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Finally got to see the the Finale. So glad the momentum picked up again and the ending was great and satisfying, more than I could have ever expected. This is so rare as even some of the best dramas’

Hi all. Dropping by here because it seems quiet peaceful. Tired of those super toxic stans, they're literally everywhere spreading hate to DS (even DM too). Some long time KSH fans (long before SU) ev

Hi guys..   So I have been reading here and there comments about how Nam Do San is violent and selfish ..and I've been asking myself are we seriously watching the same drama ? DS has ne

On 12/2/2020 at 2:39 PM, minibunny said:

Me too.. it’s so simple yet my heart skip a bit..well actually everything that he did to her, make my heart flutter ❤️


JP always does what he has to do without hesitation.

He handed her the handkerchief, gently pulled her, lowered the blinds and told her to rest.

His hand didnt stay on her hand for even a moment longer than necessary. Im loving it.





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On 12/1/2020 at 3:08 AM, minibunny said:

Hi It’s been awhile since I post in this forum..I haven’t read all the posts, I just need to let my theory out of my mind otherwise I go crazy hehe..please don’t bully me, it just my silly observations and you can said that I am delusional, I really don’t mind..

watching the last 2 episodes I feel like there’s a chance that Jipyeong is the one that Dalmi chooses in the end.. 

here’s my thoughts (I put in the spoiler box because it’s too long and you can skip it if you don’t want to read my post)


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1. in the preview ep 15, Dalmi wears a necklace in her neck, I am guessing it from HJP, we all know that he buys a jewelry for her that he hasn’t give to her, and until now, we don’t know what kind of jewelry that he bought. Dalmi never wear any necklace since ep 1, please CMIIW..so I think there’s a slight chance that Dalmi will pick HJP

2. the paralel scene. From the start, dalmi likes dosan(hjp) but the real dosan come in and in the end he win dalmi heart but now the situation has change, she likes dosan but hjp come to win her heart and probably he can win her heart if my theory is right. The paralel scene was

- Dalmi crying, when she cried with dosan after meeting injae and her mom, dosan open hjp car window and cheer her up while in the recent scene dalmi cry after meeting dosan, HJP hide her and let her have the space that she needs and let her cry
- Dalmi find investor and hjp rescue her by pick her up in his car, let her sleep and gave him shoes, just like dalmi find developer (dosan), dosan also let her sleep and carry him in his back

-HJP throw away the plants that dalmi gave while Dosan throw away the baseball

In this all paralel scene means there are a reversal, now HJP take the dosan place in her heart

to make my theory right, I need the aha moments for HJP, like saha used to said before, when dalmi confused about her heart, just find aha moments..it should be in ep 15 because once again Dalmi confused about her heart (it just doesn’t make sense why she has to be confused anymore if her heart hasn’t change, I thought we all know that she already chose dosan but if she confused again then someone already sway her heart)

3. Dreamhigh comparison, if you watch dreamhigh maybe you know the character well enough so cmiiw, at first we thought that Dosan is samdong because he’s the main character, personality almost the same and he join later (samdong ep 3, dosan ep 2), but there’s this trait that dosan doesn’t has it while hjp has. It’s the ‘ok if she doesn’t like me back’..we all know hjp already confessed and he’s okay if he doesn’t get the answer, he just want her nearby, it’s exactly like samdong, and samdong has one side love just like hjp plus dosan has the first kiss while in dreamhigh is jin guk, so if it’s the same plot, the chance of hjp getting choose become huge


of course my theory just a theory and there’re ton of flaws, like the writer always choose the main lead and we all know that the main lead are dodal, many ost for dodal, the marketing for this startup drama always dodal while seonho usually alone promoting..so dodal still happily sailing but I don’t know, something isn’t right..


why I doubt the main couple because the last 2 episodes are just weird for me, like when dalmi go to dosan in to the camp, it just waste of good scene, there’s a lot more you can do in that beautiful scene, dodal can reconcile and kiss, plus they can stop this ridiculous dragging triangle love line and they can focus on the main theme, also when dalmi wants to be alone and have this misunderstanding, dalmi can call dosan right away and fix the misunderstanding but she choose not to and said the same thing what hjp said to dosan (the three years can change relationships) and the way dalmi look at hjp is different now, she’s more comfortable with him and the awkward moments when hjp being honest with her plus she’s okay if he stay in her place..


I really don’t mind if dosan with dalmi because he obviously need her the most, I just wish that Dosan can become more confident, mature because what I saw in the preview, it just such a pity that hjp is the one who told him what he needs to do..I wish the reason he’s with dalmi is because he deserves to be with dalmi rather than because he needs her the most..


