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[Drama 2020] The Flower of Evil, 악의 꽃


FOE Poll 7: The ending  

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  1. 1. Did you like the ending of Flower of Evil?

    • Yes, the finale was a masterpiece and it gave the story closure
    • I liked parts of it, but wish we would have gotten more happy scenes in the end
    • No, I hated the amnesia


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4 hours ago, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

Can I ask a question? BMW calls yeom sang chul on the phone to tell him that hyun soo is working with the police. Did I miss something, did Hyun Soo tell him BMW that he was working with the police? 

If not who told BMW? 

I don't think he knew. I think he just told the gangster that to force the gangster's hand to get rid of him.

 

This show is so amazing. What I really appreciate about the writer is that they gave us one storyline focus in the first half and now we will have another in the second. We had to get through Ji Won mistrusting Hyun Su and reveal everything and now we will have a true thriller in the 2nd half where they work to catch the real killer. 

 

I'm so impressed with the writing and the acting. I honestly went into this show not expecting all that much and it's quickly become one of my favorites of 2020.

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38 minutes ago, Jillia said:

@mulberry9-chingu, I like the article a lot. I think it's good to see they know people are tuning in and appreciating the hard work cast and crew are putting into this drama. :D

 

 

Chingu, it's hard for them not to notice since they keep trending and their data are all high. I think tvN didn't put much expectation on this drama (hence the poor slot)..so it's really nice to see.

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@Jillia If I were to guess, I think the mother will find out soon that she was being manipulated by her son and will turn on him in the ending. She seems half-way decent underneath all that crazy. 

 

I think the ending will consist of BMW, BHS going to jail and the mother being left behind. 

5 hours ago, Shining tiara said:

Real BHS was talking about Do hae su over the call but what if he was actually on his way to meet CJW. ( remember the creepy grin on his face when he mention that it was a woman)

 

Just the thought of this twist send me chills

 

Yes! That was super confusing to me as well! 

 

The way BHS said had he met this woman, it would have changed all of their lives, does that mean had the accident not happened it would have changed all their lives or does he mean the actual woman would have changed all their lives? 

 

With 5 episodes left, I think there might be one more big twist and this might be it. 

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1.Will Do Hae So admit that she killed the village foreman,Why I think Baek Hee Sung provoke the village foreman to do  Do Hyun Su exorcism ritual

2. I find it strange why only 1 police who guarding Yeom Sam Chul(head human trafficking)while he is an important convict who knows the accomplice.Why the police is so careless in putting a handcuffs keys.

3. Baek Maid must know something about Baek Hee Sung murder

4.Baek Hee Sung tricked his parent by saying Do Min Soek  threatened to killed his parents.HE is a real psychopath and he is good on cheating by pretending to cry.U see after he cry , his face turned creepy.

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31 minutes ago, thingskateknows said:

I don't think he knew. I think he just told the gangster that to force the gangster's hand to get rid of him.

 

This show is so amazing. What I really appreciate about the writer is that they gave us one storyline focus in the first half and now we will have another in the second. We had to get through Ji Won mistrusting Hyun Su and reveal everything and now we will have a true thriller in the 2nd half where they work to catch the real killer. 

 

I'm so impressed with the writing and the acting. I honestly went into this show not expecting all that much and it's quickly become one of my favorites of 2020.

Same! So far probably one of the best written dramas this year.  :D Even if there are/were a couple of question marks left in the end I think it would still be a better drama than many which have aired in the past years. I also think no matter what the ending will be it will be satisfying. (I'm saying that right now but I will ready my tissue box in case of a sad ending. :o)

 

25 minutes ago, mulberry9 said:

Chingu, it's hard for them not to notice since they keep trending and their data are all high. I think tvN didn't put much expectation on this drama (hence the poor slot)..so it's really nice to see.

Sorry to cut your post, chingu! :D

 

Yes, it's a bit sad that it got this late timeslot. I think 10pm would've been fine since it's not that explicit with anything. But yeah, the fact it get positive feedback and recognition shows it doesn't matter because good work will be noticed anyways.

