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Just my two cents regarding the above discussion of how the FTLY recaps at a certain site started to take on quite a negative snarky tone due to the (in my opinion, wrongly labelled) ‘noble idiocy’ story arc.
I was also aback by how much it seemed to disturb people to the extent that they no longer wanted to watch the drama or even felt the need to post negative comments even if they had given up watching and were only reading the recaps to watch the ‘wreck’ it had become. The re-cappers are entitled to their own opinions, but the snark which continued even after Gun’s reasons for his actions were presented in an persuasive and understandable manner made me do something that only happens once in a blue moon – come out of lurker mode and pour my heart out about I much I adore this drama. And looking at the comments for the final episode, I don’t think it was only me.
So, um, yay for the recaps. They eventually led me to C&C's "Pragmatic Altruism vs. Noble Idiocy" post which is such a beautifully crafted piece of writing.
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Regarding HW's shorn head and the interpretation that it’s a punishment of sorts for her adultery, it’s only after reading such comments that it occurred to me that, especially from a western perspective, the shorn head could be read that way.
But the thing is, in a Korean context, it’s not actually perceived as such. An adulterous woman might have her hair pulled out in a fight or she might be shamed in some other way, but cutting off her hair? Not really. And this is because ‘cutting hair’ holds a different meaning for Koreans.
Prior to Japanese colonization, there was a period of forced modernization in Joseon, and a key component of this was adopting western hairstyles for men. But as this went utterly against the Confucian notion that you shouldn’t damage any part of your body, including hair, because it was given to you by your parents, it led to an almighty angst-fest with grown men killing themselves rather than having their hair cut. So anyway, for a Korean viewer, forcefully cut hair would not automatically lead to ‘oooohhhh, adultery punishment’.
Anyway, for my part, the thing that occurred to me when I saw HW with her hair and SJ’s visit was ‘mandatory military service’. Just as boys return from service as men with abs, HW can use her time in jail to truly cleanse herself and contemplate on what she really wants out of life. That life may include SJ or it might not. Honestly, who knows? Most couples eventually do break-up unfortunately when the guy goes to do military service. But the thing is, if their love is able to endure the months of separation (2 years tops, trust me!), then I can’t think of a better foundation for their future.
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Regarding people's need for some assurance that HW will be out of jail soon, most knowledgable Korean viewers would have assumed that HW's time in jail would be 2 years maximum. She was a whistleblower as well as being a scapegoat - even those found guilty of the worst financial crimes are rarely given 10 year sentences. In addition, the Korean president regularly grants amnesty en masse (on Liberation Day, Independence Movement Day, etc), particularly for petty white collar crimes, so I should think that even if HW was given a relatively heavy sentence, she would actually be out of prison sooner than later. Hope this puts some minds to rest.
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Here to do my bit for the SLA lovers.
The context of the kiss is roughly as follows:
HW: Oh, by the way, your girlfriend just called.
SJ: I want you to know we haven't slept together or anything like that.
HW: (Something along the lines of) Why are you telling me/why should I care?
SJ: Well when I hear him call you Hyewon and think of you sleeping in the same room together it (something along the lines of) it ruffles my feathers.
HW: [she suddenly kisses him]. Is this what you want? (actually, not quite sure as was distracted by the sudden kiss). (Then something along the lines of) Don't mess with me kid...
Then the sudden back hug happened andthen I became distracted by YAI's face and then my telly died on me... which is why I find myself on this forum at this time of all times :-(
So that's all that I can offer. Hope it helps!
Hope that will be
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Voting for best couple has begun!
If you can manage to navigate the SBS website then get an ID and vote~
http://tv.sbs.co.kr/2013drama/vote.jsp
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At first I thought that something was fishy as the reunion seemed so easy and rushed.
And I still have an inkling that some crucial bit of information (a part of Eunsang's conversation with Won or some kind of decision on Won' part) is going to make an appearance next week - remember, there are two episodes left.
But if this is all we're going to get, then that quote from "Wonder Boy” by Kim Yeon Soo which Eunsang read at the bookstore does provide some comfort and a means to understanding her.
"Our hands holding onto each other as we escaped from amongst the people that time. The bone, muscle, and veins that strained to not let go, it’s almost everything of the love I know. What other love is there besides that? Just, besides the fact that I couldn’t let go of that hand." (CREDIT TO JOONNI)
When you're in love, being together is the default condition. Nothing is easier. It's the being separated that kills you.
As Eunsang stated to Chairman Kim, she still loves Tan. The only reason she left him was because Tan's father told her to. If you think that this is a non-reason, then you don't understand Korea. It may seem all ultra-modern and shiny from the outside, but Korea has always been and still is a horribly patriarchal society where girls - especially 'nice' girls like Eunsang – at least still believe that they OUGHT TO listen to their fathers or the equivalent.
