[variety] Global Talk Show 미녀들의 수다

[Guest cydevil]

Of course i witness it... CONSTANTLY. I live in Atlanta, majored in political science and focused my major within urban public policies and non-profit organizations, many of which deal with disadvantaged and minority groups. It's a major concern for me, and something that I hope I can focus my attention on once I receive my law degree. It definitely does reek of a straw man argument in the sense that there hasn't been any notable studies that have made a causal link or even so much as a correlation between the psychological effects of Japanese colonization to the Korean national conscience, and I certainly admit that it's largely my own personal opinion... but it's also difficult to not assume that the Koreans' fervent will to succeed is in large part a consequence of social events... notably Japanese colonization. We could try to think of other alternative causes, but barring that you won't bring in some pseudo-science biological theories, it's very difficult to think otherwise. I wrote a 30 page research paper supporting the notion that Korea's meteoric economic rise was in large part due to Japanese colonization already creating an industrial infrastructure, and I also read a great deal about the Korean response to it. Any intellectual with an objective mindset and presumably a decent background in economics shouldn't have been able to refute the numbers, but the VAST majority of Korean economists refuted the claim that there was any correlation at all. You see similar instances where kimchi and other hot foods native to Korean cuisine- often heralded as a healthy food- actually causes a very specific type of cancer, but is not only dismissed by Korean academia and the press, but downright smashed down. Sorry if my counter-responses aren't particularly cogent... I'm extremely drunk right now. I'm serious. And I was drunk when i wrote the last post as well, which brings me to the point that I didn't mean to make an assertion that Korean arrogance has any bearing on the shoddy way in which Winter's case was handled. It's just that I returned from Korea last month from meeting some friends and family. A lot of my female friends in particular have changed significantly from when i last saw them. I remember being in a cafe just drinking some coffee and having stupid conversations which is always great. But she would constantly look out the window observing people below, and commenting on how they dress strangely, and how their hair is all wrong. And when I was introduced to her friends, I wasn't introduced as "my name." I was introduced as "my name: graduate of a high ranking college, LSAT score: 17_, and headed to "ivy level" law school. My best friend was also simply referred to as the "funny guy/dental student." I just felt very objectified. My group of Korean friends from high school (5 of us in total) also include a college drop-out with several tattoos, a dental student of a state college, and a health insurance agent. She didn't even bother mentioning them. I'm sorry for ranting, but I'm still disgruntled by the bitter after-taste of Korean society right now.

God... I'm so drunk.Oh yeah, i think it's great we're having this discussion. Soompi's usually filled with posts of "he's so cute, OMG, blahblahblah." It's refreshing reading a post from someone who's clearly intelligent.I feel kinda guilty, because I'm treating 미수다 as if it's a sociological experiment in a way even though i primarily watch it cause i think the girls are cute... 리에! Oiii....

saigon, I think you are gravely overstating the consequential effects of Japanese colonization. You're also insulting a lot of Koreans by degrading their aspiring hope of making a better future for themselves and their families to a mere antipathy towards the Japanese. But I'll just refrain from making a long argument against your claims, assuming that you were too drunk to think clearly at the time.

[Guest atel]

I have many foreigner friends living in Korea and many have experience similar things..

but it's true it's not just in Korea.. foreigners in many countries experience these unfair treatment.

a couple years ago, i went to Korea with a group of friends, and a couple of them were non-Koreans,

and we got into a small accident and when we went to the hospital they wouldn't treat my non-Korean friends..

we had to contact a korean doctor who was a family friend to get them to do it,

and we had to show them that we had money to pay and stuff..

the health system in Korea is pretty messed up. even Koreans don't get treated when they look like they're poor,

or sometimes if they don't have connections.

^ So true. Uh.huh - that's why I find the recent Korean medical dramas (although more improved) rather a little out of touch of Korea's reality.

Gosh, about this show though. People/PD were saying that the show today has deviated a lot from from what it was in beginning... LOL dude when it first aired I watched like 5 min then stopped cuz I thought I got a sense of how this show was going to go eventually and sadly to say I think it has gotten there based on the comments.