Me too, I have some feeling that Jidal is the endgame.

For me my theory is both are giving each other the same treatment.

1) He wrote a letter for her, she responded (15 years ago), she sent 461 messages in 1 night,  he responded to all of them in 1 day.

2) He followed her and end up knowing she is grandma's granddaughter ( the 1st time it was when they were kids and she said to stop following her, the 2nd as adult he followed her at the bus stop). . 

3) he picked her from gapyeong and she slept in his car, he made her feel comfortable. He slept in her house and she made him feel comfortable 

4) She said she want and like to be nosy to him like he was nosy to her.

5) Both said "I want to be the first" if you go through hard time (Dalmi said it 1st, then HJP said it too).

6) HJP handed his hand first to DM during the networking party. DM handed her hand first to HJP to be their mentor

7) She wrote the letter in EP1, he went there to read it in EP8 (that's where the truth was revealed). 

8) She wanted to find the writer of the letters and she met and found him without realizing he was just right next to her sister

9) Sandbox was created so entrepreuneur don't get hurt if they fail, HJP said he won't let DM get hurt and was ready to be her Plan B if she didn't succeed (since Yong-san, Chul-san didn't believe in her ability to explain Al).


And bonus : As a teenager HJP knew her grandma, knew her

As adult HJP know her sister, know her mother. HJP is working with Ms Yoon (Sandbox CEO) which is the company that wanted to invest in DM's father project. 


It's strange that the writer gave HJP so many connection with Dalmi's life (personal and professional) if in the end it's not fate for both of them. The last thing he did that she didn't do yet is  LOVE CONFESSION.



On 12/1/2020 at 3:18 AM, peachfuzz said:

I feel like I’m 100% gonna regret responding to your post, and there’s pretty much no point in doing so since you’re heavily invested in Jidal and not at all likely going to change your mind, but here I am. 


I laughed so hard after reading “HAN JIPYEONG is the ideal man for every woman.” I guess I’m not a woman anymore! lmao.


I know we have different taste and different ideal in what we search for in a partner. There are women who love their abusive husband, bad boys, drug additcts.... or women who love women but are still women.

We may be different since we go through different things in life. I was talking about "in general" ....of course there are exception to the rules. 
But if we ask women all around the world about WHAT WOMEN WANT IN A MAN? HJP have basically almost every quality of it. You may deny it but it's the truth. 


Or just tell me "What you don't like in HJP?" and "What you don't like in NDS?"



Do you and other Jidal shippers force your friends to date men that fit your criteria of what makes an “ideal man”?

How sad... If my friend was Dal Mi and she loved Do San, as long as he wasn’t the world’s greatest piece of crap, I’d support her, not tell her she’s making a gigantic mistake. 


Of course you will support your friend since you don't know how their relationship is. Just like I will never judge a human relationship as I don't know what's going on. I wouldn't even dare to say to someone to leave their husband if they beat them because I don't know what happen in their life....and I'm not interested in people's life. If they ask for my advice then I will give it with honesty, if they don't I will keep it to myself.


But here, I have the right to put my opinion since it's a fictional story with fictional character and I have the right to judge it based on my own moral and personality. 

I know the difference between LIFE and KDRAMA. If I saw a movie/Kdrama and I hate or love the main character to be with or without the main lead or second main lead, I have the right to say it.

DODAL fans have the right to say they want a DODAL ending because this...that. JIDAL fans have the right to say they want a JIDAL ending because this ....that. 

It's my opinion and they are mine. I can criticize a movie, Kdrama, their character as much as I want. We are here to express our opinion, right?



“PERFECTION PERSONIFIED” I laughed even harder. I doubt even HJP himself thinks he’s perfection. Does the writer even think he’s perfect? 

I don't know, maybe you can ask her



Do San is ABSOLUTELY flawed. In a way that makes you and likeminded others prefer Ji Pyeong way more. I’d just like to point out that Ji Pyeong punched Do San back lol. Do San threw the first punch, but Ji Pyeong fully participated in that fight.

Are you really going to make it sound like Do San beats people up on a regular basis? Like he just goes around hitting people all the time? 

HJP just reacted as SELF DEFENCE. Will you let yourself be punched by Nam Do San too without reaction? 

If NDS or someone like him punched me or my boyfriend/husband, I will send him in jail. Thank God HJP didn't sue him like Won (Injae 'step father did). And without HJP, NDS will be in jail.

NDS have a lack of self control. It's not the first time he was violent. When his friend Chul-san didn't want to give his share, and got angry...he grabbed him ...and they were ready to fight. Imagine bestfriends fighting like that. It's toxic. Even if I know it was made on purpose for Kdrama to overreact this way. But it gave some lesson that violence isn't the answer. 


