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    I won't ever be able to stop falling more and more in love with this little 184.5cm human encyclopedia of arts. :wub:

    It's thrilling and a bit frightening to follow him through these tumultuous days, but I believe if he plays his cards right, he will emerge as a different kind of idol, multi-talented yet humble, who voices his own voice instead of being just another cog in the entertainment machine, who can please the fans and general audience with pop-ish image yet also keep for himself a private artistic corner, like a secret garden that he would sometimes invite us to visit.

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  2. 1 hour ago, gayyoxx said:

     

    3/ Rumours are rumours and I believe most of us here will acknowledge rumours as rumours. Even if personally some of us believe in the rumours, the believers will not shove the rumours down everyone else's throat as truth.

    4/ On the darker side of things: sadly, the most that we have is rumours/speculation now. Some of us will disagree, some of us will agree. Some of the rumours will be proven as correct, some will be proven incorrect. Banning rumours from this thread will surely make this thread die, yes?

    Sorry I wasn't clear. I have no problem with news about JY and ZZ, (hardcore, even x-rated) shipping or speculation (the Goro necklace) or general rumors, like JY may get this show or ZZ may sing that song, what I don't like is news about drama in the fandom itself and unsubstantiated, improbable rumors from mega-delulu fans (like the ZZ in Dandong rumor I believe came from just one fan(?) and it was so vague, so surreal yet people ran with it anyway).

    I don't know, it's just my feelings and opinions, and yes, we need different perspectives. Who's to decide which rumor is plausible? I understand we have to cling onto every last thread possible now that there's almost nothing left between them, but feeding ourselves on drama between many fandom factions and easy-to-disprove therefore easy-to-be-disappointed rumors isn't sustainable anyway.

    @Scandani I don't want to spam another reply so I'm just gonna edit to add: I've seen posts about fandom wars here, but I didn't generalize in my post. There were posters who brought Weibo wars into this thread before and I didn't comment back then. And I'm sorry I respectfully disagree with keeping calling Xu Weizhou "wifey" just because it's habitual, the character, maybe ok, the actor, no. It's like keeping calling Eddie Redmayne "Danish girl". Also, it's one of the elements I truly don't like about Addicted and boy's love genre in general, in that someone has to be the "wife", it doesn't work like that irl. And irl, ZZ is not anyone's wifey. ZZ's fans are understandably offended with manips that put him in women's costume for example and those are posted here too. Misgendering someone isn't ever a nice thing to do.

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  3. I haven't ever believed the ZZ being in Dandong rumor for one minute. JY is literally frozen from almost all public/media activities right now, ZZ is in the middle of arranging the promotion of his album, and they both cannot risk being seen together, perhaps not ever but at least in the near future. How stupid would they be to agree to rendezvous like that if there was really something between them? I'm not saying there's NOT, because I've been spazzing over JY's Goro necklace (how's that progressing? is there any fan taking responsibility for the gift? did JY buy it himself???) but to meet secretly anywhere not in Beijing or Shanghai? LOL

    Fans have been having this weird competition about who's gonna succeed more between the two of them, and now it's turning to this even weirder victimization race about who's having it worse. Frankly, it's ridiculously unfair to tie them together like that, they met 6 months ago and had one acting job together. Even if there was season 2, they wouldn't want to be referred as YuZhou (or ZhouYu as ZZ insists lol) for the rest of their lives. Sorry, the more delulu couple fans, I do not ship them that way. Yet the fans have been fighting continuously about everything and anything, when are they going to let it go? forever a contest between them two? when will it stop? Isn't there already enough drama caused by invisible powers that be? That's why I tend to avoid fandom drama and baseless rumors, it's really hard to engage when there are mud slinging and pot stirring all the time.