[Guest cydevil]

This Domnic vs. DJ fight on DCinside, I must say, is quite enjoyable to watch, and at the same time quite sad. A lot of it is funny. But a lot of it is also cruel. I hope both Domnic and DJ don't feel hurt by some of the crap that's being said there.

[Guest jahye]

i think one of my biggest issue with the show these days is the mc.

he's totally getting horny over the bimbo acts and it's disgusting.

he's making the 수준 so low.. 완전 삼류방송쯤...

i hope they fire him soon..

And yeah.... the MC. euq. In the past when he used to make all the jokes about people complaining that he was the MC and not Yoo Jae Suk or someone else... haha. I wish that was a self-fulfilling prophecy now bleah.

You know, I never questioned Nam Hee Seok as the MC before because I thought he did a satisfactory job, but in one episode alone he managed to make me question whether he really is fit to be the MC anymore. What was up with him oggling Jamilya?? I've never seen him give that kind of attention to any panelist, at least not the kind of attention where it turned me away from the screen, because I know he has his favorites but it never bothered me that much.

I guess I can forgive and forget if he doesn't act the same way with her anymore, but if he continues to act like that.. what a disappointment! Because I remember him from his shows and sketches before 미수다 and he's actually a funny and likeable gagman/MC.

Hi Jahye! Long time no see! YES I totally find Elyzaveta adorable and an angel now. Even people I didn't really use to like particulary (meaning I was just ambivalent), people like Dina and La Risa, WOW I like them so much better now. I think its the theory of relativity THey seem to have more of a personality!

suzziee! Where you been? (Did Lobbyist bore the hell out of you too?)

You're right about the theory of relativity because now I find myself wishing they have Abigail instead of Jamilya.

Gosh, about this show though. People/PD were saying that the show today has deviated a lot from from what it was in beginning... LOL dude when it first aired I watched like 5 min then stopped cuz I thought I got a sense of how this show was going to go eventually and sadly to say I think it has gotten there based on the comments.

Well it's been 50+ episodes.. it's not like it's been terrible from beginning till now. I don't think anyone can judge a show by watching its first and latest episodes.. because there were really good episodes in between. I would say it started off rocky, trying to find its ground, but it became a really good, insightful show. I think the show was at its best when it had its original members, or "season 1" members, but a few of them left or took significant leave and new faces kept popping up every week, trying to introduce more pretty faces each week and that's where it lost it's direction I think.

And Jamilya-gate is like one of the biggest issues in recent episodes.. it definitely generated a lot of discussion here. I've never seen one member bring so much controversy in just one episode.

[Guest saigon]

You know what? I felt the same way. I remember watching Nam Hee Seok since I was a kid in jr. high, and I thought he was great, but this one show with Jamelia made him look like a pervert, and even worse, unprofessional. I guess it was supposed to come off as being funny, but he was just perceived in a strange light. The strange thing is that if Yoo Jae Suk was the MC, he probably would have been able to pull off the "funny" bit instead of looking perverted (case in point: MC Yoo's long-running gag of porno tapes). I guess it's because Nam's married that viewers are judging him more critically. It's not that i don't like him; it was just a bit disturbing to watch. Seriously though, Jamelia's not even that hot. The way NHS was acting, you would think Adriana Lima walked in. I just don't like how stupid he acted. Didn't he realize that his actions were polarizing the audience, and making many of them feel uber-uncomfortable.

saigon, I think you are gravely overstating the consequential effects of Japanese colonization. You're also insulting a lot of Koreans by degrading their aspiring hope of making a better future for themselves and their families to a mere antipathy towards the Japanese. But I'll just refrain from making a long argument against your claims, assuming that you were too drunk to think clearly at the time.

