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8 hours ago, jehnnny99 said:

 

This is the post where u explained your reasons for dislike yes? Sorry to be blunt, but this whole post was just you crying and complaining about the 5 or so filler episodes RY had out of 60 for his backstory. You know why XF didn't have a 5 episodes emotional backstory like RY? Because the only trauma he ever experiences is when JM suddenly decides she doesn't want to marry him after she uses her brain and figures out how wrong it would be to marry the man whose mother killed your family. You proved my point in your post as well, at how XF fans are mad that the second male lead is getting screen time ( which is nothing compared to XF in the first 30 episodes ) and he doesn't get any affectionate or lovey-dovey scenes with JM either. The shift in relationship between XF and JM was because of the engagement with RY- that was a plot device planted even BEFORE JM was born. Naturally, RY would then begin to have more screentime and interactions with our main female lead.

 

i have read the novel, a few times actually, and only by watching the drama and seeing how each stage progresses to another, did I understand the imperfections of the novel, which had some unexplainable moments or seemed to skip a few things which created some disconnection.

 

i think we should just agree to disagree, because this is not going to go anywhere. Your opinion is yours and my opinion is mine, we can only share each other's opinion and not force each other to agree. 

 

Well, if you want to be blunt, then here we go:

 

You said: "You crying and complaining about the 5 or so filler episodes RY had out of 60 for his backstory"

Yes, Night deserved his 5 episodes of emotional back story. But was it really just 5 episodes? As you can see from the table I posted, it’s already gone on for more than 10 episodes. It’s not just about his tragic backstory, it’s about his mother schemes to murder Phoenix, about him going to confront her, about her death scene (which took almost 1 episode ), about him mourning her death, about him SLOWLY went down the evil road, about him stalking JM and manipulate her feelings (the fixing Unfeeling Pill scene was such a violation of human rights. I honestly cannot believe there are still people felt sorry for him after his scene), about him drawing the line with Phoenix, about him scheming for the throne, about him starting to attend court matters, about him going around lobbying for his coup, about him manipulating the dream to frame Phoenix, etc. Wow, SO LITTLE backstory and fillers! 

 

OK, let’s just say that he’s the male lead, equal to Phoenix’s role, then it’s fair that the drama spent time on him, that’s what I told myself when I sat through those episodes. Let’s just ignored the fact that, even if Night’s role is equal with Phoenix, the drama still should have done SOMETHING to his character during that time. But they did not do anything to him, after getting back from the mortal trial, the ONLY thing he did was pining over his future sister-in-law! Do you realize how pathetic that made Phoenix sound like? Do you realize how frustrating it was for Phoenix fans?

 

But I waited, I told myself to be patient because, soon, when Night started to work on his coup, Phoenix would FINALLY has something to do! You said that the novel has “some unexplainable moments or seemed to skip a few things which created some disconnection“. Right, so the novel said that Phoenix and Night has THREE YEARS of playing mind game with each other! Do you remember how the drama explaining that plot point? They spent so much time on emphasizing the brothers’ relationship, they should have use this plot point to do some building for Phoenix’s character, like his reaction when he realized what his brother was doing, how he made the difficult choice of going against his brother to protect his father’s throne because it was the right thing to do, how he played the mind game, how he prepared for the D-Day! There so many things they could do to his character, they were perfectly capable of doing that to Night, and certainly they can flesh out the MALE LEAD the same way, right? But did they do that? No, they skimmed through it again, just like when they skimmed through Phoenix’s reaction to the Empress killing Night’s mother news or his reaction to his own mother’s demise. How is this fair?

 

Speaking of “Phoenix’s reaction to the Empress killing Night’s mother news”.

Literally, there was someone in this thread said this:

“A drink and an apology, you just want me to forget everything your mother did? and the reason you gave me that apology is because you want me to call of the wedding? Sorry, my moral code just can't accept something that outrageous.  Good Luck to you girls, it was fun discussing with you about this drama, I just can't continue to root for something like this. See you.”

LOL, Phoenix at this point was turned in to a shameless, immoral a**hole. So much for “character development”.

 

Speaking of the coup, let’s look at how the drama handled D-Day, shall we!

In the novel, “Phoenix stepped into the hall in silvery blue robes which deeply contrasted with the hall that was ablaze with the ceremonial colors of red”. He had already apprehended Immortal Tai Si, came in ready to exposed Night’s schemes.

