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Dear chingus!
I'm so excited today. My friends was shared a video of cast's Moon Lovers party. Some people said that Joon Gi did not join this party but if you check video again and again. The man who seat the chair in right side from screen. He wore white nike shoes, Black TShirt, jeans and a black cap. In 0:40 he said: " IU hwaiting". His voice was very sexy and I sure he is Joon Gi oppa
In video, the cameraman was dim images, which focus the man (I was said that he is Joon Gi oppa). Why did he/she that? I think all of casts and staffs knew about something and they try to protect someone
Notice me if I wrong but i think our couple really in love.
You can check the video in here
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On 11/22/2016 at 1:06 PM, violet90 said:
i reading a few of the greatest love story from China that being pass for a thousand of year and now i get why Tong Hua love story is always a tragic one... the pain of their love is something that will pass for a generation... a star crossed lover that fall in love even if they can't be together in this world.. the fate just being as cruel as they get to separate the lovers.. just like our drama... they are bound as a star cross lover but still falling in love and when Su is gone So devote himself to their memory and their love... the devotion toward their love is the one that make this love story is being remember.....
even if the story is't perfect but their love story for me is perfect in so many way......
I miss them so much. I am waiting good news about our couple.
I just in sign my ID now. There have some trouble with my account all week.
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3 hours ago, Erin45 said:
Wow..thank you chingu..you have supported my conclusion. I really thought that I am just in delulu land. I have to make a claim that first and foremost, I am Jieun's fan so my first loyalty is always for her and her happiness. I only discovered about JG through this series and because of their chemistry. I am just lukewarm on all of Jieun's co-star before and I do confessed that I lurk in other ship where Jieun is featured and read/write fanfiction with her and other stars but I just do it for intertainment purposes. That is why when I stumbled upon this ship, I don't want to write anything because I thought this will bring more harm to Jieun than good esp. with her reputation going to be scrutinized by her anti's. But I did write because I can't control myself anymore and have to let my observations in the open. But I only did write when I knew deep inside that Jieun is really single at the moment thus what I think she really feel/might feel about JG is not wrong. In order to satisfy my conclusion, I did some investigation myself and yes, I did stumbled upon the break up rumours not in a korean site because I don't knew korean but on a chinese rumour mill being translated to english and there were two translation which state that she is single since June. But as you said, they are just all rumors and in a site which is not reliable although there are some rumors there that indeed came true or published. Thus you stating this news kind of validated my conclusion that she is indeed single and jist waiting for the right moment to break out this news.
Anyways, since I am now crazy and is really in delulu mind, I did some research again and I found myself stalking Voldy's IG, checking his previous post for any signs. I never had any expectation that I will find anything but I did find something. I will just share it with you here and you can drew your own conclusions on it because it could be that we are just in delulu land so everything for us has meaning yet it could be that there's no meaning on his post. Here it is:
This is a video he posted last July 4 and this is a Nirvana song titled 'Aneurysm'. From source wikipedia:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneurysm_(song)
So there you have it. I don't know if this is credible and has a meaning but it could be that he just like the song.
I would say this is my last contribution here as I wouldn't want to be in delulu anymore and I will go back to my real world. I will just wait patiently around the corner but of course I will lurk in here from time to time as I will miss you stargazers. Maybe I will post again if I did find something.
I will miss you so much.
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Congratutation! The thread reach 2000 pages. I am very glad to see it
Hope we will stay here together for long time.
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There was not air ep 21 of Moon lovers
I was waiting from morning. But i feel good because IU posted IG with pic about Moon Lovers. I believe the hand is So's hand
I still in here about you àn Moon Lovers. Love ML and all of you
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I will ship this couple. hope them be together in real. I was breakheart after last ep last night
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I just watched ep 19 with sub. I feel so sad. Preview ep 20 made me heartbreak
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Hi chingus! My mood is very empty after ep 19. I don't understand a lot of things. I think Writer of Moon Lovers love Wang So (perhaps she like LJG so much) so she don't want So-Soo coupe have happy ending. I won't watch stream last ep in tomorrow. I will watch it with sub. Poor So! You should forget HS and have life happy together with YH.
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2 hours ago, zi4r said:Spoiler
Here comes another character analysis. And yes, it's lonnnnnnng. Sorry.
