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2 hours ago, joybran said:

That would be impossible because that was the night Jung Mi Sook was kidnapped, May 11. The foreman wasn't killed until months later in the fall. He certainly wasn't killed while DMS was still alive.

 
Well, I think we just stumbled upon a huge plot hole!!!

 

Because according to what we saw, BHS made that phone call the night JMS was kidnapped. The night he returned the car keys to DMS at the bar. You can clearly see BHS was wearing the same clothes when he made the phone call and when he returned the coat. It couldn’t have been months after that. So it doesn’t make sense that he was talking about the foreman when DMS was still alive. 
 

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1. I guess YSC hide Jung Mi Sook in Do Min Soek House.
In episode 4 CJW know all the address of Do Min Soek.House in Paju, Holiday House in Taean.All I hate about VJW and DHS relationship is they never trust each other.If DHS honest with Cha Ji Won that he got threat call from the murderer, the problem will not be more complicated. CJW is smart police. in Baek Man Wo house she know there is strange thing but she can identified it. I hate writer who make their relationship suspicious of each other. Also DHS isn't honest to CJW why he is out early in the morning in the day that cleaning volunteer found the corpse. 

2.In episode 4 also CJW said there were 7 victim of serial murder but 1 person wasn't found.is Ju Min Soek.she still alive.in episode 12, Gong Mija found 7 nails.So who's nail? Do Min Soek nail?

 CJW also said to Detective IM:If Do Min Soek doesn't commit suicide then serial murder case is unknown.( I believe BHS killed him by himself or ask YSC to killed him. and Detective Im said we don't know what monster mind).All right nail was found at Do Min Soek worship.Did is plan by BHS to trap him as serial murder? we know all the left nails found by GMJ in BHS room.

3.After the World Cup  serial murder case dissapered.We know that BHS really like World Cup like he said to his mom. So who bribed the media so that. a serial murder case could just dissapear?


 

@joybran @aisling.02.30 12 Mei 2002 Young Hee accidentally hit a car with number 58 GA 3194.(BHS car). Maybe he was threatening Young Hee the same day after that accident. 

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1 hour ago, aisling said:

 
Well, I think we just stumbled upon a huge plot hole!!!

 

Because according to what we saw, BHS made that phone call the night JMS was kidnapped. The night he returned the car keys to DMS at the bar. You can clearly see BHS was wearing the same clothes when he made the phone call and when he returned the coat. It couldn’t have been months after that. So it doesn’t make sense that he was talking about the foreman when DMS was still alive.

It's not the same day even though he was wearing the same clothes. It takes place after he gave Haesoo the fish pendant and after the foreman was murdered. Not sure what his intentions were but it seems bae hee sung hatched the plan to frame do hyun soo for his crimes after min seoks death. He gave hae soo the fish pendant to give to hyun soo, he also left the message for the cleaner ahjumma implying that he was do hyun soo. So I think the purpose of the call was more  to frame hyun soo than to threaten the ahjumma. 

 

 

Also, some thoughts on what happened between cha ji won and hyun soo in ep 13.

 

I was devastated by what happened in the end but I also believed that the events that happened were somewhat believable and not as far fetched as most would think. 

 

I think the main contrast that the episode brought out, was how strong cha ji won's character was, and how weak hyun suu is, despite how others seem to see him as somewhat impenetrable. There also still seems to be a disconnect between how ji won views hyun suu vs.what kind of person hyun suu actually is despite what happens in ep 11. I think the writer Is doing her best so that these 2 characters get on the same page by ep 14. As the viewer, we've seen all the panic attacks, impulsiveness and manic behaviour hyun suu displays to know he is really quite broken. But ji won doesn't, she only sees how he functions in front of her and how he takes care of Eunha. Ep 13 was the first time she has ever seen hyun suu coming close to having a panic attack. I am actually glad that hyun suu somewhat snaps in front of jiwon  at the end of ep 13, so that the two characters finally know everything about each other.

 

As to why hyun soo doesn't tell jiwon this himself, the thing is, it is too difficult for someone relate their mental issues with someone else without feeling like they were getting shut down. While they were driving home, hyun suu was open about the feelings of fear and paranoia he was going through, but I felt the way that ji won responded (to have faith in the might of the police) was logical, but not what hyun suu needs to hear at that point in time, and probably a wrong response for someone suffering from paranoia. In fact, I don't think he was calmed down by jiwon's words, he seemed to put his mask back on and shut himself out again after that scene. 