21 minutes ago, sas79 said:

@Jillia If I were to guess, I think the mother will find out soon that she was being manipulated by her son and will turn on him in the ending. She seems half-way decent underneath all that crazy. 

 

I think the ending will consist of BMW, BHS going to jail and the mother being left behind.

Sorry to cut your post! :D

 

Is it weird I actually want Go Mi Ja to redeem herself? I think she has been struggling ever since her son is in coma, whatever part she played in it. So I think she and her husband know more. I feel like BMW is beyond redemption but GMJ might be. I know redemption isn't always necessary but I think she genuinely loves her son, for better or worse. So I could see it happening that she will play a part to resolve the mystery.

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The bridge scene exceeded my expectations. I expected it to be emotional but I didn't think that I will get to see DHS crying and apologizing like that. I cried with him too. CJW's lines were beautiful too. She was willing to throw away her career for him. When they returned home I can't describe in words just how warm I felt then. It's like even after everything they still have a place to go. Their safe heaven. I missed Eun Ha. Hoping she will appear in the next epi though I am not sure how she will handle this but I think she'll be fine after all she's daddy's girl. DHS will just have to buy her an egg tart and she will be happy again.

 

That night BHS must have been going to meet Do Haesoo though it will be a big twist if it was CJW. I kind of want it to be CJW. Among the main characters she is the only one who doesn't have any past. Her character is interesting. She is already better than most of the female leads. Solves problems, saves hero and doesn't believes in other's words. But I think it will be even more interesting if she has some connections to those serial killings.

 

Nothing to say about about their performance. As expected from Moon Chaewoon and Lee Joongi. 

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List of my question that still dont have answer..

 

1. What happen to hyun soo mother. Is it relate to the current serial killer

2. Why real baek soong coma

3. Where is the taxi driver's wife body

4. Who is the THE REAL SERIAL KILLER?

5. What mujin saw at the basement?

 

Regarding thw village head cases.. i think we kinda know the story.. but perhaps there are still more to it..

 

 

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@Jillia Agree with Go Mi Ja part. She is wrong too but she doesn't seem to be evil like her husband and son. I think there is still some humanity left in her. Maybe she actually believed that her son was blackmailed so she helped him. 

 

@ainipang 3. I think the body they found on ep 12 belonged to the taxi driver's wife. 

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@ainipang

I thought Do Hyun Soo's mother disappeared and her body was found later ( I think even in the basement? Not sure about that.) But I need to rewatch the earlier episode. I think it was mentioned.

 

Usually if they're partners in crime, the older person is the actual predator/serial killer. So that would mean Do Min Seok is the serial killer while real Baek Hee Sung is the accomplice. BUT I also think something got out of hand. Because Do Min Seok committing suicide doesn't make sense. It only makes sense if it was staged... for some reason by either real Baek Hee Sung OR maybe even his father to erase evidence and witnesses.

 

I still need to rewatch the episodes. :D

 

@-Love Blossom-

Yeah, maybe I'm also too naive. But I think even though she is emotional and reacts first before she thinks she is still having empathy of sort. So I kind of hope despite her love for her son she will do the right thing in the end.

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Family drama with a dark side

(From left) Lee Joon-gi, Jung Seo-yeon and Moon Chae-won play a seemingly perfect family in the thriller-romance Flower Of Evil.(From left) Lee Joon-gi, Jung Seo-yeon and Moon Chae-won play a seemingly perfect family in the thriller-romance Flower Of Evil.PHOTO: ACTOR_JG/INSTAGRAM

PUBLISHED SEP 3, 2020, 5:00 AM SGT UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO
 

South Korean actor Lee Joon-gi plays a mysterious man hiding a big secret from his wife(Moon Chae-won) in the thriller-romance series Flower Of Evil.

 

But fans will be happy to know that the 38-year-old actor is nothing like his character.

 

In an email interview with The Straits Times, he says: " I am a really bad liar. If I lie, I'll get caught immediately. So if I'm ever in a situation like my character Hee-sung. I don't think I can keep my past hidden for long.My character really loves his wife, but at the same time, he's hiding so much of himself from her.It was a challenge to portray.

