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[Drama 2021] Bossam: Steal the Fate, 보쌈 - 운명을 훔치다


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3 hours ago, ktcjdrama said:

I love that the drama starts and end with what the title "steal the fate" says. They decide their own fate when circumstances dictate otherwise. One minute I was like "Noooo..." and the next minute I was laughing when BW came into the room with his mask, and this time with a side-kick too

yes I enjoyed they came full circle and this time, even chadol was part of the bossam. :D

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the story starts with a bossam by accident where neither bawoo or the princess were keen. bawoo reluctantly does it for money while the princess has no choice. in the end, we have bossam by intent where both of them want this life together. am glad the noble idiocy only lasted a few minutes. well maybe it wasn't noble idiocy but practicality level headedness from the princess; she was the daughter of an ousted king and he was the nephew of the queen dowager. politically it could be a mess but bawoo was never one for power or politics. he was always about staying alive for the day and protecting those he loves. she was his to protect and love and he never changed once he set his heart on her. this time, they were making their own fate like you said. :wub:

 

On 7/4/2021 at 9:46 PM, andy78 said:

There is a minor character that i loved in today ep :the royal guard ,the way he protected his king until his very last breath...he truly was king's man!!!

yes he was fantastic! it is such a throwback to a time where loyalty meant everything. in many ways, he was our OTP shipper and cheering them on whenever he could. was it because he saw their story from the beginning and he too got invested? :D 

 

On 7/4/2021 at 6:36 PM, pad-hari said:

For political thingy its a super good ending but for our OTP I can say it's a very very sloppy and rushed ending even though it's a HEA.  It would have been great if atleast they had given us one super kiss of OTP. 

yea after watching the episode, I felt it really wrapped up well. I actually have to laugh that we didn't even get a single kiss not even a peck. the PD and writer are seriously bold to go that route in this day. :lol: imagine pitching this to the station -- no, we are not giving you a single kiss or skinship! bwahahahah...  the PD and writer really seemed to have a very clear goal and vision for the drama from the start and never deviated. it is actually really bold that rather than pander to all sorts of trends in the current modern saeguks, they decided to do a saeguk in the old fashioned mould. no weird modern behaviours or antics. no modernization of characters and no skinship for the sake of it. this is the kind of saeguk that used to exist many years ago where the storytelling focused on characterization and growth.

 

they seemed to know their target audience which is an older group and they had a clear vision for it. the younger audience may require skinship but folks in my parents generation would absolutely enjoy a saeguk like this as it has everything they would like -- intrigue, personal relationships, politics, hard questions... it is the sort of drama that multiple generations can sit and watch together without being embarrassed. :D 

 

this kind of saeguk also requires a lot more from their actors. if you are not going to sell the chemistry based on kisses every episode, then you have to do it with eyes, expressions, feelings. from that perspective, both il woo and yuri hit it out of the park. also loved that we are getting very mature characters here -- the princess is bold, cheerful and strong. bawoo is incredibly pragmatic, loyal and clear headed. these are not characters who are waffling, having random temper tauntrums or annoying us with petty behaviour -- can you tell that I am bored by the modern rom-coms? hahahaha....

 

it is fantastic to see characters who are so level headed -- in other dramas, that might be boring trait but here it makes all of them so dynamic. the princess is so bold that she can clearly see the bigger picture; even when bawoo hesitates for the coup, she outlines why it is best and why he should proceed. the princess loved with her heart those around her and she was willing to let go of court lady for her own happiness. because she knew how fleeting and how sweet the love of a husband could be, she didn't want court lady to sacrifice for herself. what a princess! bawoo never gets bitten by the power bug -- he is always motivated by family and he stays the course. 

 

while the politics was a bit of a bore to be honest, it really sits well within the vision of PD and writer. they set out to make a love story about small people caught in the storm of politics caused by bigger people. that aspect stayed the same from the beginning. it was interesting in some ways to see a king at the end of his reign who has become rather bitter as well as tired of his job. when I first read that he was exiled, it seemed odd as most ousted kings lose their heads. so the way the drama explains how some of the politics could have happened, we see that history can often be more complex. so while this drama is fictitious, can totally buy that there was a hidden princess and bawoo who were forgotten away by history. after all, history is written by the winners. 

 

so we get this beautiful cinematic ending that feels satisfying. they fought to be together with a clarity of purpose. now they walk side by side onwards as a team, a couple and family. 

 

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Omo...that scene between DY and the princess when they were in Lady Jo's room...

Although he was wounded, he cried only because of her words.

I think he cried because of his youth and his unfulfilled dream.

 

 

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they always come up with a good plan..   

