celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, vienvien said: Wasnt there a scene where ES received a call from the columbarium regarding her father's urn was shifted? This was after Yoon place the envelope there. Yes, that’s why I asked the question. Thanks for the confirmation. I remembered the call about moving the location but somehow it seemed so random and the place where the urn was seems to look the same. So then, what was that document I wonder because the one that KMR burned seem to be the one the murderer took from the secretary as shown on the CCTV that the detectives found where the man in the hat had a brown envelope in his hand as he exited the building. @UnniSarah, Oh, so that was the case. Thanks because as I said above the place looked the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vienvien Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, UnniSarah said: They never moved her father’s urn. It was a threat to have ES come visit her. It was a FAKE OUT @vienvien Thanks for clearing that.I remembered now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnniSarah Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @celebrianna @vienvien Remember when Ji Eun Soo introduced her daughter to her father and Ji Min . I love that scene so much. The energy in that scene was in a form of a happy beautiful family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @UnniSarah, I loved that scene too. I loved the way that Eun Soo’s dad believed in her and was tireless in his efforts to help her. Running around looking for witnesses, going to the hospital to find her medical record to prove abuse, reaching out to Ji Min for help, etc. That moment was special to me because he was ready to protect Eun Soo and her unborn daughter in any way he could. If only Woo Joo knew him. By the way, wasn’t he murdered? It seemed to me that the driver should have seen him because the cars weren’t nearby. It’s not like he ran out into incoming traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, celebrianna said: @UnniSarah, I loved that scene too. I loved the way that Eun Soo’s dad believed in her and was tireless in his efforts to help her. Running around looking for witnesses, going to the hospital to find her medical record to prove abuse, reaching out to Ji Min for help, etc. That moment was special to me because he was ready to protect Eun Soo and her unborn daughter in any way he could. If only Woo Joo knew him. By the way, wasn’t he murdered? It seemed to me that the driver should have seen him because the cars weren’t nearby. It’s not like he ran out into incoming traffic. Didn't they show it in a scene where Secretary Yoon was checking the CCTV cameras to check who hit Eun Soo's dad and saw Chairwoman looking out her car from the intersection towards Eun Soo's dad's body? It did hint over she being behind the accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sleepy Owl said: Didn't they show it in a scene where Secretary Yoon was checking the CCTV cameras to check who hit him and saw Chairwoman looking out her car from the intersection? It did hint over she being behind the accident. Thanks @Sleepy Owl. That must have been in the first two episodes which I watched when the show started but didn’t watch in my binge-watch last week. Does Eun Soo know that the witch killed her father? That will be so painful for her to find out. This is the reason why WJ becoming critically ill seems overkill for the many tragedies that Eun Soo has already experienced. This writer is merciless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @celebrianna I just checked that scene, happens at the end of episode 9, and it is not chairwoman checking the body from intersection. Her car was the one who hit Eun Soo's dad, making her directly involved in the case here. They didn't clearly show it was her, but the back side window opening means it was someone who has a driver, and Secretary Yoon's expression also further confirms it. Maybe he didn't show all his cards to Kim Ho Ran and he has hidden this CCTV footage somewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @Sleepy Owl, Eun Soo is going to be in so much pain when she finds out. She seemed to have a close relationship with her dad. I don’t know what punishment would be good enough for KMR but even prison seems too good for her after all the crimes she has committed. Her image seems very important to her so maybe utterly destroying it would be the right punishment but also depraving her of money to do more evil is equally important. Of course a long prison sentence as a commoner is necessary too. If she has no money and connections she can’t bribe people in prison. I also hope her cohorts all get punished especially that prison director who was promoted to director at another center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, celebrianna said: @Sleepy Owl, Eun Soo is going to be in so much pain when she finds out. She seemed to have a close relationship with her dad. I don’t know what punishment would be good enough for KMR but even prison seems too good for her after all the crimes she has committed. Her image seems very important to her so maybe utterly destroying it would be the right punishment but also depraving her of money to do more evil is equally important. Of course a long prison sentence as a commoner is necessary too. If she has no money and connections she can’t bribe people in prison. I also hope her cohorts all get punished especially that prison director who was promoted to director at another center. Secretary Yoon didn't tell about it to Eun Soo yet. Since 10 years have passed, I wonder if the Statute of Limitations for her dad's hit n run has passed or not. I think it has passed, so she might not be punished for it. But well as you said, the biggest punishment for her will be her image