Winter Garden Detective Agency 2.0

[lurker___not]

I have watched most of YYSs dramas and in my opinion, JW is a totally different character from his previous works (exc Mr Sunshine which I haven't watched.. Sorry). Dare I say he looked the most mature here and looked his age? I was actually surprised to learn that SHB was only 2 years younger IRL ... So not sure why "others" say she looks older than YYS. 

For me, these two actors portrayed their characters very well.

 

As for SHB, I later found out she was in Queen of Mystery, she really is a chameleon!

 

It's possible that some fans are so used to dramas with a Male Lead and a Female Lead, and them ending up together, that a drama such as HP, that has FIVE leads and will not be about romance is so unfathomable for them.

 

They do know that they can just drop the drama right? 

 

P. S.

Me, thinking how we got onboard the WG ship with only a few seconds of WG scenes per episode in a drama that's not about romance, says a lot about the PD, the Writer and YYS + SHB. 

[smartiegal]

Yes @leftphalange especially if we add the shooting or filming time for season 2 with season 1, it will be one year or more. There is a good chance wherein both of them may really click with each other (teamwork, similar grounds for friendship, desire to work with each other again, think of each other when the perfect project offer comes, etc.). 

 

@kiklaminHo I’m out of Kdrama radar for more than 5 years and it’s just this year wherein I saw your bias forming great friendships after his recent drama. Really happy for him for I rarely see him keep in touch with certain people. Sometimes it’s luck and fate when people are brought together and something is bloomed. 

 

People have different varied tastes but it should not be brought out without class. That seems to be the case for other YYS’s fans. Good thing Korean public is always hungry for Winter Garden hahahaha big win!

 

Ahhh quite embarrassing when I saw the “God-tier actor who can play with certain actress/es” LOL PLS THEY SHOULD STOP WITH THAT. They are not helping with what they’re doing

 

Btw two of his new fanbases are doing the Werther flower offering and fan-arts & fan letters project for his debut anniversary. If anyone needs the details, please let me know and I’ll post it on your Soompi wall. These new fanbases are not gatekeepers okay? One new fanbase was asked if they do block people LOL

[kiklaminHo]

@leftphalange

I visited that website twice.Once in the beginning bcos I wanted to read theories for The Eternal King and I saw that they hv a thread for HP also.I read it and I visited it one more time because somewhere I read something.One poster was attacking YYS personally(such a venomous post) but more posts were against SHB and few against writer/director.As you see the negative comments were for both WG and the creators so I believe their negativity comes because they dont agree with the plot.I dont think it has to do with their "oppa" Btw YYS "oppa" is my oppa also.

I dont know what's going on twitter.I read few acc only and some posts that some users post here.

I want to say only that in every fandom you find  extreme reactions.

If you know the worth of the actor you follow dont let petty  words and actions  to get you.This is what these people want.

I let them be.

i wanted to write something for WG but I forgot now.: ))

 

[leftphalange]

@smartiegal Ah I see, that's why I said the amount of love and support for hospital playlist maybe irks them

@kiklaminHo I'm really sure that blog throw their disappoinment towards HP to literally everyone involves I never visit them again so I have no idea how things are there, and actually what I meant with YYS fans is people whose username I'm familiar in twitter and some fanbase acc/blog not from that infamous blog. But yeah I'm sorry I'm just really annoyed with them hahaha

Anyway I'm so grateful, many of WG-ers still actively give contents or their analysis during this drought. I found some of them in twitter, not sure tho how to bring it on here lol

[smartiegal]

Hahahahaha somebody had to clown Jeongwon again

 

 

[AABattery]

Hi.  This is my first Soompi post and my first ever involvement in Kdrama chats!  I found it quite surprising, and a little embarrassing, that at my age (I am a mom of two teens), after casually watching Asian dramas here and there for years, I would be so moved by HP and WG to the point of creating a Soompi account  and following different WG threads and ff, but HP indeed had been a pleasant surprise for me in a challenging period for most of us.  It went totally the opposite from some typical, over dramatic plots, and lifted up my spirit with the warm stories, the genuine goodness of people, and the love between friends and family.  Of course, the actors were amazing in delivering the stories in such a natural, yet impacting performance.  Now I look forward to Season 2 and my expectation is high!  