Many of my posts have been WS/GJ/LJG-centric, and yet I've never really done a true character study of WangSo-turned-Gwangjong. Yes, I've talked about his flaws here and there (while exploring other characters, especially HS), but never really dwelt on them. Why? Because as a shameless WS-apologist&sympathizer, I cannot bring myself to ponder on his many flaws. (Maybe I see my own husband in him. Or I see myself in him.) In any case, whenever I try to truly explore the full depth of his character, it felt too close to home and I basically chickened out.
While trying to ignore how F-uped an individual he really is, I cannot truly explore the strengths in his character either. Because each and every strength of his character is a double-edged sword; his strengths & flaws are so fully intertwined. And as a man who truly lives his life (rather than contenting himself with merely existing)... a man who seems to give it all to everything he does, he has the tendency to take both his strengths and flaws to the extremes. As such, one cannot explore his virtues without his faults, his courage without his ruthlessness, his role as a protector without his sense of misogyny.
I've finally gathered my wits enough to write this post. It's going to be a much weaker piece, compared to my other critical posts, because my heart is not fully in it.
And warning to my fellow WangSo-apologists out there: It's going to be a rough ride, so please proceed with caution.
The dilemma of Wang So
a.k.a How the deliciousness of a Knight-in-Shining-Armour character has become a bitter pill to swallow
Wang So.
Arguably, the only fully developed character in the whole MLSHR universe. A character that is meant to ensnare our hearts. The one weapon that the drama truly utilizes for audience retention.
Rooting for WS is a no-brainer even from the start. It didn't truly matter that WW was causing second-lead-syndrome back then; it didn't even matter that WS had very little screen-time. WS speaks to us every single episode... not just with his own words & screen time, but through his silent presence or through the words of other characters. (Please forgive my sexist generalizations here, but I think it's fairly accurate to say...) His courage & physical strength & sense of honour speak to the male audiences; his role as a protector & his love for HS (& of course, the hotness of LJG) speak to the female audience.
He directly engages our hearts and wins us over... so much so that many of have decided to turn off our brains whenever we are immersing ourselves in him. He makes us feel, and thinking interferes with those feelings... so we decided not to think. We decided not to heed the warnings our brains have been trying to give.
Because if only we had let ourselves listen to the little whispers in our brain since from the beginning of the drama, we wouldn't be taken so off-guard by WS's transformation to GJ. To call it a "transformation" is a misnomer, really. Because this darkness in full-display in GJ? It has always been there in WS, just lurking behind the image of the perfect leading man of our dreams.
Protector of the weak
vs. Misogynistic way of dealing with HS
The theme of the drama is basically: HS in trouble, WS to the rescue, rinse, repeat. As repetitive as it might sound, it never seems to get old. Because every time he saves her, we get to feel not just his physical pain, but his dilemmas, his inner struggle with morality, his fragility, his raw emotions... This drama is good at tugging our heartstrings through WS's sufferings (& LJG's performance), and it is unabashed at using that same old trick to rope us in.
I have already written a sappy piece about all that WS has gone through to protect HS: injuries, exile, debasement...
But his protective streak goes beyond HS. His murder of the monks to cover up his mother's treachery, him standing up to BA when he was being looked down by other princes, his need to defend YH against Yo's overt advances, all the times he has protected Mu, his marriage to the kid-princess, his attempt to protect and later his mercy-killing of Eun...
Even his protection of HS is not just done out of love. Back when he stopped YH from caning HS and when he was helping HS run away from the forced marriage, they shared a lukewarm friendship at best. But that didn't stop him from stepping in.
WS's need to protect and defend anyone he considers weak and defenseless is undeniable. And of course, this offer of protection speaks to the primal part of us that wants to feel safe in the arms of the one we love. Here is the man of our dreams & fairytales, the Knight-in-shining-armour that wields his sword to defend us against all evil... and how can we (and HS) not fall for that?
But this offer of protection is a double-edged sword, especially when it comes to his love for HS. There is a sense that he is always the protector, the minder, the one in control... and she, the helpless one who relies on him. In many ways, he treats her the way we would treat a child --- "Do as I say; it's for your own protection."
When WS was being criticized by the drama viewers for the forced-kiss in Ep9, for the beach scene in Ep10, and then for his repeated phrase of "You are mine" throughout the series, I wrote a defensive piece where I talked about how men of high station of the past views the world & their women (inside spoiler tag):
I still stand by that argument. I don't blame WS for just being the man of that era. But we cannot ignore what this sense of misogyny has done to his relationship with HS.