NDS have lots of inner struggles and lots of anger. He isn't at peace with himself. He need time to grow, to find himself and be truly free.




“Good things for people he loves” Let’s just conveniently forget how Do San thought up the idea for Noon Gil BECAUSE of Halmeoni. Not like it means anything anyway lol! 

He did it because it's already his project. It's not like he made some big sacrifice for the sake of others. But let's say, I applaud him for that. 


On 12/1/2020 at 3:31 AM, inBinJinitrust said:

@peachfuzz I must also not be a woman as I happily married a real NDS 13 years ago, one who is incredibly smart and kind, nerdy, geeky but super literal and pure, and apparently hated by all women on earth, according to the majority of viewers of this drama


my 2cents, really no point responding to their posts. They won’t comprehend let alone try to see your point of view :)


I don't understand why you all got sensitive over my opinion. Did I hurt your feeling because I said HJP is better than NDS since you married someone like NDS?

How old are you?

I never said "smart, kind, nerdy, geeky...super literal and pure are hated by all women. I just said "HJP is the man that lots of women (if you didn't like the every woman) want and love".

HJP fit the standard for basically lots of women around the world. You may prefer someone like NDS but the majority of women (in global) prefer someone like HJP even men know that.


If you are happily married to a real NDS....good for you. I hope you the best. If you are happily married to someone like HJP, good for you. I hope you the best. 


On 12/1/2020 at 3:48 AM, NerdyAjumma said:

@peachfuzz Say it louder, girl!! I seriously laughed so hard at the suggestion that JP is the utlimate perfect prince charming that all women want. These kind of guys don't exist, only in kdramas. If they do exist in real life, they are the worst type of bf/husband.


They don't exist?????Oh but if exist they are the worst partner....LIKE REALLY?

So someone like NDS is the best type of bf/husband? He beated someone because he couldn't control his anger, he act like a kid, immature, lie to your face for his own selfish interest....

While HJP did what to people? Saying some harsh words related to his job



Guys like JP in "real life" are generally picky, nitpicking, and standoffish. If they know they're hot RickRoll'D, they will demand perfection from their gf/wife too. These young girls need to learn that there's no charity in love, and definitely no Cinderella-prince charming in real life. 


Really? Guy like HJP are so bad, evil...but the poor guy, nerdy are better because they aren't perfect so won't be picky? LOL. 

I've dated poor guy, ugly guy, nerdy guy....and trust me, they are all the same. Of course there are some better than others. It all depend on each individual and how they treat you. In the end, it's about WHAT YOU WANT IN A RELATIONSHIP and WHAT YOU WANT IN A MAN. You need to have your standard and how you want to be treated. 

If you put someone like HJP and NDS as a possible partner, 90% or more will choose HJP (even if he is picky, nitpicking, standoffish....expect perfection....because IF HE IS WORTH IT, women will try). Women aren't trying to put make up, being sexy, fit, smart, behaving well, getting educated to get low standard. WOMEN EXPECT TO GET THE BEST IN A MALE PARTNER. Men as well. It's all depend on your ability to get the one you want. 


If you have low standard, fine. Some have high standard. Even if those who have high standard can't get the one they want and decrease it, it's up to each individual and luck. 


Still, HJP from his character in Start up is what lots of women want in a male partner. Too bad, he is just a fictional character created by an writer. 



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One more thing I thought about woods scene. Their difficult journeys showcase some parallels for DS and DM:

- both have tried to forget each other but can’t stop thinking about the other more than ever

- both have experienced significant hardship being apart 

- both have internalised their suffering


What was poetic was that while they took different routes, both DM and DS ended up in exactly the same place after three empty years apart.

DS was starving and she brought him ramen. He was thinking about DM all day and she appeared. He thought she completely forgot about him but DM admitted DS was the inspiration for Tarzan all this time, remembering their conversation in detail. DS thought DM didn’t care anymore but she was willing to make a difficult journey and sleep outside in the cold to be close to him. Fate reminded DS that he needed DM and she didn’t just bring heartbreak, she was his inspiration in life. Most importantly, the DM he loved was a real person and not an illusion in his mind.

What was really touching was that despite DS complaining the loudest, it was actually DM with the visible injury and the limp. This symbolised to me that her heartbreak may have actually been greater during the past three years but DS had overlooked what she was going through completely. DM had to live with the guilt of pushing DS away and breaking his heart, setting herself up from scratch, nursing her broken pride - all without her designated companion by her side.