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2 hours ago, Lmangla said:

 

POLL ALERT! have set up a poll about the ending and series overall. please click your choices.  

i voted for the last time...thanks for calling me...was great watching this drama with you my friends...

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18 hours ago, Lmangla said:

 I actually have to laugh that we didn't even get a single kiss not even a peck. the PD and writer are seriously bold to go that route in this day. :lol: imagine pitching this to the station -- no, we are not giving you a single kiss or skinship! bwahahahah...  the PD and writer really seemed to have a very clear goal and vision for the drama from the start and never deviated. no weird modern behaviours or antics.

 

this is the kind of saeguk that used to exist many years ago where the storytelling focused on characterization and growth.

 

they seemed to know their target audience which is an older group and they had a clear vision for it. the younger audience may require skinship but folks in my parents generation would absolutely enjoy a saeguk like this as it has everything they would like -- intrigue, personal relationships, politics, hard questions... it is the sort of drama that multiple generations can sit and watch together without being embarrassed. :D 

 

this kind of saeguk also requires a lot more from their actors. if you are not going to sell the chemistry based on kisses every episode, then you have to do it with eyes, expressions, feelings. from that perspective, both il woo and yuri hit it out of the park. also loved that we are getting very mature characters here -- the princess is bold, cheerful and strong. bawoo is incredibly pragmatic, loyal and clear headed. these are not characters who are waffling, having random temper tauntrums or annoying us with petty behaviour -- can you tell that I am bored by the modern rom-coms? hahahaha....

 

I read this comment with interest and immediatedly thought of the new hyped? drama, Neverthless- yes, i dont know who the new couple are, and whats with their popularity....but so much kisses and touches in the drama but no story. I didnt understand how people would watch such drama, all 16 episodes (edit...i found out its 10 actually, hehe) - i saw the 1st episode and it was just too slow -  then i read the previews and it sound like soft porn in the making, hehehhee.. and decided not to continue. Read the ratings of the 3rd episode dropped again, that shows the drama is in trouble. 

 

I read in other comments that its usually one of the actors who, from the start have informed the director that he or she doesnt want kisses in the drama, as the person either already has a significant half and doesnt want to do any skinship to respect their real-life partner.  I know Il-woo can kiss, so it must have been Yuri, who looked more conservative? Then the comments said thats not being professional... which reminded me of how Hyeri had memorable kisses with Jang Kiyong in My Roomate is a Gumiho, despite having a boyfriend, Ryu Jun Yeol. Their drama promotion pictures are on fire and their touchy2 behaviour caught many fans by surprise, eager for more:lol:

 

Normally i like saeguk and i liked Il-woo but the storyline doesnt seemed to grab me...  hence i didnt continue with it... i guess im still part of the ^young^ generation:D

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8 hours ago, rocher22 said:

 

I dont like the ending for DY.

I wanted him and his mother to start a new life.

 

Me too. His death was so unnecessary... why not just heavily injured? But I guess it is needed to show a little bit of heart from LYC when he thanked BW for burying DY’s body? We don’t need to see that. Poor aunt, to have her husband and only child killed by her only brother.

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12 hours ago, realistic2280a said:

I read in other comments that its usually one of the actors who, from the start have informed the director that he or she doesnt want kisses in the drama, as the person either already has a significant half and doesnt want to do any skinship to respect their real-life partner

kekeke...I have watched dramas/movies (from different countries) where the actors won't do kisses for whatever reason. sometimes it could be the broadcasting authority are very strict when it comes to displays. the PDs in those cases cheat -- they usually have a shot of the actors leaning in and then the camera discreetly moves to something else in the room with a smudge. or they will have the actor leaning in and the camera then shifts the angle to the back of his head. so we don't really see them kiss but the audience assumes that it happened. so there are different camera shots that PD can use to cheat if required. so I don't think it was the actors themselves who objected -- have seen BTS, photoshoot (cosmpolitan magazine photospread has a subtle sizzle) and interviews of the actors and this seems to be a crew that is at ease with each other and really gets along. they seemed to enjoy filming together. :)

 

I really do think the lack of kiss is because the writer and PD had a very different vision for this drama. they set out to make a saeguk for the 10th anniversary in the mould of classic saeguks like 'emperor of the sea', 'queen seon deok'. they wanted to do a mature love story with mature characters. I have seen those older classic saeguks and nothing happens in those dramas -- sometimes not even a kiss. so bossam falls in that category.

 

in the scheme of a typical drama, the kiss is a kind of turning point where the characters acknowledge they are physically as well as emotionally attracted to each other. in a typical drama, the literary question/conflict that drives the story is will these fall in love. like I mentioned in another post, there was never a question about whether these two will fall in love. instead the question was far more serious -- will they survive? do they have the will power to push through and live when there is so much adversity around them?

