[Drama 2020] Hi bye, Mama!, 하이바이, 마마!

[Larissa Louback]

7 hours ago, Ricardo Lelis said:

I can understand you...  This is my first time watching a Korean Drama and I don't know if there a habit where the lead actress died in the end. I like this drama and I'm waiting for a good moment YR and CG.

 

that’s crazy, I also don’t want to see Yuri leaving us, but this drama has a bittersweet ending, I’m sure of this because I cried in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE. And you know, they’re trying to make it more realistic and, in life, the timing always ruin things up. We just don’t end with the love of our lives 100% of the time and that’s okay, we move on with the pain. I guess this is one of the messages of the drama. But the most important one is that life is great and amazing and you have to experience it with lots of love. That’s the moral of our stories.

[Larissa Louback]

Mad at the complexion of the feeling involved in the drama. Just leave them alone writers 

[Fabbo]

@Josh Marquez  @eiba

 

Yeah honestly i have arrived at the point where i wish Minjung leaves him. But i obviously don't want her to lose her child.

Dream scenario would be Minjung and Yuri move in together and raise Seowoo together. Not sure where that leaves Ganghwa. Maybe he dies sacrificing himself to the grim reaper. 

 

The scenes where Minjung lashes out at Yuri warmed my cynical heart. Or the scene where Yuri sees the reunion of Minjung and Seowoo.

[Larissa Louback]

Can’t wait to cry more with this drama. I must be INSANE.

[Fabbo]

7 hours ago, Larissa Louback said:

GH IS PLAYING BOTH SIDES

 

He should’ve had a more clear conversation with Yuri about her paper as SW mother. Also, he is the husband of MJ, he OWES her truth and love too. He can’t hide behind his traumas anymore because he has SW as a child that urgently needs him and a years longing relationship with a woman that wiped his tears and was PRESENT for him. I know that he is suffering, but SW is the gift that Yuri left to him to cherish and celebrate her own lost life. He isn’t just a widow, he is a father dammit, make in behalf of your daughter, honor Yuri greatest love. Sounds cold, sorry

 

I think a weakness of the drama is that they always seperate this in those backflashes. You either have Gh mourning or you have Seowoo and Ghost Yuri. You never have scenes with GH and Seowoo unless they are with Minjung as part of this 'happy family'.

 

You see GH mourning Yuri, drinking somewhere late at night or sitting at park benches. It feels like he has a lot of free time on his hands. So what is Seowoo doing right now? Is she alone at home crying? Does he have a 24/7 babysitter taking care of her? Did he even care about Seowoo or have a relationship with her before Minjung entered the picture? Or was he too caught up in his grief?

They could combine those aspects. Maybe he puts on a cheerful face when he puts Seowoo to sleep but afterwards his facade breaks down and you have those gloomy scenes with him. Maybe Seowoo even somehow notices that (not sure if she would be old enough)

And then you have Yuri watching the whole situation. How it is shown in the drama you only have Yuri watching him and feeling for him when he is somewhere alone and miserable. But the connection to Seowoo is missing. Because GH's grief does affect her. She probably gets neglected because of it. And how would that make Yuri feel? Maybe she gets angry at GH and yells at him to get his act together, stop drinking and take care of the child.

[Larissa Louback]

17 minutes ago, Fabbo said:

 

 

I think a weakness of the drama is that they always seperate this in those backflashes. You either have Gh mourning or you have Seowoo and Ghost Yuri. You never have scenes with GH and Seowoo unless they are with Minjung as part of this 'happy family'.

 

You see GH mourning Yuri, drinking somewhere late at night or sitting at park benches. It feels like he has a lot of free time on his hands. So what is Seowoo doing right now? Is she alone at home crying? Does he have a 24/7 babysitter taking care of her? Did he even care about Seowoo or have a relationship with her before Minjung entered the picture? Or was he too caught up in his grief?

