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@aisling thanks for explaining this to me, i guess i was a little sensitive too because i have previously considered how the ending which i preferred could possibly be interpreted as advocating a heteronormative agenda. anyway i didn't want to leave it unaddressed since it's a completely valid concern and i think it's good that this is being discussed (this may also be the intention of the original novel/drama's writers anyway).

 

interesting that that's how the novel addressed the whole switcheroo. that's something pretty out of what i would imagine tbh, and not in a bad way. just based on the k-drama alone, i guess we haven't seen enough of the queen to know if she was uncomfortable with her body before the switching incident happened. assuming the flirting scene was reality, i interpreted her flirting with a man in a way like, how bong hwan (who is currently still portraying a masculine straight man) was flirting with women in joseon. in a sense that she likes men and being in a more liberal society allowed her to pursue sexual/romantic relationships of her choice? hearing your explanation of the original novel does make me curious as to how this drama interpret the story, it'll be nice if they somewhat followed it. i agree with your point about how gender and preferences aren't fixed, and the prevalence of heteronormativity definitely sometimes limits how we perceive our own sexuality. it would definitely be quite ground breaking to discuss these topics respectfully on mainstream television, but given the conservativity of media in this region plus with the running joke of bong hwan and his attachment to his er, manly parts... i won't hold on to too much hope lel. (kdrama gods, pls feel free to prove me wrong)

 

on a lighter note, im really excited for what's to come now with all the theories going around. not just with the relationship between the king and the queen, but also the secrets surrounding the queen, concubine, and king. honestly these weekends dont come fast enough... ARGH shin hye sun and kim jung hyun are driving me nuts...

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The Tale Of The King’s Failed Mission   Our king had a very important mission, he even sent his brother away in order to succeed in his task.   5 minutes later.  

Watching it with subs made the final episode even worse.   I’m so tired of people saying So Bong was only influenced by So Yong’s emotions and feelings. You people had your happy generic het

hi... anyone have the link to watch it live...:Pandabulous:

4 hours ago, aisling said:

I read people speculating the most probable ending would be Jang Bong Hwan and So Yong switching back to their timelines after Cheoljong falls in love with Bong Hwan. That Bong Hwan was only meant to mend their relationship so that So Yong and Cheoljong could live happily ever after. And people seem to be okay with it. Seriously?

 

Am I the only one who would be insanely furious if that turned out to be the ending? Like seriously what kind of freaking message would it send???!!
 

They’ll literally make one man falling in love with the other (because let’s be straight, it’s all Bong Hwan that makes Cheoljong interest in the queen again) and they’ll make So Yong come back because we’re in 2020 and people are still “NO HOMO”?!!

 

I know I’d be very unhappy with that conclusion and it would ruin otherwise so well written and acted drama. That would be the most “bury your gays” ending in the history of television. 

omg same as what i was thinking ... in the end the king will love Bong Hwan and am sure he will love him back... so why not leave it like this... or they will use the reincarnation storyline that Bong Hwan was the Ssoyoung in the past life & they will meet & have their character & history shared between them... but to switch to normal that i will really hate to see...

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The more they show the backstory of So Yong, the more invested I am about her. At this point, I honestly don't care about the romance -- whether it'll be Bong Hwan in Queen's Body & King, or real Queen & King, or same soul of BH and SY. I know we are still far from the conclusion of this drama, but I just really want to see that the real So Yong gets her happy ending, whatever that may be.

 

Anyway, I find it interesting when during the end, we hear So Yong's voiceover after Bong Hwan's when they are talking making up for each other's weakness and saving each other.

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I am also more interested in the real SoYong's story. When she told the concubine, that she, too, will lose something precious, I don't really think she meant the king. In the flashback it shows that she was prepared to become the queen, and yet she seemingly easily wanted to give up her position as the queen. 

 

Of course there are a lot of puzzle pieces still missing: What did the concubine lie to the king about? Why and when did So Yong attempt to kill the king (without his knowledge, but the concubine knows and hasn't told him about)? 

 

And the preview shows that SoYong is in Bong Hwan's body enjoying the modern world. A nice twist, which explains why he couldn't return to his body. 