When he finally noticed DM’s wound, his heart softened because more than anything DM is DS’s weakness and he can’t handle seeing her hurt (eg the chairman won incident, JP telling her why she was fired in public). He carried her on his back so she wouldn’t suffer on her own (now shouldering some responsibility/acknowledging her pain). They left the woods together as a team putting the awful three year separation behind them. DS even invested in her company, proving that his absolute support and long term commitment transcended a romantic attachment (maybe unconditional love). In that sense, he was DM’s star again (the fixed point shining brighter than the moon)

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Sorry some additional thoughts about the elevator scene between JP/DS.  


When DS first went to Sandbox in ep13, JP showed off the ring and offered to take DS up to DM's office (i.e. access to DM would now go through him). He deliberately mentioned how close they now were to throw DS off. JP preyed on DS' insecurities about his looming shadow on their relationship (DS always felt imposter syndrome because the "DS from the letters" that DM "preferred" was someone else). 


During the elevator scene in ep14, JP then restricted access to DS again. He said DS couldn't speak to DM going forward without going through JP (sailing off a map with DM was now impossible) and insinuated that he was now the permanent gatekeeper to DM (i.e. they were in a relationship). I think DS felt completely cut off now and needed to see the proof for himself.


When he desperately tried to contact DM directly (i.e. on his own terms), she switched off her phone and made his worst fears come true - DS no longer had direct access anymore and was removed from the equation. This is why JP's 'white lie' was so harmful and damaging. Coupled with JP's earlier behaviour in episode 13, DS felt that his part in the love story was invalidated and erased for good. In his mind, DM had reconciled with the 'letter DS' and was now happily involved with who she wanted since the beginning. The detour to him that meant so much was now an irrelevant memory and their entire relationship meaningless... 


Really hope this love triangle is wrapped up properly but I wish people wouldn't just ignore JP's deception here because it was much bigger than a temporary misunderstanding . Why couldn’t he just say DM wasn’t up for it because she was busy or needed some time alone? If he truly wanted to fix his mistake, he would have explained the truth to DS. Or he wouldn't have misled anyone at all and just let them be!

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Hi everyone,It’s been awhile and by that I mean more than 3 years or something since the last  time I posted in soompi but here I am back again with an appreciation post for Nam Do san ..


First, I've watched almost every Korean drama that came out in 2020 and I can proudly say that start-up was THE BEST..the idea itself is amazing and god the cast is so perfect I can swear that the writer thought about them while writing their roles..


Second,I'm so fond of the Samsan Trio..They're seriously everything for me..I LOVE THEM..


The Dynamic between DS and JP was the Best ..They've ruined it with the love line but I gotta be honest, I loved their Bromance and I miss watching their funny scenes together ..


I love mostly everyone in this drama except for the Evil stepfather, the Step Brother and of course the Mean twins..


The story is well written I can't remember how many times I cried for this drama ..Suzy's acting is 1000 better than anytime before, she is literally glowing as Dal Mi ..at first I didn't have any high expectation for this drama I was totally against casting NJH as the first male lead but here I'm loving him like there is no tomorrow..

I'm 29 and up until now I've never thought that nerdy smart guys were my type until I met Nam Do san..I  mean as  a programmer myself I know what it feels like to live your life in front of your computer coding day and night.. and seeing how NJH is bringing his character to life, i couldn't help but to fall in love with him ..


Nam Do san Is sweet,Smart and funny ..he's so freakin loyal to his friends and he loves Dal Mi with every way that's possible to love someone..Not with words, but with action ..with doing NOT saying..The boy has created an app Just for her grandma ..and even when the broke up he made sure to fulfill his promise with her to keep this app alive for her grandma's sake..he was trying to Do everything to make her happy..

Do San never initiates anything but when it comes to Dal Mi, he’s so confident in showing how he feels and always protects her from getting hurt..I love how he cares about the little details, like how he picked up her jacket from the floor and put it on the chair when they were having a meeting in Samsan company ..he is so caring, I can't remember when was the last time we had such a beautiful,gentle and caring male lead..they're always so mean at the beginning but Nam Do San was that Nice guy since the first moment..

And no  matter what people say, I know that Nam Do San was Dal Mi's Start-up ..He's the reason why she came this far and she's the reason why he starts dreaming ..I mean isn't this lovely ?


I'm so Happy for NJH..He gave his best for this Role have you seen his crying scenes ? and he has a great chemistry with Suzy which surprised me actually ..I've never been a fan of him Even after watching weightlifting fairy but now I'm a BIG FAN and I will always remember him as the Nerd, genius boy Nam do San ..


NJH deserves all the love especially with the hate wave he's receiving ..I do like JP and this Drama would not be the same without our Han ..But people sometimes hurt the real actors and actresses for a drama and I really feel Bad for them..