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    The truth is JY and ZZ are both caught in the perfect storm. Good looking guys with captivating personalities and mesmerizing chemistry together, propelled with the couple effect from just one low budgeted web drama. It has lifted them to unbelievable height and now it's also sinking them under unprecedented obstacles. It's premature to say but I still do not know how or how long their careers (they haven't even been given time to build proper, legitimate careers yet) can recover after all this tbh. There are many plausible reasons why the authorities, both from the gov. and the industry brought the hammer on them, but I believe the biggest is not even the "condoning homosexuality" angle (that's why the un-coupling effort from only-fan is miserably comical and useless imo) but the "easy stardom" angle.

    JY has struggled in showbiz before, he's done various modeling jobs and game shows without success, Addicted's Gu Hai was the missing spark that any budding entertainer knows only comes once or twice in a lifetime, and contrary to his silly/aloof demeanor, he's NOT the happy-go-lucky type, I believe he knows this is his one chance to break in and he has been killing it with all the deals. Now his career is seemingly imploding and some of his fans, mostly acquired through Addicted or because of Addicted, have been blaming everything from the authorities to CJD and her company and ZZ and the Thai fanmeeting, ironically trying to erase Addicted/ZZ out of this world, effectively rendering him into this helpless, unprotected victim and martyr. (#onlycareaboutHJY is the most cringey hashtag I've ever encountered tbh)

    I've seen fewer venomous attacks from ZZ and couple fans, but there are and it's no less ridiculous. In the series, ZZ's role is decidedly less prominent so it's understandable he'd get fewer fans from the series, and I share the frustration of ZZ fans when couple-fans go overboard with their uke/feminine/submissive perception/depiction of ZZ. But without fan infighting, ZZ is already the one who has endured much worse scandals, and while he might have many talents and determine what his career goals are, he definitely lacks the actual skill and resource to navigate the intricacies of showbiz right now. He's a person with broad appeal, he needs to win over the general audience and overbearing, possessive fans do not help.

    And the most fervent couple-fans, like wow, not everything they do has to have anything to do with each other, simple as that. They're guys with over 20 years of many relationships, and for the most part you can only see them through some camera lens and hear them through secondhand words. Try to be a bit reasonable. You're fanning the fire in the wrong way.

    Imagine a new face that is backed and promoted properly by the powers that be, with big budgeted campaigns and prestigious roles, yet cannot reach the same popularity of one previously (mostly) unknown model and one kid who's still attending acting school, with nothing more than a boy's love drama under their belts. Literally famous overnight without any monetary cost, ROI = infinite. And the offers kept pouring in, imagine if there was a season 2, if they could both mining the couple image for a while, if magazines and shows kept spamming their faces, and they graduated the webdrama rank into proper stars as quickly as they became popular out of nowhere... Yes, it may be the most conspiratorial theory of all, but somewhere up there someone(s) is absolutely very displeased about CJD/JY/ZZ, and add in (getting famous by promoting) homosexuality, teenage sex depiction, and sensitive army-related plot, no wonder the ban comes hard and comes twice.

     

    Uh... what am I trying to say? Ah, yes, they are definitely inadvertent victims, of a bigger cultural purifying plan, of behind the scene intrigues, of politics... BUT NOT VICTIMS OF EACH OTHER. Don't blame the victim. Rationalize external reasons and forces all you want but they themselves did nothing wrong. They got popular together and now they're both suffering career-wise, there's no need to keep compare them, just as there's no need for fans to try to isolate them before (are you happy now?) and bring them together now (how?). I don't know if one day they will regret Addicted (or already have) if the winds don't change for the better, but for couple-fans, accept the fact they're (for now) ex-colleagues, effectively strangers; and for only-fans, why don't you just stop any crazy bitching "on behalf of/in protection of/for the good of/" either of them? They aren't gonna meet face to face blatantly, in public, they will go their separate ways, have their separate lives and work on separate projects (if any wow I'm bitter). The only thing keeps them in each other's life after all this is, quite frankly, only the two of them themselves. Least of all overzealous, vicious fans.

