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@dramafan33 @Prettysup To me, it was clear that OHJ went to I Su's grave because he put the ring on his finger. All this time, he didn't dare to have his wedding ring on his finger because he felt guilty for I Su's death. After the confrontation, it changed. OHJ's pain has lessened as he was forced to admit himself that he did his best to save her. He can now feel reconnected to I Su and he can face her hence he wants to see her grave or her ashes. 

 

I really liked the confrontation between KYH and OHJ. The serial killer not only saw in OHJ a kindred spirit but wanted to "blame" him for becoming a serial killer. He was the one who said that killers just follow their instincts. They are born so. And in my opinion, KYH was somehow tormented. Why? There are many clues for this conclusion:

- The question he asked the profiler as a child

The way he tormented people before killing them. He forced them to name a person who would be killed and claimed that they were the responsible ones for their death. However, deep down he felt the urge to kill. He tried to legitimate his own actions by using forced confession.

- The fact that he always tried to use others for murders. His childhood friends are the best examples... but also Hwang and OHJ. Notice that during their confrontation, KYH blamed the profiler for his fiance's death. He always put the blame on them. It was as if he was washing his hands on others.

- Then he told Hwang that deep down, everyone wants to kill someone as they are greedy.  And if everyone feels the same (the urge to kill), then KYH is not different from the others. That's why his nickname was The Guy. He wants to be "normal", while on the other hand he doesn't try to control his "urges". His need of normality was mentioned many times.

This would explain why he has an altar in his hideout. He has definitely been influenced by his parents. He has somehow seen how shocked his parents were... and all his actions remind me of a "priest" (last confession, an altar, the friends as trinity, the doll as a new version of "Virgo Mary")... He created his own religion and world where he can kill others as he is acting like a priest: forcing people to admit their sins (greed...).

 

 

 

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Sparkly...:D

 

 

 

I just like this pic...:)

 

 

 

 

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More finale pics by OCN after I left them a comment lol

 

 

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I dont understand why romance is banned in OCN drama.

 

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They both were extraordinary in this scene...

 

 

 

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Can't believe this show has come to an end. I will miss it especially OHJ and CSY their interactions.

I like the part where OHJ asked SY what she saw after that ordeal with the Guy and she said it's the 'Will'. One is not born good or  evil but it's one's willingness to become good or bad. When OHJ asked the Guy who he wants to kill while he was strangling him, the guy resisted and finally said Kim Yo Han. That was his real name the name his father gave him. KYH was the evil part of him. I think he has always struggled to find his real self. It also explains why he uses others to do his killings. A part of him wants to be the normal guy Kang Dong Sik.

I'm satisfied with the ending. It looks to me like there could be season 2.

 

Thank you to everyone on this thread for your insights. Hoping to see you all in another thread. I reckon Rugal will replace TMWYS in this time slot. Will see how it goes. 

Till we meet again stay safe from Corona-virus.

 

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I really love these subtle movements. It feels like he speaks a thousand words without moving his mouth or showing any emotions...He is one good expressor.

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Can i also say...This angle is pretty weird

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Like who she smiling too lol.

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@Ameera Ali I loved that
 

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the security guard was a victim’s father also seeking justice/revenge. That was a nice detail. 
 

I have a complaint though! I know I need to accept it but why was OHJ so strong!!! He got stabbed or at least cut and then he was walking like nothing!!! 

 

 

@bebebisous33 Hi, do you think OHJ was forced to admit he did his best to save Isu or was he forced to face the fact that he wasted time pursuing the killer instead of going directly to save her? Was he really in denial of this fact or is this just KYH manipulating even me? Lol 

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33 minutes ago, Ameera Ali said:

 

Oppa

Here we again :D carrying entire team as usual 

** @phoenix24 oppa so nice you would think he would drag him by the leg all way up :D

Hihi, he's protecting innocent public out there from being traumatize.  Torture more for private.  Oppa is nice he bow back to elder too.

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13 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

@Ameera Ali I loved that
 

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@bebebisous33 Hi, do you think OHJ was forced to admit he did his best to save Isu or was he forced to face the fact that he wasted time pursuing the killer instead of going directly to save her? Was he really in denial of this fact or is this just KYH manipulating even me? Lol 

That's KYH manipulating him... KYH was actually acting as the devil's voice, that's why while hearing his reproach, he remembered his action and realized that I Su never showed any sign of hatred, resent or disappointment.

 

And the thing is that while Hwang said I Su, she was thinking of a loved one, whereas KYH mentioned his own name, it was hatred. Remember that OHJ questioned during the interview if hatred or love was the trigger for mentioning a name... For the serial killer, he always saw it as a sign of hatred... while Hwang was remembering in the last moment before suffocating the person she really loved! Hence for KYH, Hwang must have named her out of jealousy and greed and misunderstood her action. That's why Hwang felt so guilty... 

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29 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

I have a complaint though! I know I need to accept it but why was OHJ so strong!!! He got stabbed or at least cut and then he was walking like nothing!!!

He doesn’t feel pain. When a soul is empty, it will not feel pain. Because there are other things that is hurting so bad till the fact that he can’t feel the wound. It might bring comfort who knows.

 

29 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

Was he really in denial of this fact or is this just KYH manipulating even me? Lol 

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Love to answer this. I feel like he is indeed in denial, because at that point he was in the middle of the scene, he was deciding on whether to chase the guy or not, it’s that small amount of decisiveness is what caused it all. Had he went for her immediately things could have been different. Of cause..natural instinct, he blame the guy for killing her. It’s human vs nature in this case. So the guy is pretty correct.

 

At the same time, KYH could be lying. Who knows? But I would say it’s true, because if it’s fake OHJ wouldn’t have those reflections of isu.