So she’s left him and it’s killing her. But then suddenly Won appears and tells her to have courage. She realizes that something’s changed. It’s no longer Chairman Kim versus Tan but Chairman Kim versus Won + Tan. I know what my instinct would tell me… have faith in these two very virile men rather than being afraid of Chairman Kim who’s old and physically feeble.
And so she does. And when finally goes back to him, it’s so natural that the event seems almost insignificant. Just a ‘Hi’ is needed.
Honestly, I don’t think I could have made the decision to return to Tan so easily. I would have been a wee bit embarrassed for being the reason for all that fuss when I was going to get back with him in less than a fortnight. I would have taken a bit more time really hoping for some other excuse to return rather than just my finding courage, which is a nicer way of saying I changed my mind. But that’s me, an adult and not a 17 year old girl.
Heirs is about ‘just-on-the-cusp-of-adulthood’ young love. It’s innocent and rash and selfish and at times just plain silly but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’m just happy to see that love played out by two utterly gorgeous specimens of humankind and be able to say “awwww, bless”
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Many things, both positive and negative, can be said about today's episode. However, first things first....
GOD LMH IS REALLY REALLY REALLY HANDSOME.
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The Episode 17 recap is up at a certain site that I adore but have been trying to avoid whilst Heirs is airing for fear of an aneurysm from reading the comments section. At first I was all ‘OK just read the recaps and avoid the comments’ but easier said than done. So I went again today preparing to be all silently seething and repeating to myself ‘do not engage, DO NOT ENGAGE’ and lo and behold, I think the tide might be turning, mostly due to the stellar acting of LMH in this episode.
Much as I love Heirs, I’d be the first to admit that while this episode was necessary, not much happened in to move the plot forward. It was kind of like watching a music video… but the thing is I found myself utterly, utterly entranced by it and my heart was doing all these aching flippy things and I was all ‘otoke, otoke’. It was because LMH acted in such a way that I could feel every bit of his pain and anger and frustration and despair.
The begrudging comments that LMH received regarding his acting at that site although OMFG HEIRS IS THE WORST K-DRAMA EVER OMFG, or so they say, I think shows how sometimes truly great acting can win over even your greatest detractors.
It was good to know that whilst people can have their own opinions about what dramas they like and don’t like, most are rational enough to recognize and acknowledge something special when it comes their way, and those fair comments juxtaposed against the brainless and idiotic ones (really, why comment on a drama that you obviously don’t even watch?!?) have revealed the latter for what they truly are…
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Coming out of lurkdom to post some thoughts on the problematic 'you can have her'.
There was a reason that the writer who wrote a drama with a 26 year old LMH in mind decided to make the male lead a 18 year old boy. 18 year old boys are selfish and say and do stupid things. Tan may pretend to be all adult-like but when the richard simmons hits the fan and base instinct comes into gear, you behave your age. And given that Tan is a product of an uber-patriarchal society, it’s actually surprising that how ‘good’ he’s been up until now. It must be due to all that Californian air he inhaled during exile.
If a western male character had said 'you can have her', I wouldn’t have forgiven him as he should have known better. The same goes for a Korean male character in his 30s (such as JJW in Master’s Sun). But in the case of Tan, I’m not angry but just very very disappointed in him. It’s not just his fault. It’s his family’s fault and Korean society’s fault.
But Tan has shown through his comments to Eunsang today that he has the ability to learn, to look back upon his actions and see how selfish some of them have been. So I have hope that after all this has passed, Tan will have grown up that wee bit more so that the next time (heaven forbid) a similar situation occurs, he will at least NEVER EVER say something like 'you can have her' again.
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Long time lurker, first time poster here.
Have come out of hiding to point out that, geographically speaking, Buenos Aires is located literally at the opposite end of the world from Korea.
Hope that will help soothe some ruffled feathers, bless.
Oh and before I go back into lurking mode, I've read some really amazing and insightful comments on this Heirs thread - the one about what it means to be a spare to an heir and the same commenter's defense/explanation of what KES is trying to say through Heirs actually made me squee with delight - so thanks everyone!
[Official] Ryu Jun Yeol ❤ Hyeri Official Thread (Junghwan & Deoksun of Reply 1988)
in shippers' paradise
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Umm, as a longtime lurker who has gained many hours of pleasure from this thread, I come bearing an interesting tidbit.
So... would you agree that Hyeri's looks are 'unconventionally pretty/charming'?
Because when asked about his ideal type of woman 'at this very moment' (since types can change) during his 2pm fan meeting, he thought long and hard and then said someone who looks unconventional (특이) but of course charming (매력적). Using girl groups as an example, he said that he always tended to like not the main member (who tends to be conventionally pretty) but one of the others.
Back to lurkdom!