 

“With a flick of Phoenix's finger, an unstoppably quick flash of light hit the big drum. Before the sound could even land, a whole troop of soldiers swarmed into the palace hall. The troop seeing the person tied up in the middle of the hall, immediately realized that the situation was upside down, and froze helplessly.”

Did this happened in the drama? NO. It’s Night who hit the drum.

 

"Guards! Take down Night!" Phoenix commanded and two of his men stormed into the palace and captured Night. They each took one of his arms and pulled it to his back and pressed it upon his shoulders.”

Did this happened in the drama? NO. It’s Night who ordered “Guards! Take down Fire Immortal!” 

 

You said you have read the novel, then you must have remembered this epic moment where Phoenix came in, took control of the whole situation and how it was over for Night! He knew there was no way he would beat Phoenix, that’s why he deliberately pushed JM into backstabbing Phoenix. She was his last resort, her action literally overturned the whole situation! That’s how important, how effective the backstabbing was! It pushed the angst within the story to the absolute maximum!

 

What happened in the drama instead? At the beginning, it seemed like Phoenix did have control of the wedding hall. BUT THEN, it turned out that Phoenix’s own army had TURNED ON HIM. Probably the same army that has accompanied him to the battlefields for YEARS. THEY TURNED ON HIM FOR A PERSON WHO HAD NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE, WHO DID NOT GO THROUGH LIFE AND DEATH BATTLEFIELD WITH THEM!

 

Not only the troop, but the WHOLE COURT decided to follow Night, WHO HAS JUST STARTED TO ATTEND THE COURT 3 YEARS AGO! It doesn’t matter that the Emperor is a horrible person, ancient China VALUES loyalty between the ruler and his subjects, all of them suddenly turned on the Emperor made no sense!

 

Do you realize how stupid this made Phoenix looked like? He literally looked like an idiot, betrayed by his own troop, caught by surprise and just stood there unable to do anything! The script gave his action and line to Night is not a minor thing. It literally change the whole situation. It went from Phoenix who supposed to have control the whole time, he only lost because he didn’t expect to be backstabbed the woman he loved; to Night who turned out to have the upper hand the whole time! He was going to win no matter what, because he has both the court and the military on his side! Then what is the point of JM’s backstabbing? Night was going to win anyway, he was going to capture Phoenix anyway, he could have killed Phoenix himself anyway, then what is the point of him framing Phoenix and pushing JM to her limit like that? 

 

You said: "He doesn't get any affectionate or lovey-dovey scenes with JM either. The shift in relationship between XF and JM was because of the engagement with RY- that was a plot device planted even BEFORE JM was born. Naturally, RY would then begin to have more screentime and interactions with our main female lead."

Of course, he didn’t, because she didn’t love him. Even with the Unfeeling Pill, she still rejected him. But no worries, we had several scenes where he invaded her personal space and violated her human right. Since Phoenix had SO many lovey-dovey scenes with JM, it’s only fair that Night should have had SOMETHING, right? 

 

Look. I never said that Night should not have more scenes with JM, but the problem was that he has way more scenes than Phoenix, MANY OF WHICH DIDN’T EVEN INVOLVED JM! I’m sorry, but this point of your is invalid.

 

Speaking about the female lead, let’s talk about the lovey-dovey scene, shall we!

The mutual cultivation night. In the book, basically, they slept together because Phoenix was drunk, he couldn’t control his behavior, thought it was a dream and JM was clueless, she only thought they were doing it so she can gain more power.

 

What happened in the drama? They were only a little drunk, still very much in control of themselves, they KNEW what they were doing! Do you know how much flak they got from fans for being a cheating couple? The drama seriously destroyed the lead couple’s morality! FOR WHAT? So they can justify Night’s evil later? I’m sorry but to me, sacrificing the lead’s moral character like that is unacceptable!

 

Wait for Phoenix to be fleshed out later? LOL, guys, we have 13 episodes left. In 13 episodes the drama has to cover:

-          JM reviving Phoenix

-          Phoenix conquering Demon realm (they should spend just as much time as they spent on Night’s early political career, just to be fair, since they’re BOTH main male leads)

-          Phoenix performing as the Demon Lord (since we also saw how Night did in his new position back in ep 46)

-          JM stalking Phoenix

-          JM getting caught and Phoenix burning her in samadhi real flames

-          2^nd mutual cultivation (let’s hope there are no moral code being broken here)

-          JM realizing Night’s true face

-          JM going after Phoenix

-          Heaven and Demon Realm big battle

-          JM dying

-          Phoenix moping (Night will probably has his moping scene as well, because why not? )

-          Phoenix spending 5000 years saving JM

-          Epilogues

-          Not to mention new scenes that the drama has created.