They could combine those aspects. Maybe he puts on a cheerful face when he puts Seowoo to sleep but afterwards his facade breaks down and you have those gloomy scenes with him. Maybe Seowoo even somehow notices that (not sure if she would be old enough)

And then you have Yuri watching the whole situation. How it is shown in the drama you only have Yuri watching him and feeling for him when he is somewhere alone and miserable. But the connection to Seowoo is missing. Because GH's grief does affect her. She probably gets neglected because of it. And how would that make Yuri feel? Maybe she gets angry at GH and yells at him to get his act together, stop drinking and take care of the child. 

 

 

 

 

Exactly!!! What, in my vision, makes Yuri worst about the life of those she leaves is the lack of support, vivacity, bright feelings, intense emotions and affection!! She deserves better, she deserves to see all of her love footprints. GH just isn’t doing that for SW he can’t leave MJ alone in loving his daughter. That loneliness is a sickness, for all of them. He “moved on” in such a bad way, he isn’t doing it WRIGHT to te the amazing ladies in his life. Not to mention Yuri’s family. It’s on him. I think he will still have this beautiful glow up when it comes to maturity. And of course I will cry a lot seeing his character changing for good. At least I hope he does.

[poopytubby]

1 hour ago, Fabbo said:

I think a weakness of the drama is that they always seperate this in those backflashes. You either have Gh mourning or you have Seowoo and Ghost Yuri. You never have scenes with GH and Seowoo unless they are with Minjung as part of this 'happy family'.

 

I totally agree with this. Honestly, this drama revolves a lot around yuri and the theme of motherly love. though, imo, ganghwa's role as a father IS brought up in the drama, though very very overshadowed by his guilt towards yuri and the women's love for seowoo. like i would assume he asked his in-laws to take care of seowoo while he mourned for yuri, and when he was single for the first 3 years with seowoo he was the one who diligently took care of her and only allowed himself to mourn when seowoo was at the childcare. but still, what was emphasised is him missing yuri. and subsequently after marrying minjung, we basically don't really get any scenes of ganghwa and seowoo anymore save the latest ep where he was so afraid the exorcist would come after seowoo. which, i mean, i get because this drama is mainly about yuri and her love for her daughter, but what's the sense of him fighting to take care of his daughter as a single working dad for 3 years and then not caring about his daughter once he got remarried? it is unfortunate that a father's love is shadowed by a mother's love in this drama, something that also happens with yuri and her parents and not just with ganghwa, yuri, minjung, and seowoo. 

 

i do feel rather defensive about ganghwa cos yes he IS frustrating but also i feel like he doesn't open up about yuri to minjung because a) yuri told him not to, he has expressed multiple times that he wanted to just get everything out in the open, and b) he himself doesn't have the courage to face yuri's death himself, as exemplified by how he completely avoids the operating theatre entirely at the hospital.

 

i feel like he plays off his worries and wounds because he cares about the people around him, a lot more so than he cares about himself, which is a huge mistake because his negligence of himself only hurts the people around him more. they don't want to hear that he's "fine" and everything is "ok" and that he's "sorry" because they love him and if he's feeling hurt or worried or concerned then what they want is for him to depend on them and NOT shut them out. it's so frustrating to watch but i can also understand that the intentions of his actions, although produced shitty results, came from a good place. i'm glad minjung finally called him out for it, yuri as well. they've been terribly considerate of him (as he has of them) and unfortunately that doesn't help him at all. the more they try to protect him, the easier it is for him to pretend like things are still ok. he needs to stop hiding behind this invisible wall he's surrounded himself with and properly, genuinely, start rebuilding his life.

