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Well well well, here we are, at the end. What a wild ride!
Honestly I couldn't complain about the last ep, it really wrapped up all the different relationships and friendships along the way. I would have hated it if there was some plot twist at the end, like if Doom came back as a human but gets into a car accident... I would be SO SO mad. I'm glad that it ended the way it did, and that I got my happy ending
I couldn't help but think that Seo In Guk must have been a little happy when he could FINALLY eat loool due to some behind the scenes where he was complaining about not being able to eat
I liked the scenes with Young Prince... I guess our noona here is still very popular hehe. And the interactions between him and Doom were so funny and cute!
I also liked the little jabs between Dong Kyung and team leader Cha...their bickering is very natural, I like their chemistry. I actually like their chemistry a bit more than team leader Cha and Na Ji Na... haha. I guess they're just a bit more natural/comfortable with each other whereas with Ji Na it is a bit more heart fluttering.
I actually even like the fact that they didn't wrap it up TOO nicely with them getting married. I think it's only natural that they will eventually, but it's not like they have to rush it. Neither of them are going anywhere
Overall, at the beginning the plot was a bit confusing, and the way they fell in love seemed a bit convenient for the story, but I did enjoy the chemistry of the characters and I did like the way it ended. I also liked the way that they explained how Doom was able to become human...it made sense (even if it did seem a little tooo convenient). I'll miss having this to look forward to on Mondays and Tuesdays!!
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Hehe, second lead couple still makes me smile
I missed Seo In Guk in this ep, there weren't enough scenes of him
I can't believe there's ONLY one more episode left, how can this be?!?! It really feels like there could be a happy ending, but I want to prepare my heart just in case... like c'mon, there's no way that it would be a sad ending, right?!?! Here's hoping that they both get to live happily together!!!
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5 hours ago, xprosperity said:
I think the mountain spirit is really trying to force Woo-yeo to up his game with only half a year left. If he doesn't turn human (make that marble blue...), he's basically going to become an evil spirit (maegu) and there'll be no going back from that. He merely showed Woo-yeo the red string between Seo-woo and Damto make him DO something, sort of like a message of: "If you become human in this half a year, then you can be with her." It'll be interesting to see how Woo-yeo "changes destiny" and from the preview, it looks like he's set out to grab their destiny and twist it his way... like how he twisted Dam's shirt to prevent her from falling... and not to pick a fight...
I like the way you are thinking
I don't think the mountain spirit is doing it intentionally to be mean ... I guess this is one way to really get Woo Yeo to up his game.
I have come to really like Seon Woo because of how much he has changed and become more respectful...and because of those changes I feel like he's become more handsome too XD I don't think he will be that much of a threat though, because Dam knows what she wants and won't be easily swayed... but I guess they have to make it somewhat interesting and bring him into the story a bit. I mean, up until now, he hasn't really done much except stand on the sidelines, right?
I appreciate that Dam didn't throw herself at Woo Yeo and boldly ignore his warnings like he kinda wanted...I mean, realistically speaking, she's right, she has a life of her own as well, and asking her to not care about her own safety is too reckless and would make me lose some respect for her. I did find it very cute when she boasted about her boyfriend to "Jae Jin" haha. I think that was a nice touch to patch up the misunderstandings. Glad they talked it through!
Also, am I the only one who thinks it's super weird that Woo Yeo is Dam's professor??? I'm just constantly worried that they'd be caught together, and also CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANYONE???? As soon as they patched it up and realized Dam didn't lose her memory, I think he should have quit as her prof cause that is SUPER weird. Like especially the scene where they first made up and held hands outside the dorm area when they were on that trip, I was constantly expecting someone to see them from a window or something........
Now we have to wait a week for the next ep.... T_T
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OMG they kissed!!! There is no way that team leader is going to lose now!! Go go go~~~
I laughed out loud when he said "well...tell me if you need cash" LOL
What Ji Na said when she went drinking with Hyun Kyu... is very true. She was probably more in love with the idea of him than the actual him at that present time.
Very happy that Dong Kyung and Doom finally remember each other...although I did welcome their silly attitude toward each other for a bit. I find it extremely adorable how Dong Kyung actually blamed him for not remembering her loool I can't side with her on that one, it was totally not his fault! But she's just so darn cute!!! "how could you forget about me???" haha ahhh I just wanna put her in my pocket...
Ughh I really don't want this to be a sad ending
But it seems like there's no way they can be together....I wonder how it will end.... with 3 eps to go there could be a lot to cover...
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omg it's back!!!!
I really missed the crew after season 1 ended, but glad they are all back! I love the interactions between Song Hwa and Ik Jun... it gutted me when she rejected him. I think I echo everyone's thoughts, that Song Hwa is just not ready yet but the seed has been planted. But the ball is in her court now! Hopefully we continue to see the development of her feelings in this season.
