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The Tale Of The King’s Failed Mission   Our king had a very important mission, he even sent his brother away in order to succeed in his task.   5 minutes later.  

Watching it with subs made the final episode even worse.   I’m so tired of people saying So Bong was only influenced by So Yong’s emotions and feelings. You people had your happy generic het

 

 

Apparently there are 2 different cuts of the kissing scene in the spin off. The first video, SB went first she was the one kissed CJ while the second vid is vice versa.

 

Which one do you like, folks???

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13 hours ago, Sandy Prater said:

 

I agree with pretty much everything here. I think the writers just dropped the ball. They had so much fun with the relationship with SB and CJ that they didn't realize or didn't care that many fans would then be upset at the idea that the SB character would be replaced by SY and life just goes on. It's that lack of closure that kills me. Some times that could have been done instead:

 

1. The writers could have handled the transition better by fleshing out the SY character and having her play a more vital role so that we didn't feel she was undeserved or a thief like HwaJinJo. 
2. They could have made it made more clear that SY and BH were parallel lives/reincarnations of each other (though that still stings a little as reincarnations or not, it was the combination of both her body and his soul that made the person the king loved). Really felt the writers deliberately made it seem like SY was gone and dead. Even in his arguments with her, SB continually referred to SY's influence as the influence of the body...not a foreign concept seeing as how the mind is the repository of thoughts and feelings and when he took over her body, he was functioning with her organs and all. Wouldn't be the first drama which explored the idea that the body holds residual feelings from it previous owner.
3. They could have had Cheoljong acknowledge his loss and admit that he was settling and show his grief at losing something precious to him. More than just a puzzled look while looking at a book. I show more concern when I misplace my car keys than what I got from him in that scene. That would feed into the idea of the King's sacrifice (happiness in exchange for being a good ruler) and all like in Scarlet Heart Ryeo and Shine or Go Crazy. I mean, dang...do you know how many times SB saved his bacon and helped make his dream a realization? To then just marginalize her like that...so mad. 
4. Or...and this would have been the ultimate show of courage: have SB stay in Joseon. Have him go back to the future and wrap up his storyline. I imagine him fighting off Han who has come back to finish him off and having the police catch Han in the act and thereby clear BH's name but in that struggle being on the cusp of death and choosing (the choice is an important part here) to return to SY's body which has been in a catatonic state just like when he left that first time. Speaking of which, there's another false bit the writers threw at us. SY didn't just pop back up the first time the Queen returned to her body, again perpetuating the idea that she was dead and gone. 
 

I totally agree with everthing here.

Now that the working week is coming to an end, and work related matters no longer overwhelm my mind... I have time to ponder and rant on the ending. I understand that broadly speaking, there are two camps, and I am firmly concreted to the one that thinks the ending is awful.

 

After spending over 2 months really invested in the series, I seriously felt shafted of a coherent ending! I had hoped for a SB and CJ outcome because I was sure that was where it was heading. There were small hints throughout the series that BH and SY were becoming blended- e.g. the changing internal voice, the blending of memories and skills, the slip-of-the-tongue self referencing... Am I thinking too much into this. Maybe. But that was what a simple drama watching ahjumma like me thought it was moving towards. And to be honest, if this was the case- there shouldn't even be any concerns with the LGBT theme because SB had the lived experience of BOTH genders.

 

So, for those arguing that the ending was good... imagine my horror when 19.5 hours into a 20 hours series, the whole thing went insane. Suddenly SY was back after zero, I repeat ZERO, indication that she was still there. BH awoke in his future without being affected much re. his time in Joseon. Not only did he jump out of bed after months in a vegetative state, he hardly showed grief after leaving CJ in the past. Yes, he was pleased that CJ survived and became a great king- however, this just a couple of episodes after endless crying because SB missed him when he was out of the palace. And CJ, poor CJ doesn't know what hit him... he fell in love with SB but got SY instead and never got to know why the personality change. And those were just the main points because to go through all the loose ends, I will be here till tomorrow.

