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3 hours ago, sas79 said:

But I have a theory that the real BSH was going to meet Ji Won on the day of the accident. The way he told his mother that he was going to see someone and it was a woman, and had he met that woman, it would have changed all their lives, I had a sneaking suspicion that it may have been Ji Won. Ji Won has also jokingly said a few times that she is a woman with a past type thing. 

 

I'm kinda having a feeling it might be Ji Won too. Though I just don't know how that would play out. It'd be nice actually to know if there is some connection between the real BHS and Ji Won as well. If you think about it, almost all of the characters are connected with at least one of the characters in some way, shape or form. So a connection between her and real BHS may not be at all improbable.

 

Also, I remember we were all discussing from the earlier episodes about some dark past of Ji Won or that there may be more to her than meets the eye. But we completely forgot about that. I still wonder if that will be brought up on the upcoming episodes. We know nothing about Ji Won's family at all except her mom who we haven't seen for how many episodes now. 

 

3 hours ago, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

erm i think he posted a picture of himself with his 2 dogs before hahah yup that's his real family ... for now. 

 

It made me "awwww" when he said in his last IG live that he also doesn't know when he'll get married or if he'll ever get married when asked 43.gif 

 

3 hours ago, J13 said:

I really hope DHS is ok and doesn’t get hurt during the meeting with the gangsters. I’m also hoping that once they resolve this case and clear DHS’s name, DHS, JW and their beautiful daughter leave to live somewhere peaceful away from everyone.

 

He does get hurt though because he had some bloody bruises on his head from the trailer released before. He might get into brawl with them.

 

 

2 hours ago, violina said:

I badly want this for both for them.Both of them are so underated.Its criminal. LJK is popular but his acting skill is not appreciate enough I think compared to his peers or even some who are his juniors. As for Moon Chae Won, she is very VERY underrated.So even a nomination would make me happy. For now, I think the only contenders are Once Again, IONTBO and maybe Forest of Secrets 2. If this drama continues to stay strong like this till the end.They have a chance.  The others that were critically acclaimed in the first half of the year like Itaewon Class, World of the Married, Clash landing on you, etc already received their awards at Baeksang. At least Baeksang they award excellence not popularity. For example, forest of secrets 1 and Mother(directed by the same directer for this drama) worn the daesang even though the ratings were similar to this drama.Some of the actors were nominated, others won. There are also other award ceremonies like Korean Drama Awards, The Seoul Awards, and The Seoul International Awards. 

 

At the very least, if the actors cant win at least the writer, director or even technical award(ost and cinematography) should be nominated and or get an award.They have been excellent.

 

I so agree with this one ~ Moon Chae Won and Lee Joon Ki deserve some awards for their performance in this. I feel like after Innocent Man, MCW hasn't gotten much breakthrough in her dramas and had been underappreciated. So I'm glad that this drama is a milestone for both of them to showcase their acting prowess and they did not disappoint. I just wanna thank whoever casted them to work together again. LJK has an enormous trust and respect for the director too that this is his first ever drama that he didn't monitor himself, just like he said in his IG live.

 

 

Also @Jillia, about the photos you shared about the difference between the nails, I also am not sure if it belongs to one person or not. But I have to point out that the hand with the nail bites is a left hand and the one giving the key chain is a right hand. So it still could mean it is indeed the same person. It might be that the person only bites his nails on his non-dominant hand.

 

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I have to say for me as well the drama made such a effort to let me know Ji Won might be a person with "two faces" and then the whole thing with her father. I would be a bit disappointed if the drama doesn't make proper use of it. So let's hope we get some revelation in the next episodes. :D

 

8 minutes ago, lightbringer06 said:

Also @Jillia, about the photos you shared about the difference between the nails, I also am not sure if it belongs to one person or not. But I have to point out that the hand with the nail bites is a left hand and the one giving the card is a right hand. So it still could be mean it is the same person. It might be that the person only bites his nails on his non-dominant hand.

That's definitely a good point! :)  I think we're gonna fine out... probably in episode 12 which won't get until in 2 weeks. :lol:

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Flower of Evil Poll 3 is up!

 

Time to vote again...

 

After I watched ep 9 and 10, my feeling was this:

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So many feels....Especially since I heard that we are only getting one episode next week. :bawling:

 

To make time pass by more quickly, let's have some fun in the meantime.


This time the questions are:

1) Who is Do Min Seok's accomplice?