I am really liking Min Ha...she's so cute and I really feel for her in that Christmas dinner scene. Haven't we all been there when it comes to one-sided love...
The scenes with Yeon U's mom, really tugs at your heartstrings. I love that the experienced Professor Ahn knew how the mom felt, and guided Gyeo Wool with his advice. The scene where Gyeo Wool was chatting with Yeon U's mom was one of my favourites this ep.
I also love that they used Rain and You as the song this ep~ I'm not well versed in a lot of the music they normally play, but this song I am aware of and love. <3 They did a great rendition of it, and now I can't stop playing all the different versions.
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Hmmmm ep 11 was kind of boring but ep 12 was a bit more interesting. But I must say, if the deity was going to change their fate, it doesn't seem like she did a very thorough job? I mean at least try to remove traces of each other's existence... and also she deliberately told Dong Kyung to go to the rooftop knowing full well that Doom will be there... XD I'm also a bit confused what her stance is, like does she want them to be together in the end? But then why did she even offer to remove them from each other's fate?
I did like the parts with Dong Kyung and the writers (both the young one and the older one)...very sweet to see her relationship with others. I found it really funny how the background music changed when the young prince writer met Doom at the front of the hospital and like epic music started playing loool they're natural enemies haha
And the date with Hyun Kyu and NJN....sooooooo awkward. I think they had to have it just to remind us how passé their relationship was...they don't know anything about each other anymore. I am rooting for team leader Cha, although his demeanor is stone cold as always. I found it somewhat hilarious how he basically confessed in the most nonchalant way. I would be kinda annoyed too, if I were NJN, but because it was Lee Soo Hyuk he can pull it off and I would forgive him <3 I'm glad that he finally admitted to his feelings so she knows what his stance is. NJN has to choose team leader, right? XD
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Very interesting episode...felt like it was moving the story along nicely. A few comments:
1) Dam's mom being very open minded kinda makes sense; if she spends a lot of her time overseas, then I feel like she wouldn't be as traditional as most Korean moms. Pretty funny to see them so nervous only to end with her shipping them. Interesting family dynamics for sure.
2) It felt a little strange for the friends to push her to go on a blind date so soon after she got "rejected"... I mean in a normal situation wouldn't you want to give your friend space to get over it? Also a bit "ehhh" about the fact that the friend didn't even really know the dude and got her to go out with a rando that he met once. I wouldn't want my "best friend" to do that -_-""
3) Dang, the fact that he kinda "allowed" his first love to die like that was quite heartbreaking. Obviously Dam isn't going to meet the same fate. I wonder if they will go the route of him taking the marble out, her losing her memories but continue to be drawn to him and then they start fresh or what. I was thinking, couldn't he just take the marble out, erase her memory, and then meet her again and then fall in love, and continue the cycle again? It'll kind of be like 50 first dates but at least he could still keep meeting her? hahaha
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Been liking this drama! I'm also watching Doom At Your Service, so this feels like a nice lighthearted drama to follow it... plus I'm thrilled that I get new eps Monday through Thursday!
I don't want to, but I feel bad for Seon Woo... at least he's kinda trying right?
I guess Hyeri's reactions are a bit over the top sometimes and that's her charm LOL but it's so strange when you look at her vs the way that Woo Yeo acts, he's like waaaay too proper. The way he talks kind of reminds me of a hypnotist or something, his voice is so deep and calming. I guess opposites attract right?
Interested to find out about the recent brutal murders...preview to next ep also looks interesting
can't wait!
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I really enjoy watching this drama, but the plot has always kinda been confusing to me. I watch it for the actors and their chemistry together, but this whole doom/end of the world/wish thing feels a bit convoluted. I have no idea what the end game is, I'm sure I won't be satisfied with the ending either way LOL but Park Bo Young and Seo In Guk are so cute together, I'm just enjoying the visuals....
I agree with a lot of people here, 2nd lead couple/triangle is a bit more interesting so I like it when that storyline develops.
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This drama is getting more and more interesting. Usually I am most interested in romance between the leads but it seems like everything else is so interesting that I don't even really care that much if there isn't as much romance between the leads. I just want to find out what happens next!
Ep 12 was definitely an emotional one. I especially liked the scene where the goblin found his loyal subordinate and finally after 900 years, was able to repay him for his loyalty so many years ago. That was such a well done scene...brought a tear to my eye.
During the entire episode I felt so sad for the grim reaper. Poor guy must have been so torn when he realized that regardless of who he was in their past lives, he would be a bad memory for both the goblin and his sister.