 

I'm upset because I feel cheated. I would call it a great ending if SY's presence in SB was shown, perhaps interacting with BH or CJ. I would even buy it, if they did a reveal of scenes where BH had blacked out/ unaware and SY took over. I would have happily bought internal dialogue between BH and SY in the last two episodes to establish she's there. But alas, NO... because that would make too much sense. Similarly, I would have called it a great ending if CJ knew about losing SB/BH and felt grief/ longing even though he was happy with SY. But NO, that didn't happen either. What we got was an incoherent/ half a** ending that made no narrative sense- it just felt like a big slap in the face to a spectacularly good 19 episodes!

 

There were so, so many different ways they could have concluded this to satisfy everybody but they chose the worse way- they wasted valuable time to tell/ progress the story with excessive angst and politics in the last few episode. Plus, if they had time and money to do the special, I wish they would have used it to complete the story instead of fan service, which seems pointless and poorly thought out. (E.g. The episode with SB and her male friends had both Byeong-In and Hwan, but when Hwan found out about SB being the queen, Byeong-In had already died.)

 

Having been through the trauma of Ghostess and MLSHR, I thought I will be immune to this but, I guess not. Thankyou for letting me air my grievances and get it off my chest- I'm hopeful I can return to functioning normally soon and may even try live watching another Kdrama in the future!

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51 minutes ago, meix2 said:

I totally agree with everthing here.

Now that the working week is coming to an end, and work related matters no longer overwhelm my mind... I have time to ponder and rant on the ending. I understand that broadly speaking, there are two camps, and I am firmly concreted to the one that thinks the ending is awful.

 

After spending over 2 months really invested in the series, I seriously felt shafted of a coherent ending! I had hoped for a SB and CJ outcome because I was sure that was where it was heading. There were small hints throughout the series that BH and SY were becoming blended- e.g. the changing internal voice, the blending of memories and skills, the slip-of-the-tongue self referencing... Am I thinking too much into this. Maybe. But that was what a simple drama watching ahjumma like me thought it was moving towards. And to be honest, if this was the case- there shouldn't even be any concerns with LGBT theme because SB had the lived expeirnce of BOTH genders.

 

So, for those arguing that the ending was good... imagine my horror when 19.5 hours into a 20 hours series, the whole thing went insane. Suddenly SY was back after zero, I repeat ZERO, indication that she was still there. BH awoke in his future without being affected much re. his time in Joseon. Not only did he jump out of bed after months in a vegetative state, he hardly showed grief after leaving CJ in the past. Yes, he was pleased that CJ survived and became a great king- however, this just a couple of episodes after endless crying because SB missed him when he was out of the palace. HeAnd CJ, poor CJ doesn't know what hit him... he fell in love with SB but got SY instead and nevergot to know why the personality change. And those were just the main points becuse to go through all the loose ends, I will be here till tomorrow.

 

I'm upset because I feel cheated. I would call it a great ending if SY's presence in SB was shown, perhaps interacting with BH or CJ. I would even buy it, if they did a reveal of scenes where BH had blacked out/ unaware and SY took over. I would have happily bought internal dialogue between BH and SY in the last two episodes to establish she's there. But alas, NO... because that would make too much sense. Similarly, I would have called it a great ending if CJ knew about losing SB/BH and felt grief/ longing even though he was happy with SY. But NO, that didn't happen either. What we got was an incoherent/ half a** ending that made no narrative sense- it just felt like a big slap in the face to a spectacularly good 19 episodes!

 

There were so, so many different ways they could have concluded this to satisfy everybody but they chose the worse way- they wasted valuable time to tell/ progress the story with excessive angst and politics in the last few episode. Plus, if they had time and money to do the special, I wish they would have used it to complete the story instead of fan service, which seems pointless and poorly thought out. (E.g. The episode with SB and her male friends had both Byeong-In and Hwan, but when Hwan found out about SB being the queen, Byeong-In had already died.)

