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    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    I read an excellent post on timeline branching & thought you all might be interested...


    Written by Kim Yoonmi
    http://www.dramabeans.com/2012/10/faith-episode-20/#comments

    The thing is that the drama so far is predisposing a branching timeline theory. I’m pretty sure people are going to be uber upset at the end when they find that it is a branching timeline theory, because:

    There are no paradoxes in a branching timeline theory

    You think it’s a time loop, but at two points already we know that it *has* to be a branching timeline.

    1. The Trap

    She said that the trap *happened* and that Choi Young *died* according to the diary.

    If he wasn’t there, he wouldn’t have *died*. As in Future Eun Soo’s timeline Choi Young was dead.

    As in it happened, and he was gone, dead, and buried.

    But nothing happened to the current timeline, the fabric of time didn’t collapse.

    Event 2: What happened in *this* episode.

    This new Eun Soo of the future supposedly *already* went to the future, got some film canister, and went to the past of current Eun Soo.

    She said that it already happened that Noguk *died*, the King fell apart and Choi Young ended up (in summary) sad and blaming her, never to smile at her again. That she ran in fear.

    As in *that* happened.

    Clue 3: I submit to the jury what is known as Il Mare.

    Used a branching timeline and broke people’s heads over trying to figure it out. Also all those radio-themed movies.

    So then, how does a branching timeline work?

    Part A:
    At any given point a person is given CHOICES.

    So, I’m choosing to type right now. Could I be doing something like traveling the world (far fetched choice) or I could be doing something like taking a shower (less far fetched choice)

    Part B: The potential to choose those choices creates dimensions of parallel existence *when not chosen* but in time travel can coexist.

    So, the fact I’m typing to you now means that the choice to take a shower has vanished, but it’s now in a parallel dimension.

    Part C: Time travel only travels along the path of choices and going back in time *erases* those choices thus any point in time can be rewritten for *change*.

    Thus, if Eun Soo goes further back than current Eun Soo, she still can *not* exist, but it would be in a different parallel dimension.

    So the fact that future Eun Soo rewrote current Eun Soo’s present by staying here and the message *did not disappear* means that we are most likely on the *branching timeline* model. ’cause if it were the circular linear model, then the message, by tradition would disappear entirely from the timeline. But they are coexisting along with the diary.

    This is so a branching timeline model. And I know people are going to go on and on about Paradoxes, but I’ve found that the *majority* of time travel done in Eastern Dramas do the branching model (which has no predestiny to it since it’s dependent on individual choices) rather than predestiny model of fate and no choices. (Which seems backwards, but yeah)

    So the Eun Soo of the Future *is not* our Eun Soo and our Eun Soo will neither be Diary Eun Soo (as with the pot breaking and Choi Young dying) nor the Eun Soo who wrote the message in the Film Canister. (Because in that the Kingdom crumbled already and CHoi Young hated her, and this Choi Young doesn’t)

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    The Branching Timeline for geeks fits into the string theory model, which is why it’s becoming popular…

    Anyway, parallel dimensions of choices made is how this all works out. So you can have millions of Eun Soo, but what counts is *current* Eun Soo’s decisions, so she has volition and agency. It will not be fatalistic because current Eun Soo can make decisions on her own.

    She *could* have run and went through the door but she didn’t.

    Branching Timeline does run into the whole Dues Ex machina, however, the consequences outlined here are different. Eun Soo said that she wanted to see her family and friends from the future–she can’t go back and do that. She can’t go back and get medical supplies. She can’t jump whenever she wants to. If she screws up in her current choices, her future *as she knows it* is also screwed up (Which makes for a different Eun Soo jumping back). She could make Noguk end up living. Then her future as she knows it is something else. She could end up killing Choi Young before the legends are made. So she can *still* screw up. =P Find the magical thing that gives everyone powers and take that away.

    The problem with the circular timeline besides being fatalistic is that there are no consequences for current action because you can just lay back and do absolutely nothing and it still will happen. No matter how you mess with it, the timeline will prevent you from doing anything, which means the character has absolutely no agency and there is no real consequence for the action.