2) Would you like to know more about Cha Ji Won's past?

3) Do you think Kim Moo Jin (reporter) and Do Hae Soo (Hyun Soo's sister) will rekindle their romance?

 

Once again, answer the poll on top of the page, but feel free to leave your comments and thoughts on the thread.

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42 minutes ago, partyon said:

Flower of Evil Poll 3 is up!

 

Time to vote again...

 

After I watched ep 9 and 10, my feeling was this:


So many feels....Especially since I heard that we are only getting one episode next week. :bawling:

 

To make time pass by more quickly, let's have some fun in the meantime.


This time the questions are:

1) Who is Do Min Seok's accomplice?

2) Would you like to know more about Cha Ji Won's past?

3) Do you think Kim Moo Jin (reporter) and Do Hae Soo (Hyun Soo's sister) will rekindle their romance?

 

Once again, answer the poll on top of the page, but feel free to leave your comments and thoughts on the thread.

In case you have any other poll and/or event ideas, feel free to contact me @partyon and/or @Lmangla, your Event Organizers! :kiss_wink:

 

Happy voting!

 

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Lol after ep 10 my guess is the real Baek Hee Seong on the accomplice...omg guesses keep changing, that's how good this drama is!! Maybe after ep 11 it'll change again. The real Baek Hee Seong crying pitifully to his parents reminded me of the accomplice crying in Do Min Seok funeral plus whoever wrote about the biting nails compared to Baek Man Woo cutting his nails neatly got me sold! :gangnamstyle:

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@sas79. I agree with u.There is reason the writer must show up why Kim Mo Jin tape recorder have been founded by Detective Choi,

Do Hyun Su is next target to be eliminated by accomplice,If he work only with Kim Mo Jin and Do Hae Su is too dangerous for Do Hyun Su. after detective Choi find out DHS=Baek Hee Sung the team of detective must be find evidence to prove he is innocence by raiding human trafficking syndicate. 

if Doo Hae So speak the truth to CJW and the team this problem can be solve.This problem like bomb because both Do Hyun Su and Do have So still keep silent about village foreman murder. Why he must run away if he want to prove he is innocence.DHS have an alibi that 11Mei 2002 he with his father until 03:10 when Jung Min Soek reported missing by Park Kyung Choon.

I only hope in Kim Mo Jim cassette recorder there is video who recorderded that the murder is someone else.

and one hope is to find the corpse of Jung Min Soek.

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If real Baek Hee Sung turns out to be the accomplice, I mean, that's too much of a coincidence. And I think that's where the story is heading given the details provided by the preview. I don't know how they will pull that angle though. Right now it feels too makjang for me. But the show has been very good in subverting my expectations and tempering its makjang tendencies, so I remain hopeful. 

 

I think detective Cho is being reasonable when he confronted Jiwon and suggested that she be pulled out of the case. I don't think that it's him being an a**. As far as his relationship with his colleagues goes, they treat each other as family, him as a big brother figure to Jiwon. If I was in Cho's position I'd do the same. At the end of the day, in the eyes of the law, Hyun Soo is still a criminal on the run. 

 

Episode 10 really did a good job of showing how Hae Soo has lived her life in the last 18 years. I love that hovering shot they did while Hae Soo and Moo Jin were arguing up in the rooftop. Their choice of location for an apartment crowded by taller buildings seem to mirror how the rest of the society has been treating her—a spectacle observed from up above, analyzed from every angle. And how she hides inside a lightless house for days on end, too emotionally exhausted to go out. Reminds me of how my neighbors often think I was not at home because I rarely turn on the lights. I guess it's the idea of invisibility that somehow makes her feel secure. Like a reprieve from the constant judgment. 

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13 hours ago, partyon said:

 

1) Who is Do Min Seok's accomplice?

2) Would you like to know more about Cha Ji Won's past?

3) Do you think Kim Moo Jin (reporter) and Do Hae Soo (Hyun Soo's sister) will rekindle their romance?

 

 

1) BHS. The dad won't give Hyun Su the money if he was the accomplice and he probably doesn't know it's his son.

 

2) No, I don't think it's a good idea to open a new track that's unrelated to the main plot.

 

3) Yes, He should wait for her to get out of jail. It's hard for DHS to find someone who isn't gonna judge her for what she did when she got her life ruined because of her father's crimes. I hope she'll get happiness in the end.