 

I do not remember exactly when I started seeing WG as a firm loveline in the drama.  I have to say that above WG, my true following is for GU.  Her character really surprised me, starting from how she responded to JW in Ep2.  She explained herself, not to talk back or defend, but simply to explain her reason while at the same time assessing whether she could do better in the future.  Then she owned up to her mistake about the CPR comment. While I was shocked by how she hurt the mom's feeling by her comments, the responses to JW showed that she had no malice.  She was simply delivering her honest observation without the needed filters.  I think enough has been said by many people about her transformation so I will stop here, but she really has been one of my favorite characters in all the Asian dramas I have watched!

 

I was reserved on the WG relationship for a long time, more to protect myself .  While it was clear to me that GU liked JW and JW saw her as someone different, I did not want to jump in too early since JW was quite repressed most of the time (actually, till the last few minutes!).  What I did see is that GU is really a force of unexpected impact to him.  There were a few scenes where I observed him shifting in his stands after witnessing what GU did, including the maggot scene, the DV father chase, etc.  It must have been nerve wrecking for him to see himself being impacted so much by her.  Then I think the shocks gradually transformed to comfort and trust, as evidenced by how well they worked together in the OR, a restricted space for JW, and how her steady presence became a source of comfort and stability for him.

 

About what I look forward to S2, I am trying not to keep my hope too high, knowing that HP is not meant to be a romantic drama, and JW is only one of 5 main characters.  However... 

 

I would like to see both of them continue to grow within and outside the relationship.  I would like to see how they make adjustments for each other and learn to fit each other in their current circles and future planning. 

 

Being such a GU fan, I would really like to see JW come clean and be bold in sharing his feelings with GU.  The affection is no longer one-sided and she needs to know - she not only deserves to be loved, she deserves to be assured of that! 

 

It would also be sweet to see a protective and caring JW and how they negotiate the proper boundary for his protectiveness (especially with their age and professional position gaps).  I wonder what he would start adding into his pocket / bag... definitely the right pain medicine for her, some hair ties, hair clip, and of course, choco pies? 

 

I also wonder how she would help him deal with loss and sadness, including by just being there in his life and making him realize that he can no longer put his patients first without regards to people around him or his own needs - he now has another person to care for, and his well being is one of the key factors for her happiness.   

 

The confession scene definitely left me in awe, not just the plot, but how both YYS and SHB delivered the scene.  Not a word was vocalized by YYS, but so much was expressed through his eyes, the kiss, and the embrace!  If I have to pick on one thing, I would say that some of the last scenes made me feel that JW was choosing between faith and love, but I really believe he could have both, and should have both to continue being a whole person.  I was a little puzzled as to why he had to clean up the entire drawer, as I think God's presence in his life should not have been lessened by his decision to stay, instead, he should be more at peace and be even more intimate with the Lord now he is able to recognize his true calling, and be blessed with the affection that he thought he would never experience.  So I hope in S2 there would be some more development about that as well.  

 

So sorry for such long post... I have been quietly reading for a long time.  I found the original thread and was making plans to read them in my spare time, then it disappeared!  I was so glad this new forum was created.  Thank you all for the wonderful postings; I really enjoy reading them.  We need S2 to come quickly! 

 

 

[lurker___not]

Welcome @AABattery!

Don't worry, you're not alone  HP was also the reason why I created a Soompi account... I did not find enough love for HP in another site . 

Been watching Asian dramas/movies since late 90s, stopped for a while in the mid-2000s because I felt plots were mostly the same, rediscovered them in 2016. 

3 hours ago, AABattery said:

It went totally the opposite from some typical, over dramatic plots, and lifted up my spirit with the warm stories, the genuine goodness of people, and the love between friends and family.

This is why I love KDramas over other Asian dramas, they really provide surprising insights and reminds us of the simple yet important things in life.

HP in particular is different in a sense that they planned to have seasons from the get go. So they aren't going for complicated twist and turns or dramatic scenes. I really admire how the PD and the writer can get important points across in just a few seconds and without the main characters... e.g the young parents, the mother who lost her baby in the OB outpatient scene, the nurse and her daughter, and a whole other side stories. Kudos to all guest actors/actresses. 

They also did that with the main leads, resolving some issues without dragging it over several episodes... e.g IkJun's divorce, hospital's possible power struggle after Jeong Won's father's death, etc. 

