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question is, why even have Joey Crawford officiate this game? Why even have the opportunity for fans and players to start questioning? Why even leave room for doubt?

This is the playoffs, there is doubt where there is no doubt.

mini cooper happens. Spurs lost.

“That play was not where the game was lost,” Barry said. (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketb...4.377f13aa.html)

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Floppers will now be fined. hahahaha

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?i...e=ESPNHeadlines

The NBA announced to its teams this week at its annual pre-draft camp that fines will be imposed on players starting next season for clear cases of "flopping," ESPN.com has learned.

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The Cavs' Anderson Varejao, left, may be fined next season if his actions are found to be a clear case of flopping.

The league office has yet to determine exact fine amounts for offending flops and how fines might escalate for repeat offenders, but in-game arena observers and video reviewers will be instructed to report instances of theatrical flopping for potential punishment as part of postgame reports on officiating and other matters.

The league's pledge to crack down on flopping was conveyed to team representatives at Tuesday's competition committee meeting in Orlando.

NBA executive vice president of basketball operations Stu Jackson confirmed the new policy Wednesday night saying: "What was clearly expressed to the committee is that we would begin imposing fines next season for the most egregious type of flops. When players are taking a dive, for lack of a better term."

Because a precise penalty system has not yet been structured, it is not yet known whether serial floppers will be subject to possible suspensions after a certain number of fines for flopping, as seen with the league's protocol on technical fouls. Players who accrue 16 technicals during the regular season are hit with a one-game suspension when they get to No. 16 -- the limit is seven technicals during the playoffs -- and receive one-game suspensions for every other technical thereafter (No. 18, 20, etc.).

Detroit's Rasheed Wallace, a player who has 15 technicals this season and has been suspended in the past for being over the limit for technicals, gave his opinion of floppers after the Pistons' 106-102 loss to the Boston Celtics in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference finals on Wednesday.

"All that bull(bleep)-richard simmons calls they had out there. With Mike [Callahan] and Kenny [Mauer] -- you've all seen that (bleep). You saw them calls. The cats are flopping all over the floor and they're calling that (bleep). That (bleep) ain't basketball out there. It's all (bleeping) entertainment. You all should know that (bleep). It's all (bleeping) entertainment."

In other Orlando business:

• The competition committee considered changes to both the current playoff seeding format as well as the format for the draft lottery but ruled against recommending alterations to either.

Both subjects will be discussed again at the next Board of Governors meeting in October, but changes typically aren't made by team owners at those meetings without a prior recommendation from the competition committee.

After another season of great imbalance between teams in the West and East, league officials agreed in April to consider changes that could be implemented in time for next season's playoffs. But NBA commissioner David Stern said from the start that "it's unlikely anything will happen."

The current system sends the top eight teams in each conference to the postseason. That excluded No. 9 Golden State in the West in spite of the Warriors' 48-win season and forced two 55-win perennial powers -- San Antonio and Phoenix -- to meet in the first round.

The West's dominance -- and the fact that only three teams in the East (Boston, Detroit and Orlando) had a higher win total than Golden State -- led to a new round of calls for re-seeding after each round of the playoffs as seen in other major professional team sports, or even sending the teams with the best 16 records to the playoffs irrespective of conference.

But Stern has long maintained that re-seeding is "very difficult when you have the television obligations that we have" because the league's TV partners (ESPN and TNT) would then be required "to wait for every series that can affect the re-seeding to be over." The commissioner has also said that he's comfortable with the idea of a lower seed inheriting the playoff path of a higher seed if it can win a seven-game series.

There is also naturally considerable opposition from teams in the East to sending the clubs with the 16 best records to the playoffs. The current format enabled several sub-.500 teams this season -- such as Indiana, New Jersey and Chicago -- to stay in playoff contention well into April, giving them something to sell to their fan bases in spite of sub-par records and constant reminders from the media about the West's superior depth.

Making overall record its primary playoff consideration would also likely force the league to change the format of its entire regular-season schedule. West teams would have a valid complaint if the 16-team playoff field was determined strictly by record and East teams retained the advantage of playing 52 games against other East teams and only 30 against West teams.

There was likewise no consensus reached by committee members on tweaking the draft lottery. Grumblings about the current system have grown louder with Chicago (ninth-worst record in the league) and Portland (sixth-worst record in 2006-07) winning the past two lotteries, but Stern is said to be strongly against any lottery changes.

• As Stern promised earlier this month, changes were considered by the committee to the league's rules regarding intentional fouling away from the ball, which is more commonly known as the Hack-A-Shaq strategy.

Yet it appears that Hack-A-Shaq will be back next season, too.

Stern himself has said he doesn't like "the idea that [players can say], 'Hey, look at me, I'm going to hit this guy as soon as the ball goes into play, even though he's standing under the other basket.' "

San Antonio made extensive use of the Hack-A-Shaq tactic in its first-round series with Phoenix after Spurs coach Gregg Popovich had shunned the strategy for years. The Suns later conceded that the strategy not only took advantage of Shaquille O'Neal's poor foul shooting -- he missed half of his 64 free-throw attempts in the series -- but also frequently interrupted their offensive flow.

Such intentional fouling is legal until the final two minutes of regulation or any overtime, when intentional fouls result in one free throw and the team whose player was fouled retaining possession.

"We had a pretty spirited discussion on the subject and we talked prospectively about how we might change it," Jackson said, declining to elaborate on the potential alterations.

"But in the end, there wasn't enough support to change it. ... There was a feeling that by changing the rule you would be essentially rewarding a player for a lack of skill by allowing him to stay in the game."