 

While I think hyun soo has no intention of hurting jiwon at the ending ep 13, it was a well writtened scene that both served to help jiwon realize how mentally ill her husband really is while keeping the viewers in suspense. To gloss over his mental issues and have them trust each other 100% when not all the cards are laid out on the table would be disappointing and unrealistic. 

 

As for jiwon doubting hyun suu, I also thought that it was a rational decision. So far she has never come across actual proof that her husband was involved in any crime. But the fingerprint was undeniable evidence. Although she requested for detective choi to not handcuff hyun suu, what she meant was, if there ever comes a time when hyun suu has to be handcuffed, she would want to be the one to do it gently for him. I believe she was trying to help him in the scene, as we also understand that jiwon has complete faith in the law and the criminal punishment system, and genuinely thought that arresting him was the best way to prove his innocence. 

 

So in summary, I don't think the ending was illogical at all. 

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Finally decided to delurk. (Actually, not all dramas can prompt me to do so.)  Really enjoy reading your character analysis and thoughts, yeorobun.  

 

Wow! Ep 12 and 13 are filled with many surprises and new revelations.  Other than what you have shared, my two cents on the episodes:

 

1. CJW decided to arrest DHS because she is a cop after all.  She operates and does her job based on what is real and evident.  Added to the physical evidence, she tried to put the puzzles by herself:  She caught DHS had something in his mind and  overflowed the glass with the tomato juice all over the kitchen table in the morning and later found out from Eun Ha that DHS was out the night at that very hour.  We can't blame her too much for suspecting her husband, because she also knew DHS was hiding something from her.  She assured DHS, "I will make sure you don't get punished for what you didn't do"  and it is not that DHS wouldn't cooperate with her, he needed to find the accomplice ASAP because he just got the threatening phone call.  He actually gave his hands to be handcuffed, but then he heard his father's words.

 

2. I love how CJW can calm DHS down.  When he got angry in the car, she knew how to encourage and lighten him up.  Sweet scene!

 

3.  Episode 13 shed some light on DHS's issues with trust and love. 

 

His father said," I really love your mother and I thought you mother loved me too. 

But she was in love with an illusion (I wonder what kind of illusion it is)  She couldn't accept for who I really was.  In the end, she abandoned you two and ran away from me. Love can be very cunning.  It's very sly.   It makes you think it can solve everything. But in the end, it betrays you.  Hyun Su, listen to me carefully.  When you feel the urge to trust somebody one day, it means you're becoming weak.  That's all there is to it."

DHS:  Tell me, do you trust me? Or deep down inside, do you believe that I really could've killed her?  If you don't even believe me, how will anybody else believe what I say?

 

Very intriguing dialogue, isn't it?

-Now we learnt why DHS had issues with being loving.  CJW and DHS's needs of word affirmations are different.  Throughout the drama, CJW loves to hear that DHS loves her, DHS loves to hear that CJW trusts him.  To DHS, if he loves CJW, he is going to be vulnerable and become weak.   And becoming weak, he is easily victimized by others. Growing up, DHS was indoctrinated by his father to trust no one and think that love was very cunning and sly.  Therefore when he finally  said 'I love you' to CJW and Eun Ha, he just made a  breakthrough.  It was a big step for him to do so.  To DHS, he knows that CJW loves him if she trusts him.  

-To me, what DHS said is true in all marriages.  If a spouse doesn't trust his wife/her husband, how will anybody else trust him/her?

 

Maybe in the next episode, they will reveal that after CJW turned off the camera, they later did some talks.  It didn't seem to me that they were handcuffed together though, but CJW followed DHS on the run? (I could be wrong on this).

 

Like many of you said,  I believe Jung Mi Sook, BHS mom, YSC will be the important key roles in revealing the murderer later on.

 

Can't wait until the next episodes!!!

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10 June 2002 is Do Min Soek Funeral. And this day BHs give fish chain to Doo Hae Su. And tell her that DHS will suffer for future. So he has been planning to slander Do Hyun Su as accomplice. He gave the fish key chain to Do Hae Su and saying that DHs will have bad luck and he know exactly that Do Hae Su love her brother and will give him Jung Min Soek fish key chain and DHs would be accused of being an accomplice to the murderer. 

After DmS  died, the serial murder case was known. 

What date Village foreman died? 

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1 hour ago, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

It's not the same day even though he was wearing the same clothes. It takes place after he gave Haesoo the fish pendant and after the foreman was murdered. Not sure what his intentions were but it seems bae hee sung hatched the plan to frame do hyun soo for his crimes after min seoks death. He gave hae soo the fish pendant to give to hyun soo, he also left the message for the cleaner ahjumma implying that he was do hyun soo. So I think the purpose of the call was more  to frame hyun soo than to threaten the ahjumma. 