LOL, i was too drunk at the time, and i do wish to take back some of my arguments, but you're making it sound as if i made the argument that Japanese colonization was the sole and/or primary reason for Korea's "will to succeed." I simply said that i thought it was a major reason among many other major reasons. You're not seriously going to tell me that Koreans have a rabid almost inexplicable rivalry against the Japanese for any other reason right? It's something so obvious in Korea it doesn't even really need to be discussed. It was even touched upon in 미수다, when one of the guests said that "even if the result is irrelevant in terms of playoff entrance, WE have to win against Japan." I even recall a poll conducted by one of the major Korean publications that asked what Koreans feel most guilty about, and the answer was "that i wish we could just bomb Japan even though I know it's wrong." That was about 3-4 years back. I remember it particularly because they had a less formal poll done by 야심만만 (강호동's show) where the topic of the day was "what i do feel most guilty about."

And sorry to everyone for even bringing up this topic. I honestly can't even recall why I brought up Japan in the first place. I promise I won't bring in tangential topics to this thread again. Also, in retrospect, I sounded pretty arrogant in that post... my bad. Oh yeah, and I hope you realize I'm Korean, and I'm not simply hating on an entire ethnicity. just making a critical observation of what i felt and saw there. I love my people and am proud of my Korean heritage, which is why I'm more disturbed by what i saw, and i guess that it's affecting my logic. My id name's just saigon, cause i was listening to the rapper saigon at the time.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Could you possibly provide a link to the DCinside "debate(?)" in question?

[Guest Chae]

I don't know about the DCinside fight or whatever, but I heard about many people that the "gall" is full of people laughing about us and stuff...I've never been there actually ^^;;

People misunderstood...Its not just about Jamelia, its all about the white girl image that I don't want anybody to perpetuate. Its just, we are fighting for that everyday! I've had a lot of problem with guys thinking we are easy!...so if anybody acts like they're easy, it bothers me, of course!

[Guest cydevil]

LOL, i was too drunk at the time, and i do wish to take back some of my arguments, but you're making it sound as if i made the argument that Japanese colonization was the sole and/or primary reason for Korea's "will to succeed." I simply said that i thought it was a major reason among many other major reasons. You're not seriously going to tell me that Koreans have a rabid almost inexplicable rivalry against the Japanese for any other reason right? It's something so obvious in Korea it doesn't even really need to be discussed. It was even touched upon in 미수다, when one of the guests said that "even if the result is irrelevant in terms of playoff entrance, WE have to win against Japan." I even recall a poll conducted by one of the major Korean publications that asked what Koreans feel most guilty about, and the answer was "that i wish we could just bomb Japan even though I know it's wrong." That was about 3-4 years back. I remember it particularly because they had a less formal poll done by 야심만만 (강호동's show) where the topic of the day was "what i do feel most guilty about."

And sorry to everyone for even bringing up this topic. I honestly can't even recall why I brought up Japan in the first place. I promise I won't bring in tangential topics to this thread again. Also, in retrospect, I sounded pretty arrogant in that post... my bad. Oh yeah, and I hope you realize I'm Korean, and I'm not simply hating on an entire ethnicity. just making a critical observation of what i felt and saw there. I love my people and am proud of my Korean heritage, which is why I'm more disturbed by what i saw, and i guess that it's affecting my logic. My id name's just saigon, cause i was listening to the rapper saigon at the time.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Could you possibly provide a link to the DCinside "debate(?)" in question?

Hmm... I do agree that Japanese colonization contributed to modernization of Korea, but I don't believe it was a significant cultural factor in Korean economic development. The most significant Japanese contribution to South Korean economic development was probably the compensation for colonization which partially funded the early development of Korean industries and infrastructure(e.g. Pohang Steel and Kyungbu Expressway). Anyways, I believe the main disagreement here is whether culture or ideologies can influence work performance. I believe this is a very complex issue, and this is definitely not the place to discuss about it.

[Guest cydevil]

Can anyone enlighten me on what's going on there? Why are they fighting about Dominique and Jamilya?

Eh, it's not that serious. Most of them are just doing it for the laugh.

[Guest cydevil]

edit: I tried linking a UCC clip about Winter.. but nevermind the link got broken.