 

Having been through the trauma of Ghostess and MLSHR, I thought I will be immune to this but, I guess not. Thankyou for letting me air my grievances and get it off my chest- I'm hopeful I can return to functioning normally soon and may even try live watching another Kdrama in the future!


The amount of people who were just silent lurkers or created account just to vent their dissatisfaction is telling. 
 

I think the most frustrating thing is that those previous 19 episodes were just SO GOOD. If the drama was terrible from the beginning, we would just throw it away and move on.
 

But the fact that they gave us the most daring and hilarious drama with the greatest love story in k-drama and then punched us in the face... that really hurt.


I still can’t decide if they chickened out and changed their minds halfway or they planned this nonsense ending from the start. 
 

The saddest thing is they didn’t even make Bong Hwan’s wish come true. 


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According to the history book Bong Hwan was reading, Cheoljong still died at 32 like in the original timeline.

 

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50 minutes ago, aisling said:

I think the most frustrating thing is that those previous 19 episodes were just SO GOOD. If the drama was terrible from the beginning, we would just throw it away and move on.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with this point!

Right from the first epsode, the characters were so engaging that I found I wished my week away and then watch the epidode in raw and then with subs. Yes, Mr. Queen was JUST THAT GOOD.

 

I really should have known better with Kdrama endings... it's not like I haven't been burnt before! There is a real growing sense of anxiety with watching drama live- although it is fun to go through it with everyone. I think I will be leaving live watching for a while... Even when I started 18 again on Netflix earlier this week, I skipped to the end to make sure it was a decent ending before I started. I know it's not as exciting to know the ending but honestly at my age, I am perfectly contented to not go through the emotional rollerrcoaster ride at the end.

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16 hours ago, N. S. said:

Why do you think "So Yong shows to Bong Hwan not to be selfish and think about other before self"?

 

I mean Soyeon is not saint. We know she tortured her maids before for whatever reason, even King told about it in the first episodes "oh, looks like her health is fine since she is torturing maids again". So Soyeon can also be selfish.

Do you believe BH can't have personal growth himself? I mean I watched people grow to be less selfish as they went through struggles. As they grew up. I watched movies with character growth.

Why do you think it's Soyeon making that BH changed in the end of the story after suffering all those wins and failures, pain and difficulties. Personally I think BH could grow up as a person by himself considering how much he went through, that he can have personal growth all by thanks to himself.

I could not comment yesterday because I exceed my comment post? I did not know they have maximum comment per day.

 

It's just how I view it. It might be different on your understanding but this is how I perceived the relationship of So Yong to Bong Hwan. Bong Hwan always thinks about himself. He likes I’m the best and I’m number one. Sure, everyone can grow with their own doing. But I believe in the interconnection of everyone. A vibration of one action affects the others. There's a saying to know who you are see yourself in others' person eyes and see what they will see. If So Yong's soul did not leave her body Bong Hwan will never be inside that body. He will remain in his real body in a vegetable state. He will not see how bad the situation before when there’s a slave and complete abuse of power. He will not see the hurt of So Yong because of King rejection. He will still be same as playboy type. If is not for So Yong body. What could happen then? Would he change? Other might think it's only the body, but without it what do you accomplish? Are you able to change? That’s why I love the series is not only about love and fun but life as well. How important our life (Body) to take it for granted. So Yong tried to kill herself but at the end wants to live to be with the King. It's shows at the End when she is bleeding she fight back to live for King and her baby. She matured and understand importance of life.

 

The karma of trying to end onelife it shows in the show. You are there but no being seen. No matter what you do, you will never be acknowledged. This is So Yong Karma because of her own doing. Yet higher power always can make disaster to be the best story of your life. Because of the karmatic problem she got the chance now with the King, which is the higher plan. The higher uses his power to use other people to help and save you. Also, this segment of Bong Hwan's life in that era will help him understand more about others. To value females and see how hard they go through with the monthly period. Being grateful to what is present now since old days have more problem than what you think in the future. Both of them learn from each other. 

