her pager (was she anticipating a message from someone? She didn't look too happy that at 7:09PM still no new message received). It obviously didn't escape Jung Hwan's attention and reminded her to put her seat belt on.
Duk Seon's head turn and look of anticipation twice when the door chimed in only to be disappointed was very note worthy - even Jung Hwan noted it. Twice.
This episode highlighted Jung Hwan's effort in getting to the concert to see Duk Seon. I have the feeling we might be seeing Taek's POV in rushing to get to Duk Seon next time since his nonchalant reaction (boy is always expressionless) to the discussion on Duk Seon being stood up at the concert to him getting there just at the right time gasping for breath was not seen in this episode.
There were two scenes in today's episode that made me think something happened at the concert. First scene - the sisters both asked each other what time they got home - it must be reaaaalllly late and they were too tired and occupied about something that they just went to bed without noticing each other (Bora had a blind date with Sun Woo - Duk Seon went to the concert with Taek. In my opinion these two scenes were big). The second scene - Going back to my first and second paragraph - Duk Seon was noted wearing a dress after the concert and looking like she's anticipating for something (pager, the door chime, her small smile when Sun Woo said Taek's coming in later).
Anyways, I don't know if they're going to be a part of a bigger picture, but I just thought I'd share those because they definitely caught my attention!
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Park Bo Gum ❤ Girl's Day Hyeri aka REPLY 1988 TAEK x DEOKSUN
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Yes. Just like how Shi Won and Na Jung chose the one who made them feel more at home with, Duk Seon did too. When Duk Seon's feelings became clearer, it's become obvious too how much Taek feels "home" to her everytime.
Those were the good swoon worthy memories. I enjoyed... still enjoy watching those scenes. His swoon-worthy actions always make me remember high school - you wanted to act on your feelings, but didn't want to make it too obvious. Your crushing on that person, secretly smiling to yourself once you got a glance of him/her for at least a day. They were good memories. But that's where his love story ends. It never got developed because it was not meant to be. In Jung Hwan's story, his first love isn't his last love. And that's perfectly fine. He`ll learn his lesson, and won't make the same mistake again once another girl comes his way.
"DS was never part of jh lovestory. He was so lonely in it." - When I saw Taek's flashback in Ep 20, that's what I thought of his flashback too in Ep 18. While Taek's flashbacks were mostly the things he did with Duk Seon, Jung Hwan's were mostly the things he did for Duk Seon.
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I was so inspired by the song Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You that was in Ep 3 that we rewatched on Saturday. Especially when you guys highlighted the song was so much a SunTaek song. So I tried playing around the SunTaek scenes with this song, and I loved it! It was totally a perfect song for SunTaek. Their's is that kind of love that didn't change - as what Duk Seon and Taek affirmed to Ssangmungdong neighbours. It makes you wish you had a childhood sweetheart too to grow old with. Anyways, I thought I'd share it