[Guest atel]

Well it's been 50+ episodes.. it's not like it's been terrible from beginning till now. I don't think anyone can judge a show by watching its first and latest episodes.. because there were really good episodes in between. I would say it started off rocky, trying to find its ground, but it became a really good, insightful show. I think the show was at its best when it had its original members, or "season 1" members, but a few of them left or took significant leave and new faces kept popping up every week, trying to introduce more pretty faces each week and that's where it lost it's direction I think.

lol i guess you got me there. you're right. to be fair you can't really judge the show without looking at its entirety. but still this being a variety show, not a drama, so a couple episodes was enough to make me not want to watch it. i appreciated the premise of the show, but still for me... eh, i guess to each his own.

[happyboy]

Of course i witness it... CONSTANTLY. I live in Atlanta, majored in political science and focused my major within urban public policies and non-profit organizations, many of which deal with disadvantaged and minority groups. It's a major concern for me, and something that I hope I can focus my attention on once I receive my law degree. It definitely does reek of a straw man argument in the sense that there hasn't been any notable studies that have made a causal link or even so much as a correlation between the psychological effects of Japanese colonization to the Korean national conscience, and I certainly admit that it's largely my own personal opinion... but it's also difficult to not assume that the Koreans' fervent will to succeed is in large part a consequence of social events... notably Japanese colonization.

LOL. You might have been better served to have taken a class or 2 on East Asian history then you wouldn't have to be pulling theories out of your richard simmons based on snippets you read on soompi about the economic or political development of Korea. Maybe an economics class or two? No economists in the US, Korea or Japan take seriously that the development of South Korea is causally related to Japanese colonization, any more than the economic development of modern Guangdong is indebted to Japanese industrialization of Manchuria 80 years ago. Almost the entirety of Japanese infrastructure in Korea was concentrated in the industrialized North near Manchuria for war efforts, and 95% of that was destroyed by Allied bombing in the '50s. Most of South Korea including swathes of Cholla (SW Korea) wasn't even connected by rail lines. Lol, just lol.

Relating Korean "will to succeed" to over-compensation for having been colonized by Japan? LMAO that's a new one. Korean culture predates Japanese national identity by 2500 years, Japan didn't even establish hegemony over their main island of Honshu until the 19th century. You're telling me that Korean national character which goes back 1000 years before Christ was created in 1911 by the Japanese? For an encore, try hitting a Synagogue and tell the the Jews there (whose timeframe as a people rivals Koreans) that their national identity was created by Hitler circa 1935. Just be sure to preface it by telling them it's not really based on anything just "largely personal opinion" but that you wrote a paper on it for school. That way no matter how uniformed you are, they wont think you're stupid? (Nm scratch that it'll still be obvious)

Not to spoil your fun as the "one korean kid who knows the truth about korea" (there's like 2 of those kids in every Freshman class and not to be confused with "the one Korean kid who wont date koreans" or "korean kid who doesn't like korean food") but the impetus for the modern development of both Korea and Japan is the Cold War. By the numbers you can directly correlate the re-emergence of industrialized Japan to American policy to buttress Japan as a counterweight in Asia against the projection of Communist power in the region (for fun you can look up the importance of the black market after WWII in shaping the Japanese economy). In Korea, competition with the North (which was more rapidly developed economically than the South until about 30 years ago) shaped economic priorities under the Park administration which allowed Korea to industrialize efficiently. And threat of war allowed for a level of political and social stability which basically is impossible today. Dont be a retard, ask your grandmother why she worked so hard in the 60s and 70s... she'll tell you it's because every day war sirens went off in the city, every 6 months people in the countryside would see North Korean commandos walking around, and because life was generally hard and no one knew if they were going to make it, or if Korea as a country would even survive. Japan had nothing to do with it.