 

one of the early turning points was when bawoo rescues her but asks a question "do you want to live?" and she affirms it -- from that moment, it became far more serious between the two. he was going to protect her and she was accepting his protection freely. there was a subtle shift in the relationship and they became more of a couple from then on.

 

rather than a kiss, we had a emotional moment where the princess called out "ba-woo-ya" -- my heart just stopped watching that scene. it was so soulful and so sad that I re-watched it several times. you could tell how she felt about him in that moment and all she said was his name.

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a favourite OTP scene for many here (according to poll) was when she met him in jail and cried and caressed his face. it showed without words how these two felt about each other. there was no confession but their tears said it all.  I think those two scenes really acted as turning points instead of a kiss for the relationship of these two -- the audience didn't need a kiss to know how these two felt. we understood how deep their love was for each other. so a very different kind of love story in that sense and there were several OTP moments that felt very fresh and different. rather than grand confession of love, something the OTP repeatedly say to each other is more on the lines of "stay alive", "I will come back to you".....

 

so perhaps, the PD and writer thought inserting a kiss would have lessened or reduced the deep love feel or the kind of love story they wanted to tell. that said, I would have totally loved to see a kiss on the forehead or even the hands. hahahaha... but yea, the drama reminds me of classical black and white movies especially set around WWII where I have swooned even though nothing happens...  not for everyone but some of us love those kind of stories. :)

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@Lmangla... thanks for the reply...

 

Aigooo.. Queen Seon Duk... oh my heart... Bidammmmmmm..... i just feel sad for the Queen, he shouldnt have died... ughhhh... bring bk sad memories of his death.. sigh...

 

Hmm.. i did think Bossam was a bit draggy hence i didnt complete the drama.. also JIW's hair and mustache... he could really do without before he came bk as a yan ban... 

 

Yes, perhaps it is the director's call not to show any skinship.. sigh... 

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10 minutes ago, realistic2280a said:

Hmm.. i did think Bossam was a bit draggy hence i didnt complete the drama.. also JIW's hair and mustache... he could really do without before he came bk as a yan ban...

hahaha... yea it did get a bit draggy but was into it and so kept watching. hahahah........ as for his look, many of us loved the scruffy look a lot. we had a poll about it LOL. beauty is in the eye of the beholder they say. :lol:

 

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12 hours ago, Lmangla said:

favourite OTP scene for many here (according to poll) was when she met him in jail and cried and caressed his face. it showed without words how these two felt about each other. there was no confession but their tears said it all.  I think those two scenes really acted as turning points instead of a kiss for the relationship of these two -- the audience didn't need a kiss to know how these two felt. we understood how deep their love was for each other. so a very different kind of love story in that sense and there were several OTP moments that felt very fresh and different. rather than grand confession of love, something the OTP repeatedly say to each other is more on the lines of "stay alive", "I will come back to you".....

Yes to the above, and my favorite romantic scene was where there was no physical contact at all yet their actions expressed their genuine concern for the other. When they needed money to pay for the house rent, BW went everywhere from smith shops to loading docks to work. In the meantime Chun Bae was told by the bookshop owner that romance (x-rated as considered at that time) books were in demand. He asked the princess and Lady Jo to write them. The princess had no idea how to write such books but Lady Jo (according to her) learned from the ladies of the palace many stories of romance and love affairs. Since the princess was an artist and Lady Jo the story teller, the two collaborated to write the books. Lady Jo wrote the stories, the princess drew illustrations of romantic moments and Chun Bae did demo advertising and their books became bestsellers. Everyone including the storeowner were happy except for BW. At that time, when the conservative party learned about such books, the leader of the group, Yi Cheom went to petition the court and king to censor and burn such books and writers and sellers of those books were to be punished. When BW learned about the book writing, he was angry and he was also concerned about the group being found out but especially the possibility of the identity of the princess, being revealed. The princess defended the group and both walked out of the house angry. The next scene was of BW and the princess walking by the shore but at opposite sides. BW saw the princess' pensive and sad while walking. I could imagine her thinking that she wanted to help and yet she was endangering others just by who she was. The  next scene shows the princess talking to Lady Jo inside their room. BW called out for the princess to come out while he put a pile of books just outside where the princess could find them. This was his means of apology and acceptance and respect of the princess decision as well as acknowledgement of her work. He went to sit behind the door of his own room waiting for the princess to come out. When the princess saw the books her face of surprise and delight as well as gratitude were expressed in her face and body. BW made a hole through the paper door to see the princess laughing and happy face as well as hear her "thank you". BW smiled behind the door knowing that he made his woman very happy. For me, this scene was so poignant and loving. Physical contact and declarations of love were not needed. They connected. 