 

The two actors previously played colleagues in the 2017 drama Criminal Minds, an adaptation of the long-running American series of the same name (2005-2020).

 

He praises Moon's acting as "confident and nuanced".

 

The 33-year-old actress had good things to say about her on-screen hubby too. He's so handsome, as always.He has so many charms, it's hard to pick one to talk about." She adds: He's very sensitive to his scene partner's feelings and he's also good at livening up the atmosphere on set."

 

The two play parents in the series and both say it was smooth sailing working with Jung Seo-yeon, the child actress who plays the couple's daughter. 

 

Moon(Brilliant Legacy, 2009) recounts over e-mail: " She ran up to me once with a sweet smile and a piece of paper, and when I opened it up, it said 'Moon Chae-won unnie (Korean for older sister), Flower of Evil, fighting!'

 

"And I've continued to receive such notes. Watching her write them so seriously with her tiny hands - it's too adorable."

 

Lee says: the love story outweighs the suspense.The mystery part is about 20 per cent and the rest is romance."While what happens between the couple is really dark, I think the story culminates in love.

 

Both leads say that underneath the deception, there is a strong love binding the main couple.

 

Lee says: " For my character, Ji-won is the first and only person to not have prejudices against him. Her innocence is like a precious gift to him."

 

Moon adds: "Ji-won is someone who believes in what she can see. She's not influenced by others' biases and that's why she can see the warmth and passion in Hee-sung. She believes he's a good person.

 

Flower of Evil is available on iQiyi and Viu, and airs Thursdays and Fridays on tvN (StarHub TV, Channel 824, Singtel TV Channel 518 at 9:45pm.

 

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19 minutes ago, Jillia said:

@ainipang

I thought Do Hyun Soo's mother disappeared and her body was found later ( I think even in the basement? Not sure about that.) But I need to rewatch the earlier episode. I think it was mentioned.

 

Usually if they're partners in crime, the older person is the actual predator/serial killer. So that would mean Do Min Seok is the serial killer while real Baek Hee Sung is the accomplice. BUT I also think something got out of hand. Because Do Min Seok committing suicide doesn't make sense. It only makes sense if it was staged... for some reason by either real Baek Hee Sung OR maybe even his father to erase evidence and witnesses.

 

I still need to rewatch the episodes. :D

 

@-Love Blossom-

Yeah, maybe I'm also too naive. But I think even though she is emotional and reacts first before she thinks she is still having empathy of sort. So I kind of hope despite her love for her son she will do the right thing in the end.

I also think that DMS was killed by either real BHS or BMW...
And i think BHS in coma because of BMW. Maybe BMW thought BHS would destroyed his career.

Anyway, when BMW slapped the BHS I was so relieved. I really really hated the sound of him biting my nails.
BMW played victim in front of his parents. Definitely bad guy material

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Finally sat down with a glass of beer and watched the whole episode properly with subs.. 

The feels... LJG and MCW's just have such a natural chemistry.. i shall touch on that later. 

 

things that i loved:

1) the use of flashbacks in this episode (in fact in every episode) is so well done. You could tell that the writer had meticulously wrote each flashback to deepen our understanding/enhance the dramatic impact of the specific episode it was placed in. When Jiwon said that Eunha was crying because she was feeling several emotions but did not have the language and means to express it, that line was also a metaphorical description of Hyun Soo's character. (She low keyed call her husband out for being a baby, which he totally is). This paved the way for Hyun Soo's eventual outburst, and helped us understand his tears and his inability to cope after shoring up so many emotions over the years.  

 

2) That scene when they went back to the house broke me. The house is a very prominent motif in the show, to hyun soo, it is a structural expression of his inner psyche (as what the director mentioned) , to Ji won, it is  the physical manifestation of the years of effort and love that both of them had put into their relationship. This is the first time both their viewpoints on what the house represented to them converged and it was very emotional indeed. When Hyun Soo realized what the house should have meant to him, and how he came so close to losing it, the sense of grief and loss was palpable;  it was hard to breathe just watching him deal with all these feelings. 

