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Done watching the Raw. Or is it me dreaming or DHS has a superb healing power? His wound healed in one night! lol. His should have a bruised mark on his wrist too because his strugling to free himself from the the rope tied to the door handle. Or JW done his make up to be presented to her Sunbae.. 

 

From the preview, he turn himself in and cuff by wifey JW. He needs to clarify the charges on him. Free himself from the past and start a new with his own name. 

The Baek is a cray cray family. We will see next week how all happened. Nite again! 

 

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6 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

was listening to this podcast a few months back (where this counselor gives feedback on a reality show) and he said something curious -- apparently many people will say they have never experienced love despite being in serious long term relationships/marriage. basically they don't experience love the way other people do in terms of movies/dramas or feelings as commonly described (flushes, heart beats, giddy etc). so they believe they aren't in love at all. however, they do care a lot about their partner and have a lot of feelings towards them but they will not term it as love. so thats what it reminds me of with hyun su. he could be some sort of high functioning autistic who doesn't understand what his own emotions are telling him unless it is logically cut and dried. so he needs actions to understand the way hae soo explained the meaning of precious. when something is still precious to you and makes you ache years after losing, then it means something -- so basically hyun soo needs a different framework to understand emotions....

Ooooh, I like this a lot, @Lmangla. :D And it makes sense, especially since I also think he was diagnosed wrongly by the psychiatrist back then and therefore wrongly treated. And when Do Hyun Soo never knew what love looks like or how it feels or a completely different idea how love should feel, it makes completely sense that he thinks what he feels for Ji Won isn't love. He was always using the word "need". He "needs Cha Ji Won". It's basically his way of saying he loves Cha Ji Won. We should just ask why he thinks "need" equals "love". Because he must think that only if he needs someone it's love. But need isn't always a good thing. Just like he needed to listen to his mother's voice to be somewhat normal. How healthy can it be? It can be healthy, don't get me wrong. We all have coping mechanisms. But it could potentially be problematic as well.

 

In any case a very interesting topic to talk about.

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13 minutes ago, Jillia said:

Ooooh, I like this a lot, @Lmangla. :D And it makes sense, especially since I also think he was diagnosed wrongly by the psychiatrist back then and therefore wrongly treated. And when Do Hyun Soo never knew what love looks like or how it feels or a completely different idea how love should feel, it makes completely sense that he thinks what he feels for Ji Won isn't love. He was always using the word "need". He "needs Cha Ji Won". It's basically his way of saying he loves Cha Ji Won. We should just ask why he thinks "need" equals "love". Because he must think that only if he needs someone it's love. But need isn't always a good thing. Just like he needed to listen to his mother's voice to be somewhat normal. How healthy can it be? It can be healthy, don't get me wrong. We all have coping mechanisms. But it could potentially be problematic as well.

 

In any case a very interesting topic to talk about.

actually that podcast was really interesting because this word 'love' would cause a lot of conflict and so the counselor has to break it down for the more expressive partner that they have to stop expecting some lofty poetic declarations which are frankly never going to come and see it differently. so he was saying that partners should be wary of pushing their spouse to express something they don't feel and instead read their actions even if it doesn't fit the movie/drama definitions of romantic.

 

so yea, his admission of needing her is really an equivalent of love from his side -- it means that he is willing to admit that he is vulnerable and wants someone to be by his side. even if that means he can't necessarily protect himself. thats why hae soo is able to cut through his shrug and see that he does love ji won in his own way -- it may not be the traditional format of what is expected but he cares more than he knows. he ran like a kid because ji won said meet me in an hour. who runs like that -- does she actually mean that if he doesn't show up in the park within an hour, she would dump him? they are adults and that would be ridiculous but he took her literally and ran like a kiddo and was out of breath. so she had to stop paying attention to empty words and instead look at his actions to see what he was telling.

 

also I don't think this kind of bad reading of emotions is limited to folks like hyun soo. the truth is we all struggle to read people to a certain extent and we misread and misunderstand all the time. and many of us would have a hard time with the question "are you in love?" ... some just struggle more with this than others...

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Here I am again after crying a river ... so I usually use a headset when watching movies, so only listening to these two [ without watching] makes me heart aching so bad   - the narrative controls the emotional engagement so well  that one who doesn't understand Korean will be brought to tears or to the edge of his/her seat.

 

Great episode - so we have our accomplice, but 5 episodes means that a lot of stuff is going to happen and I don't have any idea of how things will work out... I can come up with some scenarios but - gosh - this last ep is so heavy - and we want a happy ending, bad guys to be punished and a couple in real life [hhehheehhe].

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Just watched Ep. 11 raw and am here to say what a phenomenal Ep.15 it was (!!!!!) - I mean, did they leave anything out?! No twist was left unturned in this episode!

 

Loved it.