 

16 hours ago, ktcjdrama said:

Me too. His death was so unnecessary... why not just heavily injured? But I guess it is needed to show a little bit of heart from LYC when he thanked BW for burying DY’s body? We don’t need to see that. Poor aunt, to have her husband and only child killed by her only brother.

 

I agree. I thought that was so not needed. In eps 18 and 19, they wrote his character as a real "noble" person not because of his status but because of his character of being selfless, giving and aiding others, as well as graceful acceptance of his painful fate, with the princess and his family identity. He truly exemplified what a noble person should be. Then all of a sudden, they killed him. Why in the world did he go alone to confront his uncle knowing that his uncle would not hesitate to kill him as he did his father or would have done to his mother? The confrontation with his uncle was necessary for DY but for him to just turn his back on his uncle defenseless as if he was committing suicide, because he knew his uncle well. He was also confident that his mother was taken to some undisclosed location far from YC's reach by DG and the princess was also safe with BW and he did not have ambition to fight for the throne, therefore the uncle would have no one to use to convince others to support him. No matter what his uncle did to him, the people he loved were safe even if he died. I wish though, like you said that he was just heavily wounded, that he survived for the love and sake of his mother

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It was good although it dragged and became a little repetitive.  I wish the end was not overshadowed by the death of DY. I know and understand that there was no other way but still the heart wants what it wants. I am glad he remained a good guy till his last breath. Sometimes the dramas turn these SMLs into evil men just to eliminate competition. I wish they didn't kill him.  :(

 

Also a little disappointed that we went through the entire series of 20 episodes without a single kiss.  I was hoping for one, just one.  But I am happy with those back hugs and those silent glances that spoke volumes about their feelings.  It's almost so poetic how they conveyed so much through their silent glances  so full of love and longing and more. It was refreshing to not be subjected to 'lustful' scenes. Most of the dramas nowadays have no romance. You don't feel it at all.

 

So saying goodbye to the drama with a heavy heart. See you chingus in another drama soon. :heartxoxo:

 

 

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Last thoughts on this lovely tale of Joseon nobility, love and loss.

 

How terribly sad to see our DY lose his life and that at the hand of his Uncle/Father. No words other than it broke my heart that he was such a tragic figure. I am so sad because he could have been a good friend and cohort for both BW and SK had he lived. I wish him a happy, happy life in the one after. 
 

How beautiful that the ending featured our couple at the sea bathed in a golden light. I was hoping to see them there again as one of the few very happy scenes in the series was the first time SK came to the seaside with BW, Cha Dol et al. And as much as I wanted a kiss (sigh) I am happy with the ending. Kudos to the writer and production team if their intention was to keep PDA’s to a bare minimum in the true style of a Sageuk. They managed that and yet our principal actors conveyed the depth and intensity of their emotions for each other beautifully.

 

I wish we would have had more scenes of the every day life of our

main characters.  Seeing the interactions of BW, SK and little Cha Dol interact as a family unit was so charming and sweet. The second half of the drama I feel felt bogged down with all the palace and political intrigue. But perhaps this too was authentic as it may have portrayed life of the Joseon royalty and nobility accurately. 

 

All in all Bossam: Steal the Fate was a treat to watch. The stunning cinematography, unique storyline and unforgettable characters brought to life by masterful acting was a gift. 
 

Thank you my friends. It was a joy to watch this drama with you all. Ciao! 

 

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On 7/5/2021 at 8:39 PM, Lmangla said:

in some ways, PD's choice to not show a kiss means the drama will age rather timelessly well. this is a drama

not sure if I can express well but am starting to understand why the PD chose to draw back on any real skinship for our OTP. rather than a typical love story of two people meeting, this is about a couple who are fighting to save their marriage, their family and themselves. there is no question on whether they will fall in love or whether they will commit to each other. no, the question was always about whether they will survive and how to protect each other and their family. their commitment and attraction to each other was always based on heart and mind. so PDnim chose to show the melding of two lives that became one without skinship or big confessions. given the maturity and the way these characters are, it seems right that a hug displays the depth of their feeling more than a kiss would. :sweatingbullets:

 

that said... I wouldn't have minded a kiss. hahahahaha..... 

Yes, I do feel like the lack of skinship in this series gives it a timeless/classic quality. As awesome as kissing, etc. is, it just seems wrong in a period drama; PDLs just were not appropriate for the time. Maybe that is why the actors portray awkwardness when there is physical affection shown? Is it a deliberate choice by PD Nim? 

 

Whatever the case may be, it just lets us focus on the small intimacies that are portioned out to us. My favourite still has to be when the princess calls out to Bawu as he is taken away by the police, when all formality of language is dropped. 

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