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[Current Drama 2020] Phoenix / The Firebird, 불새 - Mon to Fri @ 8:35 KST


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@Lmangla she may need to rethink her choice and fall in love with the SML, No one would  want someone doing this after kissing him    Is pandemic now , I can’t kiss anyone I don’t know  

@shana0127 ~ like @maribella mentioned, in the original, she ended up with the male lead. however, this wasn't a typical triangle. will try not to give too many spoilers but part of the reason I loved

@Lmangla   when she turn to the sea all I’m thinking : must be to traumatizing to choose between 2 gorgeous guys , so she choose the sea       

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kekeke.. that prosecutor cha who double crossed was kind of dashing. so will he triple cross his colleague that he can't stand? is that how sae hoon will get out?

 

the mom reminded me of this cartoon rabbit when she was urging the dad to run after ji eun. kekeke..

 

 

 

 

 

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I liked the original 2004 Phoenix, so I wanted to give this 2020 remake a chance, but I just can't with this new set up. The original premise worked for me because the 2 leads were young college students, so the behaviors made some sense due to their youth. Now that both characters have been aged up (I think FL is 26 and ML is 29) I just can't take the behaviors and immaturity on display. Also, the FL character is just too much for me to have any sympathy. Maybe the original lead actress was just that much better an actress, but I think a lot of it also has to do with how this character has been re-written. (ML character as well in some ways). It saddens me, but I think I'm going to have to give this drama a miss. I might check back later though to see if things are greatly improved in the second half. Going to have to rely on the info here at the forum.

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waving hello to @Table122000, it has been a while! phoenix is one of my favourite melos and this re-make has basically shown me how good the acting was in the original. these are difficult character notes to play in the beginning but in the original, you really felt like they loved each other but lacked the life maturity to know how to make the relationship work. there was some really cute moments where you saw them connect and a real warmth. here, the remake lacks warmth. it feels all shrieky and over the top but they seem like one note characters.

 

the time leap is a good thing here as ji eun seems more tolerable character to watch. mom is a still loud but at least has reduced a decibel -- the loan shark is right, the woman needs to work instead of just taking anti-depressants and sleeping. her sister is using dad's death as an excuse to have meltdowns and waffle through life.

 

sang hoon seems like the same character and not much change. wonder what happened to his dad as he says there is no one to meet in korea. jung in has died and there is no mention of how. they haven't revealed what happened to na kyung and their kid. jung in's dad has married the art reviewer and it looks like they are actually happy. jung min is a fun character to watch and seems like his own person.

 

it is clear it will never match the original but hoping it is at least watchable.

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I really liked jugmin. I also wonder how Jung in died and what happened to his kid? Then there is also nakyung. So sag hoon is not married. He is only kind of dating Miran. Don't know if he loves her or is only with her bc the accident. 

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@joccu ~ I liked when jung min said that he never competed with his brother but his dad was his villain because he always put him down. the way he fights with the dad is kind of amusing to watch because it is rather witty. and jung min is rather successful in his chosen field. so it is not like he is waffling...

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Hi @Lmangla :)

Yeah, it has been a while! I still have fond memories of the WGM forum. I'll agree with your points about the main lead characters and the acting for this remake. We did get to see some scenes of connection in the 2004 original that helped to explain why these 2 characters got together in the first place. And, yes, the acting was stronger. Also, it was just easier for me to take all of the immature types of behaviors because both leads were young college students (I think FL was a sophomore and ML was a senior). As you say, a lack of life experience because of their youth. Now that the leads are older (ML is almost 30!) these behaviors-it's just not working for me. I kind of just wondering like why is ML even giving FL the time of day?  Anyway, I'll agree with you the original 2004 showed more warmth.  Hopefully for everyone watching the drama will greatly improve after the time jump. 

I'll continue to check in here at the forum.

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@Table122000 ~ I miss those WGM days. just as you, I have warm memories of those times. :)

 

initially, I found it really difficult to accept how these two characters in their 20s are so immature. however, I was recently watching some reality show and have come to the conclusion that sometimes age has nothing to do with maturity and how people view 'love'. for some people, they are in love with the idea of love and sprout all kind of nonsense and do absurd things. some folks cannot understand or read the room even though they in their 30s and one would think that you would have figured it out by then.. others are still struggling with confidence and even understanding their emotions. so I have come to realize that while we think that there is a marker of age where folks need to mature on xyz fronts, the reality may not be so. age and wisdom don't seem to be co-related. why? I don't know the answer to that but perhaps it is like how the female lead said with the time leap "I learned that life is not about situations but about how we respond to those very situations" (or something along those lines).....

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21 hours ago, joccu said:

so we found out how Jung in died  Jung min is going investigate his brother died.

His dad is still awful! 

 

 

I was really surprised. like jung min said, it seems odd that jung in wold choose to kill himself. he seemed bent on taking over the company and making it into a good one. his father was making his life miserable and he was unhappy with his personal life as he didn't believe na kyung loved him. was he that unhappy and overwhelmed? or like jung min believes, is there a mystery behind jung in's death? where is nakyung and the child?

 

jung min is really perceptive and quite sharp. and he actually seems to get along better with ms choi than his father. she seems like a straight arrow but does she have her own agenda? like you said @joccu, the dad is still exasperating. it was interesting to find that he swindled his siblings out of the company. so he was a viper but was shocked his sons don't like him. ha! 

 

miran seems already twisted, insecure and very cunning. she was berating on the assistant who gave her info like he was worth nothing; so perhaps sae hoon is the only one who has showed any loyalty and kept up with her meanness. looks like the friend ho jin is no longer working in the prosecutor's office. he doesn't seem to like miran at all.

 

in the original, I found miran's driver really cute and very mysterious - their relationship had an interesting vibe. wonder if that will be replicated here. he had this look after she left that makes you think what he was thinking....

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so the two exes meet -- what a different interpretation to the original but I am not sure I understand why ji eun acted like an arrogant witch. he tells her that her family jailed him for embezzlement and her attitude is like "so? do you want revenge?" ummm, what lady? that is your reaction to him telling you that your family screwed him over? and just a minute ago, you were washed in memories of him kissing you. okay then... if anyone can explain this weirdo, please do!

 

like this addition of this character of the restaurant ajusshi -- he seems so wise and level headed. even if mom looks like his late wife, he is way too patient of such a cranky tempestuous woman. but he seems so chilled that he doesn't even phased out by her nastiness.

 

find it interesting that sae hoon has become so cold and focused on money that even ho jin feels uncomfortable. they are friends from long ago but there is a kind of gap in how they think and navigate now. so will they clash later on approaches?

 

bok ja and ho jin were so cute when they met again. her colleague had such a funny "what the?" kind of reaction to those two. kekeke...

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