I was a little frustrated with the goblin for coming after the king after his confrontation with the evil eunuch. From all his memories of the grim reaper, he should have come to realize that 1) the grim reaper remembers nothing 2) he truly loved his sister, which was why he felt sad/regret/remorse/heartbroken when he saw the picture of the queen 3) the king was just young, naive and easily manipulated due to the circumstances in which he was raised. I think the evil eunuch at that point posed a much higher threat, given that his sword had no effect on him and he is still running around possessing humans. I guess when you are in the moment, logic takes a backseat but I felt like he didn't have his priorities straight. I guess this makes for a better and more dramatic scene. I always viewed the king as naive and easily manipulated, but not outright evil or ill-willed. From the way that goblin told his stories about his past, I would have thought that he shared my views.
I was also a bit disappointed with the God/DH reveal. I really wanted DH to actually be God's human form, instead of a vessel of God. I mean, this was before I realized how cruel this God was and how much he enjoyed playing with their emotions...I always thought that he was kind of looking out for them (e.g. when the goblin couldn't find his bride, he told him where he could find her), but it seems like I was mistaken. It would have been awesome if DH was actually God, so then he could help them defeat the evil eunuch...but it seems like he is leaving them to their own devices.
I'm not sure how there could be a happy ending for everyone, but I really hope that can be the case. They're all just so precious you want the best for all of them. I've been enjoying this drama so far but the ending could really make or break it. I really hope it continues to be good up until the very end.
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I really wanted to go through everyone's comments but I have so many pages to go and it's already 2:30AM right now and I am sooo tired... and I just had to let out my excitement for the next episode before it actually airs!
As soon as I finished episode 11 and watched the previews I couldn't contain my excitement for what's to come! Unfortunately a lot of angst and heartbreak for our main leads it seems but I can't wait to see what will happen to the evil eunuch and WHO THE HECK DH IS. The latter is just really killing me!! I knew there was something special about him, but now that we can finally know what exactly he is....I just can't even. He looked so cool in the preview too!!
As everyone has pointed out, evil eunuch is too creepy...in that last scene as soon as he entered the frame I was like ET should really just blown out her lighter right then and there...don't hesitate! But if he's just a ghost, does he really have any powers / can he really harm or influence living beings? Or is it because he's been a ghost for so long and also he has so much resentment, somehow he has more powers than a regular ghost? I can't see him being more powerful than the Goblin himself but who knows. I hope he gets what he deserves! This should get really interesting.
I hope we get to see some more scenes of Chairman Yu before he passes away too. He's such a nice guy and even though he's getting old it'll still be really sad for everyone when he does actually die.
It was such a nice scene when the granny came to ET's graduation... she really does have a soft spot for our ET
the way she stroked her hair and said that she was happy when she blessed her mom with her was really sweet.
Something I've been curious about and I'm not sure if anyone has asked before...they said grim reaper is 300 years old, but obviously Wang Yeo died 900 years ago. So what exactly happened in between the 600 years? DId he reincarnate as someone else and kept his regrets with him until he decided he would be a grim reaper so he could forget? I'm really curious and would like them to explain eventually.
Anyway I am SO stoked for tomorrow's episode!!
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Hello everyone! First time commenting in this thread~ glad to see so many people into this drama
I finally gave in a week or so ago and started watching Goblin...it was kind of hard to follow at first, since the plot is somewhat complicated, but I am really enjoying it so far!!
To be honest I think a lot of people share the same sentiment with me in that the bromance between the Goblin and the Grim Reaper takes the cake and the chemistry there is way better than either of the romances...I mostly watch it for 1) the bromance 2) the squad (Goblin, Grim Reaper and Goblin's bride) 3) the amazingly corny but effectively heart fluttering/wrenching lines given by Goblin's monologues.
There are some things that I don't really like as much about it -- how Goblin has a somewhat bipolar way of expressing himself to Euk Tak is confusing as heck. I mean granted, it is somewhat believable considering the circumstances (he's constantly torn about what he wants from her), I still think it could be handled a bit more delicately. He shouldn't have lied to her from the beginning and he should have at least tried to be a bit consistent in the way he treats her. That being said, the whole dysfunctional family that the squad depicts is actually somewhat effective and endearing given how they all started out and ended up together. I am really hoping for a somewhat happy ending but I'm not really holding my breath for it because the premise of the entire story is more of a sad one. Still, I think what is most captivating about this drama is that it handles several genres actually quite well -- and it depicts humor when there is time for humor (I've actually LOL'd from watching some of the scenes between Goblin and Grim Reaper) and it can be heartbreaking and serious when it needs to be. Personally I don't find the actors LDW and GY that attractive (not exactly my cup of tea), but that's only a testament to how interesting the show is, because i'm not watching it for the eye candy! I do think they portray their characters very well though...and maybe if I continue to watch it, maybe I'll change my mind haha.