getting destroyed, she going to prison and getting bullied by the inmates there. This woman's evilness has no bounds. I have said this again and again, that if she can kill a child (which she believed that she had done and was totally fine with it), then she can do anything. Kill her son, kill Eun Soo's dad, and many more things. But yeah as you said, along with her, the Prison director now working for her should also be punished for all injustice she did to Eun Soo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @Sleepy Owl, according to Signal drama show which I recently rewatched, after the year 2000 there are no statutes of limitations on murder in South Korea. In that drama it became an issue to the families of victims that they can get no justice for their loved ones who were murdered before the year 2000. I don’t know if that’s true in reality though. I hope in this drama KMR gets punished for most to all of her crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, celebrianna said: @Sleepy Owl, according to Signal drama show which I recently rewatched, after the year 2000 there are no statutes of limitations on murder in South Korea. In that drama it became an issue to the families of victims that they can get no justice for their loved ones who were murdered before the year 2000. I don’t know if that’s true in reality though. I hope in this drama KMR gets punished for most to all of her crimes. The statute of limitations rule is so confusing in SK. Not because of the rule itself, but because some dramas show that it is still valid, some show it is not. As far as I remember, statute of limitations for murder is actually revoked, but for hit n run, I think it is still there. Let us see what happens, but I am sure everyone like both of us want her to be punished for all her crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnniSarah Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 hour ago, celebrianna said: also hope her cohorts all get punished especially that prison director who was promoted to director at another center. @celebrianna @Sleepy Owl @Not only the prison director but also the nurse who took the bribe for a job at DO Cosmetic. This nurse doesn’t even remember the person she betrayed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, UnniSarah said: @celebrianna @Sleepy Owl @Not only the prison director but also the nurse who took the bribe for a job at DO Cosmetic. This nurse doesn’t even remember the person she betrayed All this makes me wonder, Kim Ho Ran is quite meticulous person, but she collected everyone in her company HQ itself. Which I think can be connected to how she actually thinks. She never would have imagined that someone would look for both of them. All of that will come back to her from all sides that she'll not know from where she can escape actually. I just hope to see her get punished and have a hard time in prison. For people like her, the greatest torture is them not being in control of everything, which will happen in prison. I would really be disappointed we see her killing herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnniSarah Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 Just now, Sleepy Owl said: All this makes me wonder, Kim Ho Ran is quite meticulous person, but she collected everyone in her company HQ itself. Which I think can be connected to how she actually thinks. She never would have imagined that someone would look for both of them. All of that will come back to her from all sides that she'll not know from where she can escape actually. I just hope to see her get punished and have a hard time in prison. For people like her, the greatest torture is them not being in control of everything, which will happen in prison. I would really be disappointed we see her killing herself. I agree @Sleepy Owl . While she tortured ES she enjoyed it so much. It gave me the creep. Her face wan point ( the hatred in her eyes) make me wonder when did she start to hate ES. I think she hated her for a long time and when her son died. The hatred just got stronger. I started to think she was obsessed with ES and wished she would just die. Now that we know Jeon Ki Beom wasn’t her son. The flash back scene when he asked her how she felt playing a mother, made me realize he doesn’t love her at and wished to find out why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @UnniSarah I think Eun Soo was more conciliatory with the nurse because chances are that Eun Soo might want her to testify on her behalf. From what I recall, the medical records of abuse were cleaned up or destroyed. @Sleepy Owl, that’s why it’s important that KMR’s connections and money gets cut off. In that way she can’t bribe people in prison to make her stay comfortable. I do wonder if Woo Joo will become the heir to the company because I think it’s her father who was supposed to inherit the position probably because it was his paternal family business. KMR is probably an outsider and became an insider through marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 1 minute ago, UnniSarah said: I agree @Sleepy Owl . While she tortured ES she enjoyed it so much. It gave me the creep. Her face wan point ( the hatred in her eyes) make me wonder when did she start to hate ES. I think she hated her for a long time and when her son died. The hatred just got stronger. I started to think she was obsessed with ES and wished she would just die. Now that we know Jeon Ki Beom wasn’t her son. The flash back scene when he asked her how she felt playing a mother, made me realize he doesn’t love her at and wished to find out why. You see, her hatred and obsession I don't understand currently. I am sure we'll get answer for in the final 2 episodes. Firstly she was shown to be very fond of Eun Soo while Eun Soo used to work for them and I think she had already approved