 

Did not like that they showed ML rescuing FL when she's the one who had come to get him. Did not like the way that whole scene was played out, but whatever, plenty of crying and repenting by ML was good. Did not understand a word of it, but loved all of it.

 

Loved the unexpected kiss. 

 

Loved the big reveal of (is it really a spoiler alert when all of you guessed it was real BHS)? Bravo! The real shocker for me was that the real BHS is supposed to be OLDER than ML!

 

And, the fact that FOE world really really really is a very very small world!!! 

 

With FIVE episodes left, what other campy OTT trope have the writers in store for us?! Nothing will surprise me after this episode! 

 

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So ... I do think the real Hee Seong is the killer -  he was the one in charge of getting rid of the victims - some of them were kidnapped for their organs or some other horror stuff and they were not supposed to get alive after what would had happened to them. On the other hand Do Min Seok was just making some money or did have some weird "hobby" like Michelangelo [ just kidding].

 

He killed Do Min Seok and made it look that he was the killer, he also killed that village man, and now he is trying his luck manipulating his parents.

 

Maybe detective Choi will help them; and the housemaid - she might be the relative of one of the victims or the village man's or she might be the helper of that mafioso.

 

GOOD NIGHT!!! TAKE CARE!!!

 

 

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I feel like do hyun so might not be the real son of do min seok.  He doesnt have any memory beforehand?  Could min seok had kidnapped ? I feel like do hyun so might be another son of baek family?  The maid might have kept secret.  Maybe since he was imperfect baby he could have let go by father..
i think now there will be conflict in do hyun so to choose between sister and wife whom he loves the most.  His wife wants his sister to confess the killing.  Sister is willing to confess but do hyun so wont let her tell the truth. 

just a thought :)

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managed to catch the preview with subs. Seems like from ep 12 to 16, there is a new story arch:
 

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likely hyun soo will be sent to the station to be questioned by detective choi but hae soo confesses and he will be let go. Now Jiwon knows that the sister is the real killer, she feels bad for her husband for having to suffer so much because of what hae soo did. A body is discovered, judging by the fact that they knew the nails were missing, does it mean that its a fresh body (and not jung mi sook? if it is jung mi sook, how can they still see the state of the nails after 18 years in the ground?) Is the real baek hee sung back in action? Most likely ji won and hyun soo will be thrown into a spiral by this as Hyun Soo will now become the number 1 suspect of the new crimes. Ji Won will have to arrest Hyun Soo for this (however, the previews are always deceiving, so i don't know if he will actually end up getting arrested, might be a hallucination). 


also, i am worried about the fact that he doesn't remember what happened to him before the age of 10:
 

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could he have accidentally become an accomplice during that time? why was the father  training him to be familiar with the forest? did he do something, witness his father do something to his mother? anyway his mother went missing in 1997 when he was 12. I was low key guessing that the house maid might be hyun soo's mom, but i guess he should remember her from the 2 years of his memory with his mom. And was it confirmed that his mom died?

 

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It's kind of a bummer this show isn't on Netflix... I wish people could see this drama and know this kind of high-calibre acting, writing and directing. I am just so glad Chae Won picked this up after 2 year hiatus, her acting together with Joon Gi's (and actually, everyone on the show) is a match made in heaven. Even the way their tears fall is soooo heartbreakingly beautiful.

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Just finished episode 11. That was SO satisfying, I wanted that big emotional scene and was not disappointed. LJG suffers beautifully (sounds weird but you know what I mean) and I was pleased to see that particular talent on full display! Their talk about whether or not he loves her confirms exactly what I (and many others here) have been thinking: that of course he loves her, he'd just convinced himself he was incapable of it. Seeing her remind and reassure him that the evidence was in his actions, and him accepting it and telling her those words himself, was perfect. Hard to believe that just a couple months ago we started this show expecting a cold, calculating villain, and have seen those layers slowly peeled back to reveal a complex, wounded, compelling human being.   

 

(And I just have to say, I find Ji Won deeply relatable because I too would risk it all for LJG :lol:)

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Great episode as always. My eyes are all red and puffy because of the phenomenal performances by MCW and LJK. The bridge scene when he finally broke down and begged for her forgiveness was really heart wrenching. I was sobbing loudly the whole time. Maybe even louder than LJK :sweat_smile:

 

Gosh, I’m so glad they didn’t need to separate as I assumed they would. We practically got most of the answers today so I’m a little wary what the writer’s prepared for the rest 5 episodes. I’m not surprised the accomplice was revealed to be BHS as we all suspected him to be. His parents knew about the murders and still covered it up which is just sick. Of course I don’t believe it for a second he didn’t want to do those things, that he was threaten by DMS. I somehow think he’s faking it that he can’t walk in front of his parents.