I can't wait to see In Jae's taking her real name back ..I think I'm gonna cry at that scene when she shows up in front of her grandma as Seo In Jae :'(


Just a peaceful comment passing by ..I'm not ready to say goodbye to this drama that inspired me in so many ways ..I will really miss them ..


Next episode when Do San asks Dal Mi what she likes about him  I hope this time she is willing to say a better reason more than his big hands .." I don't mind this reason though ha XD"


have a nice day everyone ^^

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On 12/1/2020 at 12:41 PM, baelily said:

i swear if they make some stupid plot twist just to please hjp fangirls and make jidal endgame i would consider that sloppy writing, i am so mad after ep 13 and 14 and feel regretfull for even watching drama, ep 15 and still love triangle RickRoll'D


I don't think they will change the end since it's already done. And the end will have to "make sense". 


On 12/1/2020 at 12:41 PM, baelily said:

i get the love triangle in reply 1988 (i was team taek, he was brave enough to get a girl) because we didnt know who she likes to the end but in start up there is no single romantic moment between hjp and dal mi (hjp fangirls would say different),


For Dream High too, I didn't expect Suzy to fall in love with Kim Soo Hyun since she never had any romantic feeling for him while he was  in love with her. She liked Taecyeon and even kissed him. She only realized it basically later. He only knew it in the last episode while seeing his pictures in her wallet. 

Here the writer may want to put the same context but in different perspective. Making things much more deep and complicated. 


On 12/1/2020 at 12:41 PM, baelily said:

hjp is like some ideal guy from the letters but beside the letters he got nothing, i like do san, he is not tipical male lead, hjp is like many male leads in kdrama and thats why people rooting for him but do san in insecure, has many flaws but good hearted, he is actually like an ordinary guy and i want that ordinary guy get a girl, actually he is like second lead in characteristics,


My personal view, lots of things Dalmi said or remember is what HJP said. His letters, his tips about how to be a great CEO, his words seems to reasonate little by little in her heart too.


And I don't really like the "I want that ordinary guy get a girl" because he is an ordinary guy. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE A GOOD MATCH FOR EACH OTHER or HE IS A BETTER PERSON (loving, honest,non-violent, kind, selfless, ) FOR HER.

Choose a guy based on his merit to be the FL's partner not because you don't see it often in Kdrama or his characteristic is relatable to lots of people. I judge NDS and HJP on who they are and what they do to be able to get Dalmi. Who is worth her love in terms of ACTION and WORD towards her. 


On 12/1/2020 at 12:41 PM, baelily said:

i am so MAD at writers and now i fear they would make hjp and dal mi together and thats doesnt make sense, okay if its ep 10 but its ep 14 and all we can see is that dal mi and do san belong to each other, this drama got me to emotionally invested 


I do things it's a little late to make a Jidal ending unless she make the whole EP16 Jidal lovely moment but why not? HJP love DM, she didn't reject his confession or said they should stay "professional". 


On 12/1/2020 at 12:41 PM, baelily said:

we see ost and in every ost it look like suzy and njh will end up together

hjp needs to move on, he is first crush but do san is first love

give us dodal endgame and hjp he

i was actually sad that they didnt give us in jae and hjp moments and potential love story but hjp one sided love to dal mi


 Writer already know those things, fans will already know who are the ML and FL. But here the writer still drag it until now. WHY?

Did she used Suzy and NJH to bring more viewers but maybe change the endgame into something else? If Jidal is the endgame, I will be surprised to the point that I will applaud her for tricking us (making us sweat until the end). 

If it's Dodal, then it's like typical love story "FL end up with ML because it's like that".


On 12/1/2020 at 7:54 PM, peachfuzz said:

Trying hard not to feed the trolls but I’m giving in one last time... 


I don’t understand what’s making JP fans so toxic. It’s honestly really weird.... When JP fans insist that people supporting DS only like DS because Nam Joo Hyeok is hot, I can feel my brain cells dying. Saying that people are supporting DS because his actor is hot kinda implies that Kim Seon Ho/JP isn’t getting their support because he’s less attractive lol. Kim Seon Ho is super handsome too! I actually prefer him visually, but I still like DS a good deal. I swear, JP fans can’t handle DS getting love and support so they have to try and come up with a million reasons why DS is unworthy. 


"When JP fans insist that people supporting DS only like DS because Nam Joo Hyeok is hot, I can feel my brain cells dying"

I think both TEAM can be toxic (some are sane throught). Lots of Dodal fans as well say that Jidal fans like HJP because he is rich, confident, and that NDS is poorer, average, relatable.......which make it look like nowadays you get a free pass just because you are poor. 