There is no question that he treasures HS. Yet this is not a relationship of equals. As he extends his protection to her, he is compromising on the respect he should have for her as a person. In the name of "protection", he has constantly opted to keep her in the dark about his problems, his plans & his ambitions... although all of those (directly or indirectly) affect HS as well. In his defense, she hasn't been the most logical of beings. (Especially, as a woman from the future being constantly bothered by visions, which WS is not aware of, she might seem frankly nuts to him at times!) But as we watch their relationship unravel due to lack of communication, the fault squarely lies on WS.
The lack of communication on HS part has two very valid excuses. One, without sounding like a nutjob, she can't possibly tell him about where she comes from (without Ji-mong's cooperation, and he seems adamant on not cooperating in this regard) or her visions. Two, later on, her lack of communication is a response to his constant urge to distant himself from her. She doesn't know what he is feeling or what he is planning...... How is she to really open up to him?
But for WS, the lack of communication is a deep-seated character-trait in him. Throughout Mu's reign, WS was obviously shouldering a lot of responsibilities. In my previous post, I have criticized HS for not playing a bigger role during that time (inside spoiler tag):
But the blame lies on WS for that too. It seems that in his effort to "heal" her and protect her from the evils of living in the palace, he has not shared any burden of his life or his work with her. I know all the viewers love the star-gazing scene, but there is a reason why I've never done gifs or waxed poetic about that scene. Because as much as my heart & my hormones call for that scene to enthrall me, my brain is so pissed at how their relationship is being portrayed --- the man going off to do his all-important work & then coming home to woo his woman with nonsensical & trivial stuff.
I told myself not to dwell on it, because this might not be the true indication of their relationship dynamics throughout the whole time-skip of 2 years. After all, we didn't get to see any of their interactions during that time. And this is her birthday, so of course, he's supposed to be all lovey-dovey.
But then the boat scene came. What my heart calls it poetically as "a stolen moment of peace for WS"... and my brain calls it "one of the most cowardly & d**kish moments by WS". Rather than opting to have an adult discussion with HS about his impending marriage to a kid, he chose to be selfish (or "protect" her, maybe?) and have another lovey-dovey inconsequential moment with her.
Then the pattern continues. The shadow-puppet & bed scene. I know you all love it, so you are going to hate me for this..... but I'm pissed at him for choosing to ignore the many elephants in the room a.k.a Trust issues, Throne issues, Eun issue..... and treat her like a total airhead & yet again, choose to have a lets-play-happy-couple moment.
Well, maybe he was thinking of confronting the issues later, after he has fully recovered from the arrow wound (even if Ji-mong didn't force the issue). But think about it: HS bared her soul, told him about her pain, declared her trust on him..... His response? Kiss her. Yes, it's romantic, but a very romantic deflection from the issues! Because he wants her to continue assuming, just for a little while more, that her protection is the only reason he has gone away (even though he did it as a strategy to angle for the throne as well). Yes, Wang So tries his very best to not outright lie to HS... but his lies-by-omission are hard to forgive by this point.
Then of course, the endless major f-ups of Ep18: The silent dinner after his confrontation with WW & her confrontation with YH. Then, the outing -- again, acting like a happy couple while riddled with unspoken issues and each keeping secrets from one another. And after that, the biggest and ugliest move WS has ever made: His choice not to prepare HS for CR's punishment & death.
The torrent of communication breakdown was inevitable, swift & merciless. And all of it circles back to WS not treating HS like an adult, like someone with a logical thinking head, like an equal. The role of the protector and the provider in this relationship has overruled his need to respect her opinions & wishes. And for that, this relationship is doomed even before it can truly blossom.
A man consumed by love
vs. Possessiveness that seeks to preserve what he deems as his
What is MLSHR? Not a time-travel story or a political intrigue. So do we call it a romance? Given how the majority of the OTP shippers are disappointed in this drama, it seems it has failed to live up to the expectations of a love story between WS & HS. Because the main story-arc focuses on WS..... and the "love" part is mainly in the sense of WS's all-consuming love for HS. Many of us stick to this drama because we cannot get enough of the many ways he has expressed his (admittedly very flawed) love for HS.
I have talked about how the need to protect HS manifested itself into the core part of their relationship. But I cannot ignore the possessiveness he has displayed, especially when he first decided he loved her and must have her.