 

I really enjoyed the scenes between MrQueen and the kitchen staff - I really have a soft spot for the Royal Chef, the poor cynical guy, and of course Hong Yeong and Court Lady Choi and Mr Queen dancing in the rain while they try to cover her up. I enjoy it far more than the scenes between the concubine and everyone else. So far she either looks teary-eyed or glaring in all of her scenes. It's funny Mr Queen tries to find favour with her, and yet doesn't understand the contempt shown by the concubine towards him. 

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I am more and more intrigued about each one's back story we're not halfway through so I am getting impatient (in a good way ofcourse). LOL

 

I watched ep 6 through live stream today and it looks like the King is determined to focus his attention on his Queen as his wife. I just cant trust Hwa Jin and Prince YP one bit, Hwa Jin especially. I can't say more because I didn't even understand everything that they were saying lol

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It looks like the BH is returning to his body but he was dying so his soul went back to the Queen's.

 

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Just watch the raw episode, and the queen collapse and from what I understand from the royal chef that he has no breath because in the modern world BH was in cardiac arrest, and based on the preview I think the king is genuinely concern to his wife. 

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I have watched live streaming... And I really need next week soon.

 

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The concubine wanna consummate with the king, she wanna have kid with the king, but suddenly the queen collapse. And the preview for episode 7, the king will choose the Queen because the queen suddenly not breathe again.

 

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I honestly dont really care about SoYong soul or her happy ending if it means that we get a crappy story development which would be chef returning and queens soul returning and king and SoYong live happily ever after to me that would be boring and nothing different or unique. 

 

To me the more interesting story is Mr Queen and King becoming a thing but Im not sure if Korea will go that route but I do think the King will fall for Mr Queen. 

2 hours ago, agenth said:

I am also more interested in the real SoYong's story. When she told the concubine, that she, too, will lose something precious, I don't really think she meant the king. In the flashback it shows that she was prepared to become the queen, and yet she seemingly easily wanted to give up her position as the queen. 

 

Of course there are a lot of puzzle pieces still missing: What did the concubine lie to the king about? Why and when did So Yong attempt to kill the king (without his knowledge, but the concubine knows and hasn't told him about)? 

 

And the preview shows that SoYong is in Bong Hwan's body enjoying the modern world. A nice twist, which explains why he couldn't return to his body. 

 

I really enjoyed the scenes between MrQueen and the kitchen staff - I really have a soft spot for the Royal Chef, the poor cynical guy, and of course Hong Yeong and Court Lady Choi and Mr Queen dancing in the rain while they try to cover her up. I enjoy it far more than the scenes between the concubine and everyone else. So far she either looks teary-eyed or glaring in all of her scenes. It's funny Mr Queen tries to find favour with her, and yet doesn't understand the contempt shown by the concubine towards him. 

 

Preview doesnt really show that? Im pretty sure that club scene was his imagination

8 hours ago, aisling said:

I read people speculating the most probable ending would be Jang Bong Hwan and So Yong switching back to their timelines after Cheoljong falls in love with Bong Hwan. That Bong Hwan was only meant to mend their relationship so that So Yong and Cheoljong could live happily ever after. And people seem to be okay with it. Seriously?

 

Am I the only one who would be insanely furious if that turned out to be the ending? Like seriously what kind of freaking message would it send???!!
 

They’ll literally make one man falling in love with the other (because let’s be straight, it’s all Bong Hwan that makes Cheoljong interest in the queen again) and they’ll make So Yong come back because we’re in 2020 and people are still “NO HOMO”?!!

 

I know I’d be very unhappy with that conclusion and it would ruin otherwise so well written and acted drama. That would be the most “bury your gays” ending in the history of television. 

 

Nah I would be annoyed also it would make me very mad. 

 

Regarding episode 7 preview

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im guessing while trying to save the chef his soul returns and the queen stays unconcious until he returns?

 

I sort of hope his chef body dies so he cant return. 

 

 

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From the preview for eps 7, both share same soul. So the soul of chef JBH comes back to his body for a while (the scene where he wakes upnin the hospital). But he suddenly back to state of unconsciousness. That moment, the soul goes to the queen (the scene where the queen suddenly wakes up). So, where is queen soul going? Is it gonna be a sad ending?