Here on this thread, I even got some critics that someone like HJP are the worst Bf/Husband. I was laughing so hard at that. Trying to make it like someone like NDS is the perfect or best boyfriend/husband while seeing START UP

 we have lots of time where NDS was violent (physical assault on a mentor) which should be sued and send to jail, grabbed his bestfriend,lied to his girlfriend for his own benefit.


I don't like NDS because he have too many flaws that I can't stand (violent and selfish). Him being poor, average, struggling, having low self-esteem isn't an excuse for such a behavior. Even if he was rich, handsome, confident (like HJP) but still violent and selfish I would still not like him. If HJP was violent and selfish, I will put him in my red list and will dislike him too. 

I want someone for DM, who is loving, selfless, non-violent, honest, patient with her, help her to grow, give her some space....


Both TEAM should judge NDS and HJP based on their ACTION and WORDS. Who they are and how is their relationship with the FL is.



On 12/1/2020 at 7:54 PM, peachfuzz said:

JP fans are so embarrassing! It’s a honestly shame to JP’s character. Poor JP doesn’t deserve such rabid fans! Justice for JP lol.


Some are toxic and some are just wanting for some support for him since lots of us believe he deserve to be the endgame. It's the reason why there are so many discussion from both side. 


On 12/1/2020 at 7:54 PM, peachfuzz said:

It’s fine to prefer and root for HJP. It’s just freaking weird how HJP supporters feel the need to turn DS down so much and instigate fights with others online. I haven’t seen DS supporters being so uncivil..granted I haven’t been frequenting too many discussions recently because of how out of hand things have been.


I haven’t seen DS supporters being so uncivil

I think it's because lots of them already feel like they are the endgame so they don't feel competition towards HJP as DM never showcase any romantic feeling towards him as adult.

But if there is a Jidal endgame. Trust me, it's going to be wild. 


On 12/1/2020 at 7:54 PM, peachfuzz said:

I dream of a world where Start Up watchers all get along despite their different opinions! I have friends who prefer JP, but they haven’t been shoving their opinions down my throat. It’s strange how people putting JP on a pedestal for being mature are so immature themselves lol. 


I can’t wait to see how the drama ends! 

down my throat. You are exagering. People just express their opinion. Since there are so many Jidal shippers, there will be more thread about their bias. 



On 12/2/2020 at 4:35 AM, NerdyAjumma said:

All of these JP toxic fans are doing Kim Seon Ho a disservice. You are not elevating him by attacking and bashing on his counterparts. You can hate the characters but not the artists. Learn to appreciate the arts and respect the efforts of the entire production behind these series. It's hard work! Toxic fans are the reason why K-biz has such high suicidal rates. It's sad and disgusting!


Nobody hate NJH, how can someone hate him. I adore NJH. He is one my favorite FRESH MEAT alongside with Lee soo hyuk, Jisoo, Park hyun sik, .........I follow him on insta and fangirl over him all the time.  As actor, I prefer NJH over KSH since I'm already too in love NJH since a long time and KSH is just a new hit man from Start up. 

But I dislike NDS as a character. 

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I've been following and watching the show since the beginning, just do not have time to comment. :blush:

@nrlleeI am glad you actually got on board!


Now, that we are reaching the end, I just want to say I love the show! I love the characters, flawed and all.  Whether we agree with the writing and storylines, the trajectories of the love lines, it is one of the dearest coming of age K shows for me.  Watching the characters find their footing, figure out what is it that they want in life, see them discovering their strengths and have courage to take risks... it is what I signed up for.  I want to give them all a big hug for making the journey.


I root for Dosan and Jipyeong's kindness.  Each in his way has treated those dear to them with the best intentions, often selflessly.  Ji Pyeong deserves someone who appreciates him for his honesty and kind heart though I wish he learns to live with spontaneity more.  While he worries about timing and perfecting the sale pitch, he ended up missing the opportunities.  There's much to say about passion, risk taking and putting your heart out there.  There's much to recognize about its sincerity, of not playing to succeed all the time.  What I think is least relatable for me with Jipyeong is how perfect he is.  In my mind, it's what Dalmi connects with Do San... his imperfections and failures.   I think this is why the puzzle pieces don't fit between them.  Other than that, I love Ji Pyeong as a character and KSH for portraying him.