I do think the premise of the drama is really kind of sad though... basically the Goblin has to die when he will finally find something that he wants to live for. And that thing he wants to live for...will have to be the one thing that causes his death. When I watched the latest episode with the last scene, I was like "Are you kidding me?? How much more tragic can this get??" My hopes of a happy ending is pretty low at the moment...I was kind of hoping that the deity could be tricking him or something....or maybe she is actually an evil deity who is just messing with him and telling him false information...because there isn't really a guarantee that even after Eun Tak fulfills her purpose, she will be spared....I think it's better if the Goblin stays alive so he can continue to protect her
That's just my wishful thinking though haha.
Anyway, looking forward to the next episode!! Hoping for more humor and less sad news.
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I re-watched some scenes from the finale and I realized that Hae Soo is actually pretty lucky even through all the pain she had to endure. I know I found Jung annoying throughout the series mostly because of his stubbornness and unwillingness to side with logic, but in the last episode he more than made up for it. Even through everything, even if he had to love her in silence, he still did it all for her. Even if he hated his brother he still sent all her letters to him, in hopes that she can see him before she dies. He gave her space, never forced himself on her, and he kept his promise and raised her daughter as if his own. I am quite touched by how selfless he was.
What kind of confused me was, in the scene when she died...Jung asked her "In your next life, you'll remember me won't you?" and she replied with "I'm going to forget you. I will forget everything."
I'm not exactly sure what she meant by that -- to not get his hopes up? I feel kind of bad for him. This guy's going to spend his whole life protecting your daughter...the least you could do is tell him that you would remember him in the next life??? That was my reaction lol I'm not sure if anyone else felt the same way? It was such a touching and sad moment but I felt like she was being a bit too cold to him by saying that.
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I try and I try but I can't stop thinking about MLSHR...my Monday and Tuesday feels so empty without it. I'm constantly perusing the forums, checking and rechecking LJG and IU's instagram for more teasers...anything to fuel my love for MLSHR~~ I'm like a girl who keeps waiting for a sign from their ex-boyfriend even though it may never come
On an unrelated note, now that I've had some time to think about it... I think I understand why I can't let go of the OTP. Honestly I don't remember ever being attached to a couple from a kdrama this much before. Personally I have always had a serious case of second lead syndrome; sometimes I may even quit watching a kdrama halfway because I know the main female lead will not end up with my desired male choice. I would have liked more episodes dedicated to So-Soo scenes, but I don't think the build-up was really a bad thing. I think it actually made me like the couple more; to me, it actually felt like So was the second lead for the longest time...because he was the one pining after Soo and not receiving any love in return. He gave her his whole heart and she didn't accept him. It was only later, after a period of time, when she warmed up to him and finally reciprocated his love. This really appealed to me because in this case, the second lead became the male lead. Finally, my guy gets the girl!
It is a bit sad to see everyone go, whereas I am still discovering the many reasons why I love this series so much. I can't let go just yet... still waiting for something more ~~
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In the midst of feeling complete and utter sadness during the last episode, Jung's sideburns gave me something to be amused about. Was it always this long and prominent??? For some reason it looks a lot longer here (maybe it's the angle) but it feels like that thing keeps growing...
Let's take a moment to admire it:
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Before everyone starts leaving, just wanted to say thank you to everyone here for the thrilling ride!!! I was actually really into kdramas back in 2003-2010 time period but basically didn't touch anything for 6 years. Somehow the little preview clips from Drama Fever got me intrigued initially, but it was really you guys that made me stay and got me super hooked. It has been such a pleasure reading all your comments and your thoughts, and being able to share some of my own and knowing that there are people who share my views. I enjoyed this series a LOT and am really sad to know that it is over. I will probably still be lurking around and posting from time to time after watching the last episode 10 more times... but just wanted to say thanks to ya'll before it's too late
It has been a wild ride but a very fun one nonetheless
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16 hours ago, fengari said:
In BH and WS ´s last meeting, BH announces to WS, WW ´s death, and adds that "now, no one left to visit, so I leave". I think that BH visits to WW and maybe to WJ(a visit we didn´t witnessed) were made under WS request: WS asked BH to visit everyone was close to HS and "record" their memories with her in paintings. This is why we have the painting with the WW-HS promenade in the snow, and Lady Hae death. Also the scene with the HS´s comic bow in front of the king.(sole alive witnesses back then in this scene were WW and his mother).