[YuriXGanghwaFan]

13 minutes ago, poopytubby said:

I totally agree with this. Honestly, this drama revolves a lot around yuri and the theme of motherly love. though, imo, ganghwa's role as a father IS brought up in the drama, though very very overshadowed by his guilt towards yuri and the women's love for seowoo. like i would assume he asked his in-laws to take care of seowoo while he mourned for yuri, and when he was single for the first 3 years with seowoo he was the one who diligently took care of her and only allowed himself to mourn when seowoo was at the childcare. but still, what was emphasised is him missing yuri. and subsequently after marrying minjung, we basically don't really get any scenes of ganghwa and seowoo anymore save the latest ep where he was so afraid the exorcist would come after seowoo. which, i mean, i get because this drama is mainly about yuri and her love for her daughter, but what's the sense of him fighting to take care of his daughter as a single working dad for 3 years and then not caring about his daughter once he got remarried? it is unfortunate that a father's love is shadowed by a mother's love in this drama, something that also happens with yuri and her parents and not just with ganghwa, yuri, minjung, and seowoo. 

 

i do feel rather defensive about ganghwa cos yes he IS frustrating but also i feel like he doesn't open up about yuri to minjung because a) yuri told him not to, he has expressed multiple times that he wanted to just get everything out in the open, and b) he himself doesn't have the courage to face yuri's death himself, as exemplified by how he completely avoids the operating theatre entirely at the hospital.

 

i feel like he plays off his worries and wounds because he cares about the people around him, a lot more so than he cares about himself, which is a huge mistake because his negligence of himself only hurts the people around him more. they don't want to hear that he's "fine" and everything is "ok" and that he's "sorry" because they love him and if he's feeling hurt or worried or concerned then what they want is for him to depend on them and NOT shut them out. it's so frustrating to watch but i can also understand that the intentions of his actions, although produced shitty results, came from a good place. i'm glad minjung finally called him out for it, yuri as well. they've been terribly considerate of him (as he has of them) and unfortunately that doesn't help him at all. the more they try to protect him, the easier it is for him to pretend like things are still ok. he needs to stop hiding behind this invisible wall he's surrounded himself with and properly, genuinely, start rebuilding his life.

@poopytubby completely agree with everything you said. I’ve been reading the comments and it seems every body is putting the blame on Ganghwa when all he wanted was to protect the people he love. And the only reason he didn’t tell Minjeong about Yuri is because Yuri asked him not to. It’s been SO hard on him. 

[alleram95]

Preview ep 15

 

 

Hardsub

HJ: She said she needs to get back her previous place so that she can stay alive
KH: You should have asked me why I remarried! YOU should asked me to give back your place!! YOU should have told me that!!!
YR: How about her (MJ)? Are you going to let her go? 
KH: Why should you die? Stay alive
GB (exorcist): When a ghost says that she can let go everything, but then got the chance to get everything she wants, won't she has the desire to have it?
HJ: I'm sorry
YR: I am sorry
MJ: Why are you keep apologizing? If you keep doing that then what should I do?
MJ: It was supposed to be hers  
MJ: I will let you go, Oppa

 

 

Spoiler for ep 14

Spoiler

 

- MJ didn't believe at KH words and asked him to not prank her. But in the end she confirmed herself that it is true the pick-up helper is YR. She heard HJ called YR's name and them entering YR's parents' house

- The reason of KH's trauma is revealed. It's so heartbreaking to see that. Kudos to LKH for his great performance. It must be hard to film that emotional scenes. KTH too did a good job there

- KH overheard HJ and GS conversation and finally knows that YR might died again. He was beyond furious to hear that. At the same time, YR's wishes to stay alive is getting bigger and ask DD if she can stay alive. She wants to be with her loved ones.

 

 

 

[Ricardo Lelis]

6 hours ago, YuriXGanghwaFan said:

@poopytubby  concordo completamente com tudo o que você disse. Eu tenho lido os comentários e parece que todo mundo está culpando Ganghwa quando tudo o que ele queria era proteger as pessoas que ele ama. E a única razão pela qual ele não contou a Minjeong sobre Yuri é porque Yuri pediu para ele não contar. Tem sido tão difícil para ele. 

