Min2206 49,266 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 King : You are a flipping amazing actress. Yes, she is .. Shin Hye Sun - you nailed it! 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites
backstreetboysfan 8,474 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 @YongZura⁷ᴮᴱ Thanks for the video's! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
maria_m2me 4,014 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 The concubine has "victim mentality" since she's child, and that mental sickness makes her has her own delusional as the right owner of the king, as the right owner of happiness as King's wife and become the Queen. Damn!!!! Why I keep repeating to scold to that concubine in my head?!?!? Especially after the preview About the preview Spoiler Based on the storyline from to the webdrama, there's indeed an accident, but the one who would get hurt not The Queen, but The Concubine. And that accident made others blame the Queen especially the King. But later The King knew that's The Concubine's trap for The Queen because The Concubine start to have ambition about The Queen's position. Then after knew the truth, The King came to the queen and still he had feeling about the Concubine, that's why the king asked the queen to forgive the concubine. As I remember based on the webdrama storyline, when the king knew that concubine tried to hurt the queen for the first time, the king was the one who asked forgiveness. But for the 2nd one, the queen who asked the forgiveness, for the 2nd one the king already fallen for the queen plus that time the queen's pregnant with his baby. Nah with the queen asked the king to forgive the concubine, the king more fallen to his queen. Then finally king knew that the Concubine has lied to him because of "love", the king seemed dislike that reason Need to more The King and The Queen please... I want our Mr Queen not only knew the pain of monthly period times, but also morning sickness, and the happiness about pregnancy please... Hahahahahahaha... Sorry my silly dream chingu, but this is one of my medicine when I need to wait till Saturday, 6 days to go... 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kyakyari 552 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 @aislingdefinitely, vote for reality!!! Cheoljong needs suprising partner he looks so handsome in that scene, i guess because his outfit. maybe would be good in his night-duty outfit (ommo!!) 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Lady_Lara 1,757 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 minutes ago, maria_m2me said: The concubine has "victim mentality" since she's child, and that mental sickness makes her has her own delusional as the right owner of the king, as the right owner of happiness as King's wife and become the Queen. Damn!!!! Why I keep repeating to scold to that concubine in my head?!?!? Especially after the preview About the preview Hide contents Based on the storyline from to the webdrama, there's indeed an accident, but the one who would get hurt not The Queen, but The Concubine. And that accident made others blame the Queen especially the King. But later The King knew that's The Concubine's trap for The Queen because The Concubine start to have ambition about The Queen's position. Then after knew the truth, The King came to the queen and still he had feeling about the Concubine, that's why the king asked the queen to forgive the concubine. As I remember based on the webdrama storyline, when the king knew that concubine tried to hurt the queen for the first time, the king was the one who asked forgiveness. But for the 2nd one, the queen who asked the forgiveness, for the 2nd one the king already fallen for the queen plus that time the queen's pregnant with his baby. Nah with the queen asked the king to forgive the concubine, the king more fallen to his queen. Then finally king knew that the Concubine has lied to him because of "love", the king seemed dislike that reason Need to more The King and The Queen please... I want our Mr Queen not only knew the pain of monthly period times, but also morning sickness, and the happiness about pregnancy please... Hahahahahahaha... Sorry my silly dream chingu, but this is one of my medicine when I need to wait till Saturday, 6 days to go... I’m with you! I also want our Queen get pregnant but more then this I want the king and the Queen confess their true feelings to each other and again have hot make out session 3 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites
backstreetboysfan 8,474 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I say confess their true feelings to each other they get pregnant. 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Abs_ triggered 101,724 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Mr queen maybe need more self thought lesson about controlling his desire 6 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites
louisawatson 3,556 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 5 hours ago, orion00 said: I don't know why I'm thinking the ending of this drama is the king and queen leaving the royal palace and lives like normal people. The queen open a restaurant somewhere and bring the korean dish to another level. Because historically the queen and king are died young right? Maybe they fake their death and live like ordinary people. And I think the cousin will helped them escape because he care with the queen so much. Both king and queen faking death is quite unrealistic even for this drama. That's asking for another palace disaster. Also, the drama is very open about people knowing their faces. Closest thing it could happen is that Cheol Jong abdicates and gives his throne to his half-brother, Prince Yeong Phyeong (if his ending is a good guy). Then Cheol Jong and So Bong leave the palace and So Bong opens a restaurant. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Madu Mita 1,617 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, louisawatson said: Both king and queen faking death is quite unrealistic even for this drama. That's asking for another palace disaster. Also, the drama is very open about people knowing their faces. Closest thing it could happen is that Cheol Jong abdicates and gives his throne to his half-brother, Prince Yeong Phyeong (if his ending is a good guy). Then Cheol Jong and So Bong leave the palace and So Bong opens a restaurant. That’s not possible , the king is a real historical figure ant that would change history. He’s meant to die without an heir so the last Joseon King can put on the throne, if his brother becomes king the whole lineage changes and probably the history too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
aisling 18,006 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Madu Mita said: That’s not possible , the king is a real historical figure ant that would change history. He’s meant to die without an heir so the last Joseon King can put on the throne, if his brother becomes king the whole lineage changes and probably the history too. I’m not sure about the historical figures, seems like the production team wants to distance themselves from the real history. They always emphasize all characters and events are fictional. Talking about consequences, if So Bong manages to take revenge on Mr Han and he’s unable to continue his lineage... It means in the future Jang Bong Hwan will never fall into a pool and he’ll never meet Cheoljong... I’m sure So Bong will come to the same conclusion as a way to “reset” everything. Oh no, now I made myself tremble... They’re not going to end it like this, right????????? With Bong Hwan resetting everything like nothing ever happened... like... like Cheoljong never existed.... 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites
louisawatson 3,556 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 READ AFTER WATCHING EP10 The King definitely has more feeling toward So Bong than HwaJin. HwaJin is kindhearted savior that puts comfort to him, but it was never big. All they have is that little past. Sure, very important, but still tiny moment compared to his whole life. Both King and HwaJin hardly know each other. Both only cling to that tiny moment in the past. King because that's the only comfort he had in his whole life. HwaJin because that's only moment when she won So Yong and gained someone who So Yong couldn't. However, as King spent time together with So Bong, he became interested in So Bong's brash manner that doesn't hide any motivation. He learned that So Bong is kindhearted in her own way, and she can be in danger just like him. Slowly, king learned that they are not so different and perhaps he could trust her a little. He can let himself slip from his facade. It's okay if he's neither exactly a dumb king (for kim clan) nor iron-willed king (for rebels). It's okay for him to show his true self and vulnerable side. He tells her his true hurtful feeling. He can trust So Bong to keep the secret. He can let himself go in front of her. Cheol Jong saw HwaJin when he needed someone to save him in the well. HwaJin is a savior to him. Someone the king is always grateful for. HwaJin knows this well since she actually said that's king's weakness to Prince Yeong Phyeong. However, that's where it ends. He can't open himself to her. She's a comfort, but he's not comfortable with her. That's why only when king saw it's So Bong in the room that he hugged the queen, and didn't let go. So Bong is the greatest comfort to Cheol Jong because he's comfortable with the queen. He can express his vulnerable feeling to So Bong. The queen wouldn't use it against him (kim clan) or tell him to get hold of himself (rebels). So Bong will listen to him and comfort him, then keep the secret. Anyway, I'm glad that King kind of admitted his feeling for So Bong when HwaJin asked if he has a feeling for the queen. He answered "I can't have a feeling for the queen." HwaJin retorted "You can't, not that you don't." (because of Kim clan) After the nightmare, he again thinks about So Bong. There is no hints of HwaJin at all. The one that he trusts to keep the nightmare away is So Bong. - Anyway, HwaJin is not dumb enough to wear queen's accessory outside. I wonder if she wore it in front of Prince Yeong Phyeong because she trusts him or she knew he doesn't have knowledge to point it out. Well, at least I'm glad that the final point of her fully going against So Bong is because of her maid. I understand of her thinking the culprit is kim clan (because it is, even though that body might not be her maid). However, Her thought that queen has anything to do with it is just her jealousy and inferiority complex taking over. It's quite unfortunate that she's pretty dumb and continue to be a puppet for the queen dowager. But still, she wouldn't be that dumb to shoot arrow at the queen. It could be an animal behind So Bong or it could be just editing to make preview more exciting. 