3) the chemistry between MCW and LJG on the bridge
The bridge scene was something that i loved and was also slightly bothered by  (will get back to that later). I really enjoyed the scene, it was well written and the performance really hit hard. I loved that you could tell both MCW and LJG were trying to push each other to the limits of their emotional expression as actors, but it never felt combative. They really have a very natural chemistry and synergy as actors. When Ji Won tried to shut Hyun Soo's rambling out by saying "because that was all i could do/it couldn't be helped", i couldn't help but teared up. 

 

4) Hyun soo's I Love You
It was rather understated for a line that I am sure most viewers were eagerly waiting for, but i kinda liked the low key treatment. For once, the characters are not made to go through hell or physical sacrifice for the viewer to feel vindicated of their love. It was simply a "if you really think I love you, then let me just put it in words if it could make you at ease." I'm glad they didn't make a big deal out of it (or made Hyun Soo suffer more just to prove his love for Ji Won). 

 

5) Their natural banter at the "bed talk" scene was so satisfying to watch. I particular loved it when Ji Won said "Your journey to come to me is so absurd (maldo andwae)" and Hyun So replied, "No, you're the most absurb thing to ever happen to me." It was so romantic and wasn't cringe at all. 

 

6) Kim Ji Hoon (aka the real baek hee sung), what can i say other than "click, click, click...." if i hear that sound at night imma freak out. 

 

7) ASMR livestream realness, 'nough said 

 

What I didn't like:
1) there were a couple of lose ends in this episode that felt like the writer was under pressure to rush things and tie everything up. Like how BMW knew Hyunsoo was working with the police, how Ji won knew Hae soo killed the village head, how Hyun soo completely forgot about the photo of the accomplice and moo jin even though this is the first time i felt moo jin was genuinely worried and being a nice guy towards him. Nevertheless I think the main points of the episode were done well, and I can live with that. This is a great drama so far and i would hate for it to be ruined by pressuring the writer to rush through the last few episodes. 


2) Hyun soo's crying on the bridge, its not that i didn't like the scene, it was just that I was quite bothered by it. I think Lee Joon Gi threw all inhibitions out the window and was really going for some ugly crying mid way through. I was a bit bothered by how he was crying like a child, and I was clenching my fists and cringing the whole time because, you know that uncomfortable feeling you have when you watch someone go through something embarrassing and you wished you weren't there to witness it? that was exactly how i felt. However, to a certain extent, i feel it was intentionally done this way to illicit a strong reaction from the viewer. I mean it all ties back with the flashback scene, and how Hyun Soo is infantile and extremely vulnerable when expressing emotions because he doesn't really know how to. It also makes you understand why he has been keeping it all in for all these years and why he was so insistent to claim that he cannot feel anything when the truth is he just didn't know how to deal with it. 

 

3) Hyun Soo's missing memories from age 1 -9, I smell a korean drama trope. SUBVERT IT PLEASE!!! 

 

 

 

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Hi Everyone!

 

OMG I watched ep 11 last night and dang.

 

@Lmangla Awesome post and you wrote my thoughts so eloquently, thanks for sharing.

 

Others wrote great comments too --too many to remember but I appreciate all of them

@ainipang @-Love Blossom- @Jillia @Latte_Anyday  @violina  @holyfea  @kara_mella @H0ney (your checklist) @kehrite  @aisling  @whiteclover  @hunybunny @noor1 @chickenchopflipflop83

 

Always loved Lee Jun Ki since his debut movie role. He is such a nuanced actor and his expressions. I loved Moon Chae Won too myself as well always considered her a top notch actress. FINALLY getting some recognition (but totally worthy of more) I am chiming in and agreeing! She caught my eye in Painter in the Wind. 

