[Drama 2020] Elegant Friends/Graceful Friends, 우아한 친구들

[brooksmom]

@Night_Owl  "I guess after realizing that Jae hoon was behind everything, Jung Hae will wait for him with a normal brick in her hand to hit him rather than tofu outside the prison ."

 

Excuse my terminology - it's called a block of Tofu not a brick of Tofu. But I laughed myself to sleep after reading your post.

[Sleepy Owl]

@brooksmom by the way, i think the beach scene they showed in the last episode seems to be the last one where we see our friends spending time together, because now the secrets will start to unfold and we might now start to see their friendship falling apart (especially Goong Chul and Jae Goon). @larus, @joccu What do you think?

[brooksmom]

18 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

@brooksmom by the way, i think the beach scene they showed in the last episode seems to be the last one where we see our friends spending time together, because now the secrets will start to unfold and we might now start to see their friendship falling apart (especially Goong Chul and Jae Goon). @larus, @joccu What do you think?

It's going to take me a day to get back to you. First, I have to look for the beach scene. Do you know about where it is? That would help a lot.

[Sleepy Owl]

19 minutes ago, brooksmom said:

It's going to take me a day to get back to you. First, I have to look for the beach scene. Do you know about where it is? That would help a lot.

Its at the end of 10th episode. Also what do you think about the "Secret" that Man Sik wanted to tell but didn't tell? What could it be? 

[larus]

47 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

by the way, i think the beach scene they showed in the last episode seems to be the last one where we see our friends spending time together, because now the secrets will start to unfold and we might now start to see their friendship falling apart (especially Goong Chul and Jae Goon).

 

I think it is normal for Goong Chul to question his friendship with Jae Goon. It won`t be easy for him when he will find out that his friend was involved with his wife before and he never knew. But what will ruin their friendship will be the revelation that Jae Hoon was the one involved with the incident (if indeed he was involved.) Right now I can`t see how he was not but we never now with this shows.

 

16 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

Also what do you think about the "Secret" that Man Sik wanted to tell but didn't tell? What could it be? 

I thought then that Man sik wanted to tell his friend that he is the one who killed the professor but now, I am not sure. Definetly it is something regarding that old incedent. Probably he wanted to say what he saw. (I assume now).

 

 

[Sleepy Owl]

On 8/11/2020 at 8:48 PM, Night_Owl said:

Well as far as Prof's death is involved, they have pretty much shown the fight between Man Sik and the Prof with him running out. After some episodes I guess in the latest one Jung Hae remembers Man Sik running out of the room and she looking inside seeing Prof dead. Those scenes sort when connected matched and also Man Sik's clothes.  But yeah even I don't think that the case of Prof's death is that simple.

 

Also yes maybe the secret he wanted to tell Goong Chul was about the real murderer, you never know. But if that was the case maybe he would not feel guilty, until or unless he was the one who mistakenly spread those photos of Hae Sook which led to the Prof's wife's suicide and so he felt guilty about it. This sort of makes sense because it involves both Jung Hae and Man Sik. She feels guilty over capturing that photo and Man Sik over spreading them by mistake. If that's the case, I think we match the dots. Chances are that Jae Hoon is the killer and so his family covered up the murder. Also if we see the picture properly, both Man Sik and Jung Hae had the motive kill the Prof and Kang San respectively. His pen was found and her necklace could be in order to incriminate them (not in Jung Hae's case, maybe wanted Goong Chul to believe she did and he take fall for her). 

 

Jae Hoon and Jung Hae might have similar personalities, but what makes difference between them is that Jae Hoon has the ability to fool others quite efficiently. We see him acting as caring friend in front of Goong Chul while he sort of back stabbing at the same time. Examples might include the scene when he called Goong Chul to the hotel telling his wife is there (that sort of made me believe that he is not behind anything) or when he was not willing to give him money while actually that being part of his plan. This guy could be behind a lot of things and the only person who has the actual idea about his personality is Jung Hae. 