1 hour ago, Madu Mita said: That’s not possible , the king is a real historical figure ant that would change history. He’s meant to die without an heir so the last Joseon King can put on the throne, if his brother becomes king the whole lineage changes and probably the history too. Every episode, the drama reminded us that all the people and place are fictional and not real history. Also, this is fantasy. The history is already changed the moment Jang Bong Hwan took over queen's body. So Bong created this whole new kinds of food and teaching other chefs how to cook them. Queen even made a face mask and food carrier. Also, the theme of drama seems to be not giving up on one's life and brave oneself to continue to live on. 44 minutes ago, aisling said: Talking about consequences, if So Bong manages to take revenge on Mr Han and he’s unable to continue his lineage... It means in the future Jang Bong Hwan will never fall into a pool and he’ll never meet Cheoljong... I’m sure So Bong will come to the same conclusion as a way to “reset” everything. I'm pretty sure So Bong's plan is not going to work. It's injustice and making the female lead evil. Therefore, Bong Hwan will return to modern era later to solve his own problem. 11 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Lady_Lara 1,757 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 23 minutes ago, louisawatson said: READ AFTER WATCHING EP10 The King definitely has more feeling toward So Bong than HwaJin. HwaJin is kindhearted savior that puts comfort to him, but it was never big. All they have is that little past. Sure, very important, but still tiny moment compared to his whole life. Both King and HwaJin hardly know each other. Both only cling to that tiny moment in the past. King because that's the only comfort he had in his whole life. HwaJin because that's only moment when she won So Yong and gained someone who So Yong couldn't. However, as King spent time together with So Bong, he became interested in So Bong's brash manner that doesn't hide any motivation. He learned that So Bong is kindhearted in her own way, and she can be in danger just like him. Slowly, king learned that they are not so different and perhaps he could trust her a little. He can let himself slip from his facade. It's okay if he's exactly neither a dumb king (for kim clan) nor iron-willed king (for rebels). It's okay for him to show his true self and vulnerable side. He tells her his true hurtful feeling. He can trust So Bong to keep the secret. He can let himself go in front of her. Cheong Jong saw HwaJin when he needed someone to save him in the well. HwaJin is a savior to him. Someone the king is always grateful for. HwaJin knows this well since she actually said that's king's weakness to Prince Yeong Phyeong. However, that's where it ends. He can't open himself to her. She's a comfort, but he's not comfortable with her. That's why only when king saw it's So Bong in the room that he hugged the queen, and didn't let go. So Bong is the greatest comfort to Cheol Jong because he's comfortable with the queen. He can express his vulnerable feeling to So Bong. The queen wouldn't use it against him (kim clan) or tell him to get hold of himself (rebels). So Bong will listen to him and comfort him, then keep the secret. Anyway, I'm glad that King kind of admitted his feeling for So Bong when HwaJin asked if he has a feeling for the queen. He answered "I can't have a feeling for the queen." HwaJin retorted "You can't, not that you don't." (because of Kim clan) After the nightmare, he again thinks about So Bong. There is no hints of HwaJin at all. The one that he trusts to keep the nightmare away is So Bong. - Anyway, HwaJin is not dumb enough to wear queen's accessory outside. I wonder if she wore it in front of Prince Yeong Phyeong because she trusts him or she knew he doesn't have knowledge to point it out. Well, at least I'm glad that the final point of her fully going against So Bong is because of her maid. I understand of her thinking the culprit is kim clan (because it is, even though that body might not be her maid). However, Her thought that queen has anything to do with it is just her jealousy and inferiority complex taking over. It's quite unfortunate that she's pretty dumb and continue to be a puppet for the queen dowager. But still, she wouldn't be that dumb to shoot arrow at the queen. It could be an animal behind So Bong or it could be just editing to make preview more exciting. Every episode, the drama reminded us that all the people and place are fictional and not real history. Also, this is fantasy. The history is already changed the moment Jang Bong Hwan took over queen's body. So Bong created this whole new kinds of food and teaching other chefs how to cook them. Queen even made a face mask and food carrier. Also, the theme of drama seems to be not giving up on one's life and brave oneself to continue to live on. I'm pretty sure So Bong's plan is not going to work. It's injustice and making the female lead evil. Therefore, Bong Hwan will return to modern era later to solve his own problem. Thank you! Thank so much for your thoughts! It’s like a medicine for my anxiety for new episodes 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
backstreetboysfan 8,474 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Episode 10 was great, loved our OTP scenes . 1 Link to post Share on other sites