@YuriXGanghwaFan I agree with you. CG is not to blame for the situation, but even before YR came back to life he was already having trouble resuming his life ... facts like "not being able to operate", "the wife is getting divorced" ... everything the wife says about "YR being a taboo in her life" makes sense when we remember those facts. Even before YR returned, her presence in his life was still very strong ... He didn't even go home on his daughter's birthday because it was the same day of her death. I don't think CG is to blame, but that he hasn't been able to overcome the loss is very strong. I have my doubts about the outcome of losing YR again. I believe that he did not stay with her for reasons of character and did not betray his wife.

[Ricardo Lelis]

I'm in Brazil and I can't watch the 14th episode!!! So anxious!!!!

[gongcha]

another heartbreaking episode... GH's trauma is revealed, when he tells Yuri that she should have lived, i think that if GH did Yuri's operation, he would've saved her instead of the baby. maybe that why we dont see many scenes of GH and SW together

 

[Fabbo]

While i am aware it might come of as edgy i was not kidding when i said:  

 

11 hours ago, Fabbo said:

Unpopular opinion: Ganghwa has zero empathy.

 

He has trouble to understand how other people feel.

 

He can't even comprehend that Yuri might want him to move on and live a fulfilled life with Seowoo. Maybe even build a new family.

Grieving is one thing but for him it's all about the guilt. Does he really think about her or does he think about the perception?

 

And with Minjung he can't comprehend that it might be ok to talk about his past marriage and the biological mom of the child. That she wants him to open up. He is not aware how his closing off effects his marriage and parenthood. And that Minjung maybe doesn't want to be treated so super carefully when it is about issues raising Seowoo. Which is actually a way of not acknowledge Minjung as Seowoo's mom (and Minjung had a great scene where she pointed that out)

 

If we are generous we can say that he just wants to protect the people around him. But i think a lot of it comes from a lack of empathy. Or actually both can be true. But i don't think it's just a small case of misunderstanding and lack of communication. He has this simplistic view of this is how people feel or should feel.

 

 

Btw i got reminded of BTIMFL with the closed door/room analogy. You can actually draw a lot of similarities between the dramas there.

 

 

[Josh Marquez]

Will there be a season 2 or will they end it next week? Cause if next week will be the last then what about the other ghosts? I felt bad for the family actually, what they did to SW was amazing but they just left so abruptly. And what about YR wanting to live again? Are they just gonna fast tracked everything? Hopefully not cause there are a lot of unresolved things. Plus I want YR to live as well cause her dying again would be too much for everyone especially her mom! It’ll be bad for everyone’s mental health (same with the viewers! Lol) i just wish they will give everyone’s story justice and give YR her life back (be it with GW or not). 
 

and as much as i love this drama, i feel so bad for Kim Taehee! She’s freaking beautiful but there’s no episode that she wasn’t crying! Hahahahaha give her a break directornim 

[2good2btru]

I am going to apologize ahead of time but here i go ranting again after watching episode 13... lol

 

It's great that this story doesn't really have any villains, everyone is so nice maybe sometimes a little too nice! For everybody that is supposed to be on Yuri' side because it is her family or friends, it's boggling that they have no expectation to what Yuri should be entitled to.  I understand that MJ stepped up to be the mom while she was not around. Not trying to take that away from her. However it was never Yuri's choice not to be there. She died so it wasn't exactly her choice not to raise her daughter. She now is alive and has the opportunity to be a mother something that was taken away from her. I understand that her daughter now thinks MJ is her mother but that shouldn't take away from the fact that Yuri is her real mother and should be able to be that for her. She shouldn't have to die just so that everybody can live comfortably in their original life before she came back. More than anyone she deserves some time with her daughter and some happiness. She's so busy worrying about everyone and their happiness but never thinks of her own. She put in the sacrifice before and after she died and is so understanding of how they had to move on without her. She chose not to go up just so she can watch her daughter grow up even if it meant watching from a distance and not to be able to be physically there. I am not saying that Yuri should take SW away from MJ but she has as much if not more right to be her mother. 