 

As for the man beating Kang San, he surely is Jae Hoon. Kang San must have deviated from the actual plan and so got hit. He literally didn't even try to fight back or defend himself. Chances are given Kang San's personality he was trying to make money out blackmailing Jae Hoon too by saying he reveal that he everything as per his plan. Jae Hoon meeting the lawyer sort of means something went in his plan, maybe Jung Hae confessing and taking the fall for her husband. Jae Hoon has been playing 3D chess from the start.

 

Now what I am going to say may sound absurd, but I sort of had my suspicions from the start. What i think is Man Sik's death is also not normal? We see him taking the "Blue Pill" which is the other name for Viagra. Viagra is also prescribed to heart patients as it is reduces risk of heart attacks but in some cases it also does cause the heart attack. Now among friends who is capable of prescribing viagra to Man Sik... it is Jae Hoon. You can see his death led to everything starting from Jae Hoon asking Hae Sook to arrive and also the secret he wanted to tell going to grave with him. I am accepting that this theory might be absurd, but it could also have happened. I am telling you this guy does not care a bit for Goong Chul same might be the case with others. 

 

As for Myung Woo, Kyung Ja and even Chun Bok, i can surely say Myung Woo and Chun Bok are also involved in the past events. Let's not forget the way story is going forward, they are showing that everyone has got secrets and that too dark secrets. So we can wait to see about it. Kyung Ja has got a bar and I guess Jae Hoon kept his meeting there thinking that was the most safest place to talk about things. 

 

 

@larus If you went through this post I sort of believe that Man Sik's death was also not normal and also he pulling out all his policies could have been related to him being blackmailed by Kang San too (we know that guy went after two friends, could have also gone after Man Sik. 

 

On 8/11/2020 at 10:07 PM, Night_Owl said:

Yes exactly, both murders are very much alike. But as for Kang San he had a guy instructing him what to do. And the fact that the case got buried it does prove Jae Hoon's inclusion. We clearly see Jung Hae opening the door and seeing the Prof. dead. 

 

There is also some inconsistency in the timeline of Prof's death. Let's see what has been shown in order. 

 

1. First we see Man Sik fighting with the Prof, threatening him, getting hit and then we see him running him away out the room and then see him running while hiding somewhere near stairs.

2. Then we see Hae Sook coming back to the stage being hit and we Goong Chul getting angry and rushing to the Prof's room. Now I just checked again, when Hae Sook arrived, we see everyone present there but Man Sik is missing. Goong Chul arrives first and now we see all others (including Man Sik) arriving behind him a bit late.

3. Next after some episodes we see Prof harassing Hae Sook and running away.

4. Finally in the 9th episode we Jung Hae remembering Man Sik running away from the Prof's room and she checking and realizing he is dead.

 

Now the actual order of the events might be 3-1-4-2 (Lol looks like a football formation ). But there might be an event missing in between where someone else murdered the Prof. There might be a scene where between 1 and 4. There could a fight between Man Sik and Prof. with him getting hit and hitting the Prof back (not causing injury) and running away in fear. The Prof. gets murdered after that, Man Sik returns back (maybe to get his pen back or some other reason) enters the room, sees the Prof. dead and runs away in fear and hides believing he'll get the blame. Then hears his friends calling Goong Chul and goes with them to the Prof's room. If we see that scene two people seem less shocked, Hae Joon and Man Sik.

 

Also when Jung Hae enters the room, we don't see the ball pen, so someone clearly put that pen in order to frame Man Sik (also Jung Hae being the witness seeing Man Sik running away). And When Jung Hae enters the room, the Prof's hand was on his head and when the friends arrive his right hand was down (could argue that when Jung Hae he was alive and trying to hold his head which i highly doubt). But just like Kang San's death someone did alter the crime scene.