 


I still think it’s a plot hole. The writer didn’t think this through.
 

If the threatening phone call happened the different night, how was Hyun Soo able to hear his father’s voice in it??? If his father was dead at that time, he would’ve not been there in the recording!

 

Remeber how Ji Won went to analyse the recording? The IT guy was able to reduce background noises and there were two male voices - one belonging to the bartender and the other to DMS! So logically the phone call happened on the night when DMS and DHS were at the bar when DHS clearly heard his father’s voice in the recording.

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10 hours ago, aisling said:

 
Well, I think we just stumbled upon a huge plot hole!!!

 

Because according to what we saw, BHS made that phone call the night JMS was kidnapped. The night he returned the car keys to DMS at the bar. You can clearly see BHS was wearing the same clothes when he made the phone call and when he returned the coat. It couldn’t have been months after that. So it doesn’t make sense that he was talking about the foreman when DMS was still alive.

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I think they forgot to change BHS outfit! But I agree, the village foreman death DIDN'T happen yet, DHS wouldn't be coming back to the village after the village foreman's death.

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“Flower of Evil”s Moon Chaewon, expanding her character’s range through her acting

 

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Actor Moon Chaewon is broadening her character’s range with her acting ability on tVN’s WedThur drama ‘Flower of Evil’.


Throughout her career, she has built unique character’s range through her riveting acting in various projects. This time Moon Chaewon has shown us a new side we can’t take our eyes off Perfectly filling the gap of 2 years, making us go “Ah, as expected of her”, adding yet another legendary character.


In the drama, Moon Chaewon transforms into homicide detective Cha Jiwon who chases after her husband’s secret identity, heating up the small screen.


At the start of the show, Moon Chaewon’s acting ability allowed her character effortless duality. She portrayed a charismatic professional who doesn’t miss anything and leads investigations on site. As a veteran homicide detective, she can make us nervous. But in front of her beloved family, she shows a charming reversal into someone harmless, adding to the story. As the episodes air, Moon Chaewon’s emotional acting is maturing. The confusion of discovering her caring husband is the son of a serial killer the world is after, and the suspicion, discomfort and more that follows is not easy to express. Her deep gazes, subtle changes of expression allow us to sympathise with the character.


Even in the tense suspense, Moon Chaewon has naturally portrayed the sorrow melo too. Her love for her husband is unchanging even if it destroys her. To the point of giving up on a dream she’s had since she was young to protect her husband. As such, she has convincingly portrayed contemplation, internal conflict and love through her acting.


The character Cha Jiwon has many charms. With Moon Chaewon’s passionate acting, you cant not fall for this show. Going one step above the actress we trust and watch, Moon Chaewon’s masterful acting is the highlight of ‘Flower of Evil’.


As an actor, Moon Chaewon has widened her acting range. There are three episodes left, and in that time, we hope to see new sides too.


tvN’s WedThur drama ‘Flower of Evil’ starring Moon Chaewon airs every Wed and Thurs at 10: 50pm.

 

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On 9/12/2020 at 12:49 PM, Nadnad2112 said:

Hi, i’m newbie here.

a little bit confused about the timeline.

Hello, welcome to the thread.Picked this one up from instagram. Its from Episode 1 - 13.

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20 minutes ago, bombshellchick1 said:

I think they forgot to change BHS outfit! But I agree, the village foreman death DIDN'T happen yet, DHS wouldn't be coming back to the village after the village foreman's death.

 

This is what I'm curious about, from what I can understand, Do Min Seok and Do Hyun Soo were in the bar where Baek Hee Seung made the recorded phone call after the witness saw him. But, what's confusing was when he talked about the village foreman murder. Is he talking about the murder that was just about to happen? What is it all a plan? Did I miss something? 

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21 hours ago, Jillia said:

I love Cha Ji Won and Do Hyun Soo and I think we all can agree that these two need a big break from everything when this drama is over.

They really do chingu. They really do need a break and return to their marital bliss. This is why I appreciate them showing these kinds of moments despite the chaos.

 

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5 hours ago, aisling said:


I still think it’s a plot hole. The writer didn’t think this through.
 

If the threatening phone call happened the different night, how was Hyun Soo able to hear his father’s voice in it??? If his father was dead at that time, he would’ve not been there in the recording!