• The committee had extensive discussions about expanding the use of instant replay for next season and voted to recommend a proposal which calls for the use of replay to assist referees in determining whether a basket or a shot on which a player is fouled is taken from behind the 3-point line.

The committee, as expected, is also backing the league's wish to use instant replay to resolve discrepancies on clock malfunctions, after a major clock issue during the Detroit-Orlando series in the second round.

The league was forced to admit earlier this month that a 3-pointer made by the Pistons' Chauncey Billups at the end of the third quarter of Game 2 against Orlando should not have counted. There were 5.1 seconds remaining in the quarter when the ball was inbounded, but the clock froze at 4.8 seconds as Billups dribbled into the frontcourt. The whole play actually consumed 5.7 seconds, meaning that the buzzer should have sounded before Billups' shot went up, but the play was not reviewable under current rules. Referees are presently allowed to use instant replay only to rule whether a shot goes in before the end-of-quarter clock expires.

"We still need to refine the procedures involved, but it's expected that Board of Governors will vote on those proposals [in October]," Jackson said.

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Bad officiating...well more like crooked official(s)...robbed the Suns of going to the Finals last year. Who was the opposing team?? Karma is a ....

On to better things...all I gotta say is "Welcome back Mr. Ray Allen." I totally missed that crazy tre by KG. Gotta catch that on the highlight reels.

EDIT: KG...sweeeeeettttt...off the glass.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080529/ap_on_...bkn_nba_no_foul

According to the article, the foul SHOULD'VE BEEN CALLED that day...

Oh well.

the league is a JOKE!.. it certainly doesnt help when the media got their hate googles on. Ive read soo.. many bias reports about the incident. It's sad that most people get their information from wack writers and BSPN.

how come this didnt get much attention?

(i even hate lebron..)

People just be trying to take the Lakers down

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wow, resonate is asking for it.

mod please do something. since i use lo fi version i can't ignore him...

yo re. i agree with you on people trying to take the lakers down.

that's the price they pay for being the highest rated team and most popular.

anyways, lakers shouldn't feel too confident

they need to play tonight's game as if it were their last!

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wow, resonate is asking for it.

mod please do something. since i use lo fi version i can't ignore him...

yo re. i agree with you on people trying to take the lakers down.

that's the price they pay for being the highest rated team and most popular.

anyways, lakers shouldn't feel too confident

they need to play tonight's game as if it were their last!

Uh huh man.........................

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o man this thread is painful to read... cindy's words look like bunch of curves!

so painful~~~~~ AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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Bad officiating...well more like crooked official(s)...robbed the Suns of going to the Finals last year. Who was the opposing team?? Karma is a ....

On to better things...all I gotta say is "Welcome back Mr. Ray Allen." I totally missed that crazy tre by KG. Gotta catch that on the highlight reels.

EDIT: KG...sweeeeeettttt...off the glass.

Only crooked official hands down is Tim Donaghy. I wouldn't blame the officiating completely for the Suns' demise last year... more like Stern and Stu.

Every other ref besides Bavetta is just stupid, and possibly speculated for rigging the game. I mean, who can really blame the fans anymore? Joey Crawford isn't crooked, he's just deprived of love.

At the end of the day, it's always David Stern's and his pet Stu Jackson's fault.

wow, resonate is asking for it.

mod please do something. since i use lo fi version i can't ignore him...

yo re. i agree with you on people trying to take the lakers down.

that's the price they pay for being the highest rated team and most popular.

anyways, lakers shouldn't feel too confident

they need to play tonight's game as if it were their last!

What's wrong with sitting on the other side of the fence? No one's ever doubted the talent the Lakers have, they just question the integrity of the league's offices. With the Tim Donaghy issues, Joey Crawford's misconducts as a referee, and a series of bad calls in the past for many teams, I myself can never come to trust officiating and governing of the NBA anymore. The replays don't lie for some of the obvious bad calls but the refs still ignore it. It don't matter how good you actually are, criticism's always gonna be attracted if there's too much boasting going around -> Gilbert, Iverson, Reggie Miller, Larry Bird. It's everyone's duty as a fan to stand up for your team but also digest other views properly.

Unrelated to the Lakers/Spurs cause but:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVnZWQJ1x3g <- Their excuse: "We didn't see the basket go in."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiHmLowo-0A <- The refs already reviewed the last play to see if it was good, they failed to notice/admit someone started the clock early before Ford touched the ball.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DE_n83BNNkE <- He clearly was trying to block the ball, if you make the play on the ball, there's no way it should be an ejection.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oIQRCVSHzgA <- They miss Carter slapping him first, they fail to notice it was a joke, they ignored Vince when he even pleaded for Peterson that he shouldn't be ejected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM <- Lmfao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjsFu882zks <- Err. I think Laker fans are with me on this one, considering how soft Gasol plays defensively.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZEYBp1O4ks8 <- I'll agree that this was a flagrant 1, but Bob Delaney was already trying to eject him until everyone else shut him up.

There's enough BS calls right there. If it's not the integrity of the NBA officiating questioned, its their intelligence.

But anyway, the whole anit-flopping movement sounds rather amusing. Can't wait for David Stern to try and justify differences between flopping and actual charges.

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This is it, just need to keep doing what we're doing, and we'll be in the Finals. The Spurs will not go down without a fight, though, this could turn ugly.

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"WE WANT BOSTON!"

damn lakers win again. friggen rigged NBA making things so predictable.

Spoiler: Boston will win because they will create the higher tv rating compared to the Pistons!

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Insaaaaane.

I missed the ENTIRE game because I was at an awards ceremony. I turned on my radio as soon as I got into my car. And boy, was I ever happy.

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