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And we thought the Chinese version had bad endings  :joy: 


You know what I just realised? I finally caught the famous second lead syndrome! Can you believe I’ve never suffered from SLS even though I’ve been watching dramas for over a decade?


But I guess this is what people feel when they root for the person who ends up alone while loving a main lead? 

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I’m team So Bong all the way! 
So Bong will always remain my true eccentric Queen and the one who Cheoljong fell in love with.

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The Tale Of The King’s Failed Mission   Our king had a very important mission, he even sent his brother away in order to succeed in his task.   5 minutes later.  

Watching it with subs made the final episode even worse.   I’m so tired of people saying So Bong was only influenced by So Yong’s emotions and feelings. You people had your happy generic het

6 minutes ago, Sunset said:

SB going all-in seems more plausible than SY going all-in, especially while being pregnant. 

This is true. No way SY would have looked down at Sunwon crunching ice like a boss after nearly being poisoned.

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A propos to all who bore down upto till the shitty end. It sucks, all throughout it, no indication of it being SY except in moments he went girly and screamed her head off after that hot night with the king.

 

Let's just agree to disagree. I say ending was RickRoll'D crap. but thats me, I am not close minded to consider a heterosexual man can develop feelings for another heterosexual man. It does happen. I believe the writers had to bow down to the SK conservatives that frown at that kind of relationship. Even as a possibility. If SK was like Thailand, I bet, it wouldn't end that way.

 

On a note though, SK drama can run a good 20-30 episode wonderful drama and muck it up on the final episode. There was never a sageuk that ran well and ended up wonderfully. I guess, SK societal norms don't do well for good endings.

 

BTW, one thing I really, really didn't like about SY as opposed to SB is that she was such a coward. When KJG gave her a task to do, was it to spy on the King, rather than go against her clan, do the right thing, she does what? Kill herself?! Okaaayyyy. 

 

SB got threatened, got assassination attempts but never did back down. The more SB is pushed, the harder SB pushed back, SY however just crumpled in a corner to die. So in my eyes, SY's redemption was not to take the position of the King's beloved but to go with BI, in the afterlife.

 

Who deserved to live more? It is the one who didn't give up at the slightest sign of trouble.

 

Looking at my signature on this forum, 

Who was it that loved without hesitation, without conditions and without limitations?

 

I'd say the one who went all in, damn the repercussions, because he had nothing to lose.

 

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I was so going to sell this show to my friends once they could binge-watch it. I still might, but frame it as a gender-bender version of Back to the Future where a modern guy goes back in time and helps a couple save their relationship. No spoilers, but that does hint at the ending.

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17 minutes ago, aisling said:

And we thought the Chinese version had bad endings  :joy: 


You know what I just realised? I finally caught the famous second lead syndrome! Can you believe I’ve never suffered from SLS even though I’ve been watching dramas for over a decade?


But I guess this is what people feel when they root for the person who ends up alone while loving a main lead? 

I’m team So Bong all the way! 
So Bong will always remain my true eccentric Queen and the one who Cheoljong fell in love with.

I think the King did realize that it was no longer the woman he loved, remember, he does remember all the things that SB says to him. I bet he also remembered what SB told him that he was a man from the future.

 

Hence, the scene of him pondering on whether or not he lost something very precious while looking at the Queen's dictionary.

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11 minutes ago, gglex6275 said:

I bet he also remembered what SB told him that he was a man from the future.

It's apparent SY never confirmed to him that So Bong was who she said she was. Ugh.

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Yeahhhhh,..... it's a bitter sweet ending. Sucks for SB, but great that no body else's died (TT .....BI)...

I think if the writer meant to end it this way, they needed to make sure viewers have attachment to SY's character. They can't just hide SY with a reason that her soul is weaker than SB and expect viewers be okay that SY get the benefit of SB's hard work. They could have made the two souls in and out take turn all those time, it could be easier to except that at the end, all back to their original place,.... whether it is the rightful place based on merit or not (up to viewers to decide).