her as her son's wife. But we don't know what changed everything. Her son got killed, for which currently she is mostly likely the one to have ordered it to happen. She then got Eun Soo framed for it, tortured her for 10 years, but now after 10 years no one remembers it. She even killed her daughter (she was sure about it). So now after no one remembers that case, not even Ji Min who was too much into it, I don't understand why she continues to play the victim. Either she really did not kill her son, for which we really need a valid reason, because currently she is the only person left to have ordered it and the one who killed Secretary Yoon to have killed Jeon Ki Beom too. So I don't see her gaining anything from playing victim or obsessing over Eun Soo. Even when Eun Soo gave up everything and decided to move on, she was feeling "why is Eun Soo so silent and not doing anything". Either Kim Ho Ran really accuses Eun Soo for her son's death or I don't know why it is. You see, Kim Ho Ran's mind works in a very twisted manner. She killed Eun Soo's daughter and told Eun Soo her daughter died because of Eun Soo. She did the same with Secretary Yoon. So maybe she thinks her son was supposed to be killed because he got changed after marrying Eun Soo, so she is the one who actually got him killed. I hope I am able to convey what I trying to say here. But this woman is not really normal. She is a crazy and very scary woman in my opinion. 5 minutes ago, celebrianna said: @UnniSarah I think Eun Soo was more conciliatory with the nurse because chances are that Eun Soo might want her to testify on her behalf. From what I recall, the medical records of abuse were cleaned up or destroyed. @Sleepy Owl, that’s why it’s important that KMR’s connections and money gets cut off. In that way she can’t bribe people in prison to make her stay comfortable. I do wonder if Woo Joo will become the heir to the company because I think it’s her father who was supposed to inherit the position probably because it was his paternal family business. KMR is probably an outsider and became an insider through marriage. You are right, and I think that will be happening. When everyone will see her true face, all her supporters will turn back to her. She will be accused of multiple murders, and money laundering, no politician in his right mind would want to be associated with her. Same goes with other authorities. So hopefully we'll be seeing her suffer. As for being Heir, yes, Woo Joo will be the heir, but the question is, was Jeon Ki Beom really her husband's son? Or was he adopted, either way, I think he was the one who had rights over inheritance and so her daughter will be getting it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celebrianna Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 @Sleepy Owl, I also wondered why KMR didn’t let “sleeping dogs lie”. Because of her, the reinvestigation of her son’s murder case will occur. While watching the episodes back-to-back, it seem to me that KMR hates Eun Soo with a passion for some unexplainable reason. All Eun Soo wanted to do was move on with her life like any normal person but that was more than KMR could bear. Personally I don’t think she greatly loved her stepson as she claimed to everyone. It didn’t even seem that way when they had that argument that night. I think KMR got rid of her stepson because he was bad news for her. Maybe the stepson went too far and she saw a great opportunity to get rid of him and Eun Soo. Her supposed obsession with him seems like a sham just like the paintings sham. @Sleepy Owl, the way the stepson acted seemed like someone who was born a chaebol. I wouldn’t be surprised if his father probably beat up his birth mother and either she left or died. KMR did tell him he’s just like his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Owl Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, celebrianna said: @Sleepy Owl, I also wondered why KMR didn’t let “sleeping dogs lie”. Because of her, the reinvestigation of her son’s murder case will occur. While watching the episodes back-to-back, it seem to me that KMR hates Eun Soo with a passion for some unexplainable reason. All Eun Soo wanted to do was move on with her life like any normal person but that was more than KMR could bear. Personally I don’t think she greatly loved her stepson as she claimed to everyone. It didn’t even seem that way when they had that argument that night. I think KMR got rid of her stepson because he was bad news for her. Maybe the stepson went too far and she saw a great opportunity to get rid of him and Eun Soo. Her supposed obsession with him seems like a sham just like the paintings sham. @Sleepy Owl, the way the stepson acted seemed like someone who was born a chaebol. I wouldn’t be surprised if his father probably beat up his birth mother and either she left or died. KMR did tell him he’s just like his father. Well Kim Ho Ran had told Se Mi that at one point in her life she decided to have whatever she wants to have. And yes, she must have been domestically abused, the way she told Jeon Ki Beom that he is becoming just like his dad. And yes, she does not really love her son. She has been living for herself throughout her life, using her dead son to gain sympathy from public. This woman has got really a twisted mind though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liyahsbutterfly Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 I haven't commented on here in a while. Mainly because I was trying to catch up and I've been busy as well. I'll just share my thoughts. So, this drama is really reminding me of Snow White and the Evil Queen. KHR is the Evil Queen and ES is obviously Snow White. I find ES to be a tragic figure and I honestly feel like she'll die if the k-drama gods don't save her first. Having WJ be terminally ill is heartbreaking, and