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Finally got to see the the Finale. So glad the momentum picked up again and the ending was great and satisfying, more than I could have ever expected. This is so rare as even some of the best dramas’

Hi all. Dropping by here because it seems quiet peaceful. Tired of those super toxic stans, they're literally everywhere spreading hate to DS (even DM too). Some long time KSH fans (long before SU) ev

Hi guys..   So I have been reading here and there comments about how Nam Do San is violent and selfish ..and I've been asking myself are we seriously watching the same drama ? DS has ne

4 hours ago, nrllee said:

“Why did DS want to keep the letters?”

 

  

May I add?  :D  I thought the letter was meaningful to Dosan in many ways despite the fact that he was not the intended recipient.  I totally understand many viewers' disapproval since Jipyeong has the right to have it back.

 

Let's see, in the letter, Dalmi wrote

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Dosan, you're my pretty music box. I bet you have a lovely melody. I'm sure of it.  

Sadly, Dosan actually read the letter as if it was addressed to him by Dalmi.  At this point, Dosan believed he has lost.  Even accepting that she loves another man, he kept her words as a reminder that he could be the good person that she is sure of in the letter.   For Dosan, despite believing he lacks in many ways to Jipyeong, this letter gave him strength to strive to be the letter recipient Dosan. These words bring some comfort and inspire him to be a good person.

 

It's only right that the letter returns to Jipyeong.  He who started the ruse now ends it.  Dosan needs to recognize that he can be important to Dalmi apart from the false narrative that lead them to meet so I am glad Jipyeong was more than gracious to remind Dosan of his character and worth.  It's a wonderfully written arc for Jipyeong, I cannot love him more in this episode.  Jipyeong has come a long way from being the person who doubts SST's potential to one who believes in Dosan. @peachfuzzwrote a wonderful post up there about Jipyeong conceding.  Thank you.  More than anything, Jipyeong has been struggling with the "good boy" tag by halmoni. In business, he realizes he needs to make difficult decisions that cannot be handled with niceties.  To be a good mentor, his advices have to be sound more than sugar coated. To survive and succeed, he cannot err and play nice to the competition.  Yet, he carried to heart the lesson on trust, honor, and generosity from halmoni. That lesson paid forward many times for Dalmi and now Dosan.  I know it is a tough and perhaps unfair road for Jipyeong.  I admire him more for staying on the honorable path despite having to accept loss.  As a good business man, he could have made many more maneuver to change the situation but he is a good person to recognize that he needs to do the right thing.  He will live a long happy life for carrying others' misfortune and pain!  He needs his own spin off!

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Yeah, I think that specific letter with the music box meant a lot to Dosan as @bedifferent has explained. I thought an interesting analogy would be the girl on the swing. Throughout the drama, I thought even though the girl on the swing is obviously DM, but it's actually Injae who spends more time contemplate about it. What does it mean to be the girl on the swing? What direction she wanna head with her life? IJ might not be exactly that girl, but she understands that girl symbolism, probably even more than DM. I thought Dalmi's letter has spoken to DS in the same way, helping him found the direction of his life!

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30 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

May I add?  :D  I thought the letter was meaningful to Dosan in many ways despite the fact that he was not the intended recipient.  I totally understand many viewers' disapproval since Jipyeong has the right to have it back.

Agree with you in some sense, but also I have a diff perspective! :) Not saying that he was right or should keep the letters, but I saw it in a slightly different context hehe. He was ready to return it already but after reading it he garnered whatever little strength and courage left. I personally think that the reason why he wanted to keep the letters was because it was what’s (physically) remaining of Dal Mi that he had. At this point, I believe he still believed that HJP and SDM are together (because neither of them ever clarified to him their status after HJP made the false insinuation in the elevator, on 2 occasions - 1 of them being the latest episode about asking Halmeoni to prepare food for him). And you could see that when HJP insinuated in the elevator in yesterday’s episode again, DS was clearly uncomfortable but he did not react, and after the elevator was fixed he just left them both and walked out (probably conceding that they are together). Hence, my take is that he wasn’t doing it to try to be the Do San in the letters by keeping them, but instead those were items that allowed him to see into Dalmi’s young heart and feelings and he felt like that was all he has after he thought the two had moved on to their new “relationship”. 
 

Do I think JP’s character is pitiful here and easy to empathize? Definitely, but love is not about sympathy either. DS had his own journey, and he stood up and supported DM through and through, and his action and words were always in tandem.
 

JP’s character resonated with so many viewers because they saw his backstory and everything from his POV as per how the writer unfolded the story, but as a character, Dal Mi saw, heard, and felt Do San’s love through their whole growth journey. What JP was going through was hidden from DM’s perspective, but the writer did not intend for DM to go out of her way to find out more about JP’s story either. And that’s probably because DM had fallen in love with the real DS, and not the DS of her memory. 
 