 

So I firmly believe that the Prof's death is not as simple as it seems. Also it is just speculation that Jae Hoon was not executing plan before Man Sik's death but we cannot ignore that his plan actually started just after his death (initialization did take place before that). 

 

Also I sort of tried to do a detailed analysis of Prof's death based on all the scenes they have shown. Please do point out if i left something out. 

[larus]

16 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

If you went through this post I sort of believe that Man Sik's death was also not normal and also he pulling out all his policies could have been related to him being blackmailed by Kang San too (we know that guy went after two friends, could have also gone after Man Sik. 

 

 Yes, the blue pill could lead to heart attack but I never thought that jae Hoon deliberatly gave him knowing that. I don`t know if he had previous heart problems. Interesting theory. It is plausible if Man Sik wanted to tell everyone what he saw (Jae Hoon?) and Jae hoon did not want that.

 

20 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

Also I sort of tried to do a detailed analysis of Prof's death based on all the scenes they have shown. Please do point out if i left something out. 

I kind of lost track of what really happened. I don`t have time to rewatch so nice that you gave us a  recap with what we know so far. Little by little, Jae Hoon is becoming number one of that old incident as well.

 

[Sleepy Owl]

Just now, larus said:

 

 Yes, the blue pill could lead to heart attack but I never thought that jae Hoon deliberatly gave him knowing that. I don`t know if he had previous heart problems. Interesting theory. It is plausible if Man Sik wanted to tell everyone what he saw (Jae Hoon?) and Jae hoon did not want that.

 

I kind of lost track of what really happened. I don`t have time to rewatch so nice that you gave us a  recap with what we know so far. Little by little, Jae Hoon is becoming number one of that old incident as well.

 

I actually find it quite unusual that Man Sik's death onward Jae Hoon's plan started. Had put Kang San behind Jung Hae a couple of days before his death, but it was his death which Jae Hoon used for Hae Sook to arrive. Of course we could be over-complicating things, but there are chances that when Man Sik told Goong Chul he wanted to tell him a secret, Jae Hoon could have been eavesdropping them, which led him to take extreme measures. But yeah once again, we could be over-thinking things. I sort of did the same for misty and the murder ended up being somewhat a straightforward one. 

 

I think that's the only reason because Jae Hoon start his plan, otherwise I don't really understand why he had to wait for 15 years to do so. He could have acted much before when Jung Hae and Goong Chul's relationship was still fresh and much easier to be broken. What I like about his drama up until now is the number mysteries they left untold (I hope they do give answers for all). 

[brooksmom]

I looked to see who is online in the forum. I see names like cinnamon roll, cupcake, pizza.  I'm getting hungry now.

 

@Night_Owl Sorry. I had a headache and had to take a nap. Soon as I woke up, I remembered the ep on the beach. Can't really tell if that's their last time being together. They are all together and happy.  And now the guys hit the beach again to capture happy moments.

 

Another point about Man-sik. He could have had a fight and struggled with the professor and lost his pen. Then he goes back to retrieve it and walks in on a bloody mess. Too shocked, he forgets the pen. Then again who had the pen last. Him or Goon chul. 

 

I still can't understand how people in this drama get from point A to point B.  For example: When Goong chul rans out of Jae Hoon place and the guys ran after him to Kang san's place.  Why did the detective say that it took 10 min for the other three to catch up to Goong chul. Did it take 10 min to find Kang san's place once they got there.

[Sleepy Owl]

On 8/13/2020 at 11:39 PM, brooksmom said:

I looked to see who is online in the forum. I see names like cinnamon roll, cupcake, pizza.  I'm getting hungry now.

 

@Night_Owl Sorry. I had a headache and had to take a nap. Soon as I woke up, I remembered the ep on the beach. Can't really tell if that's their last time being together. They are all together and happy.  And now the guys hit the beach again to capture happy moments.

 

Another point about Man-sik. He could have had a fight and struggled with the professor and lost his pen. Then he goes back to retrieve it and walks in on a bloody mess. Too shocked, he forgets the pen. Then again who had the pen last. Him or Goon chul. 