 

I believe Bong Hwan learn something from So Yong views. I will end it like that. We don’t have same opinion and I respect that. It will just go round and round. I will not comment back after this because I don’t push my views to others. I just posted because I miss them and to explain why I love the ending. Not necessary to discuss why my view is acceptable than the others. That is why I don’t quote others views unless they asked me first. No point on making my view acceptable to them when they already have their end perception. Like as I said the series has many holes that our imagination can fill it up. It is up to us what kind of story we want to fill it in. Have a good day.

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2 hours ago, sean294251 said:

The karma of trying to end onelife it shows in the show. You are there but no being seen. No matter what you do, you will never be acknowledged. This is So Yong Karma because of her own doing. Yet higher power always can make disaster to be the best story of your life. Because of the karmatic problem she got the chance now with the King, which is the higher plan.


Just being curious, from what I know regarding karma in order to be given a second chance you need to do something to prove yourself worthy. According to your understanding of the drama what had SY did to deserve such chance?

 

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2 hours ago, sean294251 said:

I could not comment yesterday because I exceed my comment post? I did not know they have maximum comment per day.

 

It's just how I view it. It might be different on your understanding but this is how I perceived the relationship of So Yong to Bong Hwan. Bong Hwan always thinks about himself. He likes I’m the best and I’m number one. Sure, everyone can grow with their own doing. But I believe in the interconnection of everyone. A vibration of one action affects the others. There's a saying to know who you are see yourself in others' person eyes and see what they will see. If So Yong's soul did not leave her body Bong Hwan will never be inside that body. He will remain in his real body in a vegetable state. He will not see how bad the situation before when there’s a slave and complete abuse of power. He will not see the hurt of So Yong because of King rejection. He will still be same as playboy type. If is not for So Yong body. What could happen then? Would he change? Other might think it's only the body, but without it what do you accomplish? Are you able to change? That’s why I love the series is not only about love and fun but life as well. How important our life (Body) to take it for granted. So Yong tried to kill herself but at the end wants to live to be with the King. It's shows at the End when she is bleeding she fight back to live for King and her baby. She matured and understand importance of life.

 

The karma of trying to end onelife it shows in the show. You are there but no being seen. No matter what you do, you will never be acknowledged. This is So Yong Karma because of her own doing. Yet higher power always can make disaster to be the best story of your life. Because of the karmatic problem she got the chance now with the King, which is the higher plan. The higher uses his power to use other people to help and save you. Also, this segment of Bong Hwan's life in that era will help him understand more about others. To value females and see how hard they go through with the monthly period. Being grateful to what is present now since old days have more problem than what you think in the future. Both of them learn from each other. 

 

I believe Bong Hwan learn something from So Yong views. I will end it like that. We don’t have same opinion and I respect that. It will just go round and round. I will not comment back after this because I don’t push my views to others. I just posted because I miss them and to explain why I love the ending. Not necessary to discuss why my view is acceptable than the others. That is why I don’t quote others views unless they asked me first. No point on making my view acceptable to them when they already have their end perception. Like as I said the series has many holes that our imagination can fill it up. It is up to us what kind of story we want to fill it in. Have a good day.

 

 

I will also stay with my opinion that we saw BH journey to personal growth by himself. Yes, he got in the past and in the woman body so now he is an insider in understanding women more. Same as when we get to the new country, learn their language and customs we grow to understand people of those countries more. But it's our own learning process, credit for learning more is our own. 

So I think it's not Soyeon soul making or influence that BH had personal growth. Since I don't see where he was more selfish than Soyeon. Soyeon was also selfish for whatever reason (torturing maids, even HongYeon told that she was called "a witch" with negative context). BH grew to be more understanding and open-minded because of himself and him going through hardships and difficulties, looking at the situation from inside - woman body, woman persona. 