I’m honestly curious to see how they manage to fit “fleshing out” Phoenix and JM and all these events in 13 episodes when they’ve already spent 10+ eps on backstory and filler for Night 

 

Oh did I mention that they have just interfering with JM’s redemption arc and somehow made it all about Night again? And it seemed like they skipped the pill sabotaging plot Fun times, wasn’t it?

 

Again, I’m sorry for going overboard, you can disagree with me all you want but don’t paint me as a crazy petty fan who is nitpicking unnecessarily, because I’m not. I’m allowed to speak up when I think my beloved source material and characters are being disrespected and insulted, alright?

 

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1 hour ago, jehnnny99 said:

You know, earlier on fans were complaining about excessive screen time for RY - it was explained that he is also a main character in the novel as well i.e. had almost as much interactions with JM as XF, and is a key figure for the  progression of the story from the heaven arc to demon arc. Some back story doesn't hurt right? Esp for non-novel readers that would sympathise with him as they don't have the bias  towards XF like novel readers do. Novel readers seem to absolutely DETEST the fact that RY has such a sad backstory - but the thing is that isn't forcing anyone to sympathise with him. People will choose to do so on their own - the backstory is there to make RY a more three-dimensional character rather than a lame 2D villain that just wants revenge because of something that happened in the past ( like how the novel described ).

 

Now, it's about the character changes/'development', primarily for XF. What I don't understand is that, what exactly is the 'character development' you want from him before he revives in the demon realm? The dialogue changes did not impact on any character development because pre-stabbing, the only development he needed was from not loving JM to being totally head over heels for her. The fact that he didn't ' shield'JM from his mother ( which he did, it's just that he chose to protect his mother as well ) or the fact that he's less domineering isn't really considered character development, that's just his current personality / how the drama is portraying him. There are differences, yes, but really it doesn't impact on the progression of the drama at all. It makes it smoother even, as we see a clear transition from righteous God of War to 'evil' Dark lord of the underworld as we move on to the demon realm arc. Now that is character development, because something needs to happen in order to trigger a character to change or 'develop'.

 

i actually prefer the drama XF - he's shown to be loyal to his mother whatever faults she has ( when he shields her from Water God ), which is wrong from an outsider's view but we all know about that kind of blind love towards our own mothers. He's even shown to be on friendly terms with the unfavoured illegitimate older brother, unlike in the novel. There is a kind of gentleness, kindness and innocence that wasn't expressed in the novel, making him the perfect match for JM and making the transition from celestial to demom even more impactful.

 

So really, there are different opinions even within novel readers. Dissatisfaction can be expressed but I think it's going too far to tell non-readers that the show is so bad and discouraging people from viewing it just because it doesn't strictly follow the novel. Thanks for reading another one of my rants 

Thank you for your opinion, it seems to me like you haven't read the novel, so you probably don't understand my criticisms. I would love to explain in details for you how the second set of writers twisted the original material and script in favor of RY. However, I get the impression that my posts bring negative energy to the thread, so I'm not sure if you would want to read my explanation. If you are interested, I will try to post it tomorrow, if not, then we can only agree to disagree.

I don't know if you have read this post of mine, I explained some of my criticisms in it:

 

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9 hours ago, Wotad said:

 

If you love his character so much you have the novel?

 

From what people have said the Novel has 3 main characters and is only shown through JM point of view it makes sense for the show to be fleshed out and you are complaining about one damn character changing and a few lines being switched when everything else has been adapted well?

 

If you dont like what the show is doing stop watching or go read the book more and the show is rated higher then 10 miles at the moment and as much as i like heavy sweetness ash no show will get near 10 miles in terms of impact. 

 

Princess Agents ended up in a worse mess are you kidding me and from like 41 onwards fuyao was hated by loads of people .

 

Fuyao changed literally the whole show it was nothing like the book. 

 

Listen i understand why you are mad but if were talking book to show adaptions its still one of the best. 

