joccu Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 @Lmangla I watch one episode per week and then only previews. So no idea. But the secretary definitely has something up her sleeve. Yeah it weird that the another male lead is written out. But bc I really don't like JE he made the right choice to leave. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrez1 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Lmangla said: how strange -- this is the first drama where the male lead was written out along with the clingy second female lead. definitely something happened behind the scenes. given how annoying ji eun didn't care one bit, sae hoon actually made a somewhat better choice with miran who actually cried that he was ill and maybe terminal. not sure where this drama is going but neither the writer, PD or station should have called this phoenix 2020. maybe they can change the drama title like they have swapped the leads. eye roll. since jung min seems to be the male lead now, then the secretary also has some beef with the old chairman. maybe she is some daughter that got dumped? or maybe she hates ji eun's parents who were terrible people when they had money... (random theory as I have stopped watching this except for previews). I know the character has traveled, but has the actor really left the series ?? I thought we were going to show him anyway in the usa and he would come back , but is there an official source? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmangla Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, marrez1 said: I know the character has traveled, but has the actor really left the series ?? I thought we were going to show him anyway in the usa and he would come back , but is there an official source? no official source but just my interpretation both characters got written out the way as the writer gives no importance to sae hoon at all.... maybe they will show up again after a few episodes. if you are watching regularly, keep us posted with updates. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joccu Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 @marrez1 they took all their luggage. and sold their furniture/gave them to charity. they may come back in the last few episodes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vienvien Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Wow.....her father is alive. What will happen to the ajusshi then? The wishy washy girl has patched up Jung Min. So now the story will be about how his secretary destroy their on off on relationship ? This drama becoming more weird. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joccu Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 @Lmangla in today´s episode we saw that JE father is still alive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmangla Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 what a bizarre twist. @vienvien @joccu ~ this drama has totally gone off the rails. it just didn't' have enough story to be a daily drama and the writer is now just making stuff up as they go. only problem is they are not really talented enough to make it entertaining that it comes off as strange. makes you appreciate the revenge screaming dramas more -- at least there, it would be believable that a dead character came back because he was hiding or something. hahahahaha... now if the chairman came back from the dead, that would be more entertaining! P.S ~ did they change writer and producer? maybe thats why? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joccu Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 @Lmangla yeah. there is not even kdrama logic anymore. IT looks like JE father does not remember anything. And the woman who is with him is suspicious. I would not be even shock if the woman turns out to be the new secretary mother. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lmangla Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 @joccu ~ apparently the ratings are not good. am guessing thats why we are having some absurd twists that is not even kdrama logic. ep 80 (the one where sae hoon and miran flew off) had ratings of 2.8% overall. not sure how that compares to other dailies. maybe @Ayame would know.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayame Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @Lmangla The ratings went down to 2.8%? Yeah, that's definitely lower than it usually would be. This drama airs in the morning (8:35AM), and usually dramas in that timeslot have low ratings (between 4%-7%). I think the last time the ratings were decent in the last few years was "Happy Sisters" which reached 15%. After that, all the dramas that aired in this timeslot has stayed around 4%-7%. So the fact that the ratings has now dropped even further is probably why the plot is going crazy. To your other post about the writer and producer... the original writer Lee Yoo Jin is still there, but they added the co-writer Kim Si Eun (who seems to be a first-time scriptwriter) from Episode 61 and onwards, so both Lee Yoo Jin & Kim Si Eun are writing the episodes together now. Although Lee Yoo Jin did agree to try her best to get along with the staff until the end, it does feel like they're putting anything & everything into the plot now lol. The chief producer definitely did change (from Choi Young Hoon to Park Young Soo ), though there was no reason given for that. The only person who hasn't changed is the director, Lee Hyun Jik. It is interesting though. The reason why Se Hoon (Lee Jae Woo), Mi Ran (Park Young Rin), Bok Ja (Ok Go Un), Ho Jin (Kim Ho Chang), and Sang Beom (Choi Ryung) were casted in this drama was because they have a close relationship with Director Lee Hyun Jik since they were all in another drama he was the director for "Sweet Enemy" in 2017. I do wonder how Director Lee Hyun Jik feels now that SH & MR have been written out of the drama for now, considering he's the reason that got them casted in this drama to begin with. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liyahsbutterfly Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 What the hell are they doing with this drama??? Oh my god this is a mess. I feel so bad for the actors involved in this. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayame Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, chococarmela said: What the hell are they doing with this drama??? Oh my god this is a mess. I feel so bad for the actors involved in this. There is just so much drama behind the scenes as well, which makes every 10 times worse, honestly. 'Man in a Veil' may have been a bit messy, but I was okay with watching it and behind the scenes I could tell all the staff and cast really had a lot of fun filming and got along with each other really well. They constantly posted pictures with each other on Instagram and even now, they all comment on each other's Instagram so you can see a lot of them became close friends. With all the drama in 'Phoenix 2020', these days the only ones who updates with behind the scenes is Hong Soo Ah (Ji Eun) and Seo Ha Joon (Jung Min). A lot of the other actors/actresses just update with their day-to-day lives and don't post anything related to 'Phoenix 2020' anymore, which I don't blame them for that. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystaltears Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 what the. Ji Eun's dad is still alive?? what's next, Jung Min's dad is alive too... as if Ah Jun isn't annoying enough they add the female secretary character to the love square. Well at least we get to watch 100+ eps of Seo Ha Joon eye candy. I wonder what will make Sae Hoon want to come back to Ji Eun (ep 1 beach scene) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Chingus, cast your vote! - which of the new dramas (Feb-April) will you be checking out? re: @Lmangla, @partyon 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liyahsbutterfly Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 22 hours ago, Jillia said: And it's not like with "Man in the Veil" which was a mess as well but at least something to make fun of And I thought old romance dramas were bad... this is just a new level of terrible! 21 hours ago, Ayame said: There is just so much drama behind the scenes as well, which makes every 10 times worse, honestly. Geez... 21 hours ago, Ayame said: these days the only ones who updates with behind the scenes is Hong Soo Ah (Ji Eun) and Seo Ha Joon (Jung Min). Seems like the writer is picking favorites? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrez1 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 hours ago, crystaltears said: I wonder what will make Sae Hoon want to come back to Ji Eun (ep 1 beach scene) I guess now this beach scene was more of a kind of introduction to the drama, I would have loved to see this final scene but the actor who plays Sae Hoon, is no longer there, although he only comes back to the end, this scene would have no more impact 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calledtoteach Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 I'm sorry, but I had to let this one go. It's officially the worst Kdrama I've ever TRIED to watch. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liyahsbutterfly Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 I’ve officially dropped this drama. I stopp watching it but now I’m just done with it. It needs to get cancelled like that other daily drama with 65 episodes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofr Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 17 hours ago, chococarmela said: I’ve officially dropped this drama. I stopp watching it but now I’m just done with it. It needs to get cancelled like that other daily drama with 65 episodes. Totally agree. I might watch the ending or check here for an update. But I too am done with this pathetic excuse of script writing and the worst female lead ever. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emily Bett Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 I dropped this drama on episode 26 and now I'm glad I didn't waste my time. Catching up on here, wow what a mess. I feel bad for Seo Ha Jun. After his scandal, he hasn't been able to find any decent dramas to star in. He's got so much potential and it's being wasted on these shows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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