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The king misunderstanding of the current queen "no touch" phrase is so hilarious.

He even mentioned the "no touchi" phrase when he tried to persuade her AHAHA 

 

Now I know the reason why they choose this drama title as "No Touch Princess" before they change it to Mr Queen.

But I like "Mr Queen" better since she is not a princess and the main wife of the king.

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Yay, my ship! The king has to endure some suffering tho before he can win the queen's heart:D

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Two man (king and her adopted cousin) are fighting over her yet the queen still oblivious and trying to look cool in front of Hwa Jin:lol:

 

About Bong Hwan and So Yong soul swapping theory,

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I think that reincarnation is the way the screenwriter can convince audiences about the main leads mutual romance without being unfair to Bong Hwan or So Yong.

 

I feel the scenes of her asking her adopted cousin to call her name because she feel like she is not herself and the "Desert Your False Self" word that she sew before she threw herself in the lake kinda giving hint about this theory. In episode 5 there is a scene in the kitchen where the little girl asked the current queen whether her dog is a human in other life and she replied "Maybe"

 

If "they are different soul but swapped to help each other" theory, then it is weird not because the current queen is man in modern time but it kinda deceiving the king when they have mutual romance since she is using other people's body.

 

If "Bong Hwan is descendent of the queen" theory then it more weird because isn't it like the current queen romancing her ancestor's husband?

 

So for now I believe the "Jang Bong Hwan in the future is the reincarnation of the Kim So Yong in the past" theory.

 

 

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I'm actually started to invest in the background story of the real queen. However, I assume she's already passed away. The kdrama only purchases the license for the webseries (not the novel), and I could see it's more similar to the series than the novel. That's why JBH is in a coma, and the real queen is dead (like in the original webseries).

 

Even so, I feel this is very unfair to the real Soyong if she doesn't come back. In the original version (either in the novel or in the webseries), the real queen has a bad character. She also did a few tricks so that she could be matched with the crown prince. Meanwhile, in the kdrama, Soyong has a warm and kind heart. It has been shown that she has a different personality from Zhang Shi. There are many things about Soyong that are unrevealed, and she is also the victim of Hwa Jin's lies. So it seems the kdrama wants us to invest in this character, and I am invested already. She needs justice!

 

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This scene made me SUPER ANGRY AT HIM ARRGGHHH

 

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However, at the same time, if Soyong comes back and the chef return to his era (if they are different souls), I don't think Soyong will be able to fit herself between the king and the Andong Kim's clan. She's vulnerable to Andong Kim's pressure, and the king surely notice changes in her behavior and decision. Meanwhile, he fell for her when the person inside her was the chef. So if that's the ending, it will only leave the audience a confusion. I feel like it leads to a poor and lousy conclusion and the drama doesn't resolve the problem. However, the production team themselves already mentioned, they make this drama to fight gender stereotypes. So I believe they won't make Soyong comes back to support what they are fighting/against to

 

Or the drama might show some flashbacks about Soyong in future episodes, and make us feel sorry for her even more. And the king feels guilty for badly treating the queen all this time and then fall in love with her (as the previous Soyong, not the chef). However, this is more likely not to happen. Because in the c-drama, they clearly drew a line between love and pity. It's a message that the original webseries brought. Qi-sheng said and explained that he realizes his feelings for Jiang Shi were all pity, but he didn't realize it. And I don't think the kdrama will make Cheoljung's feelings to the beloved character Soyong like Qi-sheng's feelings to Jiang Shi.

 

So the last resorts are if the queen comes back, (1) whether the chef and the queen are the same soul (the chef is the reincarnation of the queen, I really hope this comes true) or (2) two souls merge in one body. But if the queen doesn't really come back and there is a romance, these are probably the ending:

  • (3) the chef transforms into the queen herself and accepts the femininity inside her/him (like in the c-drama),
  • (4) and/or eventually they'll give us a sad ending like the original series (the king died and the chef returns to the modern era)
  • (5) Another possible ending, he'll meet the king in the modern era as a woman.  

However, this is a comedy-drama, and the original script ends with a happy ending. The webseries does not provide a happy ending due to government restrictions, and it doesn't apply in South Korea. So let's hope, kdrama doesn't have a sad end like the original webseries.