 

 

 

 

You obviously didn't understand my post at all. It was not just a few lines and just one character change. I've already stated that the first part of the drama was done well enough, WE DIDN'T MIND A FEW MINOR CHANGES IN HIS PERSONALITY. They can fleshed out Night all they want, but they crossed the line by doing that in expense of Phoenix's character development! They turned him from a brave, decisive, strong and unstoppable God of War in to a weak-willed, indecisive, love-sick puppy with a dash of immorality, all for the sake of boosting a secondary character. If you just watch the drama, without any pre-existing knowledge about Phoenix, would you want to root for him? Especially against an anti-hero, tragic figure who was pushed by the circumstances to become evil like how Night was portrayed in the drama? If you compare the scene where the Empress tries to murder JM and the wedding scene from the book to the drama, you can see that a few minor changes can completely ruin the essence of Phoenix's character, turn him into someone who is impossible to root for! At this point, I wish that they should just ruin it from the start like Fuyao so that I would never get my hopes up, that I never grew attached, so it would hurt less!

 

From the drama perpective, please, can you tell me which "good" drama spent 1/3 of its length  focus SOLELY on a secondary character, WHILE completely ignored and skimmed through the supposed "male lead" development? The drama started out so good, with good writing, directing, acting and great production value (which is rare in a cdrama). But the later part, it turned into a mess with imbalanced character development, serious pacing issues and questionable story-telling. How is a drama, wanting the audience to root for the 2nd lead SO desperately that they intentionally stole the male lead's screen time and lines, destroyed the essence of his character, called "a good adaptation"? Please re-read my post if you have the time, I have pointed out, in specific examples, why I think the drama had screwed up, solely from a drama fan perspective.

 

Again, I would like to say that the first part of the drama was good, I've already fell in love with Deng Lun and Yang Zi's portrayals, so no, I'm not going to stop watching the drama. I'm still going to support them, even if it means that I have to suffer through another 20 eps of my fave character being ruined for the sake of an secondary one. And as an audience, I'm allowed to speak up when I have an opinion and criticise when the drama screws up.

 

I apologize for the negativity I've been spreading, so I would like to stop this discussion here and let us agree to disagree. Thank you!

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1 hour ago, Wotad said:

I think book readers are being way to damn dramatic there are 2 male leads in this drama one had 30 episodes focused around him or did you guys just decide to forget that.

 

Compare this adaption with any other show like Princess Agents,Fuyao its wayyyyyyyyyyy more loyal to the book yet still complaining this hard.

 

I understand why you guys are frustrated but you would rather focus on the negative's than the positives which is nearly everything from the novel is adapted.. 

Yes, we are being dramatic. Because we love Phoenix's character so much, we cannot stand this kind of injustice, alright? The drama not only spent 30 episodes focused around the second male lead, but it also neglected AND sacrificed the male lead's development along with it! As I already explained in my post, they went as far as STEALING Phoenix's actions and lines and giving it to Night! That's not staying faithful to the book! They might stick to the events in the plot, but they twisted the characters to the point of unrecognizable. And we're supposed to thank them for it?

 

Yes, the douban score and ratings are considered better than other dramas, but they could have been better, not getting worse as the drama progresses. HSALF could have been one of the classics like 3L3W, but the author and the production team shoot themselves in the foot and ruin that chance. This affects everyone involving in the drama, it hurts all 3 actors reputation and leaves a bad taste in the audience's mouth. At least Princess Agents and Fuyao didn't end up in a mess like this.

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This is going to be VERY long, I rarely post on Soompi so I don't know if this is appropriate or not. Please bear with me 

 

Why are the book fans angry?

 

1.      It’s not because the drama changed Phoenix’s personality. I think all of us know how good the first 20 episodes were. Book fans couldn’t care less about that, we were satisfied enough with Deng Lun portrayal of the character, some toned down aspect of his personality didn’t really matter. But ever since the latter half of the mortal trial arc, the problems started to arise, it suddenly moved its focus toward the second male lead and secondary couple. They said it was because they wanted to fleshed out RY’s character, showed how he become evil. Fine, we accepted that, because according to the novel, the focus should have shifted back to the main leads when they finish the trial. But guess what happened? Phoenix’s screen time just kept getting less and less after each episode. Even worse, they started to CUT Phoenix’s scenes and lines, AND GIVE IT TO NIGHT!!!  That wedding scene was such an insult to both the original book and its fans. They have crossed the line SO FAR. Please, anyone, can any of you tell me, WHAT could possibly be the reason for doing that??? HOW could you make sense with the fact that the drama purposefully watered down the MALE LEAD’s character for the sake of the SECOND MALE LEAD??? Most book fans are Phoenix’s fan, we’re not just angry, WE’RE FURIOUS!!!