 

I still can't understand how people in this drama get from point A to point B.  For example: When Goong chul ran out of Jae Hoon place and the guys ran after him to Kang san's place.  Why did the detective say that it took 10 min for the other three to catch up to Goong chul. Did it take 10 min to find Kang san's place once they got there.

 

Certain names do get u hungry even when you are full .

 

As for Man Sik's pen, in my analysis above I have written that when we see Jung Hae entering the Prof's room after Man Sik runs from the room, we see that the Prof was in another position, pen was clearly missing from under that table or sofa (whatever it was) and there was enough blood to prove that it had been flowing for some moments now. 

 

People getting from point A to point B is basically what makes everything confusing and is being done intentionally. Now one thing is for sure that Kang San's building was away enough for Jung Hae travel there on car. So maybe others reaching later that Goong Chul could have happened with them finding cab late and trying to find which building he went in. But yeah if we could understand at what time Goong Chul got the call/message and when he reached Kang San's flat we can figure out certain things about murder. 

 

One thing is for sure that when Myung Woo came to his flat at 7:30 pm, the laptop and possibly Kang San's second mobile was already missing. And we know that the murder took place between 8-10 pm so most probably when Myung Woo entered the flat, murderer was already there waiting for Kang San. 

 

Also as for beach scene being their last happy moment together, because certainly Goong Chul will be getting ideas about Jae Hoon and Jung Hae's past relation. In the ep 9th or 10th preview we also hear Goong Chul asking Jae Hoon that "did he kill Kang San?" and he replies "Wasn't it you who killed him or was it Myung Woo?"So I believe that things are gonna go downhill for the friends and not to forget our poor Chun Bok's dimentia. 

 

Now that since we'll be getting episode tomorrow, what are the chances that Hae Sook drugged Goong Chul for him to sleep with her? Just like Jung Hae's case. We know that Hae Sook partnering with Jae Hoon will not result in them playing fair, they gonna play it dirty. Jung Hae and Jae Hoon's scene could also be misleading and maybe she would want to discuss certain things with him privately. Much like threatening him not to mess with her marriage. Just Maybe.

 

So maybe we could guess and see how correct they were in the coming episodes. @joccu, @Samuel Yohanes, @larus, @brooksmom and @airgelaal. What do you think? Will Jung Hae cheat on Goong Chul with Jae Hoon or they are meeting for something else? Also does Goong Chul willfully cheat on Jung Hae by kissing Hae Sook (and probably sleeping with her) or does Hae Sook use some tricks on him to do it?

 

Also now that Viu's gonna stream episodes too, do we get the subbed faster or not?

 

 

Edited August 14, 2020 by MinLyn
A gentle reminder not to quote images, gifs (including reaction gifs) and videos in your posts. Thanks.

[brooksmom]

@Night_Owl  I really was hungry. I think this little group here that you tagged lives the total opposite of where I live. I live in Oregon USA. It's no secret all my family and friends know I watch kdramas, Chinese, Taiwanese, etc. We don't have Viu here that I've seen. It's OKD for this dramas.  Is @joccu really from Finland?  I can guess somebody doesn't live where I live when they call a dwelling complex a flat. We call it apartment(s) here. Or when they call somebody a bloc. I need to watch more British dramas.

 

@Night_Owl "Also as for beach scene being their last happy moment together, because certainly Goong Chul will be getting ideas about Jae Hoon and Jung Hae's past relation. In the ep 9th or 10th preview we also hear Goong Chul asking Jae Hoon that "did he kill Kang San?" and he replies "Wasn't it you who killed him or was it Myung Woo?"So I believe that things are gonna go downhill for the friends and not to forget our poor Chun Bok's dimentia."

 

Geez, I don't remember this scene. What ep.?  I'm also watching other mystery who done it dramas. It gets confusing at times.