So, it was WS who wanted to leave signs for her that he (and not only him but all the persons she loved and cared for) remembers. The fact, that he delivers also memories of her time with WW, shows that he holds no grudge, that he understood, and that he respects her memories . (damn, tears comes as i am writting this
Thanks for providing such a profound interpretation of the drawings. I really wished that they could have been more obvious about this, if it was their intention. Maybe indicate that Baek Ah was the artist, or something...because the one thing that really tore me apart after watching the finale was that even though Hae Soo remembers everything, she never realized the fact that So didn't read her letters, and didn't show up before her death only because he didn't know she was dying. Before Soo died she still thought that he harbored a strong disdain for her, and I suspect that when she remembered her past, that is also what she would remember. I would have preferred to see the rain scene as one of the drawings, as it was one of the more impactful scenes for So-Soo. Or, even have pictures of him playing with their child, to let Soo know that he knew, and that he still had a piece of her after her death. I just think that if this was him leaving signs for her, it's a little bit too subtle and I would have wanted him to be more obvious that he had forgiven her, and that he still loved her until his death.
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I know probably 90% of the people here hate Hae Soo for hurting poor Wang So (or at least that is what I gather from all the posts), but I totally get where she is coming from. Sure, I feel sad for Wang So all the same, but I don’t think it’s fair to blame it all on Hae Soo. I have long accepted the fact that Hae Soo needs to leave the palace – for her sanity, for her health, for everyone’s happiness – and I truly believe it’s better for everyone. In a previous post I mentioned that Hae Soo and Wang So’s beliefs and values are very different; with such fundamental differences in values, it is hard to co-exist in a loving relationship. Hae Soo is too compassionate. Wang So is too cynical, too realistic. The two may love each other very much (and I still believe they do), but their personalities are actually way too extreme, on such far ends of the spectrum, that it’s hard to reach a middle ground where both can compromise.
I think the writer built So’s character up so much as a selfless loving character for Soo (he drank poison for her, defied the king for her, etc) that we felt like we were Soo and it is a blessing to be loved by a man who can love you so endlessly and unconditionally. However, we are all so entranced that we don’t realize it’s actually a curse in disguise. From the get-go we know that So’s perception of love and friendship is a bit different from others. He often throws phrases around like “you are my person” or “If it were any other man, I might have killed him”. He has always been possessive of those he considers his people, viewing them as something very precious to him. To him, it doesn’t really matter what happens to anyone else, as long as his people are okay and protected. What he fails to understand and internalize is that his people – Hae Soo and Baek Ah – also have people who are precious to them. When he makes his decisions to protect them, he doesn’t consider the impacts to the people that they find precious and the collateral damage that is a result of his decisions. This is very clear in his statement to Baek Ah when he confronts So about knowing Woo Hee’s plan – to him, Baek Ah will always be more important. Because he feels that way about you, you should in turn feel that way about him. In his world, nothing matters to him besides Soo and Baek Ah, so in their world, nothing should matter to them except for him. However, that’s not how most of the world operates, and not how most relationships/friendships work. As such, I can see why Baek Ah said what he said.
I feel like So never has a problem with emoting, but he definitely has a problem with empathy. Sometimes it is important to put yourself in others’ shoes, and consider how they feel before making a decision that will affect those that they care about. He almost has a my-decisions-are-the-best-for-you-so-why-don’t-you-appreciate-it attitude, like a parent who feels like they know best for their child. However he isn’t Soo’s father, and being in a relationship where they should be equals (what 21st century Soo is accustomed to), I can see this being a factor in pushing Soo further away. I also echo the sentiment of another poster (sorry forgot who), that So stopped openly communicating basically after he became King – which only amplifies the problems.
Some have been arguing that Wang So has tried everything he can to make the relationship work, but I still don’t really buy it. I think he is trying to make it work in his own terms, but still not really understanding Soo’s heart. I think the moment that he chose the throne was the moment that their relationship was doomed. Soo is the epitome of the opposite of the monarchy system. Her entire upbringing is geared towards democracy, human rights, equality. She’s a compassionate soul. The crown has to make some tough decisions, and ones that Soo will most definitely not agree with. Living in that environment will be the end of her. She’s already had to compromise so much of herself for So; I don’t agree with the statement that she didn’t try. I would like to reiterate the fact that it is okay to leave sometimes. In fact, sometimes it is much harder to let go, but it is the right thing to do, both for her, and for So. People change, circumstances change, and I don’t blame her for wanting to leave the toxic environment that is the palace. Call it self-preservation; call it preservation of the beautiful memories of their love…sometimes two people love each other and it still doesn’t work out. That’s life.