 

2.      As I mentioned before, the first 1/3 of the drama were so good. Do you have any idea how happy us book fans were? We actually thought we’re lucky to have such a good adaptation   What did we get in return? A huge slap in the face! I’m not sure what the production/writing team were trying to pull there. But we, as the fan of the original, felt like we were used. They baited us with a wonderful pack of episodes, made us invested and then turned back and bite us from behind. Ruining our favorite character and trying to manipulate us into feeling sorry for the second male lead. I can’t tell you how to feel, but can you guys honestly blame us for being pissed?

 

Why drama fans are angry?

 

1.      Because many of drama fans, who never read the book, fell for this drama mainly because of Deng Lun and Yang Zi, their amazing acting ability and chemistry. Of course we’re expecting to watch THEIR epic and tragic love story, right? But what did we get? We got to see the SECOND MALE LEAD epic and tragic life journey, the detailed story of how HIS life got destroyed and how HE became evil. We saw how the key events in his life played out, how he reacted to them and his emotional responses afterwards.

What about the male lead that we fell in love with at the beginning of the drama? Oh well, he barely existed at this point, moping somewhere in the background doing absolutely nothing! How the hell did we get to know everything about the second male lead when we knew almost nothing about the male lead other than the fact that he loved a girl???

 

2.      Case in point:

Exhibit A: the mothers’ demises. We saw how Night’s mother died, we saw how he reacted to her dying, we saw him crying afterwards, we even saw him freaking preparing her bleeping SHRINE!!! Do you remember how Phoenix reacted to his mother’s downfall? DO YOU? Because I barely remember it happened at all! The scene where the Empress got busted is much shorter than the scene where Night’s mother died. Phoenix passed out after taking the hit for his mother and that was IT! NO REACTION, NO EMOTIONAL RESPONSE WHATSOEVER!!! We only got to see him talking to her because he was framed, it’s like if it wasn’t for JM accusing him of murder, we wouldn’t be able to see him dealing with the aftermath of his mother’s downfall AT ALL.

 

Exhibit B: episode 46. You guys remember that this is a female lead centric drama, right? Jin Mi, said female lead, has just murdered the man she loved with her own two hands in ep 45. You would expect to see how SHE dealt with this tragic event. There are marvelous scenes in the novel which depicted HER heartbreak, pain and regret (she asked why Phoenix hadn’t come visit her, she frantically searching for her missing heart, etc.). Did that happened in the drama?? NO. Instead we got to see how Night performed as the new Emperor, how concerned he was over Jin Mi, how conflicted he was about Phoenix’ death (which was a load of BS, btw)! We even got to see HIM getting his revenge, how his smug behind went and rubbed the fact that his poor, innocent brother has evaporated to the Empress’s face!! If that’s not a lead character’s complete arc, then I don’t know what is?!

I doubt Phoenix will ever has the chance to rub anything in anyone’s face because we’re all know that he still has plenty of richard simmons waiting for him in the future .

 

Night has not only trumped the male lead, he’s now also sit on the FEMALE LEAD’s head, IN A FEMALE LEAD CENTRIC DRAMA!!! 

 

At this point, I’m seriously questioning the production team’s judgment, did they actually know who the leads in their own drama was??

The drama makes more sense than the book? Are you kidding me??

 

3.      Look, I don’t want to get political here. But let’s look at the problem from the production POV. Deng Lun’s XF was credited as the Male lead/Second billed after Yang Zi; Leo Luo’s Night was credited as Second male lead/Forth billed after Chen Yu Qi. Isn’t it common sense that XF was supposed to have more screen time than Night? LOL, NO! Case in point: let’s look at the table below:

*Notes:

- 1st line: because fans agreed that Night’s screen time got much higher since ep 29, so counting started at ep 29.

- 2nd line: counted by minutes, to be fair, the screen time in which dedicated to Night’s mother, story about his origin (35 minutes in total) but he didn’t actually appear was not counted.

*Credit: FB/ChuyenLuatLe

 

 

As you can see, from ep 29 to ep 41, Phoenix’s screen time was only accounted for 2/3 of Night. Is this how it normally is for the male lead to have significantly less screen time than the second lead? Since when do the male lead’s fans have to fight for his screen time compared to HIS SECOND LEAD??