Again not to come down hard on you but what you wrote is retarded and unoriginal.. you might as well have wasted 2 weeks of your life exploring the deep cultural and socio-economic basis of Asian girls dating white guys (QQ emo) for 30 pages. God bless the TA who graded your paper who'll never get those minutes of his life back again

[Guest dramaok]

the dominique vs. djamilya thing in 미수다 gall..

basically we know a lotta ppl are fans of djamilya right?

she's a goddess who is forgiven for all her sins since she's so beautiful.. blah blah..

so someone from the gall i think went around cyworld and also here at soompi,

cut and pasted and translated the english comments into butchered korean,

and sometimes misquoting the lines here and there and set up this big dominique vs. djamilya thing..

saying dominique doesn't like djamilya because she is jealoused blah blah..

and the whole thing just got out of hand and there's all these ppl writing negative things about the girls.

without knowing where the source is just kinda blind-following.. you know.. well i heard.. xxxx... so xxxx...

but there are many supporters of dominique too saying what she said was totally true, that ppl should pay more attention to the winter story.

but most ppl just like to make nasty remarks because they think it's fun you know..

and it's not just dominuque though she got most of the earlier crap. a lotta ppl said some stuff about the other panels reactions,

like annabelle giving looks and whatnot. and someone rumored that there was a fight between djamilya and some of the girls before the show taping or something..

but now it's calmed down.. though someone i think contacted the media about it, and low and behold there's a newarticle today on naver, i think by newsen saying 'winter story should be more focused than djamilya wondergirl dance'.. something like that..

they didn't mention any names of the other girls..

so ya it's like totally calm now but ppl do say some pretty nasty groundless things..

it's a tough world isn't it. must be really hard to be celebrity who has an opinion about right and wrong.

they've sort of moved on and now ppl are talking about sunyao publishing book and whatnot.

i don't hate djamilya either. i just think she's like a clown act who's trying to be a one-act thing..

but whatever if that will make her succeed go for it, however i am pretty disgusted by the way the mc and the editors, pd are handling it.

totally just giving the floor to one or two girls who are just out to be sexy and cute doing their girly charms, but adding nothing to the content. total disrespect for other panels, but it's the survivor of the fittest.. i guess and it's a business.. and controversy draws ratings, and ratings draw adverstisement money, which pays for more show, etc. etc... so ya..

i just want to move on and i want to hear more from catherine and dina, and where is lu.. etc..

and please.. do keep the political discussion out of here.

[Guest suzziee]

^ thanks mic dcgall is like way too scattered for me to want to go in, plus what with all the untruths flying here and there.... and people saying nasty things.... eug I try to stay away.

suzziee! Where you been? (Did Lobbyist bore the hell out of you too?)

You're right about the theory of relativity because now I find myself wishing they have Abigail instead of Jamilya.

I better not try to bash Lobbyist too much because I don't want to find myself ranting on actors I like... (and cos dramaok lurks here too heehee) Well I stopped because... I wanted to like them still. And speaking of the theory of relativity....

I went to rewatch some of the earlier episodes and yah, sigh, the show has sure come a looong way. See, now I'm starting to feel old, missing the good old days. I'll be honest, the member I couldnt feel anything for in "Season 1" was Saori (not the Sayuri now, but the one who left to be a singer) because she got on my nerves for being toooooo cutesy, I remembered literally cringing when they made her read out the topic for the day and they would all laugh over her distinctive voice, but even that, it seems, is a far cry from some of the panelists of today.

But seriously- do people REALLY like to watch these people bimbo it up? I mean, abit of bimbo is fine, its cute and funny, but like OVERKILL?!?! I mean, do girls like this stuff? Or are guys the only ones that are causing the ratings to go up, up and up?

Well thats my rant. And uh, I guess we wait in breathless anticipation for the next segment.

[mommie Alice]

When I first started watching the show, I was facinated by few who spoke better Korean than me like Taru, Leslie, Luvada, and Dominque. As I continue watching the show, I learned alot about Korea (since it's been over 35 years since I left). Now it turned into "bimbo" personal talk show.

I really hope the show changes back like it used to be!