 

Yes, it may be confusing and it may create chaos in the beginning but isn't the end result worth it? Who wouldn't give anything at another shot at life if it was taken from us. Maybe I am a little selfish for thinking this but why should have to die just so everyone can be back to where they were but she's owed something too. Why is she the one that always has to make a sacrifice?  Everyone may have dealt with grief but she's the one who experienced the most loss. She didn't choose to die or be brought back to life. Is it selfish for her to want to be a mother?  Wouldn't SW benefit so much from reuniting with the mother that was ripped away from her before she was born? It's not as though we don't have these kind of relationships work out right now where the mom, stepmom, and dad raise a child together. It's not uncommon, typical arrangement when mom and dad are no longer together.

 

Also these scenes where YR and/or KW are together and one is crying out or in distraught kill me!  Why can't they comfort each other? It's not cheating to reach out and comfort someone you care about or love. It's natural for one empathetic human to another to want to reach out and give comfort to someone who is in anguish. It's more awkward and a testimony to feelings involved when you cant reach out and comfort someone that you care about because it might come off as though it's more than just comforting.

[joonie]

1 hour ago, gongcha said:

another heartbreaking episode... GH's trauma is revealed, when he tells Yuri that she should have lived, i think that if GH did Yuri's operation, he would've saved her instead of the baby. maybe that why we dont see many scenes of GH and SW together

 

 

i agree with this, i think GH will definitely save YR instead of SW. Me and my friends had this conversation before, and he choose to save his wife then the kids because it will be hard for him to move on when he lose his wife rather than losing an unborn child. 

[Mapleoaks5]

I know this is being selfish, but I really want YR to live and go back to her place as GH wife and SW mom. I feel more convicted after seeing this episode. GH has not truly let go of YR and honestly the love he has for her is on a different level then the love he has for MJ. With MJ it feels more sibling like, and I feel like he caters to her out of politeness rather than love. I’m sure he loves her, but not like he loved YR. That last scene where he was clinging on her, broke my heart. 
 

MJ has always loved GH more, and she always knew she didn’t have all his heart. I feel like if she truly loves him, she will be willing to let him go so he can find his happiness again. Knowing the person she is, I don’t think she could stand knowing that YR would die again because she couldn’t find her rightful place. Honestly, I really feel for MJ, she got the short end of a very crappy stick, but she hasn’t been happy in the marriage for a long time, to the point where she was considering divorce. She deserves a man who will truly love and embrace her whole heartedly, with no reservation. I know that GH will feel mad guilty if this is the end result too, where MJ leaves him so he can be with YR, so I don’t know how to resolve this. Either way, people will be hurt. But I’d rather MJ get hurt and move on with someone who truly loves her then YR dying. 

[lolly84]

Hello everyone! Only one interesting and valid comment that is not mine about this drama:

My prediction for the ending: The title “Hi Bye Mama” is meant for Min Jeong. Seo Woo doesn’t even call Yu Ri as her mom anyway. For her, her mom is Min Jeong and prefers her more than Yu Ri at this point. So Yu ri gets her life back. We can really tell Gang Hwa loves her more than Min Jeong. He isn’t really totally happy with Min Jeong. Min Jeong isn’t completely happy too. It’s better for her to move on and find someone else who can make her completely happy, and have her own child. She will definitely miss Seo Woo but she can still visit her, and make friends with Yu ri. Seo Woo will definitely get sad at first but that’s why they called it “Hi Bye Mama”.

credit to Jeyay, this comment is from youtube preview!

[Ricardo Lelis]

2 hours ago, gongcha said:

another heartbreaking episode... GH's trauma is revealed, when he tells Yuri that she should have lived, i think that if GH did Yuri's operation, he would've saved her instead of the baby. maybe that why we dont see many scenes of GH and SW together

 

The most heartbreaking episode!!! 

[Ameera Ali]

 

 

 

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