 

DYS to know that JW KNEW all along who he was and did not give up. Wow. I agree his anger got him out of being stuck seeing his beloved hurt to rescue and be there for her. Such powerful performances by our OTP. When DYS was frantically calling her and she ignored his calls. OMG and then that moment of full pent up emotions she looked at him and him teary at her. She KNEW he loved her. He may not be able to articulate it but he DID it with his actions. He put in so much effort though "hearing words are important" he did not realize how to articulate his own feelings well and emotions. So that poignant scene of their hug and her wishing him to experience and KNOW the depth of her love for him. Awwww. The flashbacks of his innocent questions why she cried seeing their lovely baby--and her being patient answering him. He is just sweetie pie husband and just too perfect in his doting. ALso that fear their daughter would be like him and fearing she would not like him. Awww but we know she loves daddy alot. 

 

JW with her Jae Sub sunbae and him letting her have one night he will turn a blind eye. The sunbae's disappointment and anger but in the end he did not blow it and tell everyone else in the team. Their boss who KNEW the sunbae was lying about JW and her daughter being sick. Very cool how their team leader Woo Cheol had that cool fight scene moment (oooh smooth). Then he also cool told JW sunbae you must have a good reason to lie to me. OMG def swoon.

 

HS walking to the Baek residence ---like going into the devil's den. Yikes. Then when the real BSH gnawing on is nails and watching them from his perspective with crazed eyes. BSH mom asking if she recalled any particular things---great question from her. 

 

MJ coming before setting up HS home after her rejection and being broken. Redeeming himself to her. Also his helping DYS and being a decoy and then the LIVE (smart) to get the police to find him--agreed that fans thought his was ASMR. Yike and it was not.  Smart thinking and thank god for technology.

 

Looking forward to the next arcs and last 5 episodes left! 

Gosh what a crazy ride but loving it!

 

Now back to work for me.

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48 minutes ago, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

3) Hyun Soo's missing memories from age 1 -9, I smell a korean drama trope. SUBVERT IT PLEASE!!! 

 

Sorry to cut your post.

 

But now I am desperately hoping they don't use that "they met when they were children" trope. The beginning of Cha Jiwon and Do Hyunsoo's lovestory is already beautiful. Such tropes are not needed here.

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11 minutes ago, -Love Blossom- said:

Sorry to cut your post.

 

But now I am desperately hoping they don't use that "they met when they were children" troupe. The beginning of Cha Jiwon and Do Hyunsoo's lovestory is already beautiful. Such tropes are not needed here.

and @chickenchopflipflop83

I also don't want the "we actually met as children" trope. But that might not be what @chickenchopflipflop83 is talking about, maybe? :) But it's definitely interesting that there is no memory on his part. But it could very well be because something happened and his brain moved the memory, so it won't be too stressful for Hyun Soo.

 

On another note: do we still think Do Hae Soo knows more than she lets on? I don't know... she told Kim Moo Jin she changed as well and I can't forget that.

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@Nodame Thanks chingu. I love your insights too.Keep them coming.

1 hour ago, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

2) Hyun soo's crying on the bridge, its not that i didn't like the scene, it was just that I was quite bothered by it. I think Lee Joon Gi threw all inhibitions out the window and was really going for some ugly crying mid way through. I was a bit bothered by how he was crying like a child, and I was clenching my fists and cringing the whole time because, you know that uncomfortable feeling you have when you watch someone go through something embarrassing and you wished you weren't there to witness it? that was exactly how i felt. However, to a certain extent, i feel it was intentionally done this way to illicit a strong reaction from the viewer. I mean it all ties back with the flashback scene, and how Hyun Soo is infantile and extremely vulnerable when expressing emotions because he doesn't really know how to. It also makes you understand why he has been keeping it all in for all these years and why he was so insistent to claim that he cannot feel anything when the truth is he just didn't know how to deal with it. 

Let me throw my two cents here. I do think your perception of this scene is being influenced by two things. (1) He hasn't had an emotional outburst for 10 episodes so it probably felt 'too much in your face' to you when he finally breaks down in that way. Unlike Ji Won who has crying since episode 5.She has scream cried, she has sobbed silently, angry cried, sometimes even using body gesture. But we have gotten used to it and we understand the message in her tears. (2) there is this notion in society that men can not display uninhibited wailing in public and especially not in front of women because its "unmanly" (I find this ridiculous by the way) and also in general, men are expected to be more restrained in their emotions. I know a few kdrama actors who have been bashed on blogs especially with western audience(dramabeans, koalasplayground etc) like Kim Soo Hyun, Jang Hyuk, LJK etc for "overacting" crying scenes.I think this is where the criticism is coming from. 