Throughout the drama, Do San struggles to define his identity.  I don't know if he ever realizes his genius is not the only thing that makes him lovable.  The quiet quirks, his introvert personality, his sentimental personality and tender heart, the things that he find lacking and inferior to Ji Pyeong have been weighing on him all along.  He uses his talent to realize other people's dreams as it is the way for him to connect with others and belong.  For many episodes, Do San was afraid of his own shadow.  It's just heart breaking to see his uncertain gaze in the beginning.  For things only the hearts can explain, Dalmi recognizes the kindness and possibilities in his big capable hands.  She certainly sees her late father's qualities in him as well.  But I think those vulnerable moments, shared during the good and bad times, made the bond between them real.  Ji Pyeong letters supported Dalmi's spirit in her younger years. They gave her confidence to stand alone on her own.  The experience she shared with Do San propel her forward.  She grew up from the young girl in the letters.  I think what Dalmi will have to figure out is if she wants a perfect life with Ji Pyeong who will always protect her fall or take Do San's hands knowing fully that she can depends on them to pick her up after the fall.  Whatever man she decides to part with, I will take!!! :D


Looking forward to this weekend everyone!



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Why do people keep saying Jipyeong is honest?  Just in episode 14 we saw him:


1) Pretend to be asleep so that Dalmi would let him stay the night

2) Tell DS he got jewelry for DM because of all that she has done for him

3) Tell DS the he has the right to control access because of their relationship changed in the last 3 years

4) Apologized to DM instead of DS, the one who he wronged.  Even that apology was weak because he said "I might have said something that gave him the wrong idea" as opposed to telling DM he told DS they were dating.


Why do you think JP said what have I done to himself in the elevator?  He knew how petty, selfish and dishonest he could be.

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11 hours ago, M Co said:

Too bad, he is just a fictional character created by an writer. 




Girl you actually answered it by yourself lol. You wrote longggggg paragraph about how perfect JP is and get pissed when someone doesn't agree with you, but in the end it just fictional character lol, yes too bad JP isn't real :lol:

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59 minutes ago, AryRa said:




kim seon ho's words for ji-pyeong so sweet.... :kiss_wink:


I wish I can give more thumbs up to this video. I guess KSH also wants to end the shipping war between jidal dan dodal. Look how he praises NJH, Suzy and Kim Hae Sook. He also fully acknowledges that dosan and dalmi fit together as they have same age.

I like his maturity yet so funny. He is sad reading Jipyeong character but also thankful meeting Jipyeong. And I agree, KSH word for Jipyeong is so sweet. I guess he also wants Jipyeong happiness at the end.



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Do San :heart: Dal Mi.  Suzy/Joo Hyuk's chemistry second only to Joo Hyuk/Seon Ho.


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I've watched about 3-4 dramas with NJH in starring role, I have rarely been disappointed with his acting.  Love his Do San here.  Hope Dosan finds happiness in himself at the end first and foremost.  As for NJH, his next project sounds just awesome with all the prominent names.  I am really happy for him.


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It makes me laugh when people portray NDS to be this evil character who deserves to go to jail because he "assaulted" his mentor while acting like HJP is this perfect being. If NDS deserves jail then HJP will be right in there with him.


Some people are forgetting how HJP literally stripped his subordinate in a public place, which embarrassed the living hell out of him. That's sexual harassment and way worse than anything that NDS has ever done. DS hitting HJP was immature but it wasn't unjustified; HJP has been using his words to hurt people because he doesn't care about the repercussions and he finally got it in a form of a punch to the face. It's like a bully who stands in front of you and insults you all day long until you eventually retaliate by giving them what they deserve. Is it a brawn over brain moment? Yes. But it wasn't unwarranted.


Meanwhile, HJP embarrassed his subordinate in front of 50+ people simply because he wanted the shirt. He did not care that his action is hurting someone because once again, HJP will say and do whatever he wants as long as that person is below him. He abuses his power because he view people who are less successful than him as less worthy of respect. Would he do that to chairwoman? To someone who can fire him? Absolutely not. But to someone with no power, apparently, he can call them a fraud, strip them in public, call them a failure and hopeless (without truly giving them a chance) simply because he thinks people less than him don't deserve kindness nor respect. 


People who said they wouldn't want to date NDS in real life because he resorts to violent with his mentor (a mentor he doesn't even want and a mentor who has told him that he's worthless a bunch of times); well, I will take that over a mentor who treats people like trash and abuses people with their words and their power. 


Kindness goes a long way in my book. You shouldn't just be kind to people you care about but also to people around you. HJP is the equivalent of those rude customers at a restaurant who would yell and insult a waiter, just because they think they're the boss and their words are to "help the waiter become better at their job." Even Gordon Ramsay wouldn't have the audacity to strip his employee in public, and he's known to be an RickRoll'D to his employees. 