I know that amidst the pile of complications/problems in the OTP relationship, many of us have forgotten the force-kiss, the problematic statements of "You're mine", and especially, the beach scene of Ep10. I don't want to debate on the severity of the crime of force-kissing in a K-Drama (We've been down this road so many times). And I've touched on "You're mine" in the previous section. So let's talk about the beach scene here. Remember when he said he would kill HS's lover? Many fans felt it was an empty threat/joke; they tried to argue that he didn't mean it (although I don't bloody know where they got that conclusion from). But for me, he meant every word. He was in "possession" stage of this romance... and the alpha in him would make sure no one would take what he deems as his.
WS has precious little he treasures in his life. And the one thing he is most starved of is affection. So when HS offered him affection & understanding as a friend, he could not help but fall for her. She was one ray of light in his dark life, and he sought to have her. It was understandable & heartbreaking. And to his credit, by the end of Ep12, his love has reached the mature stage of "acceptance" and "letting go"; he would see her happy, with or without him by her side (thus his offer of marriage then divorce afterwards, just to give her freedom).
But that dark possessiveness in him that we saw a glimpse of during the beach scene has fully manifested now that he has become GJ. During Yo's reign, Yo has robbed WS of too many things he treasures --- his honour, Eun, his love-life with HS... and he was powerless to stop it. Now that he has regained control of his life & the life of others around him, he would seek to get back everything he deemed as his, and whoever stands (or stood before) in his way will suffer the consequences.
Consequences for WW is coming in next episode (I hope). But for now, I want to talk about his treatment of Queen Yoo & Jung.
Many viewers feel that even if his treatment of Yoo was justified, how Jung (an innocent party in this) was affected by GJ's decision to bar him from attending his mother's deathbed is unacceptable & out-of-character for GJ. Do I find that cruel? Yes. But out-of-character? Not at all.
His love for Yoo used to be almost all-consuming as the love he has for HS now. He committed murder & treason in the name of love for this mother. But all his life, he has seen Yoo pile affection on Yo and Jung, while rejecting him every step of the way. She was supposed to be his person. But in a sense Yo & Jung took her away from him. Logical or not, it doesn't matter. WS's pain when it comes to his mother's relationship with her other two sons is all too real & raw to him... and it has been festering in him all his life. During the star-gazing scene, he told HS about how he wanted Jung to just "disappear". It shows that his mommy-issues extend beyond his dealings with his mother; consciously or not, he has always harboured resentment towards Yo & Jung.
I am not saying that he made a logical decision to punish Jung. But Jung's suffering in that moment was immaterial to GJ.
And it's not a character flipflop. It just depicts how possessive love & dark resentment can manifest into something truly ugly. Actually, in that moment, he is not even being the logical & cunning GJ; he is just being WS... the son & brother of those who should have loved him and yet shunned him... and he just allowed himself to be ruled by emotions and consumed by hatred & revenge.
A persevering soul who is not cowed by circumstances
vs. Ruthlessness in pursuit of his goals
If the protection WS offers speaks to our need for sense of security, his never-say-die attitude speaks to the underdog in all of us. Even the strongest among us have met a fair share of failures, and that naturally results in our need to root for the underdog. This is a man who shouldn't have survived his childhood. Yet survive and thrive, he did. His years as a hostage has made him stronger. His scars are testament to his core of strength.
WS has been beaten down so many times. He cannot have lived through those dark years without giving himself a goal... a sense of purpose. When he was first introduced to us, he had two goals in mind... and those goals must've been ever-present in him throughout his time as a hostage. One, to return to the palace. Two, more importantly, to win back respect & affection from his parents. He had bided his time so he could one day achieve those goals. And when Mu presented him with the opportunity to do so before the Narye, WS pounced for it... with total disregard to his own security or whoever he would have to sacrifice for those goals. (Remember how badly he treated HS when she foiled his plans to catch the traitors?)
After that, the target of his pursuit became HS's love. And his need to have her overrode all other goals & ambitions in his life. It is not that he has given up on other goals... they are just not important to him anymore. I don't need to elaborate on how relentlessly he pursued HS. I have already highlighted the dark side of that pursuit in my description of the beach scene in the previous section. His recklessness in trying to keep HS safe can also be seen as another relentless pursuit of his goal. Goal: Protect HS. And to achieve that, he would give up his life, his title, his future.
Now, he has a new goal: To be a powerful King of Goryeo. Many viewers are reeling from all the steps he has taken to achieve that in just one episode. Many feel that he is transforming too fast. Many feel that it's a character-flip-flop: A kindhearted person becoming suddenly ruthless. But actually, he is just being who he has always been: A man who would strive to achieve his goals with reckless abandon. The ruthlessness is actually just efficiency; the lack of mercy is just due to his focus on the ultimate goal.