 

Some of you said that Deng Lun fans themselves wanted to let this go. Do you know why? Because they are a small fan base who don’t have much power to shake things up, they worry that if they do something rashed, it will hurt Deng Lun’s career so they stay silent. However, if this was Yang Yang or Luhan’s fan base, for example, do you honestly think that they would let this fly? That’s why book fans and drama fans alike have to speak up and make this a big deal, because both the lead actors and the audience cannot be disrespected like this.

 

Even the author herself said that she had “lingering feelings” about Night. I don’t know about you, but it was pretty obvious to me that she and her writing team was using Deng Lun and Yang Zi to roped the audience in, made us invested in the drama and then started to shove Night’s character down our throat, purposefully wanted us to love Night more than Phoenix and even Jin Mi. What they didn’t expect was that most fans have already loved Deng Lun’s Phoenix too much to turn on him, leading to the whole thing blow up to this degree. In short, they’re trying to create their own Chil Bong/Jungpal but ended up create a Baek In Ho and a CITT type of mess.

 

But judging on some of the replies in this thread, I guess their plan does works on some level. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

There’s also some shady stuff regarding the shooting schedule; and the drama character of Night is even more horrible in my eyes, so the fact that there are still people who sympathize with him is beyond me, but I’m don’t have the energy to get into those right now. I’m writing this because I hope you can understand Cnet’s frustration.

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LOL at ep 46. What are they trying to do here? Are they trying to make RY more sympathetic or something? Why do I hate him even more? He has the balls to blame it on XF? Is this really how he justify it in his head? That XF deserves to die because people LIKE HIM BETTER??? OMG the whole scene in which he "reminisces" his past with XF makes me want to tear my hair out. How can someone be SO selfish, self-centered, self-pitied and shameless?? How am I suppose to sympathize with this piece of richard simmons again?  

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34 minutes ago, thehumantree said:

I heard that the producer defended Deng Lun!!

 

lol!! Bad news can also be good news cuz people that weren't into the drama will now be curious about it. It'll be good for the ratings!!

 

I don't think people would wanna watch a drama where main leads become cameo for the second male lead sob story. Ratings and douban score have been falling down the cliff for the past few days, people are bashing it all over weibo. It's not the kind of famous you would want for you drama. 

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18 minutes ago, angel318 said:

where did you read about DL abandoning the drama for a reality show? I feel like he really put in a lot of effort into this drama. I think the leads acted really well, maybe bc they're comfortable with each other.

I know that he put a lot of effort into this, that's why I'm mad. I was saying that the production team did DL dirty by blaming it on him.

The drama is all over weibo. Ironically, Heavy Sweetness has never been more famous because of the mess.

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22 minutes ago, Kimchi Sweet Potato said:

 

@gleek49 I feel like the lovesick puppy for this show. I'll take almost anything as long as the OTP is in it.

 

I wonder if they will let Xu Feng keep on of his most memorable lines: Jin Mi, I think there will finally be a day where I will kill you. (transalation cr. Decembi).

Well, they did gave most of his epic lines to RY, so you never know 

 

I'm so pissed, they destroy XF so RY can look better, how can they be so shameless? They even have the balls to blame Deng Lun for the mess (they said he neglected the drama for some other reality show). This is even worse than CITT, because this is the book author's idea, she purposely destroys the male lead because she still has "lingering feelings" towards the second lead  Honestly!

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Seriously, I'm so angry. If they like RY so much then WRITE HIM AS THE LEAD!!!! Why, why do they have to do that to Phoenix. They stick to the events in the novel, but they turn Phoenix into a dumb, weak richard simmons little bird, who incapable of doing anything! In the novel, the moment XF step in to the wedding, it was a done deal! RY could have completely lost if it wasn't for JM literally backstabbing XF! But in the drama cut, they make it look like it doesn't even matter that XF is there, becaus RY has everything in place and is going to win no matter what!?! Then what is the point of JM backstabbing?!

 

Book!XF was so epic in this scene, they somehow manage to give ALL of the glory to RY! When I watch the cut, I didn't cry because of the tragedy in the drama, I cried because of the disaster that is the character Xu Feng, which has completely crumble up to this point! Based on the future scenes in the trailer, I don't think it's going to get better after XF become the Demon Lord. They are going to buff the new Heavenly Emperor some more, as the wise king and the perfect lover and the Demon Lord will become the love sick puppy who has everything handed to him and, again, incapable of doing anything! 