 

In S2, aside from WG, I would really love for Gyeoul to have more surgery scenes and showing us why she's indispensable in GS. I felt Minha got the more challenging scenes (like the emergency labor). 

Now that the whole WG has been resolved, I hope to see SHBs character evolve into the "6th" 99ers . 

[Doesntmatter]

3 hours ago, lurker___not said:

 

In S2, aside from WG, I would really love for Gyeoul to have more surgery scenes and showing us why she's indispensable in GS. I felt Minha got the more challenging scenes (like the emergency labor). 

Now that the whole WG has been resolved, I hope to see SHBs character evolve into the "6th" 99ers . 

I don't disagree with you.. but for Gyeoul I think the reason she didn't have that MOMENT like the other residents (Chi Hong, Min Ha, Jae Hak) is probably because her arc maybe tied up with Jwon as the catalyst/game changer. The lead surgery maybe IT but it didn't have the same impact like the others had esp with the viewers. But of course this is just my opinion. 

And yeah, more surgery scenes for Gyeoul and a detailed background story. 

@smartiegal regarding clowning Jwon, yeah, no wonder he asked IkJun if he has an umbrella. Maybe he would borrow it if he has 1. Hehe..

 

People at the bird app have been clowning themselves. If before EP12 was Ikjun's dream, then became SeokHyeong's, then Jeongwon's, and now they're saying it's JunWan's especially since the word Hallucination was mentioned in their scene (Junwan and Iksun scene before the kiss in front of ER, EP12). Haha.. but that's just clowning. As far as I know, there was never a dream sequence in HP so to put that at the last episode would be inconsistent to the story. Those other quarters just want their ship to sail, hoping that in s2 they will be proven correct. But the fact is, it doesn't take rocket science to understand the story. So we just humor them by clowning.. hehe.. 

 Btw, Welcome @AABattery to the group. 

 

 

[Sorary]

2 hours ago, Doesntmatter said:

ut for Gyeoul I think the reason she didn't have that MOMENT like the other residents (Chi Hong, Min Ha, Jae Hak) is probably because her arc maybe tied up with Jwon as the catalyst/game changer. The lead surgery maybe IT but it didn't have the same impact like the others had esp with the viewers. But of course this is just my opinion. 

And yeah, more surgery scenes for Gyeoul and a detailed background story. 

i think because like shin pd mention he want jang geul wol kinda had mysterious character that why the only thing we know about her is limited yet she always there in the scene..the small details we get to know is he got brother...and she was army like mi ha...

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and i think cause shin pd want to see her growth in term of different thing..cause like ik jun dialog how she was so good in tie(surgery procedure) and jeong won also admit it..and with the how many different surgery she assist alone..

but yeah i think she will be amazing whoever she assist and i like to see it more too..

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by the way what do you guys think which specialises geul wol will choice as she enter her 4th resident..will she choice ik jun deparment or jeong wo department or other gs department??? even she great in every department i still find her kinda awkward in paediatric cause she like kids herself not good at lying...i means not like mi ha who can smile to patient even she annoying..hahaha i remember the scene where jeong won said hye cutely to kids and so does the intern but she just like that...i just had all this random tought cause i cant wait for next season

[AABattery]

@40somethingahjumma I just read your most recent blogpost on WG and totally loved it!  I have always enjoyed your posts on the show and the WG dynamic and this one was no exception.  You so eloquently described the ideas I was never able to articulate with this post about GU.  I love your comment that her teachability and lack of resentment being your favorite things about her.  Ditto here!

 

And thank you @Doesntmatter @lurker___not for the warm welcome 

 

Now about the question why JW waited for so long after he decided to stay... I actually wondered if in his mind he still had a lot of time since now he would not be leaving and could plan for a perfect occasion for the talk.  However, it then caused me to wonder if his potential departure was a known thing among his friends and circle of colleagues.  I do not remember that being announced, and if it was not well known, and he had no idea that GU learned about it from his mom, then why would he need to "tell her first"?  Or, was it possible that his intent to become a priest and hence, open potential to leave the hospital, was a well known (for even people outside his closest friends) thing but just not with a clear timeline?  It is not likely based on what Ikjun told GU in Ep 3, though...   Any thoughts?  