    You can think of the branching timeline like a tree or a bunch of railroad tracks where the track switches. So if she screws up and goes to the future, the future she sees will be different. because she’s on a different railroad track and the sum of choices is different.

    Branching timeline model would also allow in some sense for two simultaneous versions of oneself to coexist as well. Because they aren’t the same person. The one in the future is the *potential* person that the other can become.

    This might make it possible for her to save Choi Young (from his terrible History book fate) and save Queen Noguk, which is an interesting possibility. Then this would go from a time travel story to an alternate reality time travel story.


    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    For Kim Hee Sun, this is her drama comeback so I do feel a bit bummed out for her that her drama doesn't do well in the rating games.  Its just that this drama has its chance in the beginning but the first 3 weeks, let's be honest here, it wasn't that captivating ... 
    But hey, this drama rocks ONLINE!  Not just overseas but domestically it's being searched the most & such.  
    icesiren said: Let's try and be supportive. Ratings (and these are so subjective, IMHO); editing errors; and other issues aside, i still think Faith is the best drama on the M/T schedule. Certainly, its the only one that keeps me online late at night, trying to find spoilers and things to post here. :) At this point, I just keep looking forward. I'm still anticipating tomorrow's episode. I still keep thinking that we may end up with a happy ending for our Imja couple. And i still think Dimples is the Hotness. So let's release our negativity, and just hope tomorrow's episode offers some resolution to our complaints ... Pretty please, says Puppy Dimples?

    credit: dcinside.

    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    HiPhin said:

    Hi all,

    I need your help. There's someone in Thailand webboard requested for Faith's cartoons. I don't have time to go through all 608 pages again so I would really appreciate if you can posted some for me. Thank you so much :)

    Oh.. 4 days to go until the next episode! ....... Do you think they will fight with Yuan? I'm quite worried because the editing seems a bit sloppy in ep 18.. I wonder  will they be able to handle a grandeur scale??

    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    wisteria7 said:

    Good morning or good afternoon everyone:

    i had such a great time on this forum with everyone and discussing Faith. I'm going to be on the Faith set till the wrap,and happy to be so.I knew what was coming up to a certain degree each time and couldn't share. Maybe you'll see me in a BTS every now and then. :)
    Great fun.Enjoy! Gonna go to Goryeo to be with BF and friends.
    Love you all.

    ^:)^

    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    timpa said: ES's diary really peaked the sci-fi nerd interest in me. I think since the numbers are in groupings of 4 it's likely that they are 'years' and not coordinates and that's how her stuff ends up in the distance past. I'm not sure if she was Hwata or someone else who she taught becomes Hwata... but I wonder if the 'wormhole' or whatever she uses is not actually a fixed thing. The point in the past is random once it closes and opens up again. The fact that ES saved the life of Yi Seong Gye who will grow up to overthrow the Goryeo line and establish the Joseon Dynasty may work in her favor.

    ES may be trying to find a way to save Choe Yeong form his ultimate fate (executed by Yi Seong Gye) without also changing history. The fact that you have dates and letters (A,B) in her journal may indicate she changed something and the "B" is an alternate timeline so she realized she couldn't change things. If she finds a time portal that connects to the time of CY's execution she could use her influence from saving Yi Seong Gye's life to get him to let CY go to the future with her. Lee Min Ho would need some 'old' make-up though sine CY dies when he's 51 or 52... but considering he has 'super powers' and it affects how his body works they could come up with it slowing down his aging process kind of Wolverine style.

    [Drama 2012] Faith 신의

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    theseasasleep said: Is this the same writer who did "Story of a Man?"  If so, prepare for the good guys constantly losing until the very end.  Of course, (going on the assumption that this is the same writer) there is no guarantee the writer will follow the same pattern, but I am leery.  I remember cutting out of the show and sticking with recaps through the middle because I just couldn't stand to see the unremitting losses the good guys suffered episode in, episode out.  Sigh. 

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