One flaw I noted of this show though, is that Dal Mi has not been very expressive (verbally) when it comes to love. She loves whole heartedly, but I too didn’t like that fact that she wasn’t very upfront to JP about what she felt and what she wanted to do with the situation. DS was largely the one trying to make amends, while she was playing a “recipient” role for the most part of both men’s love. In this case, her silence and not addressing issues with JP (or DS after he came back from US) was definitely not helpful for both. I for one must say that her first answer when DS asked her why she loved him, and she just said “I don’t know, why do you keep asking me this”, was quite perplexing. And I think that’s also the character that she’s carried with her in how she faced JP and how she faces certain challenges at work. 
 

However it reminds me that we are seeing deeply flawed and imperfect characters in this show, which is quite a far cry from the usual kdramas which, even if they show flaws, they bandaid it with heroic actions or cute romantic fluff or a backstory which gives a free pass to any actions to make viewers find it endearing. But here, we see deep imperfections in our characters: Dosan with his low self esteem and lack of ambition (his old self, his new is just a 180 degree transformation), DM with her brash competitiveness (against her sis) and also lack of self confidence to tackle difficult situations head-on, and JP with his pettiness and brutal communication style. 

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4 hours ago, The Reel Life said:

 Hence, my take is that he wasn’t doing it to try to be the Do San in the letters by keeping them, but instead those were items that allowed him to see into Dalmi’s young heart and feelings and he felt like that was all he has after he thought the two had moved on to their new “relationship”. 
 

What JP was going through was hidden from DM’s perspective, but the writer did not intend for DM to go out of her way to find out more about JP’s story either. And that’s probably because DM had fallen in love with the real DS, and not the DS of her memory. 

 

I for one must say that her first answer when DS asked her why she loved him, and she just said “I don’t know, why do you keep asking me this”, was quite perplexing. And I think that’s also the character that she’s carried with her in how she faced JP and how she faces certain challenges at work. 
 

However it reminds me that we are seeing deeply flawed and imperfect characters in this show, which is quite a far cry from the usual kdramas which, even if they show flaws, they bandaid it with heroic actions or cute romantic fluff or a backstory which gives a free pass to any actions to make viewers find it endearing. But here, we see deep imperfections in our characters: Dosan with his low self esteem and lack of ambition (his old self, his new is just a 180 degree transformation), DM with her brash competitiveness (against her sis) and also lack of self confidence to tackle difficult situations head-on, and JP with his pettiness and brutal communication style. 

 

I couldn't agree with you more.  In my clumsy write up, I didn't convey what I want to say clearly :D  Yes, it was a remnant of Dalmi that he wants to keep.  I also see it as Dosan wanted to believe the letter was addressed to him and about the person that he is/could be.   Reading her words, he imagines her faith in him as a good person.  I agree that Dosan was ready to return the letter prior to realizing that he desperately needed to still be connected to Dalmi and settled to have her words instead. :(

 

I want to add it's symbolic that Dosan didn't want the money tree, which is Dalmi's wish for success and wealth.  Instead, he chose to have the letter where she praised a person's character.  That said a lot about what is important to Dosan... family, friendship, love - not material wealth.  Jipyeong was the unintended receiver of the money tree, befittingly in hind sight.  While Jipyeong couldn't quite win Dalmi's heart, I hope he'll venture into a successful and profitable new partnership with Tarzan.  Or at least invest in the Tarot card app thingy. LOL

 

You're right, Dalmi never witness the things Jipyeong did for her.  Think it's consistent with the Cyrano figure, always in the shadow, overlooked, underappreciated.   

 

OK, so the deal with Dalmi.  I too was disappointed that she couldn't verbalized the reasons when Dosan asked her.  Perhaps it's intentional that she couldn't explain why she loves him from the writer POV.  Her answer is supposed to be vague and undefinable to contrast Dosan's logical mind.  If you think about it, love cannot be quantified, explained, duplicated, or solved.  It's a mystery with many uncontrollable variables.  While Dosan is good at coming up with facts, Dalmi can't explain her feelings the same way.   It has to be explained in this way because Dosan finds it illogical/impossible that she could love him.  LOL  I don't know, that's my own explanation, what do you think? HAHAHA  Dalmi as a character, doesn't quite excite me as the other 3 .... so I will leave it at that.  

 

I find the journeys our four made, in the word of Dosan-shi, quite marvelous and 100% relatable.  Start Ups are always shaky and need a lot of work.  Not many have clear vision and mistakes are aplenty.   I hope we see more characters like them in future dramas.