Let me also remind people that HJP has made multiple attempts to cause a drift between DS and DM. No, he's not fighting "clean" at all. Him telling NDS that their relation (HJP and DM) has changed during that jewelry scene, him telling NDS that DM basically belongs to him in that elevator, and also him trying to create a misunderstanding between DS and DM with that hair tie, where he literally sought DS out in order to RickRoll'D DS off and hoping DS would misunderstand the situation. He's the main reason why this break-up is dragging... because he is behind the scene, saying RickRoll'D that is not true to DS in order to manipulate the situation.  


I've been holding it back for a while but I'm sick of people acting like NDS is this horrible being while HJP is perfection. I'm not trying to "hate" on HJP but I do want to point out his flaws; flaws that people are clearly overlooking while they're acting like NDS is the personaification of Satan. 


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@Cheetos123 So so well said. If we’re going to analyze this drama from a fully realistic, legal point of view, we need to be fair. HJP isn’t innocent either. You can’t just rip someone’s shirt off like that at work lmao. If NDS’s punch was assault, HJP’s shirt stealing was sexual harassment. Now, if you defend HJP’s action as the drama’s attempt at portraying a comedic moment, you can’t attack NDS’s punch, either. Pick one. 


Your restaurant analogy was terrific! 


And I’ve been thinking the same the past couple of days. If JP really respected DM, he should have “conceded” when DM expressed that she liked DS. His interfering is pretty disrespectful to DM.. If DM’s feelings changed, she would have let JP know AGES AGO. She would have said something when he told her about wanting to be the first person she contacts when she’s having a hard time. Her reaction to his statement then was NOT a green light. She’s never really given him a green light. Regardless of whether or not JP is a PERFECT MAN or kind of a bag, DM hasn’t consented to his advances. Why can’t JP take no for an answer? Regarding the elevator scene, if JP selflessly wanted to protect DM from being seen in a vulnerable state, he could have let DS know in a way that didn’t imply that DM was his woman/that he and DM were an item.


I’m not trying to hate on JP either! If my posts come off that way, I apologize. It’s sort of hard not to discuss and analyze JP when everyone is putting him on a pedestal and acting like he’s perfect when he’s not. 


If DM ends up with JP, I can imagine JP fans getting nastier about DS. I genuinely don’t think DS fans are going to get that nasty if DM ends up with JP lol. 


All of this is so ridiculous........


I don’t think it’s love if you’re actively trying to make the person you love unhappy and trying to separate them from the person they like. Just because JP does sweet stuff from time to time doesn’t mean that the selfish things he does can be negated and done away with. He’s not as selfless as people think he is at all.. His one-sided love is literally driving him to be petty and to make it difficult for DM to be happy with DS. How is this love? 


And honestly, if the feelings aren’t mutual, sweet actions might not be all that sweet at all. It’s unwanted attention..

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5 hours ago, M Co said:

Nobody hate NJH, how can someone hate him. I adore NJH. He is one my favorite FRESH MEAT alongside with Lee soo hyuk, Jisoo, Park hyun sik, .........I follow him on insta and fangirl over him all the time.  As actor, I prefer NJH over KSH since I'm already too in love NJH since a long time and KSH is just a new hit man from Start up. 

Goodness me what respect! What kind of man would prefer to be referred to as that term in capital. Feel sorry for JH if he indeed had more than one of these self proclaimed fans who stalk him on social media etc and fancy his hot look but have no clue or appreciation of why he chose a certain project or portray a certain image.


And silence is golden when you can be sure you would just waste your energy however silence can be incorrectly perceived as agreement or lacking of counterarguments. Either way a losing game

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Can we blame Suzy for the shipwar? :lol:


"#SeoDalmi in #startup is a meaty roles for #Suzy because she experienced stage of loves in 3 different setups: pen-pal love, insta-love & slow-burn love. I think the whole shipwar won't happen if not for her excellent acting & chemistry with both male leads. #teamseodalmi"



P.S: I don't know how to embed a tweet here :lol:

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the shipwar is real. wow. best of luck to both team. I kinda see Ji pyeong as the perfect 2nd hero with little flaw. like how taek in reply 1988( although he is the lead). and do san is the lead with a lot of obstacle. it just that the plot of Do san fall love toward Dalmi seems too quick. like all of sudden they are a couple. no story in it that is why i think that it is harder for some people to believe their love story.


Compare to Ji pyeong letters. that is sooo fairy tale/fantasy love story. and perhaps that is why people tend to like that. since we watch drama to escape from the reality.


just like Do san said in the forest. He getting know Dalmi like less than 2 year compare his military time. but the writer want to potray their love as some tragic love. so yeah maybe that is the reason it is harder for people to jump ship.


i just cannot wait next drama for all the lead. Chulsan include. he is so funny both in startup and cloy. looking fowardfor their career growth

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