I thought the last scene with Soo saying goodbye to Baek Ah and Wook was bittersweet. Some people got really angry at the fact that she was all chummy with Wook, but I don’t really see it as a bad thing. Soo is not a person to hold grudges; plus Wook actually did kind of help her escape the palace, albeit his original intentions were not pure (he even admitted it, so good on him). Knowing that this is the last time she will see him, and wanting to end on a good note...I think it is understandable. Besides, the fact that she is able to say goodbye with a smile on her face proves that she really doesn’t have any feelings for him left. So, on the other hand…she still cares deeply for, and will miss dearly.
A few other random things I’d like to point out:
1) When Yeon Hwa came to blame everything on Hae Soo – I was in disbelief. OF COURSE the evil princess b*tchface is going to dump all the blame on Soo and then dust her hands off and call it a day. Let’s throw in some fake tears too. Give me a break! How can Yeon Hwa not take any blame for Wook’s fall into the dark side when he had to gain ambition for the throne to save her richard simmons because she wanted to poison the crown prince??? I am going to be so angry if Yeon Hwa and Won don’t get what they deserve in the finale. That will be the one thing I look forward to.
2) To be honest, I hate to admit it but Jung really is the one prince that could give Soo what she needs. Though I still find him annoying…but he will make her happy. Too bad she’s not in love with him (poor Jung, poor So, poor Soo). But the heart wants what the heart wants. His love and admiration for her is very pure.
3) I find it a bit weird how the last straw for So was Wook’s admission to a previous relationship with Soo. For someone who cares so much about keeping Soo by his side, it is a bit weird that he chose that as his last straw. Soo even told him that there was someone else that she loved, and obviously she would have gotten over him by the time she accepted So, so why does it matter who she used to love? It’s not like she is still in love with him, and it’s not like she is asking to marry Wook now. I will never really quite understand the complicated mind of Wang So.
Time to brace myself for the finale
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1 hour ago, kdramawriter said:
@adnana "She doesn't seem to be thinking about So at all--not about her solemn promise to stay by his side, nor about how he'd feel about her departure and whether maybe he'd let her go simply because she wants to and without it requiring Jung's unwelcome interference. Sigh."
I guess you can parse this in two ways. You can say that HS is being selfish, but I see it as self-preservation.
What is more important? Their love or her individuality? I feel like as a modern woman, Ha Jin is entitled to feel like she is still a person; not just a source of comfort for her man.
There's still a tiny bit of Ha Jin left in Hae Su, and I think her leaving Wang So is a desperate attempt to preserve what's left of herself. She's already given up so much of herself to be with him. She's struggling with the polygamy aspect of his life, which is necessary for consolidation of power, but murderous on her heart. She's trapped in the palace all day when she's told him that she loves her freedom and she wants to live her life the way she desires. She's also desperately ill and cannot tell him because it would not allow him the decision to let her go. She's is trapped in every way: emotionally, physically, and mentally. So I completely understand Hae Su when she decides to leave.
Wang So has stopped confiding in her, he has essentially stopped talking to her about his problems after he married Yeon Hwa. Probably because he feels incredibly guilty about marry someone who is not Hae Su again. The first time he married the Mu's daughter, he told her that he failed her, but that he did not wish to discuss it with her. And this ultimately hurt Hae Su more than if he had explained himself. The exact same thing again with the marriage to YH.
Hae Su only has one reason to be in the palace and that is her relationship with Wang So. The betrayal from Chae Ryung is only the straw that broke the camel's back. This is a long time coming. Ever since the proposal when she realizes that she can't marry him, it's been going downhill this way. I think they both are in denial the end of their relationship, because they're going to hurt each other MUCH more in Ep 19 before they break apart. But I don't fault her for leaving. She must to save herself.
Adding quotes b/c I haven't figured out replies yet!
I totally agree with this - well said! I think in a way, it is more selfish of us to want HS to stay by WS's side no matter what changes. People change and circumstances change. I do believe that all the accumulated loss and grief she has had to endure, as well as losing her sense of self, is eating away at her little by little. If she stays in the palace, there will be nothing left of her but a shell of her former self.
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What a heartbreaking episode! The gap between our OTP is getting bigger and bigger...but that is inevitable.
I see a lot of people taking sides, but I think I can understand the characters' motivations and where they are coming from. It's actually kind of unfortunate, the way the characters played out. I don’t doubt that Hae Soo and Wang So love each other very much, still, after everything. I don’t blame any single person for acting the way that they acted, given the circumstances. I think what I’ve come to realize after this episode is that love (even epic, passionate love) cannot be everything. There are so many faucets of one’s life outside of love that has to be considered, and can’t be conquered with love alone.