    I'm in this awkward spot for not being quite a couple nor only-fan, I love them together but I actually don't care to speculate their sexuality, I'm far more interested in their personalities and friendship. I have my bias (~pls respect ZZ's gender, he's not anyone's wife~ guess who lol) yet I can't promise to keep investing my time and money and emotion like a dedicated stan, but I do want to follow both of their careers, to support them and wait patiently for a day when they can officially stand together on stage once more. And Addicted still has a special place in me after all. This is quite honestly the last haven for peace so please, I do beg you guys, don't bring fandom drama/rumors into this thread.

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  4. A little melancholia for the weekend, I can't believe it's been only 2 weeks...

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    Every time I hear someone badmouth ZZ as being uncaring and cold-hearted (what) I'm gonna slap the first gif in their face. We all saw the other three tear up on stage, I wish just for once, ZZ, for you to be fragile enough to shed a tear under the spotlight, for someone to console you, for people to know how strong you actually are, holding it all by yourself and keep smiling.

    Just a head tilt back and all your tears went back inside.

    I'm getting so emoshunal :tears: the second gif is just symbolic though, he might just be concentrating on his performance, but the way the light dimmed out and his face fell... :tears: I remember seeing a short BTS clip that's the exact parallel, where he's all smiley when the camera's not running then someone yells "Action!" and his face frowns into BLY's stoic face (If you guys could find it, I'd be so thankful). Why does this cheery human sunshine keep breaking my heart???

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  5. On 4/24/2016 at 9:01 PM, htuvecila said:

    Ok so here is my short consolidation of ZZ and his friends for those who are curious.

    Basically ZZ has 3 groups of friends that he still hangs out with, they have been constantly sending support and kinda shield him thru thick and thin.

    Something I find interesting 

    As strange as it could be, our "spoiled baby" ZZ who seems to need protection all the time is the actual leader in most of the groups he hangs out with. He was the president of his class in high school, one of the founders and leader of his band PROME (and another band called Eggache), the MVP of his LOL squad who is in charged of attacking, member in the organiser committee to host a rock concert in Shanghai, etc. AFAIK, ZZ also never addresses Shi ge as "ge" (Chinese word to call someone who is older than you), he calls him "Xiao Shi" - "Little Shi" instead. From their SNS interaction I personally fell they respect and are proud of ZZ, or like they joke, they do listen to ZZ's order lol.

    About ZZ's support to his friends, I don't think I ever come up with another list like this again, it's quite painful lol. In short, it's 2-way affection. We just need to know ZZ deserves all the love coz he does the same for his friends. 

    Thank you @htuvecila, it's way late but this is beautiful! OK so huge post to dissect this Xu Wei Zhou person ahead haha.

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    You don't catch a glimpse of bossy!ZZ on camera a lot, he's formally trained to act so he can act this cute persona very convincingly. I'm not saying he's fake (lol no) it's just he's more than the typical 'idol' image in that he's NOT a push-over. A man can both like and behave like cute kittens but also strong-willed and assertive, he can be genuinely nice and ruthless at the same time, it doesn't mean he's insincere. He has been taking leader roles since high school so I'm sure whatever traits as an effective leader exist in him. I don't think he's actively trying to disrespect people older than him (like JY who is 2 years his senior), it's more like when they mutually agree to be friends then OK, I have this cute nickname for you. He lets everybody call him Zhou Zhou so perhaps he just doesn't care much about proper addressing lol, how much older should he get when he has to stop people from calling him ZZ? He may be bashful and naive in front of the camera, but actually is very shrewd irl. He has a million faces and one of those can scare the hell out of me. Look at this at 0:34 to see his gesture and facial expression before the camera rolls. What was that attitude for huh~ lol

    On 4/24/2016 at 2:08 AM, stillwater said:

    I am so glad ZZ has such supportive friends although it is interesting he's the leader of their different groups. But from the way he handles himself I can believe it. He also seems to have an amazing strength of character.

    ZZ seems like such a interesting individual His friends are all different but share this bond and he's able to garner all this support says something about him as well. They are so loyal to one another.