 

PS. The characters of SB and SY are so different; hard to imagine that SY would hug her maids, or even have close relationship with the kitchen staff, "accidentally" grab the King's elbow, or even do "aum"..... (smh.... cannot picture it).

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6 minutes ago, Raffles said:

It's apparent SY never told him. Ugh.

The entire thing is all mucked up, grrr! I am so upset with it. SY deserved to live (?), the writers never gave us a chance to invest in SY's emotions and personality, while going all out on SB, so how can they expect us to empathize with a character that was never really there in the first place.

 

The spin offs were saving graces for the writers, hoping they could trick the watchers to go into this bubble wherein SY deserved to be beloved by the king because of their history from the well upto the bamboo forest. 

 

But like what CJ told HJ, he did not love her just because of their history like the well incident. CJ, I am so sure, did not just love the SB persona but grew to love what he was seeing and what he has seen. Did he love her at first? Nope. His heart saw her as SB and that was what he loved.

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15 minutes ago, aisling said:

And we thought the Chinese version had bad endings  :joy: 


You know what I just realised? I finally caught the famous second lead syndrome! Can you believe I’ve never suffered from SLS even though I’ve been watching dramas for over a decade?


But I guess this is what people feel when they root for the person who ends up alone while loving a main lead? 

I’m team So Bong all the way! 
So Bong will always remain my true eccentric Queen and the one who Cheoljong fell in love with.

 I never understood Second lead  Syndrome, until today.   I don't  know if I can finish watching the ending with English subs.  I am going to wait until the Mr. Queen Bamboo forest spinoff are with English subs and than try again. 

I feel bad for CJ he stuck with his Kitten.  In my head I think BH will missed CJ but they will find enough each in this life. CJ died at 32 and is reborn remembering his old life and finds BH. 

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9 minutes ago, gglex6275 said:

A propos to all who bore down upto till the shi.t.t.y end. It suxx, all throughout it, no indication of it being SY except in moments he went girly and screamed her head off after that hot night with the king.

 

Let's just agree to disagree. I say ending was bull.crap. but thats me, I am not close minded to consider a heterosexual man can develop feelings for another heterosexual man. It does happen. I believe the writers had to bow down to the SK conservatives that frown at that kind of relationship. Even as a possibility. If SK was like Thailand, I bet, it wouldn't end that way.

 

On a note though, SK drama can run a good 20-30 episode wonderful drama and muck it up on the final episode. There was never a sageuk that ran well and ended up wonderfully. I guess, SK societal norms don't do well for good endings.

 

BTW, one thing I really, really didn't like about SY as opposed to SB is that she was such a coward. When KJG gave her a task to do, was it to spy on the King, rather than go against her clan, do the right thing, she does what? Kill herself?! Okaaayyyy. 

 

SB got threatened, got assassination attempts but never did back down. The more SB is pushed, the harder SB pushed back, SY however just crumpled in a corner to die. So in my eyes, SY's redemption was not to take the position of the King's beloved but to go with BI, in the afterlife.

 

Who deserved to live more? It is the one who didn't give up at the slightest sign of trouble.

 

 

It takes a lot of time to change a society's conservative beliefs. I don't blame the writers.  I can't even change my grandparents and my inlaws' views. My parents are broadminded and hence I am even more broad minded. I would have loved to see any controversial storyline because I love bold writers. That's what attracted me to watch this drama in the first place.

 

A woman in Joseon era? I'm not surprised that she decided to kill herself. When I argued about woman's rights with one of my grandmas long ago, she told that she had no option but to kill herself if her daughter suffers in her married home (hypothetical situation) because once her daughter is married off, even the mother has no rights to intervene. :facepalm:

 

In order to cater to conservative society,

I would have been more satisfied if BH was a woman in his previous life and a man in current life. BH, in the present world, is what all SY wasn't. A woman like SY who might have initially had a fiery heart like her mother (If I am not mistaken was a Donghak sympathizer) would have been conditioned to believe that she has no rights to oppose the society. In her next life, when being born as a man, she did all she wanted to do. During the drowning incident, BH was able to go and change his past life.