First of all, I don’t think we can really blame Soo for rejecting So’s marriage proposal, even though that’s the last thing she wants. Yeon Hwa and Jimong have a point, though I hate to admit it. In So’s position, comfort alone is not enough, given that he needs support to keep the throne. If you truly loved someone, and knew that you were useless to them when it came to a very important aspect of their life (and we’re talking about life and death, because as Queen Hwangbo stated, the only way he can remove himself from the throne is if he dies), would you still go through with marriage knowing that it would be a burden for them? In the end she did it to protect So, and even though it sinks our ship, it is understandable given the numerous pressures from various parties. She knows that So will never give up on her willingly, but she also knows that she will be his downfall. I can’t really fault her for that; I can only feel sad with her.
The two love and respect each other very much, but I think a lot of the problem stems from their differences in values. I guess you can blame it on their different upbringing or the fact that they come from different centuries, but they are on totally different wavelengths. I never thought the characters were inconsistent. Maybe they are actually a bit too consistent with how they always revert back to their moral compass no matter the situation.
Hae Soo has always been a fair person, with little regard for ranks even within the palace. She stands up for people. She feels bad for people. She cares more about others than herself. We’ve seen this time and time again, whether it was kneeling in the rain for days for Court Lady Oh, or whether it was to scar her neck to keep Jung safe, or whether it was to hold a stick against gangsters so that Jung doesn’t lose his arm, or whether she beat a prince up because he was a peeping Tom. She was upset at the fact that people can just tie someone up and beat them like an animal (when Yeon Hwa did that to her). She’s compassionate. This was just the way she was raised, and what she believes in and stands by. She may be hardened by life in the palace, but she sticks by her moral compass, even if sometimes it gets her in trouble. She may have been used and wronged by people, but she never stops believing in people. She doesn’t believe in an eye for an eye.
Wang So has never experienced love in his life. He was abandoned, thrown away by his family, and never learned to be compassionate. He just doesn’t care – all he ever wanted was his mom’s approval. Everyone looked down on him, except Hae Soo and Baek Ah. He was somewhat tenderized by Hae Soo’s care for him, but I don’t think he would ever hesitate to do what he must to protect himself and the ones he loved, if necessary. That’s why he killed the monks, to protect his mother. That’s why he killed Chae Ryung, to protect Soo. I think the only difference between before and now, is that he has more power and can condemn anyone he pleases to hell, whereas before it was a lot more effort and heavy lifting on his part.
I think that’s where there’s a huge disconnect; Hae Soo values human lives as equals, no matter your crime, and Wang So will stop at nothing to give people what they deserve. With such drastic differences in values, it is hard to co-exist in a loving relationship, especially when one is in a position of power and can actually stop at nothing to give people what they deserve.
I understand why Wang So did what he had to do to Chae Ryung, because she did commit a serious crime, and in his position, in that era, it was the right thing to do. I also understand why Hae Soo was so upset. If Chae Ryung really was a sister to her, even if your little sister lied to you and did something really really bad…you can’t give up on her. I don’t agree that Chae Ryung’s only crime was that she was a slave / she was in love, but I do sympathize with Hae Soo on why she would be so heartbroken. Even if she can’t forgive Chae Ryung for lying, it would be better off to know that she is alive and never see her again, than to know she had to go in such a savage way, in front of Soo.
I have never watched the C-version so I can’t compare, but if I were Hae Soo I would probably want to give up at this point too. Hae Soo really wants So to be a good king, and she thought that by being by his side, she can positively influence him and help him through his troubles. Of course, she loves him too and wants to stay with him even if it’s hard on her, as long as he is happy. But I think even Soo must realize by now, that she cannot really do much for So. So condemned Jung to his hometown, and made sure that he will be killed if he steps foot in Songak again. He didn’t let Jung see Queen Yoo before she passed. Though I understood his vengeance towards his mother, not letting your younger brother see her before she died is kind of cold. Jung was annoying, but was never evil. Then he decided to beat Chae Ryung to death, who, even through deception and lies, was much like a sister to Soo over the years. As much as Soo wants to believe that she can influence him to be a good king, it really doesn’t seem like he is the good king that she wants him to be, given that he still has and exercises his brutal side even when she is there for him. For someone who said that he wants to take the throne to eliminate bloodshed and killing of his brothers, it really doesn’t seem like it right now.
If you think about it, Hae Soo has been through a lot. Having to share her love with someone she hates, but who can protect him. Having to wait 2+ years for him to come around, with no word from him during Yo’s reign. Having to be cooped up in a palace that suffocates her, but staying for him. The palace has really done nothing good for her, as all her friends and lovers either end up dying or turning their backs on her or being cast away from the palace. Yet she stayed, even though she isn’t fit to be in the palace, because of him. I can understand why she would want to leave. A person can only take so much before breaking.
I think the point of this long run on sentence is that I don’t doubt their love for each other, but sometimes love isn’t enough. If you have two totally different people who have different values in life, it becomes very hard to truly understand one another. Soo is a human of compassion, whereas So is a human of survival. Maybe if So did not take the throne, they would be able to complement each other; but with power comes responsibility, and I don’t think Soo is strong enough to shoulder that responsibility with So, because she is naturally compassionate.