[Vicmrtnz]

1 hour ago, AABattery said:

Now about the question why JW waited for so long after he decided to stay... I actually wondered if in his mind he still had a lot of time since now he would not be leaving and could plan for a perfect occasion for the talk.  However, it then caused me to wonder if his potential departure was a known thing among his friends and circle of colleagues.  I do not remember that being announced, and if it was not well known, and he had no idea that GU learned about it from his mom, then why would he need to "tell her first"?  Or, was it possible that his intent to become a priest and hence, open potential to leave the hospital, was a well known (for even people outside his closest friends) thing but just not with a clear timeline?  It is not likely based on what Ikjun told GU in Ep 3, though...   Any thoughts?  

Welcome @AABattery.

 

To answer your question, i think Jwan, Ikjun and Songhwa knows. but only Songhwa knows that he will leave by the end of the year. He delegated DaddyLongLegs to her. He didn't exactly tell Ikjun when he will leave but maybe since Jeongwon is still there and it's already Dec2019, maybe Ikjun assumed he will leave at the end of the month. As for colleagues, Director Ju tried to persuade him to change his mind so i don't think anyone else knew abt his plans. In ep3, Ikjun only mentioned to Gyeoul that Jwon wanted to become a priest but didn't say he will leave yet. He only implied that Jwon wanted to pursue priesthood. 

 

In regards to Jwon telling "her" first (and we know it's Gyeoul he's referring to), for me, it seems he has already accepted the fact that he likes her and since he decided to stay and save more lives, he might as well pursue a romantic relationship with her. This goes to show that somehow, along the way, Gyeoul became an important person to him.

 

And you are right abt Mama Rosa's request to Gyeoul, it didn't seem like Jwon knows about it. 

 

These are just my thoughts and from how i understood what happened in ep12 timeline. Hope i was able to answer some of your questions.  

[Sorary]

9 hours ago, AABattery said:

then why would he need to "tell her first"?  Or, was it possible that his intent to become a priest and hence, open potential to leave the hospital, was a well known (for even people outside his closest friends) thing but just not with a clear timeline?

i think that time he already decide to stay and wondering about what he gonna do about his feeling to her...cause he decide to stay first as a doctor then second the feeling that never got away when it come to her..but jeong won being jeong won always to over thinking make the situation occurs why it takes long times... remember how he doesn’t even know how to tell about his family to ik jun/jung wan..song hwa might had clue as she work at yulje and seok hyung already his childhood friend...

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but the conversation between 99z gang about seok hyong dont want to miss a thing kind hit him the most..

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or maybe he thinking to confess on special occussion...

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p.s again reading the fanfiction i saw few plot where jeong won left...i wonder what happen if its really occurs or does it suit with jeong won character

 

[yyscrush]

Small talk, you are not alone @AABattery @lurker___not. I created a Soompi account because of this couple too. At first I found a personal blog of a Flower Garden rooter, I was so lost and confused. Then I found this thread on Soompi, where my thought is belonged to, didn't think much to have an account  

 

Thank you the Winter Gardeners, so happy to join and read from you everytime!

[croquembouche2018]

Hello everyone,

As you can see this is my first post ever in Soompi forum.

I've been perpetual lurker in this forum since ages ago. The old Winter Garden Detective Agency in the Club section was one of my favourit threads. Imagine my heartbreak and disappointment when that thread suddenly disappeared a few weeks ago.

That's why I'm so glad that I finally found this thread. And finally decided to take a plunge and join this thread conversation, with my fellow Winter Gardeners.

It's so lonely out there in real life. Even my friends and sister who are also avid Kdrama viewers don't share the same passion that I have for HP and its love lines like Winter Garden. So this thread is some kind of solace, a place where I can vent and share my thoughts with minds alike. Thank you very much @triplem and @kokodusfor creating thus keeping this thread alive.

 

 

 

 

 

[kokodus]

@croquembouche2018 Welcome to the soompi forums. So glad that you found us here!!! You will not feel lonely here for sure as we share the same passion for our lovely Wintergarden couple. The last 13 mins of 12th ep still gives me butterflies....I'm not going to move on until next season is here...LOL. 

[Doesntmatter]

Hello there.. saw this on bird app . Just wanna share...

 Click the link at the last part for the continuation of the thread..