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10 minutes ago, NitaA said:

Yeahhhhh,..... it's a bitter sweet ending. Sucks for SB, but great that no body else's died (TT .....BI)...

I think if the writer meant to end it this way, they needed to make sure viewers have attachment to SY's character. They can't just hide SY with a reason that her soul is weaker than SB and expect viewers be okay that SY get the benefit of SB's hard work. They could have made the two souls in and out take turn all those time, it could be easier to except that at the end, all back to their original place,.... whether it is the rightful place based on merit or not (up to viewers to decide).

 

PS. The characters of SB and SY are so different; hard to imagine that SY would hug her maids, or even have close relationship with the kitchen staff, "accidentally" grab the King's elbow, or even do "aum"..... (smh.... cannot picture it).

I cannot even imagine SY punching CJ lights out if he annoys her. Remember when CJ was asking advice from Director Hong, he said that Director Hong's advice will likely end up with SB killing him. Can anyone imagine now CJ being afraid of SY or knowing that SY will not be above hitting him in the face if she is annoyed?

 

Like I said, palace dynamics will change, since it was SB's social sphere. The palace maids, eunuchs, the concubines and even the cooks.

 

Writer should have the consideration on how to stay true to the plot before even penning in ending a story.

5 minutes ago, aisling said:

Someone on TW said Cheoljong turned from a sex maniac into an alcoholic cause after So Bong left he never had the same amazing sex anymore :loolz:

Now that would be entirely possible! Could also be a reason for him dying early too!

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@foreverempress i agree with your view and I am not erudite enough to debate precise definitions.  

 

What has me all broody right now is that I watched till ep 17 and purposely kept ep 18-20 to marathon. While keeping up with the spoilers and plots.

 

I am exceptionally peeved that the character that was throughout the whole series just got smacked back into the future. And his feelings and passion all became watered down tea in the future. Its like my male lead has been deprived of his Queen. And received a Queen who cannot think on her feet- she killed herself remember when pressured- and reaped the benefit. Come on... she now has a bun in the oven. Was the King even coming to her regularly before then? He had the concubine too. She now has a guy who has the hots for her all the time.

 

So effectively after 20 episodes I have now witnessed a lame duck 2nd female lead. Ok more like THIRD female lead get the male lead.

 

Gah. Stomp stomp stomp.

 

Man I am peeved. I am going back to CLOY where KHJ's character was killed. Then Forest where SHS' character was killed. They were more justiable and logical than this. Grrr...

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No matter what, I'm grateful to Shin Hye Sun and Kim Jung Hyun hard works for making my weekend meaningful.

Thank you so much:bawling:

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I love all Kim Jung Hyun's costumes in this drama:wub:

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and Shin Hye Sun's hanbok too:)

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I hope all this unhappiness does not take away that it still was a great drama and that the actors did an awesome portrayal of their characters . I, for one, forgot we were in a pandemic every time I watched the squad on screen.   I really didn’t expect a homophobic ending, especially the drama already got warned for using historic figures in the beginning and because this wouldn’t sit well with Korean audiences . Could the writers have done a better job with SY ? Yes, I wished they would have made her original character close to who BH is and that she had no choice but to jump into the lake so that it makes sense that SY + BH are one. 

 

 Focusing on the ending is doing such an injustice to the actors who worked so hard on it . Being a veteran Kdrama watcher , the writers rarely tie up loose ends like we want them to and writers really need to take a lesson on how to end dramas.  But thank you to SHS, KJH, Choi Sang gung, Hong Yeon, Royal Chef, kings eunuch, Kim Hwan, Director Hong for bringing us so many laughs and joy admits a worldwide crisis.  I, for one, will rewatch this for all the funny scenes . 

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Im still heartbroken with the ending

 

But, I have to remind myself to focus on the team works.. 

I will keep watching KJH and SHS works...

But I need time to be ready to watch the subbed ep 20... :brokenheart:

 

 

 

Jung Hyun-ah, we were happy from ep 1-19, but many unhappy with the ending of ep 20....:sad1: however, thank you for your hard work, we really enjoyed it...

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