 

Mark my word! (I honestly hope I'm wrong, but it's pretty much hopeless at this point)

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1 minute ago, angel318 said:

Can someone explain to me what RY does with the stars...? My Chinese isn't good enough to understand hehe 

He manipulate the dreams from the Nightmare beast so JM can "see" that it was "Phoenix" who killed the parents.

 

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34 minutes ago, Wotad said:

I pity RY as a character he deserve's everyone's pity you can still dislike his actions but i still dont think hes nonredeemable. 

 

I also love RY's voice.. so sexy but that is something else ;p 

 

Can someone whose read the book tell me if RY has a redemption arc or something ? 

 

No redemption arc whatsoever, that's why the drama spent so much time on his suffering. I guess they want to soften the blow for him when he's being evil later, he's just gonna get worse towards the end. He only decides to stop being horrible after JM dies. He's pretty much nonredeemable in my eyes but I think he gets off quite easy in the end, he's still the Emperor, which is what he wants anyway.

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This drama is going to kill me! I've been bawling my eyes out for the last few days because of RY, XF and JM. And we're only half way through!! How are you guys doing? 

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9 minutes ago, mrsyooknit said:

 

I think a lot of book fans are angry that there is so much focus on secondary characters including RY when the storyline is all about JM and XF. They did add a lot of extra stuff to the drama that was not in the book. From my experience if you want to keep original fans happy you should never give a lot of screen time to the supporting characters. They are just watching for the main couple and will complaint a lot if they feel cheated out of what they wanted. This happens like every time. 

 

I do feel bad for Night but I still don't think he is justified on hurting JM and XF. 

Honestly, I'm a little angry about this. Everyone is rushing to side with RY now, some even says that XF deserves being punished for having such horrible parents and for "stealing" his brother's girl. It's like the drama has decided to change the male lead in the last few episodes. If they keep this up, no one is going to care about XF anymore, ugh 

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1 hour ago, canstand said:

I have zero interest of mixing the novel and drama together, even though they are the same story.  The truth is the writers did change RY's backstory in the drama, and mixing them together are prejudice. Indeed, you can't justify your action to hurt someone even if you are pitiful, but when someone slap you in the face, you better slap back. Personally, Heavenly empress' actions are cruel and unforgivable, and RY's action are no where near her.  I'm rooting for JM and XF, and I can find reason to justify RY's action. RY loves his brother, and he loves JM as well. After all, when your mother killed my mother and tortured me for years, why can't I ask for a payback? Speaking of hell-bent on revenge, I still remember John Wick killed a whole bunch of people when he's dog got killed.

Well, he has the right to get back to the Heaven Empress, but what about XF and JM? They are the ones who get hurt the most. The drama hasn't gone there so I'm not going to judge him on that yet. But if he does pull the same stunts like he did in the book to XF and JM, nothing will be able to justify his actions for me.

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20 hours ago, clawedzip said:

Oh I see. But how exactly would the Empress kill Jin Mi permanently as a mortal? Isn't the whole point of mortal trials that you die during them, and then revive as your original self?

As you can see in ep 19-20 aired today, the masked man, who is working for the Empress, can create a special weapon that can permanently murder a fairy/god. If Jin Mi is killed by that weapon, not just her mortal body, but her heavenly soul will also die. I hope this makes sense to you, cause English is not my first language and there are many Chinese terms that I can't translate properly.

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8 minutes ago, clawedzip said:

Can someone who understands the raws explain what exactly is the deal with Jin Mi's mortal trial and how the Heavenly Empress is involves?

Before reuniting with her father, Jin Mi was only a fruit fairy, now her father wants her to live up to her potential. So he takes her to see his teacher help so she can help breaking the seal on Jin Mi's real power and then, he asks the Heaven Emperor to "promote" Jin Mi to God status so she can inherit her mother's title. But the promotion is considered unfair because most Gods have to spend years on building up their power and going through difficult trial in order to be promoted. Hence, Jin Mi has to go through a mortal trial, so she can get promoted when she comes back. The empress is planning to kill Jin Mi permanently during the trial because she's going to be at her most vulnerable as a mortal, all alone in mortal realm, without any protection by her side. Phoenix figures out his mother's intention so he followed her to the mortal world.