 

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@Kaizen68 Your post was very insightful! I’m rooting for the whole Mr Queen to stay strong till the end. If they wanted this drama to fight against the stereotypes I hope they’ll stay true to their words. I have no doubt they could make this drama groundbreaking if they wanted to (not giving into complaints and pressure from conservative Koreans).

 

1) As I posted before the most acceptable and for me most romantic conclusion would be that So Yong and Bong Hwan are actually the same soul. In this case it wouldn’t matter whether it’s So Yong or Bong Hwan who Cheoljong fell in love with because they’re the same person. And it wouldn’t feel that unfair to Cheoljong if he wasn’t told the truth.

 

2) Bong Hwan and So Yong are two different souls and they will eventually switch back to their original timelines. In this case the writer should make Cheoljong and Bong Hwan platonic friends with BH helping Cheoljong to understand So Yong more. But this conclusion would effectively make the drama pointless. 

 

And with the preview from episode 7 when Cheoljong proclaims the queen is his woman (and made me swoon), it doesn’t look like they’re going with platonic here.
 

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Hello, been lurking here for the past few days :)

 

This drama is crazy funny!! It's been a while I haven't laughed this much because of a drama! Their slapsticks and inside jokes are just hilarious, all the while crushing the more intense scenes! It's always a blast to see both mr queen and the king arguing their guts out. 

 

What I also find funny is how mr queen is just innocently trying to find a way to get back to his body, meanwhile everyone thinks "she"'s plotting for something huge (eg, when she visited the queen dowager for a ritual XD and got highly misunderstood). Can we also shout out to mrs Choi who is legit the most stressed character as the end of 2020 approaches HAHA i died when she went all the way to the forest to relieve her nagging!

 

I've read a few theories about what happened to the souls and honestly, I don't know how the writers will pull it. We'll just need to be patient and watch how the story unfolds. That being said, I have this feeling that the real queen's soul has been vanished and/or trapped and living very faintly in Bong Hwan's body which is in coma... But my hypothesis can't go further than this so... I'll just trust the writers on this. They did not disappoint so far ;)

 

Whatever happens, i sincerely want a love story between our main characters or at least more bedscenes xD!! Or maybe just more interactions between them, be it bromance or romance! Can't get enough of them hahaha

 

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I think that So Yong would definitely return....the shaman said she is possessed so I still think So Yong's soul is inside her body dormant as she wanted to escape so the Chef kind of is keeping her alive for now. Remember she keeps flashing back to So Yong's memories as well. Also historically, Queen Cheorin has to be alive, they can't toy with that.

I like how Bong Hwan is doing everything he can to charm Hwa Jin and everybody thinks its for either palace politics or a ploy to get close to Choljeong.

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12 hours ago, enzek said:

The king misunderstanding of the current queen "no touch" phrase is so hilarious.

He even mentioned the "no touchi" phrase when he tried to persuade her AHAHA 

 

LOL, these 2 really make me laughed so much ... on the NO TOUCHING rule.  Spent quite a few minute just arguing on that rule by the lake.   :loolz:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, backstreetboysfan said:

The King is starting to see the Queen in a new light. I can't wait for episode 7.

Me too @backstreetboysfan me too 

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“Mr. Queen” And “Homemade Love Story” Both Achieve Their Highest Ratings Yet

 

Both “Mr. Queen” and “Homemade Love Story” soared to new heights last night!

 

On December 27, tvN’s new hit “Mr. Queen” broke its own personal ratings record once again. The historical fantasy-comedy drama, which has been raking in more and more viewers with each new episode, scored an average nationwide rating of 11.8 percent, marking a new all-time high for the series.

 

Meanwhile, KBS 2TV’s “Homemade Love Story” also achieved its highest viewership ratings to date. According to Nielsen Korea, the latest episode of the popular drama scored average nationwide ratings of 31.2 percent and 33.2 percent for its two parts.

 

Congratulations to the cast and crew of both dramas!

 

https://www.soompi.com/article/1445699wpp/mr-queen-and-homemade-love-story-both-achieve-their-highest-ratings-yet

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