maria_m2me 4,014 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, aisling said: I’m not sure about the historical figures, seems like the production team wants to distance themselves from the real history. They always emphasize all characters and events are fictional. Talking about consequences, if So Bong manages to take revenge on Mr Han and he’s unable to continue his lineage... It means in the future Jang Bong Hwan will never fall into a pool and he’ll never meet Cheoljong... I’m sure So Bong will come to the same conclusion as a way to “reset” everything. Oh no, now I made myself tremble... They’re not going to end it like this, right????????? With Bong Hwan resetting everything like nothing ever happened... like... like Cheoljong never existed.... As I remember this drama took period around 2nd year of Cheoljong as the king, and the history said that he's died in his 13th year and later he only had daughter, all his sons died in young ages... Spoiler Suddenly I remember Moon Lovers, Wang Soo indeed had children from his queen only. In last episode, when Wang Soo (LJG) knew he had daughter from IU, he let his brother came to city and gave order to let his daughter came to palace. And you knew in the end, based on history, the one who become queen later, the one who married with his son was that daughter. That period step brother-step sister could marry, because Wang Soo actually married her own step sister right? Same father, different mother. I knew that all were fictional character. They could made anything became possible. In my own imagination, because this was in his 2nd year, maybe he could got success to handle the Kim clan and made the court not dominated by Kim and Jo clan. He took alot women from each clan to let them fight in court. He used enemy's enemy as a tool... I remember, the original title from this drama was Queen Cheorin. Nah I completely believe that The Concubine never able to get that Queen title. And Mr. Queen would help and be the strongest ally for the king, to handle Kim and Jo clan. The king should realize that Jo clan also not as pure as he thought, same like The Concubine. That's all about greedy for more power. 3 hours ago, louisawatson said: READ AFTER WATCHING EP10 The King definitely has more feeling toward So Bong than HwaJin. HwaJin is kindhearted savior that puts comfort to him, but it was never big. All they have is that little past. Sure, very important, but still tiny moment compared to his whole life. Both King and HwaJin hardly know each other. Both only cling to that tiny moment in the past. King because that's the only comfort he had in his whole life. HwaJin because that's only moment when she won So Yong and gained someone who So Yong couldn't. However, as King spent time together with So Bong, he became interested in So Bong's brash manner that doesn't hide any motivation. He learned that So Bong is kindhearted in her own way, and she can be in danger just like him. Slowly, king learned that they are not so different and perhaps he could trust her a little. He can let himself slip from his facade. It's okay if he's neither exactly a dumb king (for kim clan) nor iron-willed king (for rebels). It's okay for him to show his true self and vulnerable side. He tells her his true hurtful feeling. He can trust So Bong to keep the secret. He can let himself go in front of her. Cheol Jong saw HwaJin when he needed someone to save him in the well. HwaJin is a savior to him. Someone the king is always grateful for. HwaJin knows this well since she actually said that's king's weakness to Prince Yeong Phyeong. However, that's where it ends. He can't open himself to her. She's a comfort, but he's not comfortable with her. That's why only when king saw it's So Bong in the room that he hugged the queen, and didn't let go. So Bong is the greatest comfort to Cheol Jong because he's comfortable with the queen. He can express his vulnerable feeling to So Bong. The queen wouldn't use it against him (kim clan) or tell him to get hold of himself (rebels). So Bong will listen to him and comfort him, then keep the secret. Anyway, I'm glad that King kind of admitted his feeling for So Bong when HwaJin asked if he has a feeling for the queen. He answered "I can't have a feeling for the queen." HwaJin retorted "You can't, not that you don't." (because of Kim clan) After the nightmare, he again thinks about So Bong. There is no hints of HwaJin at all. The one that he trusts to keep the nightmare away is So Bong. - Anyway, HwaJin is not dumb enough to wear queen's accessory outside. I wonder if she wore it in front of Prince Yeong Phyeong because she trusts him or she knew he doesn't have knowledge to point it out. Well, at least I'm glad that the final point of her fully going against So Bong is because of her maid. I understand of her thinking the culprit is kim clan (because it is, even though that body might not be her maid). However, Her thought that queen has anything to do with it is just her jealousy and inferiority complex taking over. It's quite unfortunate that she's pretty dumb and continue to be a puppet for the queen dowager. But still, she wouldn't be that dumb to shoot arrow at the queen. It could be an animal behind So Bong or it could be just editing to make preview more exciting. Every episode, the drama reminded us that all the people and place are fictional and not real history. Also, this is fantasy. The history is already changed the moment Jang Bong Hwan took over queen's body. So Bong created this whole new kinds of food and teaching other chefs how to cook them. Queen even made a face mask and food carrier. Also, the theme of drama seems to be not giving up on one's life and brave oneself to continue to live on. I'm pretty sure So Bong's plan is not going to work. It's injustice and making the female lead evil. Therefore, Bong Hwan will return to modern era later to solve his own problem. When the king realized that the one who he hug was the queen, he told the queen comfortably about his nightmare. He felt save when he hug the queen like that. Then I really loved when the king hopelessly said that "I'm person who can't love the Queen" to answer Concubine's question "Did you have change your heart?" And right, concubine had highlight about his statement "You didn't say did not but can not", that meant he already loved but he realized he didn't have the right to love.... 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites
uglypearl 27,433 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 In latest episode So Bong asked self what was s/he forgetting... It seems s/he's starting to forget her original plan to find way to return to modern times and go back to original body. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Madu Mita 1,617 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I think its still to far fetched to assume the King will abdicate. It won't be a part of his charector either since he seems to care about that position greatly. People here think since it's a fantasy drama, they will take liberty woth historical facts, but I personally don't think they will strecth history that far. In the original chinese drama, it was a fictional kingdom. I think the writer chose actual historical figures for a reason, and I think though it might be over the top, taking some creative liberties, the drama makes it clear it doesn't edit or gloss over important moments of history. The purge the royal chef's family went through is a historical fact, the purge and the rivalry between the Kim and the Jo clan are real. I think the drama takes historical interpreatation in things that don't have strong historical backing, like what happened then and there at the Palace. like there are certain liberties like bong teaching them cooking, makeup etc... There's only one fusion time travel drama with real historical figures, moonlovers. In that histoy doesn;t change but the heroine leaves her makeup knowledge, and she finds her products in future exhibhit. I think it will be something like that. From the preview, looks like Bong Hwan found his nemesis's ancestor's, if he tries to wipe them clean or harm them, I think that's exactly will lead to problems for him in the future. Maybe the time travel is cyclical, how his actions in the past will affect the future. We'll see. This show was just in a bit of controversy for distorting history in the first few episodes, if it deliberately changes history , it will cause confusion and go in to trouble probably. I think its historical-fanatsy fusion, but it's very hard to predict the end now. Given the ligh hearted nature of this drama,we can only tell from episode 15 , what path it will end. Sweet , tragic or predictable. I watched the original drama a bit, and there the queen gets pregnant, gives birth etc... so we really have to wait and see. Now time wise, it's moving very slowly, so maybe So Young's soul will return, or Sobong will have to get used more than just skirts, or breaking "no touch" lol. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites
reddragon 472 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Is the King able to read and write? I thought he didn't. There was a scene where his ally was reading a martial arts book to him and explaining the content. What gives? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
YongZura⁷ᴮᴱ 47,791 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, reddragon said: Is the King able to read and write? I thought he didn't. There was a scene where his ally was reading a martial arts book to him and explaining the content. What gives? He can... he's just acting it .... so that others don't be suspicious of him. However, in yesterday's episode it seems he has been given a "warning" after his action during the meeting with the ministers plus the extra info by Byeong in. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
poopytubby 397 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, reddragon said: Is the King able to read and write? I thought he didn't. There was a scene where his ally was reading a martial arts book to him and explaining the content. What gives? adding on to @YongZura⁷ᴮᴱ's reply, i think it's just that inspector hong was more familiar with the content so he was explaining/summarising it for him - it's a more efficient way of learning since he can't take the daytime to read it. doesn't mean he can't read the book himself. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
louisawatson 3,556 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Read what I quoted. Somebody said king and queen might fake their death and live secretly, so I said "closest (to that idea) thing can happen is king abdicating, so that king and queen can live peacefully." Because that's more in character than them faking their death. Obviously, I was not seriously saying that's what will happen in the drama. Moon Lovers didn't scream at viewers that it's fake and not related to history. Also, Hae Soo was still a palace lady. It's hard to be influential with that situation. Face masks to prince and prince's wife who hardly had influence at that time. Compare that to face mask to grand queen dowgar who controls the king. (Who is also related to Queen protagoinst) The princes were not even interested while grand queen dowgar is so interested that she's trying to make sure other servants learn queen protagonist's recipes and whatnot. Viewers see a warning every single time that it's not historical related. They know it's fantasy comedy. Queen Protagoinst, from powerful clan, is already messing with modern ideas in Joseon era. It won't be that surprising if the history changes. Drama trends are slow, but it does catch up. There are bunch of Korean novels that change history after modern era protagoinst travels back in time. Kdrama won't necessarily follow every single parts of original drama. Also, the reason for taking real historical figures is because it's more impactful and easier to write a story based on popular well-known topic. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
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