 

The kissing ep.  The only thing I do remember, if it matters; is that Goong chul was on all fours on the bed in his uniform days and also 2019 in the preview. Goong chul wasn't on all fours when he pounced on his wife in ep 1 or 2. 

 

I'll have to look at the pen scene once again before the next eps start.

 

post script: I think @Night_Owl  doesn't sleep

 

 

 

[Sleepy Owl]

7 minutes ago, brooksmom said:

Geez, I don't remember this scene. What ep.?  I'm also watching other mystery who done it dramas. It gets confusing at times.

 

The kissing ep.  The only thing I do remember, if it matters; is that Goong chul was on all fours on the bed in his uniform days and also 2019 in the preview. Goong chul wasn't on all fours when he pounced on his wife in ep 1 or 2. 

 

I'll have to look at the pen scene once again before the next eps start.

 

post script: I think @Night_Owl  doesn't sleep

 

As for the scene when Goong Chul asks Jae Hoon "whether he killed Kang San" has been shown yet. The previews shown in this drama have scenes from 2-3 episodes so we'll most probably be seeing that scene in the coming episode. 

 

Also as for the kissing scene i really didn't get what you wanted to say, maybe you can explain that better. 

 

PS: I do sleep, its just that I live in a place totally opposite of where you live, I live in India so there's like 11-12 hours difference which sort of makes it look like I don't sleep. 

[airgelaal]

And what do you think about Choon-Bok? It seams, that he is ok. I mean without problems from outside. 

And why do you think Jae Hoon installed cameras it he lives alone?

[brooksmom]

@airgelaal "And why do you think Jae Hoon installed cameras it he lives alone?"

 

Beats me. Maybe besides being obsessive compulsive, he's paranoid too. In case someone is spying on him or going thru his things, he'll know for sure. It's also is a deterrent, since they  are so obviously there for anyone to see. Someone found his secret room. I'm sure one of those cameras captured it. Someone is in trouble or danger.

 

@Night_Owl "So maybe we could guess and see how correct they were in the coming episodes. @joccu, @Samuel Yohanes, @larus, @brooksmom and @airgelaal. What do you think? Will Jung Hae cheat on Goong Chul with Jae Hoon or they are meeting for something else? Also does Goong Chul willfully cheat on Jung Hae by kissing Hae Sook (and probably sleeping with her) or does Hae Sook use some tricks on him to do it?"

 

I am really in denial about that. Don't want to see that happen. I hate cheaters more than any thing.  So, I don't want to borrow misery before and if it happens. We'll see Friday.

 

[joccu]

@brooksmom Yeah I live in Finland. Western finland in a place called Naantali.

 

@Night_Owl I think thatJH will not cheat on GC. Yes she has secrets and has done stuff in the past. But she does love her husband.

GC is different matter. He does love her wife but does he trust her I do not know. I honestly don´t know how he feels about HS.

 

GC and JH friendship is going to be over I think when all the secrets will come out.

[Sleepy Owl]

9 hours ago, airgelaal said:

And what do you think about Choon-Bok? It seams, that he is ok. I mean without problems from outside. 

And why do you think Jae Hoon installed cameras it he lives alone?

Our Choon Bok has got dementia and a few years to live. He does seem to have problems from outside too, has got a kid, not much money in his account and about to be fired by his company. Not to forget he did cause some problems at his company. Also I strongly believe that both Myung Woo and Choon Bok also have got some dark secret which might also be related to the Prof's murder. The way this drama is being portrayed, we are getting to know everyone has got some dark secrets and I don't think Choon Bok and Myung Woo are exceptions. 

 

As for Jae Hoon, that guy is paranoid and not to forget has got a secret room with a laptop that contains photos of Jung Hae and also Myung Woo's photos which Kang San took to blackmail and might also contain some more photos about which we don't know yet. Also if that guy is the murderer, chances are he has hidden the trophy which was used to murder Kang San in his house too. So there are surely things he is worried about being found by others. The more you look at it the more this guy seems suspicious to me. 