    Like water which can corrodes the strongest mountain, gentleness does not mean weakness. His friends and classmates respect him in lots of way, one of which is that they never gossip about him (unlike someone else who made a small scandal around JY), never upload images with his face even when hanging out (I think ZZ is also a private person in his own way, selfies, work-related photos and public appearance aside he doesn't let other people close to him publish his images. He doesn't talk much about his personal life, family and yes, even his friends). It is a two way street, no one needs to reciprocate someone who's a fake jerk. When you drop your idol persona to quietly watch your friends perform at the back of the auditorium, your friends will absolutely appreciate it and treat you back well.

    On 4/24/2016 at 2:54 AM, charlie10 said:

    Thank you @htuvecila for providing such in-depth info on ZZ's posse. I'm particularly intrigued by the he's-the-boss part. 

    ZZ is often cast as the cute kitten (a part of him he plays up, I believe, because it works great as PR for him) who JY can just do what he wants with (not exactly, but you get my drift). I said in some other post that I think he's actually pretty stubborn and I have a feeling he really is the boss most of the time. He's super polite, super nice, but I don't think you can boss him around too easily. (Which makes his relationship with JY even more interesting. And in that respect it kind of mirrors the dynamic between BLY and GH, doesn't it? Maybe they've met each other's match in several ways...?)

    ZZ is nice to those who are nice to him. JY is really gentle toward him (when there is no need) and they both tolerate, even adore each other's antics. He's nice to fans and friends because that's how he's brought up (by grandma Xu :wub:). But the way he treats scandals and paparazzi shows that he wouldn't back down or keep silent, but he wouldn't get angry and throw tantrum either. He's mature with a hint of mischief. Well a lot of mischief actually and I'm sure we'll see a lot of that side of him, naughty!ZZ, not just this cutesy image, he's just too damn adorable it'd be a waste if he didn't play it up but I hope he knows how rare he is in this idol world mostly devoid of interesting personalities.

    On 4/25/2016 at 8:14 AM, xix19xix said:

    Based on your analysis, I kinda feel that ZZ is extremely good at becoming friends with anyone. Which kinda makes me feel that how he is with JY is just what he will do normally. In other words, he treats JY as just another good friend. 

    He never calls JY "ge" either. Actually he doesn't call JY anything other than "HJY" or at most "JY". This is what I often think about, what if JY is just another good friend, albeit close, to ZZ? I have a friendly friend just like ZZ, equally nice and kind, attentive to everyone, there's no special treatment at all but it's very easy for one to misread that with something uniquely for him when there's no near comparison. With JY and his personality, when he lets someone into his smallest circle, to the point of declaring "I wouldn't do this and that with anyone else" that person would already be special, but ZZ is nice with almost everyone! and he has many close and good friends. It doesn't really matter much because I'm not a romantic shipper but I'd love a mutual special bond between only them. This is why I'm still bitter about all the bans, say, had they spent another month filming The Amazing Race, had a few more fashion shoots, taken a few more interviews and fanmeetings together, it would have helped their friendship (and US) tremendously. The whole thing moves so fast with so many events it's sometimes hard to think they've only known each other for 6 months by tomorrow.

    14 hours ago, ryokise said:

    > ZZ: *Read fans' comments* "Rest well" Okay,I will rest well when I have the time,*points to his dark circles* dark circles..
      A male staff: How long do you sleep recently?
      Xiao shi: 4..Not even 4 hours
      ZZ: You?
      Xiao shi: You
      ZZ: How could it be that you know my sleeping hours? Not even 4 hours..  
      Xiao shi: Through Your dark circles  
      ZZ: *Telling the other staffs* How could it be that he knows my sleeping hours?
      ZZ: You are the one who sleeps 4 hours,...I..you are quite funny.Sleep more alright? Xiao shi,Jiayou
      Xiao shi: Zhouzhou, you should eat more..
      ZZ: You should sleep more,eat more
      Xiao shi: I already..
      ZZ: And aspire to be the top of internet red (people who become famous online),Xiao shi who roars (Xiao shi's weibo name)