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1. In bar at 11 Mei 2002, the accomplice accidentally dropped Do Hyun Su jacket and hand over car keys that are put under the jacket to Do Min Soek. (Do Hyun Su flashback episode 9) 

2.in episode7 based on witness confession (young Hee) 12 Mei 2002 at 02.30 Young He crashed into kidnapper's car with licence plate number Gyeonggi 58, GA 3194

3.After 2 week Do Min Soek commit suicide. But he must killed by the accomplice

4what exactly the date of Do Hyun Su hit by Bark Hee Sung car? 

5.what the meaning "goodbye Baek Man Wo to Do Hyun Su. Will he get rid of him?

 

6. When Baek Man Wo said that Baek Hee Sung could have a good job, good wife, and beautiful daughter, scene change to Change Ji Won family. Will Baek Hee Sung steal Do Hyun Su precious wife and daughter? 

 

 

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18 hours ago, violina said:

You are absolutely right. Isn't it wonderful when a film production is flowing smoothly like a cogwheel.No acting holes anywhere to disrupt the story telling. But more importantly, I have seen this opinion everywhere not only in this thread.I said it a few pages back too. Moon Chae Won & Lee Joon Gi are great actors who just haven't been lucky enough to work in stellar productions for a very long time.Look what they can deliver when you pair them with a great writer and director, who knows their acting strengths and maximises on them to help them bring out this amazing performance.

 

Let me join @jazz85 she said:

I badly want this for both for them.Both of them are so underated.Its criminal. LJK is popular but his acting skill is not appreciate enough I think compared to his peers or even some who are his juniors. As for Moon Chae Won, she is very VERY underrated.So even a nomination would make me happy. For now, I think the only contenders are Once Again, IONTBO and maybe Forest of Secrets 2. If this drama continues to stay strong like this till the end.They have a chance.  The others that were critically acclaimed in the first half of the year like Itaewon Class, World of the Married, Clash landing on you, etc already received their awards at Baeksang. At least Baeksang they award excellence not popularity. For example, forest of secrets 1 and Mother(directed by the same directer for this drama) worn the daesang even though the ratings were similar to this drama.Some of the actors were nominated, others won. There are also other award ceremonies like Korean Drama Awards, The Seoul Awards, and The Seoul International Awards. 

 

At the very least, if the actors cant win at least the writer, director or even technical award(ost and cinematography) should be nominated and or get an award.They have been excellent.

@violina and @jazz85, you have said it all for me.

 

it is criminal if Lee Joon Gi and Moon Chae Won not win best actors award! 

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15 hours ago, partyon said:


This time the questions are:

1) Who is Do Min Seok's accomplice?

2) Would you like to know more about Cha Ji Won's past?

3) Do you think Kim Moo Jin (reporter) and Do Hae Soo (Hyun Soo's sister) will rekindle their romance?

 

1. probably Baek Hee-song. but i hope not. too many coincidences and i think it's still a bit early to decide. plus, it'd not be that shocking since everyone is expecting it anyways. 

2. YES! she's the only main character whose background isn't clear yet. the flashbacks we got of her past included Hyun-su in it so i hope we get to know a bit more. it'd be a waste if they don't show the background story of a character like Ji-won's. 

3. i don't think it's really necessary. what Hae-soo needs is to love herself. but i wouldn't mind if they end up together later on. 

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1) Who is Do Min Seok's accomplice?

I'm not sure yet...i hope will be somebody unexpected...

2) Would you like to know more about Cha Ji Won's past?

yes i want to know more about her...

3) Do you think Kim Moo Jin (reporter) and Do Hae Soo (Hyun Soo's sister) will rekindle their romance?

Maybe...

 

Lee Joon Gi and Moon Chae Won must  win best actors award!  i agree with you @Tuiwgn!!!

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57 minutes ago, Tuiwgn said:

@violina and @jazz85, you have said it all for me.

 

it is criminal if Lee Joon Gi and Moon Chae Won not win best actors award! 

 
FOE crew snd LJG MCW definitely deserve recognition of their brilliantness!! But as much as i want them both to win, most of the awards are given to dramas with high ratings... so FOE has very little chance to snatch awards... 

   
Hopefully Baeksang, being one of the ceremony who rewards true talent, will be able to reward them but its still too long for the next Baeksang ceremony (last one was held in June 2020) and by that time there will be other new dramas which make FoE forgotten. Sad reality but rating matters

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19 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

 I just wanna thank whoever casted them to work together again.