The moment he made the decision to become King, after Eun's death, his path was already set. His 3 years away from HS? His decision to lead a coup? His marriage & later "transaction" with YH? The punishment & death of CR? Later, whatever he would do to WW? To him, it's just another chess-move to achieve the end-game.
Earlier, we loved it when that goal-oriented streak in him manifested into the strong-willed underdog who fought for his rightful place in the world. It's just that, now that he has become stronger than ever, we have begun to fear what he is truly capable of.
Phoenix that rises from the ashes
vs. Unrelenting pursuit of greater heights
This part goes hand-in-hand with the previous section. But it directly deals with his need to be a true King.
I have seen countless people puzzled by WS/GJ's seemingly sudden need to be a powerful King. The complaint: He didn't really want the throne, he took it to buy his own freedom & protect HS, so why is he doing everything to reinforce his power as a King? The problem basically lies in our assumption that he didn't really want the throne.
His musings about the throne has gone through much back-&-forth even though the show didn't highlight it much. Before he became focused on HS... Before the makeup scene, after the first failed rain ceremony, before the successful rain ceremony... Remember his conversation with JM? Remember the look on his face when JM told him he may become King? After that, he decided to go to the ceremony even before HS covered his scar.
As I have said before, at the start of the show, WS's main ambition is to get to stay in the palace & regain his parents' affection. By Ep4, he has realized his mother is nuts and getting her affection is a lost cause. And by end of same episode, he has succeeded in regaining his place in the palace. So he is only left with the goal of pleasing his father... which means being a worthy prince in his father's eyes. Despite the bleak circumstances, WS has managed to rise to that level..... and a person who possesses such core of strength & zeal will not stop trying to reach greater heights. He won't be content with just having a place in the palace and being Mu's loyal pup. Therefore, being a capable prince & becoming a worthy King some day (after Mu, of course) must have crossed his mind.
Then comes the successful rain ceremony. He is suddenly the beloved prince of the people of Goryeo... the one that moved the Heavens to save the nation. Remember the dazed look of joy when he was being carried back to the palace? Given how starved he was of affection & adoration, the amount of adulation he received after the ceremony must have been really heady. And... at the same time, he has secured his father's affection & attention. So now what? Yes, by then, he has his eyes on HS, but the dilemma of "Throne vs. HS" was not highlighted to him at that time, so he was not against getting the throne yet, at that moment in time. Logically, one can assume that he would want the throne just as any other prince, because other than the throne & HS, what does he have to live for now?
Then Ep11 comes, manure hits the fan, and his father's utter disregard to HS is what finally turned him away from the throne in that episode. HS became the only meaning of his life; when he said to her that he didn't want the throne, he meant it. But what did that do to him? Both Mu's and Yo's reign has shown him that being close to the throne yet not having it only endangers him and the people he loves. And after Eun's death, he made the decision to discard HS's love, in exchange for her safety & his own freedom (and thus, the throne).
So just to summarize his character trajectory: This is a man who has always sought to bring himself out of the darkest times and towards greater heights. There was no evidence to suggest that he didn't want the throne before Ep11, and logic dictates that he must have some desire for it. His decision to turn his back on the throne, in the name of his love for HS, backfires. So now, he has decided to get the throne. That's a proper character trajectory; there's nothing out-of-character about it.
A man of honour
vs. Honour taking precedent over everything (even rivaling his love for HS)
This continues from the previous section. One would ask: If he got the throne just for the sake of HS (and his own freedom), why try so hard to ensure his power? Well, firstly, WS doesn't do anything by halves. Whatever situation he is in, he lives in the present and he gives it all. But more importantly, he's an honourable man who doesn't take his position as the ruler of a nation, lightly.
Remember Taejo sending WS away as an ambassador? He knew that it was an exile in disguise, a punishment for his disregard to the royal order in Ep11. But he went willingly enough, and from the report he gave afterwards, did a good job.
Then during Mu's reign, I am sure he could have bought his freedom & HS's. Before descent into madness, Mu viewed both of them very favourably, and actually owed them his life & his throne. But WS stayed, probably very aware of Mu's weakened & dangerous position. And when Mu was falling apart as a King, any other person in WS's position would have considered securing the power to himself, even if it is just to get the palace out of disarray. Yet, as an honour-bound man, he served his King faithfully.
Even during Yo's reign, WS did his best to serve honourably. Yes, he was being threatened with HS & BA & JM, but the thought of a coup didn't cross his mind until Eun died.