    (ZZ's reaction to Xiao shi talking about his sleeping hours is quite defensive here, I think he is afraid that fans will be worried about him? It's around 3.59 in this link on bilibili TV , and despite ZZ being a little agitated here, Xiao shi is still patient with ZZ and even asked him to eat more lol)

    > ZZ: *Reads fans' comments* Just exactly how long do I sleep?" Sleep..erm..I guess around 7 hours,normal sleeping hours.Anyway, I will sleep whenever there is a chance to.Grab the chance whenever there is time to sleep.No,I'm..for example now, I can sleep immediately.It's a skill that I learned recently.

    This little snippet reinforces what CJD said about him, he gets very flustered and defensive when people poke him with something sensitive, he scolds people and rambles nonsense to bury it. Here he doesn't want people to know about his short sleep time and back then it's a way for him to cope with acting intimate scenes. ZZ, whatever, sleep more ah~ (JY has a defense mechanism too, it's his weird, direct, narcissistic sense of humor, he jokes a lot between swaths of his poker face, unlike ZZ who is cheery most of the time but doesn't make that many jokes - but it's another topic for another time.)

     

    AND FINALLY OH GOD THE ALBUM TEASER :bawling:

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  6. 34 minutes ago, charlie10 said:

    I love that bit about the photoshoot! That rings true to me, I can see JY being a little detached (for whatever reason, I'm not sure shyness is right for him, reserved is better), not easily connecting to others, while ZZ is super polite and attentive to everyone. He'd definitely want to include JY, if he can. 

    I guess filming Addicted made them extremely comfortable with each other physically (disregarding all delulu-theories for a moment). They have no boundaries anymore, they know each other so well. They really were like a couple, living together. Imagine moving in with someone you never met, sleeping in the same bed. I'm still not over how drastic that is. Such an arrangement would either lead to hate or love, I say. And they don't hate each other, so... :) 

    I'm sorry I wasn't clear, it wasn't the photoshoot with Figaro, it was the Excellence Awards sponsored by Figaro, where they took a photo with Gaspard Ulliel (I literally screamed). There's the video where ZZ was all giddy and JY had his cool face on lol. They were seated together at a table (oh those were the days) and a guest working in business who happened to be a fan came and talked a bit. JY at first was reversed, yes, but eventually opened up because ZZ in the middle didn't leave him out of the conversation. They didn't know many people there (big stars, business guests) so they talked to each other. At one point, JY said he hadn't decided whether to take a role, and ZZ asked "Oh that, not yet?" like they'd talked about it before.

    I'm pretty skeptical of fan accounts and rumors (like the rumor ZZ cried backstage at Thai FM) without photos or videos but this one I believe, it's very detailed and specific.

    Actually that stretch of time was when they were around each other a lot, it was events/photoshoots/interviews non stop with both. I think they're a bit attracted to each other, not in a sexual way but probably more than platonic, like no I won't richard simmons you but I'll hold you and sleep if you ask no homo haha. Professionally speaking, arranging them to sleep on the same bed isn't necessary and from a Western view it even violates HR codes lol; but it worked out, oh how too well it worked out. Oh and ZZ was the one who suggested they slept together (I might misread this part, it was in only one interview and never mentioned again).

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  7. 1 hour ago, sixte said:

    For a first post, you did very strong and high ! You perfectly replace things where they are, with a good dose of this relative rationale I cure myself to endure the pain.

    You forgot ZZ's particular skill at knitting. And all great actors do not know knitting properly (here, Cary Grant) :
     

     

    Ah :D Aren't his personal and social skills another topic? Knitting, cooking, self-styling... the skills that are, in Asian societies, largely deemed to be essential for women to know but looked down on when boys try to learn. It's very sexist and still a prevalent view that only girls should know those skills to prepare for their families. And another proof that ZZ is very well educated with modern values. Such a good kid.

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