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I really wanted to watch the SBS version tonight but it's currently half past midnight and the subbed SBS version just came out on Kissasian and I need to work tomorrow so I settled for the international version ><
First thoughts after watching international version:
1. Cute scenes with WS and HS while he first began ruling are way too short / glossed over
Lots of cut scenes and not enough details and dialogue! Though I did quite enjoy the dinner between HS / WS and Baek Ah - those three are such cuties.
2. Wow did Queen Hwangbo really give up on her son just like that? That's pretty cold.
3. Not really sure what was the point of turning WS into a ruthless king with the creepy evil scene on the throne. It feels a bit inconsistent as it all happened so fast and randomly. Though MAYBE they were trying to bring attention to the fact that Queen Yoo not accepting him still brings out the brutal side in him, as it did before HS became important to him. Maybe his mother's love (or lack thereof) is still important to him after all this time.
4. I felt a bit sorry for Yo in the end. He was misguided but to be alone like that at the end is kind of pitiful.
5. Jung is still stupid. What's new.
6. I pitied Wook a bit for the line he delivered about HS being the King's woman. To him, it is ironic and a bit hypocritical of HS to judge him when she went to WS, who became the king and was able to get the girl as well. To us, it was a totally different story because we knew what happened between the OTP. Still, this guy was too ambitious and wanted everything but ended up with nothing, so that's a little sad.
7. I admire YH for her ambition and balls, but hate hate hate her for trying to sink the So-Soo ship. The actress is beautiful but the character is so terrible that I cannot find her attractive. I really really hope she gets what she deserves or else I will rage so hard.
8. The last scene kind of made me laugh...the conversation between Wook and So was so overly dramatic when Wook was like "remember when Soo didn't want to marry the king, she cut her wrist...a woman with a scar can't marry the king" and then there was this thick air hanging between them and cut to close ups of both their faces -- I died. Is Wook seriously raising this as a potential issue for marriage LOL and is So actually concerned because this is the reason LOL Who even looks at the Queen's body besides the King anyway??? lol I just found that so ridiculous; out of all the reasons you can raise.... like she is an orphan with no clan backing her...you chose this one as your threat? I don't even know what to say.
I think I will watch the SBS version tomorrow so I can get more So-Soo scenes...will probably need to overdose on those before EP18 tomorrow
expecting to be very saddened.
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Reading everyone's reactions / recaps is making me so antsy!!! I haven't watched EP 17 yet but I almost don't want to for fear of my fragile heart breaking...
I almost want to fast forward to the goodbye scene (because we know it will happen), just to get it over with
I can just pretend that the drama ended in after WS confessed his love for HS
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5 hours ago, clarissasan said:
Hello guys, I'm making a new quiz
This time it's "Which Scarlet Heart Ryeo female character are you?" and has 7 characters as result
(Well, 6 actually...but...... (?) Find out yourself ^^)
Which Scarlet Heart Female Characters are You?
and here's the previous quiz I made if you haven't try
Which Scarlet Heart Ryeo prince is your Soulmate?
Hope you like it Enjoy!
I got Hae Soo and Wang So....
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1 hour ago, LyraYoo said:
http://www.vlive.tv/video/15137/이준기-은애한다-키스신-비하인드혼자-봐야하는-영상avi-※후방주의※
Original Soundtrack Survey, What is your top three most fave among the list?
My favourite would be:
Lee Hi - My Love
Davichi - Forgetting You
SG Wannabe - I ConfessI tend to like the sad / dramatic songs - but honestly speaking, I don't think there is a single song on the OST that I don't like! Everything is so so so good
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But it seems like there's no way they can be together....I wonder how it will end.... with 3 eps to go there could be a lot to cover...
Lots of cut scenes and not enough details and dialogue! Though I did quite enjoy the dinner between HS / WS and Baek Ah - those three are such cuties.
(Well, 6 actually...but...... (?) Find out yourself ^^)
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Been enjoying this drama! Some stuff seems a bit rushed, like the relationship between Tom Kim and Jin... also you knew from the start that he was sketchy, they made it super obvious with the way he looked loool didn't have high hopes for him.
I guess they're planning on making Jin become the witch, and maybe Gil Yong will be her support? Can't decide if I want a love to blossom between them or not - the actors' ages are appropriate, but in the show he's supposed to be like 18 right? Feels a bit weird.... but still rooting for him cause he's so sincere (unlike slimy Tom Kim). He's too adorable!!
There's a lot of mystery with only 2 eps left... can't wait for it to unravel!