Now, as a King, he is honour-bound to serve his country, and provide stability to this fairly new nation. Whatever the reason behind his ascent to the throne, I cannot see him taking his responsibilities lightly. Even when he was putting his foot down and being adamant about marrying HS, I am sure he was already searching for other avenues to affirm his power. Now that HS has given him an out and he had to sacrifice her for the security of the throne, he would be even more invested in reaffirm his power & authority.
An avenging angel
vs. Merciless in his dealings with betrayal
Many of us has called for justice for the crimes of Queen Yoo, YH and WW. The innocents, especially HS, have suffered so much in this drama, that we all are out for blood.
But it seems, we want such justice done only to certain people, and only in certain ways. For HS's sake, we wanted CR spared..... If not that, we at least hoped not to get to see the bloody reality of CR's punishment. Yet, we got exactly that --- the burrito (Who on earth came up with that term, by the way? Urgh..... Can't look at a burrito again anytime soon).
Many of us cannot wrap our heads around WS's cruelty. I myself am still reeling from what GJ has done. But let's take a step back and look at this.
The mercury poisoning incident has to be dealt with swiftly. If anyone knows of it and becomes aware that GJ has spared someone who plots against a King, it will raise questions about the legitimacy of monarchy as a whole, and thus, his own authority over his people. So, to deal with it... what should GJ do? CR's crime (whether HS knows of it or not) also implicates HS, because she is the figure of authority over CR. In order to deflect the attention from HS's "involvement" & to ensure no one dared question his authority over the issue, GJ has made the punishment a bloody spectacle.
Another point of note is CR's position. Though WS/GJ seems like a nice guy, as a highborn, he must be used to seeing slaves as expendable. I doubt he would have been needlessly cruel to a slave, but I doubt he would lose much sleep over the death of a mere slave. The consideration he would have given about CR would only be in connection with HS, not for CR herself. And even with HS in the equation, he has made the decision that eliminating CR is still the best option.
And I also feel that GJ's rage against CR is understandable, even if not really forgivable. I suspect that the severity behind his punishment had much to do with the fact that CR betrayed HS, and that she was kinda responsible for GJ not being able to marry HS. He is not merely out for justice. This is a man out for revenge..... revenge against those who wronged him and the person he loves.
So we were hoping that his sense of justice and revenge will manifest into him becoming an avenging angel. But as they say, be careful what you wish for. Because it seems, what we're gonna get is a merciless bloodbath... and not directed at people we are hoping for.
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For all the complaints the viewers have about WS's swift change in character, all he has truly changed is just his demeanor; his core of character remains unchanged. His days as WS has already defined the trajectory of becoming GJ.
So if we are heartbroken now, it seems we have no one to blame but ourselves for this. The beauty of his character -- both inside and out -- is so great that it has blinded us when it comes to its darkness. And for that, we now suffer the pain of losing our beloved Wang So and getting the hardened Gwangjong... even though WS & GJ has ever been one and the same, and it is our own blinkered eyes and easily-swayed hearts that have been fooling us all along.
Yet I have no regrets. Maybe I am a masochist, but I love that Wang So & MLSHR have given me a chance to be a fool in love. It spoke to the innocence that I thought I've lost a long time ago, and while I am now hurt and disappointed, I am happy to have gone through this journey. Even as I prepare for the inevitable doom of Goryeo's HS&WS (maybe, there is a new beginning in modern day Korea, but their love in Goryeo is definitely taking the final breath) in Ep 19&20, my love for this drama remains undiminished and if possible, even more all-consuming.
So come what may, I eagerly look forward to the finale and whatever heartbreak it may bring. \^0^/
Thanks your post. This post is very interested. I seem love So more when read done it. <3
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My friend and I, we love ML so much. I meet her last night and we spent lost of time to talk about So - Soo love story. We cried a river after episode 18. My friend said that she had to watched Running Man after she seen ep 18, that make her mood better.
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Just now, Akiddo said:
Ep 19 - 20: Farewell to my eternal love
Ep 17-18 sped up the sequence of events in the original novel and C-BBJX. We have 2 more episodes to bring this epic love story to a close.