 

Let's thank the Chief Producer of Studio Dragon, Yoo Sang-won for that. FOE is jointly produced by Monster Union and Studio Dragon. Before Yoo Sang-won became a Studio Dragon CP, he was with Monster Union. This is the same company that produced KBS The Princess' Man 2011 (Chaewon's) and KBS Joseon Gunman 2014 (Joongi's) 

 

P.S these two dramas have the same team. Even the same director, Kim Jung-min PD.

Monster Union's site http://monsterunion.co.kr

 

The CP did an interview with OSEN last August where he mentioned that he met with Chaewon again after The Princess' Man 2011 and Joongi after Joseon Gunman 2014. He talked about FOE in his interview

 

Here's the article

 

https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/109/0004252802

 

2 hours ago, Cindy Tjioe said:

most of the awards are given to dramas with high ratings... so FOE has very little chance to snatch awards... 

 

'Mother' which was directed by the same PD as FOE won had similar ratings as FOE and it won Best Drama at Baeksang and several other awards and nominations :)

 

With FOE, many know the reason why the ratings aren't high is due to the timeslot but it is very well received and popular in and out Korea. They wouldn't be on top 5 brand reputation for drama actors if the drama doesn't do well in S.K. So I think there are still chances for them. If not for the actors, at least for the drama.

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I am just now watching ep 10 and this show has gone by so fast!! Only 6 more episodes and it has slowed down a little bit but still good! 
 

I am glad our OTP is finallllly opening up to each other in their own ways. I was getting annoyed in ep 9 when they were still lying to each other but then really happy that finally, they are conveying their real feelings. I am also glad that the sister called JW and told her that DH wasn’t involved in the murder and that finally after all these years, she is taking action to figure out who that guy was at the funeral. 

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21 minutes ago, mulberry9 said:

 

Let's thank the CP of Studio Dragon, Yoo Sang-won for that. FOE is produced by Monster Union and Studio Dragon. Before Yoo Sang-won became a Studio Dragon CP, he was with Monster Union. This is the same company who produced The Princess' Man 2011 (Chaewon) and Joseon Gunman 2014 (Joongi's) 

P.S these two dramas have the same team. Even the same director.

 

The CP did an interview with OSEN last August where he mentioned that he met with Chaewon again after The Princess' Man and Joongi after Joseon Gunman. He talked about FOE in his interview

 

Here's the article

 

https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/109/0004252802

 

'Mother' which was directed by the same PD as FOE won had similar ratings as FOE and it won Best Drama at Baeksang and several other awards and nominations :)

 

With FOE, many know the reason why the ratings aren't high is due to the timeslot but it is very well received and popular in and out Korea. They wouldn't be on top 5 brand reputation for drama actors if the drama doesn't do well in S.K. So I think there are still chances for them. If not for the actors, at least for the drama.

 

I am so glad after reading all of your thoughts regarding this drama and awards. Truely I was hoping this drama, cast and crews are atleast to be a nominees. As of episode 10, it maintains a good momentum and its quality is just a boom for me. It might not receiving many hypes (eg: was not air in Netflix and the airtime was too late). I hope this drama deserve what it should be. Not root for its popularity but the quality of the show. 

 

Finger cross and I hope this would be a turning point for MCW and LJG too. MCW yeah as u guys says an underrated good actress and her latest project since 2015 makes her that. I am wishing this drama to be as good until the end and deserve what its deserve.

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21 hours ago, Jillia said:

I have to say for me as well the drama made such a effort to let me know Ji Won might be a person with "two faces" and then the whole thing with her father. I would be a bit disappointed if the drama doesn't make proper use of it. So let's hope we get some revelation in the next episodes. :D

 

Yes. I think one episode might be enough to cover it up. I don't think it needs to be prolonged but maybe just an understanding of what kind of family Ji Won has before meeting Hyun Soo. By the looks of it, she seemed to be just like any normal human being. But it wouldn't hurt to get a little glimpse of it as well.

 

I think most of us share the same sentiments regarding the awards and all. For some reason, I am always drawn to dramas who are not so high in ratings or even some that are underrated. I think I may have watched more not-so popular ones than those are. So seeing this drama be recognized in terms of awards would be nice and most certainly be rewarding for the people behind this drama, cast, crew, director, etc.

 

 

Btw, I just noticed how lovely Ji Won and Hyun Soo's wedding rings' design are :fullofhearts:

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P.S. Does anyone know when will Feel You OST be officially released? :)

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Another theory about Baek man woo, hee sung, hyun su and jung mi sook. 