 

4 hours ago, Kabi said:

Throughout the drama, I thought even though the girl on the swing is obviously DM, but it's actually Injae who spends more time contemplate about it. What does it mean to be the girl on the swing? What direction she wanna head with her life? IJ might not be exactly that girl, but she understands that girl symbolism, probably even more than DM. I thought Dalmi's letter has spoken to DS in the same way, helping him found the direction of his life!

Yeah... I am sad that Injae was underutilized.   I must say I really like that toward the end, Injae finally understood the meaning of sandbox and her father's vision.  I am beginning to believe that Injae avoided getting on the swing as a little girl because she fears the risk of falling.  Does anyone think the same?  In this last episode, seeing Dalmi's hesitation, Injae knew she must offer to be her sister's sandbox if she is to beat Morning Group.  She needs to support Dalmi in place of her father so that her sister can swing higher.  The siblings have already found their way back to each other but this instance really underlined how Injae took the initiative to protect Dalmi.  I also am happy that she was willing to take more risks instead of playing safe.  I really how much she has matured as a person.  She did it.  She didn't have follow her step father's business ethics to achieve her success.  Good for her.

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“Start-Up” Cast Bids Farewell To Drama With Closing Remarks

 

Ahead of the final episode, the main cast of tvN’s “Start-Up” shared their closing comments about the drama!

 

“Start-Up” takes place in a fictional South Korean version of Silicon Valley where young dreamers set out to achieve success in the world of startup companies. Suzy stars as Seo Dal Mi, an adventurer who dreams of becoming Korea’s Steve Jobs, while Nam Joo Hyuk plays the role of Samsan Tech founder Nam Do San.

 

Suzy shared, “I feel a mix of both happiness and sadness. During the eight months I spent in my role as Seo Dal Mi, I felt very comforted and also very happy, so I’m sad that filming has come to an end.” She continued, “Also, this drama turned out so well thanks to all of the amazing staff who worked hard for eight months. It was an honor to be a part of this production. I hope you will support ‘Start-Up’ until the end.”

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Next, Nam Joo Hyuk commented, “All of the staff and actors worked so hard the past eight months. Eight months felt like a long time, but it feels so short now that it’s over. I’ve learned a lot while acting as Nam Do San and watching him grow and mature. It feels like I grew together with him. Thank you for showing so much love for ‘Start-Up.'”

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Kim Seon Ho, who took on the role of managing director Han Ji Pyeong, said, “The past eight enjoyable and happy months felt so long and so short at the same time. The time I spent sharing my worries together with others will become very meaningful to me. I want to give my thanks to the director, the writer, the actors, all of the staff, and especially to all of the viewers who gave their love to the drama. We were able to create a good production because we were together. Please keep ‘Start-Up’ in your memory. Thank you once again.”

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Kang Han Na, who played Seo Dal Mi’s sister Won In Jae, shared, “During the past eight months, I immersed myself in filming as the character Won In Jae while thinking of all the youth who are taking on their own challenges. I hope that the viewers were able to gain positive energy from not only Won In Jae’s story, but from the stories of the other characters as well. Please enjoy the final episode. Thank you so much.”

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The final episode of “Start-Up” airs on December 6 at 9 p.m. KST.

 

https://www.soompi.com/article/1441886wpp/start-up-cast-bids-farewell-to-drama-with-closing-remarks

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4 hours ago, bedifferent said:

OK, so the deal with Dalmi.  I too was disappointed that she couldn't verbalized the reasons when Dosan asked her.  Perhaps it's intentional that she couldn't explain why she loves him from the writer POV.  Her answer is supposed to be vague and undefinable to contrast Dosan's logical mind.  If you think about it, love cannot be quantified, explained, duplicated, or solved.  It's a mystery with many uncontrollable variables.  While Dosan is good at coming up with facts, Dalmi can't explain her feelings the same way.   It has to be explained in this way because Dosan finds it illogical/impossible that she could love him.  LOL  I don't know, that's my own explanation, what do you think?

I think that’s a very plausible explanation for her answer and also her actions in general. To show the contrast between those two people and the way they think. And yes, love isn’t always logical :lol: there are so many factors that draws a person to another, and the right time and place and context and personality and everything elseeeee plays a part in that mystery of falling in love. That’s why most people don’t always end up marrying or getting together with the type they had in their minds in their early days, let alone the perfect guy! 

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it was a fun ride,although there some difficulties but this drama open the world about business esp start up. Kudos to all actor. All did a good job.

 
if i want to pick the best scene maybe this scene

dalmi dream,thropy with dreamy songs

 

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Love the ending... now, dramas gotta copy this drama’s example in tying everything so nicely together at the end.. nothing felt rushed or wasted in the use of the drama’s time... though I’m happy for Nam Do-San, my heart just breaks for JiPyeong... his crying makes me tell my mom (who was also watching the series with me): “I’m here, don’t cry. I’ll have you.” Lol

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