most people who do lung transplants, especially double lung transplants, either don't survive or don't live very long. To me, ES is a strong woman despite being so kind. At times, her kindness was irritating and I wanted her to just punch SM (that annoying little witch!) or slap the soju out of KHR. As for JM. I'm not one for romance at all but I gotta admit, I love her relationship with him. They're a true power couple, and I'm hoping that ES becomes a rich woman and gets payback for all that KHR and the annoying witch did to her. I love JM's parents, as well as the cellmate and her husband (he's such a sweetheart!) I do wonder if ES does have a rich relative, or if WJ's true father was rich, which would certainly be a good twist. YJ, or David. The 2nd ML. He's gotta be one of the best SML I've ever watched in any k-drama. That guy is awesome and I love his development! Secretary Yoon, I'm kinda sad he had to die! He was so important to the plot and did turn his life around for both his son and ES. Sadly, the Evil Queen wouldn't let the Huntsman help Snow White and cut out his heart (had that man kill him.) So unfortunate, neither him or ES deserved that. I wonder how the son is doing, I hope he's ok. And ES' father- I hope he gets justice for what the Evil Queen did to him. His death was too suspicious for it to not be a murder. The Evil Queen... I normally sympathize with villains and/or even like them, but wow, this woman is just evil. She's clearly a deranged lunatic. I cannot like her no matter how hard I try to. I'm thinking she was behind the abusive son's (who I also dislike. I'm glad he's dead) death. Either she killed him, or had that weirdly loyal secretary (the younger one) kill him. My guess is that the secretary is the Evil Queen's real son, and maybe he killed the abusive son himself to get the company. I think he might even kill her at the end. Episode 14 was great. I love how Snow White finally grew a backbone, and teamed up with JM and David to start exposing the Evil Queen. JM's pretty smart as well. I still don't like the sister (I don't know her name) and I get annoyed whenever I see SM (I wonder what I should call her...) I'm hoping she gets punished too, and fairly punished as well. Maybe lock her in an asylum. Forever, without keys. What are you guys excited for this last week? I'm looking forward to the Evil Queen's punishment and finding out who the real killer is. Btw, is anyone watching Penthouse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilybeth baah Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 15 minutes ago, chococarmela said: I haven't commented on here in a while. Mainly because I was trying to catch up and I've been busy as well. I'll just share my thoughts. So, this drama is really reminding me of Snow White and the Evil Queen. KHR is the Evil Queen and ES is obviously Snow White. I find ES to be a tragic figure and I honestly feel like she'll die if the k-drama gods don't save her first. Having WJ be terminally ill is heartbreaking, and most people who do lung transplants, especially double lung transplants, either don't survive or don't live very long. To me, ES is a strong woman despite being so kind. At times, her kindness was irritating and I wanted her to just punch SM (that annoying little witch!) or slap the soju out of KHR. As for JM. I'm not one for romance at all but I gotta admit, I love her relationship with him. They're a true power couple, and I'm hoping that ES becomes a rich woman and gets payback for all that KHR and the annoying witch did to her. I love JM's parents, as well as the cellmate and her husband (he's such a sweetheart!) I do wonder if ES does have a rich relative, or if WJ's true father was rich, which would certainly be a good twist. YJ, or David. The 2nd ML. He's gotta be one of the best SML I've ever watched in any k-drama. That guy is awesome and I love his development! Secretary Yoon, I'm kinda sad he had to die! He was so important to the plot and did turn his life around for both his son and ES. Sadly, the Evil Queen wouldn't let the Huntsman help Snow White and cut out his heart (had that man kill him.) So unfortunate, neither him or ES deserved that. I wonder how the son is doing, I hope he's ok. And ES' father- I hope he gets justice for what the Evil Queen did to him. His death was too suspicious for it to not be a murder. The Evil Queen... I normally sympathize with villains and/or even like them, but wow, this woman is just evil. She's clearly a deranged lunatic. I cannot like her no matter how hard I try to. I'm thinking she was behind the abusive son's (who I also dislike. I'm glad he's dead) death. Either she killed him, or had that weirdly loyal secretary (the younger one) kill him. My guess is that the secretary is the Evil Queen's real son, and maybe he killed the abusive son himself to get the company. I think he might even kill her at the end. Episode 14 was great. I love how Snow White finally grew a backbone, and teamed up with JM and David to start exposing the Evil Queen. JM's pretty smart as well. I still don't like the sister (I don't know her name) and I get annoyed whenever I see SM (I wonder what I should call her...) I'm hoping she gets punished too, and fairly punished as well. Maybe lock her in an asylum. Forever, without keys. What are you guys excited for this last week? I'm looking forward to the Evil Queen's punishment and finding out who the real killer is. Btw, is anyone watching Penthouse? WJ is ES daughter so she is the heir of the company. She is the only bloodline of the abusive husband. In your post you said you wondered if ES has rich relatives or if WJ's bio dad was rich. WJ's bio dad is the abusive ex of ES so...yay money, this baby is gonna be rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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