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http://yulje's ghostie (@chaesonghwamnda) Tweeted: Ep 12 did not only reveal merely that Jeongwon has feelings for Gyeoul; it was also revealed that he liked her right from the start. Never forget that he was the first one to enter the room and cross the line (there was a whole door and room theory about wintergarden) https://t.co/8zzGol6Xw1 https://twitter.com/chaesonghwamnda/status/1297400076722036736?s=20

 

(Anyone kind enough to teach me how to attach the preview pic of the tweet? I'm just using my phone btw. Thanks in advance..)

[croquembouche2018]

On 8/21/2020 at 9:30 PM, kokodus said:

@croquembouche2018 Welcome to the soompi forums. So glad that you found us here!!! You will not feel lonely here for sure as we share the same passion for our lovely Wintergarden couple. The last 13 mins of 12th ep still gives me butterflies....I'm not going to move on until next season is here...LOL.

@kokodus thank you for the warm welcome

I can't move on from the scene above either, it still gives me those warm and fuzzy feelings everytime I watch it. Moreover, the BG songs (I Knew I'd Love and Confession is not Flashy) somehow they aptly describe Gyeoul feelings towards JWeon and vice versa ; and their poetic lyrics don't help my poor heart to move on. At all.

E.g., the last refrain/chorus from I Knew I'd Love :

I knew I'd love you on the day we first met

Even if you start to falter from our love fading over time,

I'll hold onto you

Don't worry about anything, take my hand,

Just like that first day. Both of us.

 

OMG I think I have what people call sepanx (separation anxiety) Season 2, pali-pali, come to us.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Jillia
Please do not quote pics! Thanks!

[kiklaminHo]

Welcome new friends of Wintergarden.

Happy to see every time a new name posting his/her thoughts and expressing their love for the one and lovely WG couple.

I always wanted to know how IkJun figure out Gueoul's crush to JeongWon.If you see episode 2 right after the "pick me pick me "scene and when Gyeoul received a call from ER she was leaving the GS room and IJ told her if he should call JeongWon bcs he heard he was not busy.

Did he said that because he knew Gyeoul likes his best friend and he throws his name so he can be in good terms with her (more chances to choose his surgeries) or

he asks to call  his friend in case he is needed? Gyeoul answered him it was personal for her.(in this ER scene after we had the curtain scene)

Another question that I have is as much as I love that Wintergarden has sailed I try to understand why director/writer sailed this ship so early.What else they have in their minds for WG OTP? Jeong Won has a steady career but Gyeoul has few more years ahead to finish with her studies.

Do you think season 2 and 3 will be smooth for WG?

[leftphalange]

@kiklaminHo Initially I also thought it’s because he knew that Gyeoul likes his best friend or something like that but when I used other language as subtitle it seems he mentions Jeongwon just in case he is needed for the case.

And for the second question, I try to see it from Jeongwon’s priesthood view. WG dynamic is aligned with Jeongwon’s priesthood, and this issue had been lingering on him since episode 1. In fact, I think if this issue keeps being dragged until the next season it felt so exhausting. Honestly, I can’t imagine yet what WG will be in season 2 but deep down I hope they won't use another marriage thing issue in the drama. Besides, it’s already well described by Bidulgi couple, I don’t think if doctors have not finished their study yet it always means they are not ready to get married.

 

 

I’m very much aware that maybe many of WG-ers (including me) are insecure with what will happen to them. There must be some obstacles I’m sure but as we already seen the first season, all the problems solved with the least dramatic way. Ikjun's divorcement, Songhwa's illness, Seokhyeong's father death, Bidulgi long-distance relationship, Jaehak’s house fraud, Jeongwon’s priesthood, all are done very subtle. The most dramatic part in the drama are the patient’s scenes, and one where Seokhyeong's mom cried (His father infidelity story). Shin PD also told that HP is not a melodramatic. My positive self still believes, if there is any problem between them, we won't see them suffering too much (hopefully!). This also applies to other characters.

[Sorary]

3 hours ago, leftphalange said:

all are done very subtle. The most dramatic part in the drama are the patient’s scenes,

agree with you...

i think maybe its about communication between both of them..as we know geul wol is straight foward girl but knowing as less reaction make her seen cool..while jeong won tend to repress his feeling where mostly he friend can read..so i wonder how both of them reading each other