[Guest justitiaomnibus]

I agree with dramaok about the show being mismanaged... FYI, at first, I stopped watching the last episode right after djamilya started dancing in absolute disgust. I've managed to watch it just yesterday, by skipping the dance part, to see what all this ruckus is about. It's not that I don't find her attractive.. I mean, she's hot as hell, but I didn't like the way they objectified her, which I believe was irrelevant to the show concept. Then again, I find their desperation for more ratings quite understandable.. afterall, it's show business not show charity.

And about dominique vs. djamilya thing, it's easier for people to blame dominique than djamilya because the fact is that dominique "started" it.. and I'd agree with most of them that calling it an "erotic dance" was... not very thoughtful to say the least. But she's young and we all make mistakes and learn from them. And many of those(not all) at DCInside bashing dominique are just downright cruel, stupid and immature, behaving like chodings in bad need of gyenyum.

And to go further on the show in general.. they always have these parts where the girls dance with the guest panel or try to make some kind of a "romance" thing going on... and I always skip those parts in disgust. I know it's a pretty common theme in Korean variety shows such as X-man but I don't think it's working well with GTS because it's a different kind of variety show. It's more serious than shows that are merely made for good laugh, and the girls aren't established celebrities. Which means that, they are, in their own right, guests to the show as well. In other words, the show seems to be veering off from what it is supposed to be, becoming more and more of a for-a-good-laugh variety show where celebrities get humiliated or fascinate viewers with sexy dancing or some kind of "love interests" between themselves. The management should decide where they'll take the show once and for all instead of making cheap stunts which are not only irrelevant to what is supposed to be the original show concept, but also can be considered vulgar, or offensive even, to some people. So I believe dominique's criticism towards the show had good intentions and I agree with her.. but I guess she didn't anticipate the real cruelties of the mob. And she was very brave to point that out albeit the ill choice of words.. but sometimes brave people get burned on the stake by the Mob Almighty.

[Guest dj agarde]

lots of misinterpretation going on about nam hee seok, djamilya and the show, i'm afraid. and lots of 'much ado about nothing.'

the only issue that needs to be addressed is: what are koreans (not the average cho on the streets) going to do now about winter?

we can't judge from popular response. we expect it to tend in the direction of vulgar and cheap. this is the universal characteristic about mass media consumption, taste, or whatever you want to call it.

we can and should, however, expect those in higher position to repond differently. -- but i'm not feeling optimistic.

[Guest jazzler]

I somehow missed some of the uproar but I have been surfing cys of some of the members and watched the video on daum. I am surprised that the PD and the management even allowed mention of Winter's assault on the show. Koreans are so whitewashed and sanitized about their pop culture. The idea that they might allow something to damaging to their reputation is almost refreshing. But will that change the way people are treated in hospitals? By the police? Will it lead to systematic changes in the law? Will it change their notions of acceptable violence? Korea seems to tolerate a far higher level of violence, all laws banning things like corporeal punishment in school aside. Poor Dominique. I think it was only a matter of time before netizen hating would begin ;_; 힘내세요, Dominique-씨! (Stay strong I guess is how you'd translate that XD) 솔칙히 내숭떤사람 싫어요.

[Guest cydevil]

jazzler, women getting robbed or sexually assaulted in one room apartments already became a public issue. Particularly prominent cases were the "Barbari cases" where serial robbers/rapists targeted women living alone in one room apartments throughout Korea. Korea is relatively a safe place, but violent crime have been rising steadily for the last 30 years. The criminal justice community knows this and policies are being discussed.

I think what makes Winter's case special is that, according to her claims, the law enforcement responded late and the hospital staff mistreated her. I believe she's doing Korean society much good by trying to bring these problems to the public. Her case got a few news reports, and hopefully, the controversy will spread gradually in time until it gets prominent enough to actually impact the criminal justice community.

[dreamweaver]

wow, i had no idea there's been such controversy over this show lately.

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[Guest dj agarde]

I enjoyed this week's show. Sophia's parents were in attendance.

What happened to Luvada, though? She's rarely ever on the show anymore.