 

9 hours ago, joccu said:

@brooksmom Yeah I live in Finland. Western finland in a place called Naantali.

 

@Night_Owl I think thatJH will not cheat on GC. Yes she has secrets and has done stuff in the past. But she does love her husband.

GC is different matter. He does love her wife but does he trust her I do not know. I honestly don´t know how he feels about HS.

 

GC and JH friendship is going to be over I think when all the secrets will come out.

I do also strongly believe that Jung Hae will not be cheating and that too with Jae Hoon, seems hard to believe. And we might see her try to protect her marriage by all means, chances are that she'll also at least get some ideas that Jae Hoon and Hae Sook are working in this together or maybe she already has figured that out. 

 

As for Goong Chul, yes he does look to be falling for their plans. In my opinion he should have drawn a line when he knew that his wife feels uneasy with him meeting his ex. He is a likable guy, but I believe he somewhat neglected his wife in later episodes. I mean she has gone through an extremely traumatizing experience and makes sense that she is sensitive of things and still you go end up going back to that cafe, does not feel right to me. At the same time he should be knowing that Jung Hae knew that they dated before and feels uneasy with them meeting. I really loved how Kyung Ja crashed that party in Hae Sook's cafe on the opening day. 

[larus]

14 hours ago, Night_Owl said:

What do you think? Will Jung Hae cheat on Goong Chul with Jae Hoon or they are meeting for something else? Also does Goong Chul willfully cheat on Jung Hae by kissing Hae Sook (and probably sleeping with her) or does Hae Sook use some tricks on him to do it?

 

I did not see the preview but I will say my opinion.

I believe neither of them will cheat. I don`t see why Jung Hae will sleep with Jae hoon after so many years. If he will tell Goong chul about their relationship, he will have more to lose. He will bring suspicious on him. So far nobody made a connection between him and Kang san yet.

About Goong Chul. I can see him kissing Hae sook but it won`t be more than that. I don`t blame him too much. Knowing his personality, he is easy influenced by emotions (I don`t know the circumstances but she can manipulate him a little). Maybe he will find out about her illness, maybe they will reconect a moment after  some memories from the past, maybe he will have some doubts about his wife. I already said it that from all the wives, Jung Hae was the only one who could have some insecurities/ jelousy about the appearence of Hae Sook. Her husband did not have just a crush back then. Goong Chul and Hae sook had a romantic relationship. But just like I see Goong Chul reacting on an impulse, he is  the man who is doing the right thing. He will stop with just a kiss because he really loves his wife.

 

 

[Samuel Yohanes]

GUYS THE KISS IS HAPPENING FOR JUNG HAE JAEHYUN AND HAESOOK GONGCHUL

 

BUT TWO HAD DIFFERENT REACTION

 

GONGCHUL CONTINUE THE KISS WITH HAE SOOK 

 

WHILE JUNGHAE GOT AWAY FROM THE KISS 

 

DAMN WE GOT AN EPISODE RIGHT HERE!!

 

 

[Sleepy Owl]

1 minute ago, Samuel Yohanes said:

GUYS THE KISS IS HAPPENING FOR JUNG HAE JAEHYUN AND HAESOOK GONGCHUL

 

BUT TWO HAD DIFFERENT REACTION

 

GONGCHUL CONTINUE THE KISS WITH HAE SOOK 

 

WHILE JUNGHAE GOT AWAY FROM THE KISS 

 

DAMN WE GOT AN EPISODE RIGHT HERE!!

 

 

Do you mean Jae Hoon tried to forcefully kiss her? Any idea why they met in the hotel?

[Samuel Yohanes]

5 minutes ago, Night_Owl said:

Do you mean Jae Hoon tried to forcefully kiss her? Any idea why they met in the hotel?

I watch from the clip at their youtube. I hadnt watch it yet because no sub and i am waiting iqiyi to watch full.

 

Dont really know how they got there