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28 minutes ago, dramaalpaca said:
@Emma Gudiy Caresia you are entitled to your opinions and free to express your discomfort. However there's very little need to insist that your point of view is correct.
Most of the commenters here have been faithfully watching and analyzing and contributing to the forum from the start. & I think most of us are also very wary when people take a dump on JSM/ OYS because there have been SO MANY who have done so flagrantly in other blogs, etc.
I don't think you are, but it would be good to read through @stroppyse's latest post & think about it. Your point is only vaguely plausible if you remove the scene and take it completely out of context from the rest of the drama.
And I would also hazard to say that even if you just looked at the scene itself, how it was played out was that SOG was restraining himself and the final "I love you" from JSM was actually the FINAL consent needed. I don't think most people sign contracts to indicate 100% mutual consent as foreplay- and the scene was actually one of precious few in kdramaland where I felt that both characters were actually seeking consent from each other and once that was cleared, throwing themselves into the emotions that they had been holding back for a long time already.
To take a step further (hypothetically)- I think if JSM had seen the GGG glow or turn black when she kissed him, she would have run away. Throughout the whole show, SOG has been the proactive one initiating the physicality in their relationship- the stillness that he portrays in that scene is him trying to ascertain whether SHE is really ok with taking things further, since he knows that she had been holding back all this while. He doesn't want to hurt her (hence the choice of keeping the GGG on to keep her in the dark longer, in case he gets killed by the dragon) but he's also been longing so so much to be with her.
I hope that helps give some clarity to the various perspectives articulated here. I really thought the scene was really sensitively portrayed and well done so your view of it propogating rape culture seems quite overwrought and not something I agree with.
Users here are free to not agree with my opinion. I actually can't tell who is right or wrong, because there isn't absolute black or white in ethics, just telling how I saw it and that it disappointed me. By commenting further I was just trying to explain better my concerns since many users seem to missed my point and I also ignore those who simple attack me or make assumptions because my intention is not to flood or troll here. Knowing the personality of JSM, I think too that she would have run away if she saw it glowing. But still, as far as she knows about the work of GGG device, it makes people who wear them think they love it's owner, without showing signs like glowing.
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1 hour ago, carolinedl said:
I actually see what you mean here and I would agree if you were to take the scene out of context and especially, if you were to disconnect it from the 18 episodes of the show and that we, the viewers, have seen before. SM has been going through harships because of this; because she loves him but she also feels her love is a burden because of the GGG, because she believes her feelings will still be present after the bracelet is taken off and not his. She wondered the same thing when he has asked her to marry her and the same argument could be made to that particular scene as well, no? She also tried to convince herself that if she loved him enough, it would be ok to do this, right? I think that, connected to her ever-present doubts and to her previous questionnings, the immorality you speak of is questionable. Perhaps she was being selfish? I think she was but isn't that a part of love too, this desire to be fully loved by the other, to be the only one? And that aspect is even more complicated here because OG also shows signs of love, he has asked her to marry him, he has tried to sleep with her before, etc. See what I mean?
As for the marriage I don't think that "the same argument could be made to that particular scene as well," because her decision on that was influenced by the fact she thought they were destined to be together because of the "love bell" (at the time she didn't know it wasn't a love one). And yes, being selfish is also part of love, I agree. I see that you mean, it was really hard for her to resist him, but I still think she should have until he still had GGG on.
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48 minutes ago, WildDivine69 said:
I'm not trolling, nor hating the character (I actually like her in general, especially her altruism), I'm not even judging this drama as a whole, just speaking of my concerns about the morality of her decision to not make sure he truly is ok with it (by taking of the bracelet or asking Frost to help her again), before being intimate with him. I understand if people are ok with the scene since it's been shown to the audience that he can take off the bracelet, but it still bothers my moral principles since still it wasn't shown to her. So her decision was sure irrational and passionate and for me also immoral.
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For what SHE KNOWS the bracelet makes him love her and he had it on, so it doesn't matter if he really wanted to do it, she couldn't know. My problem isn't with the scene by itself because, WE know it was consensual, but with her decision because SHE COULDN'T BE 100% SURE.
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5 minutes ago, butterflyeffect said:
Except your point about OG “not wanting to be kissed” is moot because the bracelet no longer controlled him at that point? (Even if he did put it back on)
Have you been paying attention to the drama? The bracelet didn’t control his brain, and he wasn’t some mind controlled robot at any point of the story.
If you are bringing up SM kissing him, why aren’t you saying anything about OG’s jealousy kiss then? It’s pretty much the same thing by your standards. ... but anyway I won’t reply to this anymore.
The bracelet no longer controlled him BUT SHE DIDN'T KNOW IT! The bracelet does control the brain - making you love the owner and making you do anything they tell you to do even if you don't want to. I find this immoral by itself, but SJ first was using it to save her life and to help others. But now she wanted to use it basically to make up with a hot guy she likes (and doesn't know or at this point even care if he really wants her back, she simply kisses him regardless.). His gesture of kissing her for jealousy was harsh, but he didn't have control over his brain or emotions and she loved him for real and not because of magic, so it's a different situation.
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28 minutes ago, butterflyeffect said:
First of all, we don’t know for sure what happened on the bed aside from the kissing. Second, OG is the one who said “he won’t stop” so idk where you are coming from with this “forced intimacy”? Lastly, if OG didn’t want it, he is powerful enough to stop her so ... imo you’re just finding excuses to hate on the female protagonist. lol
It was still a kissing scene in bed rated 18+ and kissing someone who doesn't wants to is counted as sexual harassment. Since he had the bracelet on him, it doesn't matter what he said he wanted or how powerful he is, because the bracelet's magic can control his brain and feelings. She didn't know whether he loved her FOR REAL or felt like she loves her because of magic and still kissed him. It can be a magical bracelet, new drugs or mind controlling microchip - still counts as mind control and is one of the modern ethic dilemmas.
24 minutes ago, RobinM said:If you think this drama is enforcing Rape culture you haven’t seen very many dramas...
I'm pretty sure I saw enough TV series in general. I've been watching asian dramas and movies for years and this is one of those that for me haven't shown a good message with that last bed scene.
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As a kind,compassionate and rightful human being Sunmi first worried about controlling someone's mind with the power of the bracelet. Still when she fell in love with SO , even if she thought his love was fake, that he didn't really and consciously love her, she not only kissed him, but had sex with him in the last ep.
Don't know how you felt about it (maybe you were blinded by their hotness), but I felt pretty much disgusted. We don't need TV series with rape culture messages in it. Forcing someone to intimacy is wrong (even if he did love her, she didn't know that so it's not an excuse for her).
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I'm not bothered by the whole show, but quite the opposite. So far it touched different important topics, like you mentioned yourself (+ the topic of eating disorders) , so that choice was incoherent with the high morals of her character and of the show so far (which I saw entirely). That's the reason I used the term "disappointment". I really think too that he was interested in her before, but she only thought he wanted to eat her (and said that herself when she said she was actually happy someone so handsome wanted to eat her). As for the demons eating human souls to "power up", is a bit like us humans eating animals. Demons don't see humans as equals at the beginning, but the drama showed that they can actually care by showing the friendship between demons, gods, zombies and humans. I actually liked that a lot. It was like showing that no matter how different people can be, we still share the same feelings and can get along.