In BBJX, the eagle incident happened during Kangxi's reign. That incident ended 8th Prince's lifelong struggle to be the crown prince/emperor. The attention shifted to 14th prince to take over the throne as he became powerful as a grand general and was the favoured sonwith strong family backing from his maternal side. When 4th prince took over the throne by force - the 8th prince gang was up in arms to fight but were helpless against a very prepared 4th Prince who had Longkodo and Nian Gengyao. 14th prince was faraway from the palace in a battle. Ruoxi was also the first to kneel and greet 4th prince as emperor at the death bed of Kangxi. RX's guilt was extremely deep rooted as Kangxi was a father like figure to her and she knew 4th Prince didn't get the throne through an honourable way. But she knew history was at stake and went along with it.
Hence the 8th Prince punishment to kneel in front of a temple over some incident. Ruoxi prayed on her kneels, followed by standing for the whole night in her room to protest against the punishment. He was eventually released from his punishment but this was the beginning of the rift between 4th Prince and Ruoxi, 13th prince warned Ruoxi to let go of all matters related to 8th Prince to keep him safe but she couldn't due to her compassion to all the princes, not just because of her past relationship with 8th. Things just spiralled downwards from there. 8th Prince's story arch was really sad and I for one felt that 4th prince went overboard by getting him to divorce his wife - causing her to commit suicide. The misunderstanding between RX and 4th prince went deeper and deeper to the point where they had to part.
In the ep 19 preview, the sequence of events is jumbled in my opinion. My version for Ep 19-20 is as follows. Parts of Baek Ah and Woo Hee are not included as my concern is only So-Soo. Points 11-25 could be vastly different from the drama. I just need to get these thoughts out of my system.
1. GJ plots to get rid of Wook - with the help of YH and Won.
2. Wook is condemned to death for attempted treason.
3. Soo steps in to beg for Wook's life - possible that Wook's mother asked her for help and tells her the sequence of Wook's progression into the dark side. Given her personality, she risks her life to help Wook one last time - out of guilt, out of her loyalty to her late cousin, out of whatever residual feeling she has left for 8th. She succeeds in getting his life saved but causes a permanent rift in her relationship with So.
4. Wook reflects on the sequence of events and figures out that his sister has betrayed him for GJ. By then, Jung will have gotten wind of Soo's decision to leave with him.
5. So gets the late King's edict to betroth Soo to Jung. He refuses to acknowledge the edict. Jung shows the hairpin as proof of Soo's decision. The sight of his token of love to Soo hurts GJ deeply. Baek Ah realises the significance of Soo's request and is devastated.
6. Wook loses all hope in his life and family. He confronts GJ for a final show down - tells him the truth about the poisoning incident, YH's involvement and why he couldn't save Soo. He pulls everyone into the blackhole with him - if he has to suffer, GJ and YH will have to suffer along. Soo becomes the collateral damage in this confrontation.
7. GJ is devastated by Wook's confession and links her determination to save Wook as a sign of her love for Wook. He confronts Soo and she admits to her past relationship with Wook. GJ tells her that he doesn't want to see her anymore and she has the permission to leave the palace.
8. Soo leaves the palace and Songgak for good. Before she steps out of the gilded cage, she looks back with tears in her eyes and memories of the past flashing before her. Soo knows she will never see the palace again.
9. GJ looks from afar with tears streaming down his face. Memories of happier times flashing before him. WS is inconsolable but GJ soldiers on. He fulfils his promise to YH to give her an heir.
10. Time skip. Soo starts life anew with Jung in exile. A celebration of marriage is prohibited between them but Jung is happy to have Soo by his side and tries his best to make her happy. Soo misses So deeply and continues her writing every day.
11. GJ continues to consolidate his empire. He has spies in Jung's household. Jung is aware of it. GJ gets reports on Soo and Jung regularly.
12. Jung creates an illusion of intimacy between him and Soo for the spies to report back to GJ, mainly to rile GJ. GJ is devastated that Soo has finally moved on from him and orders that reports on Jung's household must not be presented to him from here on.
13. In the mean time, Soo's health continues to deteriorate. She knows her end is near. Asks Jung to help her to deliver a letter to GJ. She hopes to see him one last time.
14. Jung accedes her request. Notices her handwriting is too similar to GJ's. He puts her letter in another envelope with his handwriting on the envelope.
15. Letter reaches GJ. GJ doesn't read it.
16. Soo dolls herself up the best that she can. Deteriorates rapidly.
17. GJ dreams of Soo. His right arm where he was once wounded aches terribly.
18. Soo gives up hope that So will come to her. She asks Jung to cremate her right away after she dies and throw her ashes into the ocean/lake on a windy day. She wants to forget all of them. She asks him to let go of the past and live on fruitfully. Soo doesn't leave any last words for her beloved. She dies in Jung's arms. Soo finally leaves Goryeo behind. We see a solar eclipse transporting Soo back to modern time the moment she passes on.