 

My guess is BHS’s mother knew about his son’s killing and wanted to stop him somehow back then. That’s why he ended up in coma. But 14 years of seeing him in comatose made her heart soft and now her mother’s instinct won over. I still think she will play the crucial part for revealing the whole truth. That’s why we got the scene where she was feeding Eun Ha. Maybe she will be feeling guilty after all seeing her  fake son being wrongfully accused and her fake granddaughter suffering. They might be fake but that doesn’t mean she didn’t develop any attachment to them.

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omg so long since i stepped into this thread, but i had to comment !! Ep 11 was amazing, kudos to LJK & MCW. Was so heart-wrenching to watch! At least Hyun-soo isn't alone this time :) Jiwon loves HS for who he is, regardless of his true identity. I hope they can pull through and start afresh. Also glad to have Haesoo back in his life, and she is willing to stand up for what she has done and not let Hyunsoo take the blame. The only obstacle now is BHS & his creepy family ! Someone please expose this freak?? And what is BHS's affiliation to DMS though? 

 

I really loved the scene when HS when berserk seeing JW getting beaten up. He loves her without himself knowing and he will do whatever it takes to protect his wife from harm. And of course the realization that hits him when he was driving away that JW knew all along, but had not abandoned him!! He must had hurt so bad especially when he thought he will not see JW again (when she ignored his calls)! Thank god JW came back for him. Also love it when they finally had a heart to heart talk and finally facinge the consequences at the end of this episode together. ARGH can only wait til next week for the next episode.

 

SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE THIS DRAMA AND THE CASTS SOME RECOGNITION AT THE AWARD SHOWS PLS 

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I like though how we all started somewhat to feel for Gong Mi Ja when she was with Eun Ha and then we just got thrown back into absolutely disliking, not only her, but Baek Man Woo as well.

:wut:

 

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I can only agree. Let's hope this drama will get some sort of awards. Like PLEASE! :D

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ep 11 was fantastic!

@Jillia ~ I find that hand holding picture really interesting because hyun su looks like a kid standing behind his fierce omma! hahahahha... but in a way, that is part of their emotional mapping because hyun su doesn't have the words or ability to recognize emotion. so he has to be shown in a framework in a way he understands.

 

watching the expressions across his face when he sees ji won walking in with a gun -- there is so much pain because he never wanted her to see him. even at the bridge, there is so much disbelief that she knew and she stood by him. as hyun su, he was rejected in school as well as the community around him. he was labelled and found lacking by those around him because he couldn't express himself the way they do. so he never thought that someone outside his sister would love him even after knowing who he is, that he wouldn't be rejected for being the son of a serial killer, that he wouldn't be automatically hated and feared. so we see him crying away -- must agree with @kehrite that he cries beautifully! hahahhaha... but yea, to find out that he is still loved even with all his baggage was something that he never expected. like how they tie in the tears that eun ha as a baby was expressing -- we cry when we cannot express ourselves and we have no language to convey what we feel, when our emotions overwhelm us and we have no word to identify even how we feel...

 

and all he wants is to go home -- the normalcy that he built over years, the comfort he craved and could never express or recognize. all these years, he had deceived ji won trying to be this man so that she wouln't leave if she knew the truth but she stayed even after the mask is off. so at the heart, this drama is really about a love story -- of finding out what is the meaning of love. what is it that draws someone to another? if we base it off a feeling, then what happens when that feeling no longer exists? is it built over memories and all those small moments? if there is no light bulb moment that tells you that you love, then how do you recognize love? if there is no poetic declaration or confession, would you recognize love if you see it? would you still value it even though it doesn't come with poetry but rather in the mundane moments like him waiting outside the library to walk you home no matter how late it was? ji won had to sort of re-teach herself about what love meant and once she understood it herself, she could sense the warmth and see hyun su in a fresh perspective which also allows him to see himself the way she sees him -- as a normal but flawed human being who is capable of emotional, warmth and goodness.

 

@aisling ~ am looking forward to seeing how baek hee sung's parents reacts. like you said, the pharmacy mom is attached to hyun su as well as eun ha. it is why she got hilariously hysterical when she wasn't allowed into their lives and sees it as her right. there was a scene in the earlier episode where she calls hyun su as hee sung and then has to correct herself in front of her husband and baek hee sung. in her heart and mind, her son in some sense died 16 years ago and in a weird way, hyun su is the perfect son and fit for this crazy family. none of them had hang ups about hyun su's true nature and they were all at ease in some sense even though they didn't trust each other. it was in many ways a good dysfunctional fit that was hilarious to watch. so much so that a part of me wants hyun su to have a happy ending that includes at least this weirdo pharmacy mom. the dad is a psychopath but it was interesting to see how much at ease hyun su and him are around each other as they understand each other's nature perfectly. rather than baek hee sung, think the dad has always been more worried about his position and status. baek hee sung is a real wolf and is playing on their emotions and so it will be interesting to see what happens to them.. am wondering why hyun su has no memory before he was 10 -- what if he was kidnapped/adopted and is the real baek hee sung?!!! ^_^

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