 

It seems that Baek man woo has a strong motivation for hyun su to not be captured by the police. He would rather pay for hyun su to disappear or for the employment agency to get rid of him. He was even prepared to ask hyun su to kill the taxi driver because he doesn't want hyun su anywhere near the police. If Baek hee sung was an accomplice, then it would make no sense as Baek man woo would have wanted hyun su to get caught by the police and be framed for all those crimes. I believe it is important why BMW doesn't like hyun su near the police. 

 

I have a feeling, on the night of the accident, as he was transported back to the Baek house, it is likely that hyun su saw something he shouldn't have.

 

I think when he reached the house, it is possible that he saw :

Spoiler

Jung mi sook trapped in the Baek residence. What If on the same night besides hee sung getting in a coma, jung mi sook also died that night and ended up getting buried in the garden? Could hyun su have witnessed that but forgotten after he woke up from his injuries? 

I think the baeks are scared that hyun su will eventually remember what happened that night, that's why Baek man woo wanted to keep him close to the extent of even adopting him, and going to great lengths to ensure he does not get caught by the police. 

 

 

3 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

 

Yes. I think one episode might be enough to cover it up. I don't think it needs to be prolonged but maybe just an understanding of what kind of family Ji Won has before meeting Hyun Soo. By the looks of it, she seemed to be just like any normal human being. But it wouldn't hurt to get a little glimpse of it as well.

 

I think most of us share the same sentiments regarding the awards and all. For some reason, I am always drawn to dramas who are not so high in ratings or even some that are underrated. I think I may have watched more not-so popular ones than those are. So seeing this drama be recognized in terms of awards would be nice and most certainly be rewarding for the people behind this drama, cast, crew, director, etc.

 

Btw, I just noticed how lovely Ji Won and Hyun Soo's wedding rings' design are

 

P.S. Does anyone know when will Feel You OST be officially released? :)

I think in Korea, its hard to get recognition if the ratings are not high. However, "mother" and "my ahjussi" were exceptions as really big names and movie darlings are associated with those projects. Objectively I have watched mother, and while it is really really well made, I think flower of evil is better. However mother was a bit more artistic and had in general a wider appeal which is the type of drama that the Korean academy like to reward. Flower of evil could fall short mainly due to some stigma attached to the show being a melo, and casting "popular" rather than serious actors. (while ljg is very established, he is often typecast as a "popular" actor, which I myself find baffling). I don't have high hopes for baeksang to be honest. But mother was recognized in cannes, and I hope flower of evil will get a chance to go around an international circuit that's free from the prejudice and stigmas that the Korean entertainment industry is known for. 

 

Regarding the rings, i am eagering awaiting for the flashback of how hee sung made the rings and how he goes about proposing to jiwon. I believe there might be some meaning to the design, perhaps inspired by his mother. 

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On 8/30/2020 at 1:18 AM, lightbringer06 said:

I so agree with this one ~ Moon Chae Won and Lee Joon Ki deserve some awards for their performance in this. I feel like after Innocent Man, MCW hasn't gotten much breakthrough in her dramas and had been underappreciated. So I'm glad that this drama is a milestone for both of them to showcase their acting prowess and they did not disappoint. I just wanna thank whoever casted them to work together 

There is no harm in casting them for a third time in a sageuk movie/drama in like 2022. There are both great in historical productions. There are in the same agency (namoo actors) so it would easier i guess with the negotiations. As @mulberry9 said they have both worked in historical productions (Princess Man & Joseon Gunman)that were produced by the same company (Monster Union). What if the same company brought them together and produced a sizzling sageuk piece starring them.

 

9 hours ago, Tuiwgn said:

it is criminal if Lee Joon Gi and Moon Chae Won not win best actors award! 

Even tVN acknowledged their skills already.Look at the caption that was posted with these pictures:

 

From @tvndrama.official—
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Facial acting masters Lee Joongi & Moon Chaewon!
I had such a hard time choosing just 16 from like 100..

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i am vain but I hope they sell a replica of the wedding ring. it looks so beautiful.

 

as for the drama i am on the edge of my seat watching epi 11. I am glad that JiWon hints to Hyun Soo that she knows his real identity. I have no clue as who is the accomplice is because it is too early for second guess. Hints are pointing to too many people. For all we know it could be JiWon herself.

 

You guys are so insightful in your analysis.

 

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