 

Remeber how Ji Won went to analyse the recording? The IT guy was able to reduce background noises and there were two male voices - one belonging to the bartender and the other to DMS! So logically the phone call happened on the night when DMS and DHS were at the bar when DHS clearly heard his father’s voice in the recording.

All he heard on the tape was the word "ashtray" in the bartender's voice. That was what made him remember the whole exchange between the bartender and his father on that night. The flashback to DHS's memory of that night made it seem like his father's voice was on the tape, but it was really only the one word by the bartender. That was what made DHS identify the sound of ice being chipped.

 

When DHS questioned the bartender, one of the first things he established was that the accomplice was a regular customer who would also get hand-chipped ice. That explains why there was the sound of ice being chipped months later when the accomplice made the threatening phone call from the bar. The word "ashtray" could have been said to anyone in any context.

 

Having BHS wear the same shirt months later may have been a mistake, but it is believable that he would wear that same hat whenever he wanted to hide his face, or even whenever he went out. I don't see any major plot hole.

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43 minutes ago, Erika Song said:

 

This is what I'm curious about, from what I can understand, Do Min Seok and Do Hyun Soo were in the bar where Baek Hee Seung made the recorded phone call after the witness saw him. But, what's confusing was when he talked about the village foreman murder. Is he talking about the murder that was just about to happen? What is it all a plan? Did I miss something? 

It's probably just to confuse us. I'm sure BHS would NOT talk about a murder that's about to happen as he wouldn't know about what Hae Soo was thinking.

 

May 2002 Bar scene > kidnapping> witness saw>witness reported to police> witness retracted her statement Bec DHS alibi that he was with DMS whole night until morning>

 

 After a few weeks (June 2002) DMS suicide/funeral> 7 bodies dug in mountain> DMS suspected by village and so exorcism DHS (villagers thinks he's an accomplice to the serial killer DMS) > Hae Soo asked foreman to stop exorcism, ends up killing foreman, DHS took the blame and ran away> police found foreman blood on DHS book etc.> BHS made that threat CALL to witness (fall 2002) It's BHS chance to put the blame of Jung Mi Sook kidnapping to DHS.

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10 minutes ago, Shining tiara said:

@joybran  DHS overtake the life of real BHS after he completed his mandatory military service. So he kind of got exemption right. So it is possible that after his true identity is exposed to the public ( of course after proving his innocence) he have to serve the military.

Doesn't military service in Korea have to be completed by the age of 32? At 36, he would be too old. Or is that not how it works?

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Can we also call this drama the "flower hands of evil" :D?I have never seen a show that placed so much focus on hands. I dont blame them though. DHS and CJW have really pretty hands. A total contrast to BHS short ugly nails. Maybe because he doesnt have a loving person to hold his hands so he eats his fingers:(

 

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11 hours ago, Jillia said:

@Shining tiara @joybran

If he somehow skipped military service and someone finds out.... I'd say good luck for him. :lol: Koreans don't like it when anyone is skipping it without serious medical reason.

 

He can skip because of mental health issue right? Havent some people be exempted from military because of mental health. Even if that quack psychiatrist misdiagnosed DHS.He has a neurological problem and lots of trauma that need to be treated. Hallucination daddy could show up at the army if he is triggered.He would start choking other soldiers at the military base.

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7 minutes ago, violina said:

Can we call call this drama this the "flower hands of evil" :D?I have never seen a show that placed so much focus on hands. I dont blame them though. DHS and CJW have really pretty hands. A total contrast to BHS short ugly nails. Maybe because he doesnt have a loving person to hold his hands so he eats his fingers:(

 

He can say he skipped because of mental health issue right? Havent some people be exempted from military because of mental health. Even if that quack psychiatrist misdiagnosed DHS.He has a neurological problem and lots of trauma that need to be treated. Hallucination daddy could show up at the army if he is triggered.He would start choking other soldiers at the military base.

Yes, in Do Hyun Soo's case that was/would've been probably the reason. I mean these days it's pretty "normal" to get exempted from military service for mental reasons. But I think back then Koreans considered it an excuse. I don't think the drama will really get into it. But I think as well for Do Hyun Soo it would be a valid cause. :)

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On 9/12/2020 at 4:51 AM, luffie said:

I am beginning to think that maybe, just maybe, that the dad is in innocent too! What a mind game!!!! 

I also think same way..The writer loves to give a piece of story, but in the end when she opens the whole, it is become a different thing. 
So it is possible that the writer just directs us to think DMS is a serial killer, but in the end he only do some "lunatic things" but not the killer.
Many things need revelation until the end..just like the director said it will be over completely, when it over:wut:

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