 

100% up to you to decide, they have both right and wrong factors.

 

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23 minutes ago, dramafan33 said:

@Ameera Ali I loved that
 

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the security guard was a victim’s father also seeking justice/revenge. That was a nice detail. 
 

I have a complaint though! I know I need to accept it but why was OHJ so strong!!! He got stabbed or at least cut and then he was walking like nothing!!! 

 

 

So how did KYH go into the hideout when the guard is there ?

 

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12 minutes ago, Sushimi said:

He doesn’t feel pain. When a soul is empty, it will not feel pain. Because there are other things that is hurting so bad till the fact that he can’t feel the wound. It might bring comfort who knows.

 

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Love to answer this. I feel like he is indeed in denial, because at that point he was in the middle of the scene, he was deciding on whether to chase the guy or not, it’s that small amount of decisiveness is what caused it all. Had he went for her immediately things could have been different. Of cause..natural instinct, he blame the guy for killing her. It’s human vs nature in this case. So the guy is pretty correct.

 

At the same time, KYH could be lying. Who knows? But I would say it’s true, because if it’s fake OHJ wouldn’t have those reflections of isu.

 

100% up to you to decide, they have both right and wrong factors.

 

Well KYH said they were alike in not feeling pain and fear.  This makes sense too especially if he was prepare to die after kill KYH.

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22 minutes ago, phoenix24 said:

Well KYH said they were alike in not feeling pain and fear.  This makes sense too especially if he was prepare to die after kill KYH.

I just wonder was there a possibility in which they were once in the same situation whereby they have to admit their fears? 
 

Anyways...we can’t know too:lol:no point wondering :lol:

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Finished watching.

Oppa very cool, handsome, beautiful and strong. Saved a  girl. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Cha Soo Young believed in oppa until the very end (I woudn't).

Amazing acting.

I would like to add - @Biology Lesson, sadly, my hopes for more character development-  some back story perhaps  -were unfulfilled .

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@bebebisous33 Since The Guy lost his voice he indeed sounded like The Devil whispering into OHJs ear (he also reminded me of Gollum from LOTR)

 

Now that I read your and @Sushimi ‘s take on this scene I think both are possible (he felt guilty AND he tried to save her, so, confronting this, was part of his journey towards “healing”) 

 

My take is, deep down OHJ has always felt guilty about his moment of hesitation, there’s fear in his eyes when he remembers Isu’s last moments like, what is she thinking? Is she disappointed? Did I abandon her? Is she blaming me? Was it my fault? are multiple thoughts that are in his head, therefore the devil’s whispers ring “true” and unsettle him. He is only verbalizing what he has always felt

 

And yeah maybe he was trying to protect himself trying to point at the other “culprits” and factors

 

It’s not that he “killed her” but his split second choice, could’ve made a difference and that tiny possibility is enough to fill a person with overwhelming guilt (same thing that happened with Hwang) If he didn’t feel guilty, the devil’s whisper would have no impact

 

OTOH it is not a lie that he did do his best to save her, and was even willing, maybe hoping, to die with her. 
 

However, guilt, in my experience is not something you can shake off, not even rationalizing and justifying your actions, it remains there for the devil to poke at because even with our best intentions we, as humans, are bound to make split second choices that may haunt us forever. Those choices have consequences and when the consequences of our actions (or lack of action) are negative, it forces us to question everything about ourselves. It’s sometimes impossible to let go of the guilt and regret. But you can learn to live with that “scar”, and maybe, hopefully learn from it. Not make the same “mistake” again. 
 

This, btw, is regardless of wether you are objectively “guilty” or fully responsible for something. I’m referring about the “feeling” of remorse and guilt and not making a judgement of whether he could’ve realistically made a difference had he chosen to save Isu first. 
 

P.S I think Hwang did have a split second of jealousy towards Isu. I think that is the source of her overwhelming guilt. Yes, she loved her friend but she did say to a taxi driver after having a few drinks “She had everything I didn’t” 

 

 

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1 hour ago, corey said:

Finished watching.

Oppa very cool, handsome, beautiful and strong. Saved a  girl. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Cha Soo Young believed in oppa until the very end (I woudn't).

Amazing acting.

I would like to add - @Biology Lesson, sadly, my hopes for more character development-  some back story perhaps  -were unfulfilled

I agree with you. I think reading what JH said about the show, he also agrees with you. The funny thing is that he took it on himself- saying that he didn't work hard enough... Didn't work hard enough?! How much harder can this guy work!?

There are lot of things that we could nit pick, a lot of things that we can say could have been done better and more satisfying to us. But it's done. This is what we got. And I am pleased with it, considering that this could have been another Voice. And I can tell you that Voice- I despised! I hated that show. This show, I actually liked. What amazes me is that I'm seeing comments online of people saying that this show wasn't the best, but Voice was the best show ever! These people- I can't understand...

I will say something that JH never will. This director and writer? He is not very good. He doesn't seem to have the ability to create anything deep and thoughtful. Frantic and exciting? Yes. But sadly, mostly empty. Remember that when he was asked what was the difference between this show and Voice, he actually couldn't articulate it. It was JH that had the answer. But the thing is that when JH takes on a project, it's not necessarily about the project itself. It's more about forming a working relationship. And this is something that I think JH has established. What I hope is that for the next project, if there will be one, JH will be able to be more involved in the development and writing stage (maybe that was the "harder work" that he was talking about...) and maybe together they will develop something that is more satisfying for us all...

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@Biology Lesson Someone correct me if I’m wrong but it is my understanding that the PD of Voice did not direct TMWYS, he is credited as “creator” but he is not the PD on field neither is he the writer. Also the writer of TMWYS is not the same writer of Voice


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