19. Jimong sees the solar eclipse and sighs for the loss of his kindred spirit Soo. He knows she is gone.
20. Words finally reach GJ and Baek Ah that Soo has passed away. He is shocked beyond words. He scrambles for the unread letter. He finds it and opens it with trembling hands. He sees Soo's handwriting for the first time. Reads the letter while the audience weeps with him. All inconsolable. Ambulance and medics should be on standby at LJG's fan meeting.
21. GJ and Baek Ah arrives at Jung's residence. Fight ensues. Baek Ah stops them, asks them to let Soo leave in peace after being sandwiched between all the brothers for the past 10 years.
22. So enters Soo's room to find her belongings - the hairpin, the arrow, stacks of her writing...So breaks down once again. He knows she left with him etched in her heart. There was no room for anyone else. He was her eternal love, just like she is to him. She is completely his person, always and forever. Need more back up on ambulance and medics - many are suffering from excessive sobbing and heart aches.
23. So takes her ashes back to Songgak. Jimong tries to explain to GJ about Soo/Ha Jin - offends GJ and is banished. So and Baek Ah throws her ashes into the ocean or Dongji lake as per her wishes. GJ mulls on Soo's odd ways and concludes that he will find her one way or the other.
24. GJ lives for another 20+ years, misses Soo everyday. GJ tries to leave clues for the future Soo/Ha Jin. Dies on a solar eclipse in 975.
25. Time skip 1000 years to modern day Seoul. Your guess is as good as mine. Let's hope for a good ending with all the loose ends tied up nicely.
Will we all be alright on Tuesday night? I am going to ask my hubby and kids to stay out of my way from 9pm.
If this theory is true my heart will break. It's so sad. Cry a river
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12 minutes ago, cojulie said:
yh to ws: u told me to focus on being queen, so stick to your deal.
you need an heir.
ws: if i tell you to betray wook and your family will u do it? if you swear allegiance to me. then our son will become crown prince. you will become my empress and then empress dowager....
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I can not believe in that. So sad
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I just got home and waitting for ep 17 of Moon Lovers. Hope someone recap of the drama soon. Thanks so much.
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I will stay at home to live stream ep 17 of Moon Lovers. I have to go to school in Monday and Tuesday nights. I often got home at 9 pm and that time the Moon Lover has ended
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On 3/21/2016 at 7:05 PM, aprodithe said:
Soo handsome
160321 #글로리데이 #류준열 #RyuJunyeol 남성ㅁㅣ 뿜뿜☄ http://twitter.com/19860925_net/status/711883257818669056/photo/1
Why all the cast wear the same length of pants
Everyone! Do not forget vote for our oppa.
http://www.asiaartistawards.com/vote/lists/3
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I miss our couple Wangso and Hae Soo so much. Can't wait to Monday. I was so sad about interview LJG oppa when he said about rating of Moon Lovers. ML is famous over Asia but it seem flop in Korea
I hope Moon Lover's rating will better. Joon Gi oppa, we
you so much. Please smile such as -
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35 minutes ago, riuenu said:
I believe most of us had hate
LionKing Yo, but here is the special report for BTS of Prince Yo,before he turn into Lion KingLet take a look of how good looking Hong JongHyun is
with special appearance of Kang Hanuel
credit to http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=5224615&memberNo=19772794
I don't hate Wang Yo much. He is bad guy but he always show his thinking and his personality. Wang Wook is difference. WW always show his kind, talent and concert for eveyone while he is a evil. He exploited 9, WY and Soo in order to debate So and become the king.
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Just now, minmar said:
DONE!
Me too
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Omo!
I am waiting for Moon Lovers in tonight. I hope ML will air after the baseball end
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5 hours ago, sooji28 said:
Okay, so internasional version won't air 14 episode as well?
Never in my life, hate baseball game so much. (using these words, i want to laugh at myself, LOLOLOLOL).
But this meme, is hilarious. It's really what i'm feeling right now. Well said Wang So oraboni. Well said!
Oh my God! so sad with this news.
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4 hours ago, wackeemarie said:
Hello from So
LJG is truly handsome <3
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Congrats the thread over 1000 pages. I just sign in in this morning and i am very suprise
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[Official] ♥ Lee Joon Gi x IU ♥ || JoonU [2016 SBS Best Couple & Hallyu Star Awards!!]
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