 

But you have also pointed out something I agree with(underlined), Do Hyun Soo has the emotional maturity of a 10 year old. Thats where his emotional development was messed with by our dear useless psychiatrist.The one who said he cannot feel emotions:unsure:. If you can recall in episode 5, Eun Ha and Ji won's mum made a call to him right before he met the cabbie driver. That unrestrained child-like crying Eun Ha was doing(some people say they hate kids or dont want to have kids because of this) when she was pleading with her daddy to come home is the same kind of crying DHS was doing on the bridge. 

 

Some BTS commentary from both LJK and MCW said the director is very precise and his directing style is very tight unlike others who are more laisse faire with the actors if there are experienced like in this drama. LJK said in some scenes, the director would encourage him to "take it up a notch".In other scenes the director would ask him to "tone it down". So I think other than the way that scene was acted to fit the drama's narrative as well as elicit the viewer's emotion, it was heavily influenced by the director.In other words, he was in total control. You can see in the consequent scenes like when DHS and CJW entered their home, their crying was subdued and they barely made a sound compared to the bridge. When they had their pillow talk, they were still crying here and there but it was even more subdued just tears no body contact. I noticed with Chae Won as well, every crying scene even when she does it so many times feels different. It doesnt get boring like other dramas when people start hating on the FL for "crying too much" or the melodrama is too weepy. Here everything is balanced. Credit for that goes to both actors and director.

 

Thats just my two cents...I just found your insight interesting and felt compelled to contribute....

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@violina Awww thanks for the kind words.

 

@chickenchopflipflop83 I have to say I have to agree with @violina about the nuanced crying scenes.


Already while draining I am sure for the actors doing it, i concur the feelings evoked for the viewer for each time there is a crying scene you have a different feeling and emotions. I TOO was not BOTHERED how LJK took it up a notch on the bridge. I think it was like that dam that was soooooo full and ready to BURST. The bridge reunion for DYS and CJW was IT!  After he realized JW knew about his real identity and never GAVE up on him and protected him and stood by him. Also both recalling their memories and feelings. Her telling him to GO and flee as she could no longer use his fake identity. But his being upset and wanting to be with JW and go "home." He got the "trust" in him he so desired and wanted from JW. I recall that scene when she asked him after giving her a lovely party at their new home and oyster bossam, he wanted her trust. He would give his life earning and maintaining it.  So for him not being able to express, he FELT it and just did not know what to do . We had glimmers of his awakening awareness of his emotions (when hitting his chest) feeling he could not breathe and having difficulty. The stress, emotions he did now how to explain were overflowing. I thought the crying broke my heart. His dam finally burst. 

 

The person he did not realize he loved the MOST (as he thought did not understand and know love) he did. 

JW was right she FELT his love. He did it with his actions, care , attention trying to make up for his short comings. Like when he waited outside her story when the electrical outage happened. He did not have to do it but he did. His waiting for her with an umbrella and waiting outside her work to pick her up. Those small but meaningful actions. The love was there he just did not know it was in him.

 

So when he CRIED, I cried so much.  The UGLY crying and being so emotional, I think it should be applauded and accepted. I agree men and women should be freely able to express their emotions. I don't like the societal labels that men cannot cry and show emotions. It is to their detriment. Women are luckier to be able to talk out our feelings and get help and show emotions. You wonder how all these men have stress or heart attacks? 

 

We should not stigmatize men for showing their vulnerable sides. We have a long way to go (no matter where we are in the world.) But glad that the director is great in guiding this drama and our lovely actors. 

I was enjoying the clips of this special making episode and BTS. 

 

The scene of them talking at home and in the bedroom was just so right. Thanks JW for your faith in DHS and them being candid and FINALLY open about each other. How she found out the truth and she being able to find out about HIM and his path to her.

 

 

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