We have different understanding of the situation. Thank you for explaining your point of view. I appreciate another opinion since there is a saying the truth is born in discussion.

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Thought I’d be able to stay away from this thread but I guess not. Just when I think I’m okay and ready to move on, my mind goes “isn’t it funny...”

 

After contemplating, I have to say this ending is worse than GoT. To be fair, we were given warning signs about where the quality of GoT would go with season 5 onward and with Dany’s storyline, I peeped long ago but knew her stans wouldn’t come to face to how she is with how the show whitewashed her (in the books she’s much worse). So for me GoT and how badly it might end, I made peace with it by season 6.

 

With this show, as others said it was 10/10 till 19. Like the things I thought they’d shy away from, they actually did it. The whole sexuality/gender crisis, mpreg, Bong actually falling in love and showing affection willingly...like in all my fandom history this is probably one of the worst case of queerbaiting. Like cdrama was far more progressive like that’s still amazing to me. 
 

If Bong was a girl, they’d never chosen the ending they went with, and if it was picked by Netflix, I guarantee you the writers would get a world of lashings from international audiences than they already are.

 

 

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I will also stay with my opinion that we saw BH journey to personal growth by himself. Yes, he got in the past and in the woman body so now he is an insider in understanding women more. Same as when we get to the new country, learn their language and customs we grow to understand people of those countries more. But it's our own learning process, credit for learning more is our own. 

So I think it's not Soyeon soul making or influence that BH had personal growth. Since I don't see where he was more selfish than Soyeon. Soyeon was also selfish for whatever reason (torturing maids, even HongYeon told that she was called "a witch" with negative context). BH grew to be more understanding and open-minded because of himself and him going through hardships and difficulties, looking at the situation from inside - woman body, woman persona. 

We have different understanding of the situation. Thank you for explaining your point of view. I appreciate another opinion since there is a saying the truth is born in discussion.

Also considering the writers made the mistake of not developing SY’s voice, we never know what personal growth she went through. Again a mistake because the audience doesn’t care too much about her 

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12 hours ago, rocher22 said:

 

 Ordinary pic from the set...but, I like it... :D

 

 

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MrQueen?src=hashtag_click

Whenever I watched this scene, I would chuckle because though he's quite tall, the BI actor isn't muscular like Kim Jung Hyun. You see him visibly struggle to hold our queen and at one point she starts sliding down before the camera quickly cuts away. The trembling you see wasn't (as I originally thought) righteous indignation but fatigue. LOL

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In my final act of consoling myself over this heartbreaking ending (especially with the fact that we're not going to get a season 2...it's just not how Korean dramas roll with it), I remind myself that So Bong got the Cheoljong who was the superhero on the side with passion overflowing, an exciting storyline and moments of angst while holding and supporting each other in death defying situations...whereas So Yong now gets to live the life of a politician's wife. :sleeping:

 

Am I grasping? Why yes, yes I am. :approves:

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On 2/19/2021 at 12:39 AM, kwayteow_mama said:

@Sandy Prater I could be wrong but GPG is a web drama which was why it could be more liberal in its portrayal. There were alternate endings made, not sure if it was made to appease unhappy viewers. In any case, it seems challenging for this sort of story to have an ending that pleases everyone.. especially also since this story features historical figures. I love this revisionist what-if version of a historical puppet king but it didn't sit down well with historical pundits or nationalists.. 

 

Wasn't GPG released before the Chinese ban on BLs too?

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17 hours ago, cenching said:

 

 

Apparently there are 2 different cuts of the kissing scene in the spin off. The first video, SB went first she was the one kissed CJ while the second vid is vice versa.

 

Which one do you like, folks???

 

Are these really two different ones or is the first one where she kisses him like a film reverse? I can't tell but the filming quality seems odd.

 

As for your question, I love any kiss that So Bong initiates since that's one step closer to realizing her feelings...we already know what CJ's feelings are. :kiss_wink:

 

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